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Kellyanne Conway’s citation of the imaginary Bowling Green Massacre was not a one-shot thing:

Kellyanne Conway took to Twitter on Friday to walk back her comments on MSNBC’s Hardball about a nonexistent terrorist attack in Bowling Green, Kentucky. However, this wasn’t the first time she used the words “Bowling Green massacre” in an on-the-record conversation with a reporter.

In an earlier interview with Cosmopolitan.com, she not only used this same phrase but also went a step further in describing the actions of the two Iraqi men involved in the case to which she was referring.

Defending the president’s executive order banning non-U.S. citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the country for 90 days on Hardball With Chris Matthews, Conway invoked what she called the “Bowling Green massacre.”


But in an interview with Cosmopolitan.com conducted by phone days earlier, on Sunday, Jan. 29, Conway used the same phrasing, claiming that President Barack Obama called for a temporary “ban on Iraqi refugees” after the “Bowling Green massacre.” (The quotes did not appear in either of two stories recently published on Cosmopolitan.com.)

“He did, it’s a fact,” she said of Obama. “Why did he do that? He did that for exactly the same reasons. He did that because two Iraqi nationals came to this country, joined ISIS, traveled back to the Middle East to get trained and refine their terrorism skills, and come back here, and were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green massacre of taking innocent soldiers’ lives away.”

In fact, I’m not sure why Conway is backing down. Maybe the Bowling Green massacre did happen! Views differ! Alex Jones says there’s a cover up! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

These next four years are really going to crawl by.

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  • keta

    In a follow-up text exchange Sunday night, Conway wrote, “Frankly they were terrorists in Bowling Green but their massacre took place in Iraq. At least this got clear-thinking people to focus on what did happen in Bowling Green. I gave new life to that ABC News investigative report and the fact that these two Iraqi nationals came to the US with a plan of death and destruction.”

    By this fractured logic I expect we’ll soon be hearing about the Bumlick, Iowa Decimation and the Point Pisspants, Missouri Slaughter and the Shakyboots, Nebraska Annihilation.

    Thanks for the focus, Kellyanne!

    • Actually there wasn’t any “massacre” in Iraq specifically attributable to these guys either.

      • Cheerfull

        When we shoot at them it’s war. When they shoot back at us it’s terrorism.

        I happened to run across some posters put up by the German authorities in Northern France, in August 1944 warning the citizens about the activities of terrorists and the stern penalties that awaited them. The idea of claiming your enemy is a mindless proponent of violence has a long heritage.

    • socraticsilence

      By this logic wouldn’t that make 9/11 the worst terrorist attack in Afghanistan’s history?

      • BiloSagdiyev

        I’ll never forget how the NY firemen sacrificed themselves in the Tora Bora Massacre!

    • JMP

      When I was a kid in Catholic school in the 80s, many of my classmates used to brag about how their parents sent money to the IRA. Back then, apparently, aiding foreign terrorist groups was perfectly OK.

  • ΧΤΠΔ

    It’s nice that all my right-wing friends are donating to help the victims at Bowling Green, but I never saw relief efforts of this volume in the aftermath of the Groundhog’s Day Massacre. (Yes, I’m pretending last night never happened, and not just because one of my favorite musicians died).

  • Cam

    Maybe she meant Bowling Green, OHIO!!!!???!!

    • Breadbaker

      She might have meant many, many Bowling Greens. We must explore them all, including the one in Wiesbaden!

      • Cam


    • rm

      Scott’s picture is from BG, OH, but the place that the massacre did not take place at was in fact Bowling Green, KY.

      That is, two guys were caught storing weapons with an intention to send them to some terrorist group in BG, KY, home of Western Kentucky University, the Corvette Museum, and the Lost River Cave underground boat tour (which I like to think features Willie Wonka).

      Perhaps the real Bowling Green Massacre was when the sinkhole opened underneath the Corvette Museum and destroyed several classic cars.

    • Captain Oblivious

      Maybe she got confused with Kent State–

      Oh wait, that was a Republican president, so not a massacre.

    • Jake Nelson

      If you’ll forgive the plug, that’s the Bowling Green I went with for my short story (wherein a “investigative journalist”/idiot you may find familiar tries to find the “real story”)

  • Mike in DC

    It’d be great if CNN’s freeze-out of Conway were extended indefinitely and expanded to include NBC,CBS, ABC, PBS, MSNBC, and CNBC. That would make her nearly useless as a spokesperson. As is appropriate for someone with zero credibility. Now, firing all of the Trump shills on their panels would show CNN really means business, but baby steps, I guess.

    • I don’t understand why this doesn’t happen organically. Although he’ll never understand this, Chris Matthews’s already thin credibility took a hit when he didn’t immediately ask Conway what the hell she was blathering about. If for no other reason than to protect their own equally clueless hosts, you’d think all the networks would steer clear of booking her.

      • keta

        Hahahaha! You think big-time news sniffers like Matthews listen to the answers to their questions? It’s all about how wonderfully crafted your question is, and how earnest you look and knowledgeable you sound when you ask the question.

        Professional American news personalities reporters understand this.

        • efgoldman

          Professional American news personalities reporters understand this

          Hell, I’ve never been any of these things (although I’ve worked with some of them) and I understand it.

  • petesh

    Every word a lie, including and and the.

    • howard

      imho, still the greatest literary dis ever.

      • keta

        It’s a dandy, but I’d go with either Wilde on Pope (“There are two ways of disliking poetry; one way is to dislike it, the other is to read Pope.”), or Capote on Kerouac (“That’s not writing, that’s typing.”)

        As for a dis on lying, I’ve always been partial to Truman on Nixon (“Richard Nixon is a no good, lying bastard. He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he’d lie just to keep his hand in.”)

        • Cheerfull

          Your manuscript is both good and original; but the part that is good is not original, and the part that is original is not good


          attributed to Samuel Johnson though sadly perhaps not the case:

        • petesh

          Love the Capote quote, but I thought it was at Mailer, or maybe he was just talking to Mailer about Kerouac (whom I actually like).

          On Nixon, my all-time favorite is Hunter Thompson’s dedication in one of his collections:

          To Richard Nixon, who never let me down

          • BiloSagdiyev

            Also by the late HST, who we sure could have used this past year:

            If the right people had been in charge of Nixon’s funeral, his casket would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president. Nixon was so crooked that he needed servants to help him screw his pants on every morning. Even his funeral was illegal. He was queer in the deepest way. His body should have been burned in a trash bin.

  • sibusisodan

    OT: Speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, has just said that he would not be in favour of letting Trump address the House on his state visit to the UK.

    Video here.

    Piers Morgan is annoyed. So, a good job all round!

    • petesh

      Also, the Prince of Wales is an issue, being as he is issue of Her Maj, who can get quite grumpy if she thinks someone is dissing the family.

  • humanoid.panda

    My guess is that of the unholy trio of Bannon, Spicer and Conway, she is going to be the first one to go. Her entire value to Trump is that the media loved St. Keyllane, the pivot miracle worker. Now that it doesn’t, she could be replaced with any other blonde surrogate.

    • Captain Oblivious

      I predict Bannon’s the next to go. Conway had a lot more to do with Trump getting elected than Bannon did, and Trump is big on rewardng loyalty. Trump’s already rage-tweeting about people referring to “President Bannon” and there are reports that he’s pissed at Bannon about the NSC and travel ban EOs.

      • gusmpls

        Ha! That would be awesome, since I saw a lot of comments saying that the “President Bannon” thing would get under Trump’s very thin skin. Not surprised to find it’s true.

      • efgoldman

        there are reports that he’s pissed at Bannon about the NSC and travel ban EOs.

        More specifically, he’s pissed because no one explained what was in them before he signed them.
        Run gummint like a business, indeed. Maybe that’s why the multiple bankruptcies. Also proof, if any were needed, that he can’t read.

        • Captain Oblivious

          I’m sure he can read. He may be dyslexic or have some other difficulty, although I suspect he’s just mentally lazy and not willing to make the effort to parse the often convoluted, legalese phraseology of such documents. As a businessman, he’s long accustomed to having trusted lawyers read these things and explain them to him, which is perfectly common business practice.

          This is why I think Bannon’s on a short lease. He trusted Bannon to explain what he was signing, and apparently that did not happen. At the minimum, Trump sees that as ineptitude, but because he’s a paranoid narcissist, he’s far more likely to see it as betrayal.

          • efgoldman

            I think Bannon’s on a short lease.

            Great typo.

  • witlesschum
    • muddy

      Thank you, I’ve passed that around. Just horrifying, and just typical. Next up, Conway condemns this action by a blue state.

  • Little Chak

    If only UnderTheSun were here to tell us how Obama’s response to this very specific incident is exactly the same as Trump’s year and a half of fear-mongering based on no specific information other than the “we can’t take the risk that a single citizen is killed by a non-citizen because that signifies the end of our civilization” mantra.

  • Gator90

    Je suis Bowling Green!

    Bowling Green strong!

    Ich bin ein Bowlingreener!

    • petesh

      I am a jelly donut!

  • President Putinfluffer

    Conway’s failure here was being too specific, again. For some reason she seems to care about being believed.
    Steve and I can’t get her to understand that vague un-finished sentences let my Trumpanzees fill in their own favorite conspiracy theory.

    Sean KNOWS how it’s done.

    So proud of that boy!

  • georgekaplan

    Jeez, considering how Sandy Hook never actually happened, you’d think that Trump would do a better job of creating a fake massacre than that incompetent stumblebum Obama. Trump sucks even at being a tyrant!

  • In an alternative universe, Conway’s alternative facts are true.

    • efgoldman

      In an alternative universe, Conway’s alternative facts are true.

      In her world, the parallel universes intersect.

  • Dilan Esper

    Every time I have tried lawn bowling, I got massacred.

  • bobbo1

    Bowling Green massacre of taking innocent soldiers’ lives away

    Downright Palinesque.

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