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A plan so cunning you could stamp MAGA on it and leak it to the Russians

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Turnips - an essential ingredient of cunning plans
Turnips – an essential ingredient of cunning plans

According to Erick Erickson, the latest White House doo-doo douche is all part of a cunning plan. (Thanks to Cleek for the heads up.)

“I know one of the sources,” Erickson writes. “And the source is solidly supportive of President Trump, or at least has been and was during Campaign 2016.”

So why would a Trump supporter leak a damaging story about the president to multiple news organizations? According to Erickson, it’s the only way to get Trump to change his behavior.

Change his behavior from what? Burning shit down in order to whine that he has the right to burn shit down if he wants? #UNFAIR.

But only after his lackeys vehemently deny that he burned shit down.

“The President will not take any internal criticism, no matter how politely it is given,” Erickson explains. “He does not want advice, cannot be corrected, and is too insecure to see any constructive feedback as anything other than an attack.

These traits are glaringly evident and inappropriate for a president. However, this is what Republicans wanted in the White House.

And how was leaking the leak to the press supposed the work? Brace yourself for the cunning bit:

So some of the sources are left with no other option but to go to the media, leak the story, and hope that the intense blowback gives the President a swift kick in the butt.”

Intense blowback in the form of: What he calls #FakeNews, his staff trying to cover for him, Republicans in Congress again confirming He can do anything he wants and a day ending in Y.

Frankly, a leak to expose wrong-doing makes sense. A leak as a stealth intervention does not. But if the jackasses around tRump want to hurt him with love, they should have at it.

Related: Israel is the answer to the question Whose classified information was it anyway?

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  • humanoid.panda

    So, I am not sure I get this post: isn’t what Erickson describing the basic logic of whistleblowing? Sure, it probably won’t work under Trump, but what else anyone with an ounce with rationality can do, when poisoning him is logistically impossible, and resignation means he might replace you with Alex Jones?

    As for Israel: the entire nation was cheering for Trump. Never has the schadenfreude of the 20% rational Israelis more sweet..

    • It’s true. You don’t.

      • Grumpy

        Seconding humanoid.panda’s confusion. Can you please explain? That does seem like one of the plausible reasons for these leaks, and it’s been floated as a motivation in the past.

        • Hogan

          “The President will not take any internal criticism, no matter how politely it is given,”

          The word “internal” there is misleading–he won’t take any criticism, internal, external, or liminal. The idea that he can be motivated to change his behavior by ATTACKS IN THE PRESS would make sense only to someone who has spent at least the last two years blind, deaf, and living in a cave on Mars without internet access.

          • humanoid.panda

            Sure, it probably not going to work, but again: if you had a modicum of rationality and was working on National Security Council, what other options you have?

            • Hogan

              Not tell people your cunning plan?

              • tsam

                It’s like they’ve never seen a James Bond movie.

                • so-in-so

                  No, they’ve seen all of them; the part where the bad guy thinks he has Bond and proceeds to tell him all the plans, before Bond escapes from the bad guy’s “cunning” trap.

            • efgoldman

              what other options you have?

              Resign, and make a public statement of the reasons.

              Hahahahaha I slay me.

        • Vance Maverick

          It’s as if we found ourselves in a truck careening out of control, and tried to get the driver’s attention by randomly swerving the wheel. That is, I understand the psychology of the story, but it doesn’t seem wise.

          • humanoid.panda

            I’d say that if the truck is careening out of control, while the driver is asleep, seizing the wheel might give you a slim chance of survival, while not seizing it means certain death..

            • tsam

              You’d likely have to pry that wheel out of the driver’s cold, dead hands. Don’t forget who likes you not to forget who’s in charge here.

          • cleek

            more like: the driver was too busy jerking off to drive so we called the cops from the passenger’s seat.

          • njorl

            More like tuning the radio to a talk-radio station, turning up the volume, and calling in to talk about the out of control truck.

        • It’s only plausible if one assumes tRump is rational, which is clearly not the case. In fact, the Leaker said he isn’t rational.

      • Chetsky

        Shakezula,

        I think you’re describing something like:

        A: This is insane! We must do something!
        B: I have an idea! It can’t possible work, but it’s something!
        A&B: Let’s do it!

        They’re just as terrified as we are. I guess they figure it’s bad either way (if they lose and Dems get power, they’re f*cked; if Poop Midas nukes the world, they’re f*cked). So why not roll the dice?

        Moral imbeciles.

        ETA: Think you’re also saying this -isn’t- the logic of whistleblowing, and I gotta agree. There is -no- sense in which this is about the public good, or informing the public, or anything. It’s about trying to steer their out-of-control madman, while still keeping him in the driver’s seat.

        • humanoid.panda

          ETA: Think you’re also saying this -isn’t- the logic of whistleblowing, and I gotta agree. There is -no- sense in which this is about the public good, or informing the public, or anything. It’s about trying to steer their out-of-control madman, while still keeping him in the driver’s seat.

          Since we are talking about staffers, they have no legal recourse to remove the madman. Which leaves them with 2 options: either resign (and thus risk their positions to go to people unbothered by any of this) or leak. Hard to see how these leaks are not in the public interest.

          • The assumption that Leaker X is acting from some sort of noble motive is unsupported.

            It could just as easily be they realize that tRump’s fuck ups make it very difficult to enact the GOP’s shitty agenda.

            • LosGatosCA

              Much more likely

              Especially the neocon imperial adventures.

    • John not McCain

      “when poisoning him is logistically impossible”

      Oh, I highly doubt that is true. Just imagine how much waiter spit Donnymandias has swallowed over the past 70 years.

      • Hogan

        With that diet he’s poisoning himself. He’s just taking his sweet time about it.

        • —I tell the tale that I heard told.
          Mithridates, he died old

          • rea

            Say, for what were hop-yards meant,
            Or why was Burton built on Trent?
            Oh many a peer of England brews
            Livelier liquor than the Muse,
            And malt does more than Milton can
            To justify God’s ways to man.
            Ale, man, ale’s the stuff to drink
            For fellows whom it hurts to think

        • N__B

          Has no one tried to convince him that the classiest people with the hugest fortunes eat nothing but gilded food? Gilded burning hot coals and gilded burning hot cola…

  • sibusisodan

    A man less stupid than Trump might consider that bad things tend to happen when you piss off Mossad.

    Are there any other agencies higher on the ‘do not enrage’ list?

    • humanoid.panda

      FSB, but he has got that covered.

      Also, Trump has higher authority than the Mossad when it comes to Israeli affairs: Sheldon Adelson.

      • twbb

        My schadenfreude over Adelson is a lot higher than over Nentanyahu right now, taking into light the whole Jerusalem thing too.

        • Chetsky

          I had a different kind of schadenfreude over this. If it weren’t for the fact that Poop Midas could have made this disclosure of SCI from *any* partner (and hence endangered any of our partners’ assets), I’d be (only a little — it’s still people’s lives at risk) wryly smiling a -little- at -Israel- getting its intel sold to a potential adversary. I mean, Jonathan Pollard?

          But again: it’s an all-around horrible thing for America, and for our partners — all our partners. No silver lining.

          • so-in-so

            Not even “sold”, given away on a brag.

            • mikeSchilling

              Paid for in feigned admiration.

  • keta

    Giving credence, or even a hearing, to any explanation from Erik Erikson is akin to searching for deep philosophical meaning in your stool. It’s messy and smelly, and you only end up with shit on your hands.

    • so-in-so

      I thought that was trying to understand t-Rump. Are they both the same process?

  • sigaba

    Not how this works, not at all. Attacks from the press only potentiate his bad behavior, they’re throwing gasoline on the fire.

    Sorry, they can’t engineer this guy into a functioning responsible adult. They’ll never be able to leave him alone, literally no volition he forms is trustworthy, he refuses any form of guidance, this shit will just keep happening and they’d better get used to it.

    • Yes, if I assume Leaker X isn’t a figment of Erickson’s imagination, and I assume Leaker X isn’t really Liar X, then it’s someone who is fantastically stupid.

      As an aside, everyone in the White House who can be connected with Erickson should probably start looking for another job.

      • twbb

        “Yes, if I assume Leaker X isn’t a figment of Erickson’s imagination, and I assume Leaker X isn’t really Liar X, then it’s someone who is fantastically stupid.”

        Well, if they’re a diehard trump supporter that’s not exactly particularly difficult thing to deduce…

        • cleek

          Erickson, for all his faults, was never a die-hard Trump supporter.

          http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/erick-erickson-trump-mea-culpa-231166

          • Rob in CT

            See also: Jennifer Rubin. I loathe the both of them, but I don’t think either can actually be accused of being squishes on Trump.

            • The difference is that Erickson repeatedly said he’d rather have Trump than Hillary, while I actually wouldn’t be surprised to find that Rubin had voted for Hillary. Of late she’s been lauding the Democrats’ approach to Trump while lambasting the GOP. There’s no pox-on-both-houses false equivalency there.

              Now, I have no illusions that the reason Rubin is so upset is because she’s a diehard neocon. She was Romney’s biggest fan. She wants America to be run by a glib man with a perfect haircut and shining teeth and an iron fist. But she’s one of the few anti-Trump conservatives who is actually willing to hold the GOP responsible for Trump, and that’s something that “reasonable” Republicans like David Brooks have been conspicuously unwilling to do.

              • NewishLawyer

                IIRC, Rubin is one of the few #NeverTrumpers who declared “That’s it! It’s not me, it’s you!” with the GOP over Trump. I don’t know if she became a Democrat yet but she could be working herself up to the zeal of the convert.

                • Feh. She will continue to cheeerlead for ill advised military adventurism and will be one more democrat who will preemptively claim defeat on any social spending no matter how small or life-saving.

          • twbb

            I know, I meant his source. Saying that his source in the WH is a die hard Trump supporting source doesn’t really eliminate many people when you say the source is stupid.

    • Brad Nailer

      McConnell wants “less drama from the White House.” I assume the Koch brothers, ALEC, and the American Enterprise Institute approved that statement.

      • Rob in CT

        He wants Trump to cool it and sign whatever Congress vomits up to him. Shut the fuck up, Donny, and sign this tax cut bill.

      • twbb

        Now we need someone to say to Trump “how dare McConnell give you order like that!?”

  • tsam

    This kind of stuff reminds me of parents who (reputedly) would make their kids smoke the whole pack of cigarettes if they caught them smoking. If there’s an idea for getting the president to behave like a president, these dopes picked the worst possible plan–inflame his anger and insecurity.

    • John Revolta

      Wait- are you saying that the way to cure somebody of paranoia isn’t to tell his secrets to other people behind his back?

      • tsam

        Weeeellllll, my business card doesn’t say rocket surgeon, but I’m gonna go with showing everyone your hand while playing poker is not a winning strategy.

    • The worst possible plan for the worst possible president.

  • Mike G

    He does not want advice, cannot be corrected, and is too insecure to see any constructive feedback as anything other than an attack.

    Beware the man who in his own mind “never makes any mistakes” — he’s sure to make some massive ones trying to maintain the conceit that he is perfect.

  • MacK

    Erickson is is a first order jerk, but this is quite possibly true, in that I can believe someone told him this with firsthand knowledge

    • twbb

      Who’s he chummy with is the question? Obviously not Bannon, who Erickson hates. Was Kushner there and privy to the fact that this was classified? Erickson is a Kushner and Priebus booster, so maybe one of them, but I can’t see him throwing them under the bus in this kind of situation.

      I had assumed that if McMaster’s people had to immediately start alerting the intelligence services about what happened, it was somewhere in that group but I don’t see any of his people being Trump supporters.

      • Erickson is a Kushner and Priebus booster

        My understanding was that Kushner and Priebus were actually in opposing factions in the White House these days. I’m pretty sure I’ve read that Priebus, despite his ultra-establishment background, has ended up more in Bannon’s orbit. This seems to be mostly because Priebus and Bannon are both unyielding GOP partisans, while Kushner is of course a Democrat cuck or whatever.

    • efgoldman

      this is quite possibly true, in that I can believe someone told him this with firsthand knowledge

      I don’t know which is potentially worse and scarier: that Erickson is right, or that he’s full of shit and this fiasco is exactly what it appears to be.

  • McAllen

    So we can add “backstabbing Israel” to the list of things Republicans give not one shit about so long as they get to keep funneling money to rich people.

    • Scott Mc

      The other question is, will it matter to the Israelis?

      • twbb

        The more important question is, will it matter to AIPAC?

        • humanoid.panda

          No,and no (the professionals in the Israeli IC community will be livid, but Bibi hates them, and they hate him..)

  • Simple Mind

    But what is the intelligence itself? Is it that phoney-baloney ‘splondin’ laptops from Europe on our planes garbage?

    • The Dark God of Time

      I don’t know about exploding, but it would be theoretically possible to have a laptop with some sort of program that would cause the battery to overhead and catch fire, which could spread to the rest of cargo hold.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPS_Airlines_Flight_6

      • Simple Mind

        and any and all other devices. I remain skeptical unless all such devices are truly threats to humanity.

      • randy khan

        My understanding is that the supposed threat is from more or less regular bombs built into laptops in such a way that they can’t be detected, as opposed to some kind of hack that causes hyper-rapid discharge of the battery and, therefore, a fire. But I’ve wondered if there’s reason to worry about the battery hack, to be honest. I mean, the Samsung Galaxy 7 Note thing actually happened, and it wasn’t even intentional.

        • Simple Mind

          Meanwhile, Russian spokesman Dmitri Peskov: “We want nothing to do with such claptrap – [intelligence] that can neither be confirmed or denied”. I may be missing something but this leaked, so-called intelligence could be yet another distraction as Trump enjoys watching his minions squirm over avowals/denials.

      • MaxUtility

        But the current idea is to force people to put their laptops into checked baggage (i.e. the cargo hold.)

        But you do raise a good question. Could you set up a laptop to self-immolate via software and hidden tinkering? I think most modern airliners have fire suppression in the cargo hold. But I don’t know about older planes.

  • Jon_H11

    Frighteningly serious question: Let’s say Trump’s just blown some of our sources for anti-terrorism intelligence, and this in turns leads to the worst possible scenario of a successful attack by ISIS or Al-Qaeda or some other terrorist organization on American soil. What in recent history makes anyone think that that eventuality would serve Trump poorly?

    • I tweeted about this last night – I concluded that we’d be horribly fucked.

      Of course, this administration is capable of turning a terrorist attack that involves a half-stick of dynamite and damage to a mailbox into an excuse for martial law, so maybe ISIL/AQ won’t have to be involved. :-)

  • SatanicPanic

    I read this as a “uh oh, Trump is a mess” story and that it wasn’t intended for me anyway. I don’t know if he’s trying to excuse the incident, but it seems like Trump comes off rather badly here. If more people on the right start writing these sorts of things, isn’t that a good thing?

  • Daglock

    Trump as Baldrick. Brilliant.

    • Breadbaker

      Sure, go ahead and insult Baldrick. Sodoff.

  • Breadbaker

    While the source in ISIS is probably already dead, so too are probably half a dozen other ISIS people who might have plausibly leaked but didn’t.

    ISIS, after all, is really about as competent as Trump.

  • randy khan

    Meanwhile, there may not be tapes of the Trump-Comey interactions, but apparently there are memos:

    President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo that Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.

    “I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo.

    The existence of Mr. Trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I. investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia.

    Mr. Comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after Mr. Flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo. The memo was part of a paper trail Mr. Comey created documenting what he perceived as the president’s improper efforts to influence an ongoing investigation. An F.B.I. agent’s contemporaneous notes are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations.

    That’s gonna leave a mark

    • humanoid.panda

      I DEMAND A LIVEFEED OF SCOTT’S REACTIONS TO THIS STORY, OR I CANCEL MY SUBSCRIPTION TO THIS WEBLOG.

    • sigaba

      So incredible stupid unspeakable embarrassing stupid incredible.

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