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Kaci Hickox and Judge Charles LaVerdiere. LaVerdiere:

“We would not be here today unless Respondent generously, kindly and with compassion lent her skills to aid, comfort and care for individuals stricken with a terrible disease. We need to remember as we go through this matter that we owe her and all professionals who give of themselves in this way a debt of gratitude.”

I know that after decades of the wars on terror and (some people who use some) drugs, the notion that the evidence used to justify restricting basic rights should actually have to meet some kind of quality standards might seem rather quaint. But it’s not quite dead yet, despite the mendacious, lazy, and casually racist stupidity of ebolanoia and those who pander to it.

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  • tsam

    Well said, your honor!

    Ebolanoia;

    Science: Don’t panic about Ebola
    America: PANIC!!!!11!!

    Science: Panic about climate change
    America: LOL pass me some coal.

    • Gwen

      America’s so chill about climate change it’s more like “pass da lignite on de left hand side.”

      • tsam

        So chill, so frosty…damn, that’s one cold-ass honky.

  • Denverite

    I was saying the other day that the rule should be that if the state wants to quarantine a nonsymptomatic person, it should be required to put them up in the nicest suite of the hotel of the person’s choice.

    • Snarki, child of Loki

      “Room Service? Send up a crate of grapefruit and a machete.”

      • Ahuitzotl

        no crazed hookers or pineal extract?

    • ThrottleJockey

      I was saying the other day that the rule should be that if the state wants to quarantine a nonsymptomatic person, it should be required to put them up in the nicest suite of the hotel of the person’s choice the top penthouse suite of Trump Tower.

      FIFY

  • jamesjhare

    Governor LePage deserves the asshole of the day award for being disappointed he could no longer confine this brave woman to her home for no reason whatsoever. What a maroon.

    • Davis X. Machina

      He can’t win the asshole of the day award, because the third time you win it, you retire the trophy.

      That happened in January of 2011.

      • Wait is there an Asshole Hall of Fame? For the permanently hors concours? Because that could add fun value to the whole thing. You can imagine promoting, say, Chris Christie, through the ranks of Asshole of the Year, Asshole of Permanent Distinction, and so on up to Immortal Asshole, a select group that would be limited to just 40 living members. And Twitter elections for each.

        • Origami Isopod

          Imagine the award statuettes. They could probably double as odds’n’ends holders on the recipients’ coffee tables.

          • Lee Rudolph

            What, you don’t think butt-plugs would be more appropriate? (Not that there’d be anything wrong with their having them on their coffee tables anyway!)

  • Perhaps I’m reading too much into all this but it certainly seems like the governors involved are get WAY too excited by the opportunity to “protect” MILLIONS of people via scientifically illiterate authoritarian measures.

    I cannot express my anger at this bullshit.

    • tsam

      I’m guessing this shit is political stunts…playing on the Ebola fears.

      Funny–there was a flu in 1918 that killed about 20 million people. The flu hasn’t gone anywhere, just become more controlled, but a deadly flu pandemic is in no way implausible. No quarantines for that one, though.

    • djw

      I cannot express my anger at this bullshit.

      I haven’t been this disgusted by our national discourse since at least the “ground zero mosque” bullshit of 2010. If I turned on CNN right now, the odds of either me or the TV going out the window within half an hour would be way too high.

      • Don’t let your anger lead to a flush or the geniuses at EWR will lock you up.

      • Barry Freed

        Me too. I’ve been positively livid about this. I’ve made the mistake more than once of wading into comments sections of newspaper article about this and the way she and the other brave and selfless health care professionals have been abused just makes me despair of the human race. The ignorance, venality and pants-pissing selfishness on display is maddening.

      • ThrottleJockey

        If CNN isn’t hyping paranoia they’re not paying Jeff Zucker…I’m more mad at MSNBC. I expect more from them.

    • “We care so much about the danger of this virus that we are arbitrarily imprison anyone who treats people who have it.”

      • the unforgivable thing that their work makes the rest of us a little less afraid, not something governors like to see just at election time, at least Republican governors plus young Andrew.

    • DrDick

      Completely agree. I really want to start smacking heads, but it would be completely ineffective, since these are all empty.

  • Joe_JP

    With the amount of concern about honoring “Christianity” by politicians in this country, doing some administering to the sick should be given special respect by the same.

    The article’s summary suggests the judge provided a sane approach to the situation. Be useful if a mandatory set of national guidelines were set forth by the CDC. Since international and interstate travel was involved (she moved from NJ to Maine) in this case, it should be fairly clear that the feds have the power to do that. States can have the job of overseeing that the guidelines are followed.

    Any guidelines have to not be such to wrongly infringe on liberty, but public health warrants a smart system here. Trusting governors ad hoc might not be the best way to go.

  • efgoldman

    As this story was unfolding, it occurred to me that there are still sensible state judges here and there that know the law, the constitution, and the limits of state power.
    I’m glad to see I was right.
    Sometimes we angry progressives need to step back and remember that RWNJ weasels on SCOTUS and e.g. the WI stat supreme court aren’t representative of the whole judiciary.
    =====
    Now back to our regularly scheduled cynical snark.

  • wengler

    Christie and Cuomo are just responding to lack of insanity in the Obama administration’s approach to Ebola.

  • Snarki, child of Loki

    “We have to err on the side of caution, even if it means restricting basic rights in order to protect the public!”

    So, you’re banning guns, Gov. LePage?

    • DrDick

      +infinity!

    • djw

      Nicely done.

    • Barry Freed

      +45

      • JR

        Didn’t you mean +.45 ?

        • efgoldman

          Didn’t you mean +.45 ?

          Maybe he meant malt liquor.

  • Marek

    Harrumph, harrumph. Heroes both.

  • duck-billed placelot

    My favorite part of the linked article:

    “If she respects the people around her, she should do it on her own,” said Lucienne Hebert, 58, a lifelong resident. “I don’t appreciate outsiders coming in here and causing this much chaos.”

    I grew up in the South, where I thought that attitude came from. But no, I guess horrible, miserly people are everywhere.

    Too bad that no democrats are making hay with this panic. Sure seems like it would be an excellent time to advocate for paid time off, so sick people can stay home, right?

    • This is New England you’re talking about; if her family moved to Maine when she was two, she’ll be summer people forever.

      • efgoldman

        Ayup!

      • Linnaeus

        Remind me not to move to New England.

        • muddy

          They’ll call your house by the name of the previous owners for decades. The good news is that when you are gone, they will call if by your name for the next people.

        • efgoldman

          Remind me not to move to New England.

          Don’t move to New England.

      • Origami Isopod

        To be fair, that’s rural, small-town New England. The urban and suburban parts aren’t like that, or the sorta-rural areas around major colleges.

        But, yeah. In an area of that sort, even if she’d been born there but her parents were “from away,” that’d be a mark against her. Watch local ads on Maine TV; the people trying to sell you their products and services introduce themselves as “fourth-generation Mainer,” “fifth-generation Mainer,” “sixth-generation Mainer,” etc.

        • Davis X. Machina

          Appalachia, with lobsters.

          And north and west of the Turnpike — no lobsters.

          • efgoldman

            And north and west of the Turnpike — no lobsters.

            You can’t get lobstah West of the turnpike? Or all the way North into the Maritimes? Really?

      • Ahuitzotl

        At least its not the English shires, where if your grandparents moved to the village, you’re still regarded as parvenu

  • mud man

    And if we disagree with what they tell us we will just go ahead and do what we want anyway because Science! And we have been to an actual professional school, so we know. And anyway ignoring any standards we don’t personally agree with is the best way to promote rationality and solidarity and reduce panic. We own a bicycle and the main thing is to ride it.

    • DrDick

      SO we can count you among the Know Nothing bozos? Always suspected as much. Nurse Hickox was not acting on her personal opinion, but on the well established and widely publicized scientific protocols for people in her situation. Your fears are not science or good medicine.

      • mud man

        Are you a real Doctor? Protocols are established by a supervising medical authority, which in this case would appear to be the state health authorities. Scientific medicine is based on the idea that workers will adhere to protocols or consult. What the CDC does are more sorta like guidelines. Nursie has gone way out on her own here.

        • Marek

          “Nursie,” huh, nice sexism there dude.

        • DrDick

          I am a real Ph.D., but I know a lot more about this than you evidently do. The protocols here were set by the CDC and DSM (who have a hell of a lot more experience with these issues the the lunatic governor of Maine, who has no medical training at all). The nurse was complying completely with the generally established medical protocols. What you ignored was political grandstanding by a ignorant politician.

        • Bitter Scribe

          Listen, you geek, “Nursie” went “way out” around the world to help poor, desperate people struggling against a horrible disease. “Nursie” is worth three or four of you. Show some fucking respect.

    • Origami Isopod

      I honestly can’t tell from your comment which side you’re snarking.

      • mud man

        I was thinking, all you Federalists here think government supervision of labor relations, high finance, medicine is good stuff, but you’re cheering on this loose canon of a know-everything. Snark on all your houses.

        • this loose canon

          I prefer the term “promiscuous prebendiary”.

        • DrDick

          you’re cheering on this loose canon of a know-everything.

          That would be a competent and courageous medical professional who is following all the federally and internationally established protocols.

        • matt w

          You think that… LGM is a hotbed of States’ Rights Federalism? Are you really that stupid?

          • DrDick

            Why yes, yes he is. Actually, I think we can add “federalist” to the very long, and rapidly expanding, list of words that do not mean what he thinks they do.

          • djw

            I don’t try too hard, because I don’t find engagement with this particular commenter particularly edifying, but if I were to guess I’d wager he means it in the 18th C “federalist v. anti-federalist” sense. IIRC, he’s a leftism=localism sort.

            • Origami Isopod

              IOW, a manarchist, an impression which “Nursie” upthread seems to cement.

  • dporpentine

    I’ll be writing Kaci Hickox in for New York State governor next week. You should too!

  • Origami Isopod

    I’m diving into the NYT comments, heaven knows why, and am already seeing “common sense” evoked (three times by the same asshole in Arizona), which allegedly pre-dated due process. Also the opinion that if “the state” didn’t force a healthcare worker into danger, it’s not obliged to reimburse them for lost income, deliver groceries, etc. when it enforces quarantine on them. Or, as someone else put it, “No one made her to go Africa… I would never, never want to go to a hospital where she works.”

    And this:

    You must have missed Ms. Hickox’s posts of selfies from the tent in NJ, big smiling face, no trace of concern or mistreatment.

    Yes, how dare she smile when she takes her own photo. (How dare she take her own photo, period. Frivolous, vain females and their frivolous, vain selfies.)

    • Lee Rudolph

      Yes, how dare she smile when she takes her own photo. (How dare she take her own photo, period.

      Worst of all, she has her clothes on!!!1!

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