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There is not a single person I want to hear less from on Iraq than Tony Blair.

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  • Malaclypse

    I see your Tony Blair, and raise you a Colin Powell.

    • joel hanes

      Doug Feith

      • Josh

        Glenn Reynolds?

        • joel hanes

          John Hinderaker
          DuToit
          Stephen Den Beste

          • BruceJ

            Darth Richard Cheney, and he finds your lack of faith disturbing….

            • Mike G

              The only thing I want to hear from Cheney is him entering a plea in a Dutch courtroom.

          • Tiny Hermaphrodite, Esq.

            Ah come on man. DuToit and denBeste are hilariously ludicrous. And so deliciously thinskinned. Especially denBeste.

      • joe from Lowell

        “This is the education of Barack Obama, but it’s coming at a very high cost to the Syrian people to the Iraqi people, to the American national interest,” Doug Feith, the Under-secretary of Defense for Policy from 2001 to 2005, told Politico. “The President didn’t take seriously the warnings of what would happen if we withdrew and he liked the political benefits of being able to say that we’re completely out.”

        Oh, just GFYS, Doug Feith.

        • Pat

          Hey, let’s ask the dumbest fucking guy on the planet! And report what he says like it matters!

    • DrDick

      That list is rather long and exhaustive.

      • Warren Terra

        Mind you, I do see a complicated War Mongers trading card game in the offing (“I see your Scooter Libby, and I counter with my Doug Feith. His Blithering Idiocy power negates your guy’s Slick Venality!”)

      • dmsilev

        I draw wisdom from the words of the Lord High Executioner:

        As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
        I’ve got a little list — I’ve got a little list
        Of society offenders who might well be underground,
        And who never would be missed — who never would be missed!

        • Tristan

          You’ve made your last mistake, Zodiac

    • Manju

      Hillary Clinton.

  • Achrachno

    Not even Dick Cheney?

    • TG Chicago

      Cheney and McCain are good answers. Rice would be, too. But #1 for me is probably Rummy.

      • H. Rumbold, Master Barber

        In the dock. Under oath.

  • I nominate John McCain.

  • MAJeff

    Maybe Shrubbie will do an Iraq-themed painting.

  • cpinva

    what, no love for the mittster?

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/romney-hillary-clinton-underestimated-threats

    for a failed candidate, who displayed zero understanding of foreign policy (and only a marginally better understanding of domestic policy), he really just doesn’t know when to shut up in public.

    • Nobdy

      [the administration] not taken the action necessary to prevent bad things from happening.

      Remember the paradise we lived in under Bush when bad things never happened?

      Hey, when did they remodel the twin towers into a single tower? I don’t remember hearing about that.

  • Nobdy

    You’re going to miss a lot of wisdom!

    “We have to liberate ourselves from the notion that ‘we’ have caused this. We haven’t. We can argue as to whether our policies at points have helped or not: and whether action or inaction is the best policy. But the fundamental cause of the crisis lies within the region not outside it.

    “We have to put aside the differences of the past and act now to save the future,” says Blair, adding that force may be necessary. “Where the extremists are fighting, they have to be countered hard, with force.”

    It’s true that we can argue as to whether our polices at points have helped or not.

    Tony’s got you there. It is physically possible to argue that.

    • Malaclypse

      I know you’re mad at me right now, and I’m kinda mad too … I mean, we could sit here and try to figure out who forgot to pick up who till the cows come home. But let’s just say we’re both wrong and that’ll be that.

      • Aimai

        Christ if there was ever a better impromptu performance of the Monty Python sketch “lets not argue about who killed who” I don’t know what it is.

        • Stan Gable

          Iraq and Syria both have huge…tracts of land.

      • Keaaukane

        Good one, Mal. Do you have every Simpsons episode memorized?

        • Malaclypse

          All the early Simpsons, and the first two decades or so of Doonesbury, yes.

          • Pat

            Even revolutionaries love chocolate chip cookies!

    • Crunchy Frog

      “Where the extremists are fighting, they have to be countered hard, with force.”

      Yeah, true, but the US military is so well funded that no one is willing to stand up to them directly.

    • Tom Scudder

      Let’s not bicker over who killed who.

  • TomH

    I agree but who would you like to hear from?

    • Walt

      If we’re restricting it to Iraq hawks, Michael Kelly. Because that would prove life after death.

    • joel hanes

      Shinseki

      • Brad Nailer

        +1. I was also thinking of Lawrence Lindsey, but fuck him, too.

      • Pat

        He’s been busy.

        • toberdog

          Yes, he has. Being unfairly scapegoated takes a lot of one’s time.

          • Pat

            Also, I don’t think that it falls in his expertise as well. Once you’re set on an invasion, Shinseki is your man. He knows how many boots need to be on the ground.

            But whether or not to invade, and what your objectives should be, are not his bag, I think.

    • Chris

      Zinni.

      • DocAmazing

        Where has he been all this time?

        • Chris

          IIRC, he was supposed to be made ambassador to Iraq (or some country in the region, think it was Iraq) after the 2008 election, but the new administration changed their mind at the last minute and gave it to someone else.

    • Manju

      Obama.

      • Manju

        I don’t mean this as if he’s hiding. I mean, I like this emerging “Do Nothing” doctrine. It’s really something.

        Interventionalism has been so deeply embedded within the elite consensus for so long. I wonder if we’ll look back at these years and see a turning point…perhaps a legacy.

        • Pat

          It’s not really a “Do nothing” policy, Manju. It’s more of a “bombing is expensive and hasn’t been working very well, so let’s try other options” kind of policy.

        • joe from Lowell

          I agree, Manju.

          Look at the dramatically different reaction this administration had to the Egyptian Arab Spring and the Honduras coup, compared to any President in the past 70 years.

    • General Boykin? Not because he has any valuable insight or anything, it’s just nice to remind myself that General Ripper in Doctor Strangelove was more an accurate portrayal than a parody.

  • TomH

    and this comment from The Guardian about sums it up for me.

    “Blair is insane to think that any military action can have a predictable outcome in this region.
    A letter about the Middle East to a broadsheet newspaper was read out on BBC Radio 4 last September:-
    Sir,
    Iran is backing Assad, but Gulf Sates are against Assad. Assad is against Muslim Brotherhood. Muslim Brotherhood and Obama are against General Sisi, but Gulf States are pro-Sisi, which means that they are against Muslim Brotherhood. Iran is pro-Hamas, but Hamas is backing Muslim Brotherhood. Iran is backing Muslim Brotherhood, but Hamas is against the US. Gulf States are pro-US, but Turkey is with US against Assad, yet Turkey is pro-Muslim Brotherhood against General Sisi, and General Sisi is being backed by the Gulf States. – Welcome to the Middle East and have a nice day.”

    • Manta

      The “problem” is that US does not have much of value at stake in in the Middle East, and therefore it gets swayed by its allies agenda.

  • Bruce Vail

    Paul Wolfowitz was on one of the TV Sunday programs today.

    • BruceJ

      We could only wish it were on “Guillotines Weekly”

      • Kal

        You could make a real good start at a guillotine list just by going through the Sunday show guest lists for a year. And I’m not even talking about asshole media warmongers, I’m talking about bona fide war criminals.

  • jon

    Blair should have held his peace, until we’d had a chance to hear Condi Rice’s advice on the matter.

    It seems that there are many people trying to grab Doug Feith’s crown.

  • calling all toasters

    Personally, I would love for Henry Kissinger to make the rounds talking about how this is a reprise of the great success of our Cambodian invasion.

  • wengler

    Ol’ ’45 minute Blair’. I wonder if he could make it to The Hague in 45 minutes.

    • Warren Terra

      I hear he has the capacity to depart for the Hague within the next 45 minutes.

    • Kyle

      From Heathrow that is quite doable. I’d chip in for a one-way ticket.

      • Richard Gadsden

        55 minutes from LCY, an hour from LHR

        But it’s one of those journeys that’s much better by train – just over four hours from St Pancras International station, changing in Brussels and Rotterdam.

        Rotterdam-Den Haag airport is a long way from the court, whereas Voorberg station is just around the corner.

  • Keaaukane

    When I first saw ISIS was taking over Iraq, I assumed Sterling Archer was behind it.

  • Incontinentia Buttocks

    Even Bill Kristol is disappointed that he hasn’t yet been mentioned on this thread. Surely he’s earned it!

    • Malaclypse

      See, I do want to hear from Kristol. Like Jennie, he has a 100% perfect record when it comes to making predictions. All you have to remember is that both are always wrong.

  • This is the sort of thing I meant in the earlier thread when I said Iraq discredited liberal hawks too. They are always telling us they know the difference between good wars and bad wars, but most of them supported the Iraq War and all of them supported the ten year obsession with the complete non-threat to the US Saddam Hussein that preceded it (in fact, Saddam kept Iraq together and our policies tore it apart).

    If you want a group that is generally right about foreign policy, look to the anti-war left and the DFH’s.

    • Brad Nailer

      That has been true since day one.

    • joe from Lowell

      most of them supported the Iraq War

      I still don’t think a term that describes both Iraq hawks and Iraq doves is a meaningful term.

      It’s like libertarians using “statist.”

    • Pat

      After Wellstone died, I think a lot of Democrats became afraid. It doesn’t matter if it was just a co-incidence or not, it made acting according to one’s conscience appear dangerous.

  • shah8

    I wonder what Michael Ledeen has to say, these days. Did picking up some random country… work for us?

  • DocAmazing

    At least it gave the Guardian the chance to uncork the phrase “ISIS crisis”.

  • Steve LaBonne

    New rule: Blair must always be referred to as “the odious Tony Blair”.

    • Aimai

      I think the right phrase is “oleaginous coiffed mouthful of teeth.”

  • Hogan

    Below is a list of topics on which I would like to hear from Tony Blair.

    Above is a list of topics on which I would like to hear from Tony Blair.

  • Shakezula

    1. Bush II.
    2. The rest of his War Criminal Crew.

    • Just a Rube

      I was kinda horrified to turn on NPR the other day and hear them interviewing Donald Rumsfeld about the situation in Iraq.

    • Manju

      George II has a sense of decency. I mean, this is the kind of stuff great bartenders are made of. There’s a reason he always won the “who would you rather have a beer with” thing.

      • Origami Isopod, Commisar [sic] of Ideology for the Bolsheviks

        George II has a sense of decency.

        That’s… a really, really generous way to put it.

        • Pat

          Yeah, I don’t agree either.

  • mark

    Tony Blair works for the Carlyle Group.

    He is scum. We need to get in the face of anyone giving these warmongers/profiteers ink or airtime. Its on them this time.

    • Manju

      Tony Blair works for the Carlyle Group

      A quick google brings up only nutty-left sources. u got anything more substantive?

      • Origami Isopod, Commisar [sic] of Ideology for the Bolsheviks

        Sourcewatch is only “nutty-left” if you’re a lolbertarian.

        • Manju

          Well, they don’t mention Blair on the page you link.

  • joe from Lowell

    Whoa. Blair sez:

    “What we now know from Syria is that Assad, without any detection from the west, was manufacturing chemical weapons. We only discovered this when he used them.

    Wait…what?

    The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom didn’t know that Syria had chemical weapons until August 2013? Really?

  • Johnny Sack

    Blair makes Cameron look like a Rhodes Scholar.

    • joe from Lowell

      I don’t think stupidity can explain Blair at this point, but rather, pride.

      He cannot have been wrong, and the people he’s smarter than right. It cannot be, so he’s created this world in which he was right all along. It takes a few leaps, but that’s a small price to pay.

  • R. Johnston

    If Tony Blair has something to say about Iraq, you know with absolute certainty that he’s wrong. That may not tell you what’s right, but it’s still useful information that you should want to hear. And mock. And offer as part of your lamentations on the uselessness of Tony Blair’s ilk for anything other than prominently announcing the idiocy of anyone who thinks that his ilk aren’t idiots.

  • jkay

    =
    Remember, you could be a UK Labour member, in which case it’d be 1000x worse….

    Iraq is BACK among the neocon, like Shrub. Both had been gone for six years. Now, Kagan’s started in on, well, why care if I might’ve been wrong? Though, nukemonger on the Cuban Missile and no doubt plenty since, nuked world might feel a tad different.

    Clinton dealt with ex Yugoslavia well, because he dealt for the first time with one of the world’s big evils, ethnic cleansing. He also did did Iraq right, bombing instead of invading, in a way that David Kay thought discouraged Saddam from more WMD research.

    DenBeste has turned to harmless anime blogging. Though I can’t remember any apologies, still he’s no longer a warmonger and has changed URLs, which rather says he’s not into political blogging using his name.

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