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What better way to celebrate treason than with a raffle?

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The first-ever political demonstration at the Alamo — besides, you know, that one — ended as you might expect it to: with a raffle.

Because nothing says “America is a meritocracy!” more than a game of chance in which the winner obtains enough firepower to take out the losers.

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  • I would have been more impressed if they had offered a vaginal probe as the door prize.

    I mean, these people already have gunZ. Offer them something that truly makes a statement about menZ freedumb.

    • Anonymous

      Just like me, you don’t get to pick and choose which constitutional civil rights to honor and which not to.

      You don’t get to do that.

      • Yeah, but he doesn’t throw nearly as many tantrums about it.

  • anthrofred

    Rawstory calls the rally “unprecedented”, and AJA covered this on their frontpage as if it was something altogether new. What is it about this particular rally of 200 people that makes it special in terms of media coverage?

    The rhetoric is, of course, completely terrifying. “Molon labe”, for fuck’s sake people, settle down.

    • Sly

      Rawstory calls the rally “unprecedented”, and AJA covered this on their frontpage as if it was something altogether new. What is it about this particular rally of 200 people that makes it special in terms of media coverage?

      “The first-ever political demonstration at the Alamo”

      The guy in charge of the Texas General Land Office, which took over the site a couple of years ago, is waiving aside criticism of the approval with some simple-minded presentism (“Men who have been dead for 175 years would surely agree with our modern political platform!”), but the fact of the matter is he’s running for Lieutenant Governor and needs the support of the Mouth-Breathing Mongrel Idiot demographic in order to win the GOP primary next year.

    • SEK

      Rawstory calls the rally “unprecedented”

      Well, technically I called it “unprecedented,” and I did indicate why it was in the first few graphs.

      • anthrofred

        Right, my reply was especially poorly phrased. Obviously, it’s the first time something like this has happened at The Alamo. But we’ve had pro-gun demos before, and I don’t think this was an unexpected event; at any rate, the turnout was quite low. You have to dig pretty deep to find coverage on FOX News or CNN, but AJA is still running with it as their frontpage.

        Really, on second thought, I’m making a pretty banal observation/asking a non-particularly-interesting question here, and I can see that. Carry on.

        • ChrisTS

          I think the question is fine. And the answer is straightforward: these people are shitting on their own purportedly-sacred heritage to make a stink about the current discussion of their pet issue. The Alamo was always protected from this kind of political theater. Now, it’s not.

          • BruceJ

            Yeah, they should restrict those demonstrations to ones for lawbreaking illegal immigrants, just like the original gringos at the Alamo.

            And make sure that they’re doing this so they can keep humans as livestock.

            Just to be historically accurate, you know.

            • ChrisTS

              Yeah, the whole “Remember the Alamo” schtick is dreadful, given the facts on the ground.

              • Lurker

                Yep, especially considering that in the case of Alamo, we actually had a group of determined, armed people who were prepared to die for their views. This should be a poster baby case for those who love their “second amendment remedies”.

                What happened? The Mexican army won the battle and the insurgents were killed.

                • Anonymous

                  What happened? The Mexican army won the battle and the insurgents were killed.

                  Few celebrate losses.

                  This one is celebrated because it was the turning point of the war. The battle bought the precious time needed for the Texans and eventually win the war.

              • I’ve always assumed that we were supposed to remember the Alamo as a cautionary tale of racism, hubris, and stupidity.

                • Tristan

                  Racism?

                  Weren’t like 90% of the Texans people at the Alamo of hispanic descent?

                  Not pass-agg trolling, legitimate question as to what I’m missing.

                • I’ll give you a better answer than I give trolls:

                  1. Most of the population of Texas at the time of the Alamo was white, and most of those whites were from the U.S.

                  2. The rebellion of the white Texans against the Mexican government followed a number of laws being enacted in 1830 and shortly after including, specifically, greater control of provinces by the central government and a ban on slavery.

                • Tristan

                  Had no idea about the slavery thing, though while waiting for a reply I guessed it might be something like that when I thought about the date. Thanks for not forcing me to google like one of those awful not-lazy people.

                • No sweat.

    • My Latin is minuscule, but doesn’t Moron lave mean “wash, idiot”?

      • Tiny Hermaphrodite, Esq.

        It’s all greek to me.

  • You know, I like guns and own several, but it’s like a fucking religion for some of these people.

    You do realize that after they downsize you and send your job overseas you’re going to have sell your damn guns to pay the mortgage anyways.

    While you’re sitting there worried about imaginary-Hitler your guns won’t protect you from the things that are actually going to hurt you.

    • “I didn’t like it at all because you don’t know who you’re dealing with. You don’t know who these people are.”

      Well, ma’am, yes, yes you do know who you’re dealing with; you do know who these people are. Alas.

      • Hogan

        So run like hell. Serpentine.

    • guthrie

      You mean it’s a crime to shoot the people coming to reposess your house?

      • If they work for people who are richer than you, yes.

    • Helmut Monotreme

      Wait, guns can’t cure cancer? They can’t fix unemployment, or depression or assholes who want to privatize social security? They won’t protect me from falls in the bathroom or traffic accidents or drowning? A gun leaves me totally vulnerable to heart attacks, strokes and the heartbreak of psoriasis? If that’s really the case, I think they have been oversold.

  • efgoldman

    Well, according to writers called out on Poltical Animal this morning, we’re all gonna’ end up like Texas:

    Cowen describes how life in Texas is changing, and suggests that the rest of the country will gradually start to resemble Texas more and more: increasing disparities in wealth, a smaller and weaker middle class, people giving up on their ambitions, people living off nothing in 20-by-20 houses built out of scrap metal in the middle of the desert. Cowen doesn’t seem particularly alarmed by these dystopian predictions, and in any case, he feels that our future will be shaped by inexorable economic forces, so he suggests we simply start preparing for it.

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2013_10/texas_on_my_mind047420.php

    • Malaclypse

      Whenever you find yourself taking Tyler Cowen seriously, remember that he approving cites Megan McArdle.

      • Gregor Sansa

        People pointing to stopped clocks are not necessarily stupid. And even if they are, they probably do stupider things.

        • Malaclypse

          Oh, I’m not saying Cowen is stupid. I’m saying he’s a shameless hack.

          • Tiny Hermaphrodite, Esq.

            Nah, he is a true believer in the one true god: Capitalism.

            • Anonymous

              Capitalism

              There is no other system that has produced more wealth that capitalism. Even the poor are ‘rich’ in world terms in capitalistic nations.

              why do you think the Chinese are garnering power….socialism??

              • Cody

                Discussion of the merits of Capitalism aside – you shouldn’t worship it.

                If socialism or capitalism is your one true god you are a fucked up person. These are tools. These are techniques for an ends.

                If your goal in life is to make America to capitalistic – f*ck you. My goal in life is to make people’s lives better.

                • Anonymous

                  If your goal in life is to make America to capitalistic – f*ck you.

                  Errr….that is exactly how this country was designed. Anything else is, by definition, UnAmerican.

                  My goal in life is to make people’s lives better.

                  Jobs and a really good economy will do more to make lives better than welfare program the government will do for them.

                  There is a reason why the US is rich and it ain’t because of the efforts of the socialists.

                  Your confusion about is caused by a belief that society and government are the exactly the same thing.

                • Errr….that is exactly how this country was designed. Anything else is, by definition, UnAmerican.

                  I’m shocked to discover that Jennfier’s history of America is based mostly on fairy tales. I’m sorry reality doesn’t contain enough thoughtless hero worship for you, Jenny.

              • DrDick

                Nor has any other system, other than feudalism, produced so much inequality and suffering. Remember that our capitalism created and maintains the poverty, suffering, and misery of the third world.

                • Edmund

                  I would take out ‘poverty’ with flatscreen TVs, EIB cards, Sec 8 housing, WIC, food stamps, Obamaphones, etc. over Cuba’s or Venezuela’s poverty any day of the week.

                • Yeah, but that’s because yo’re a dumb baby who wouldn’t survive a week impoverished.

                • Tristan

                  Actually, if we’re measuring purely by wealth, feudalism was far more equal than unfettered modern capitalism.

              • Tiny Hermaphrodite, Esq.

                Actually you’re wrong pure capitalism hasn’t produced that, it was mixed economies with democratic governments. These are more successful than either poor capitalism (which is possible in dictatorships) or planned economies. Also all evidence points to the need of any succesful economy for regulation and occasional intervention. And politics always comes before economic concerns which should be secondary.
                Finally liberalism, social democracy, socialism and communism are quite distinct things and are only equated by idiots.

                Oh, and neither political nor economic orders should be worshipped. That’s a mistake the communists made and western conservatives and neoliberals are repeating.

                • Tiny Hermaphrodite, Esq.

                  poor s/b pure

                  By the FSM we need an edit function. Do you hear me Scott?

                • Anonymous

                  Also all evidence points to the need of any succesful economy for regulation and occasional intervention.

                  Yes, you are correct.

                  It’s a strawman to think that this country was designed with no business laws or no need for them.

                  But strawmen are fun for this crowd!!!

                • Tiny Hermaphrodite, Esq.

                  Nice that you see the wisdom of my position JenBob. However I think you err when you ascribe positions vastly different from mine to the LGM regulars.

                  Also, can we agree that many sectors of the US economy are at the moment under- or wrongly regulated especially finance and that the country has an infrastructure deficit it should adress now because interest is low and the economy is still in dire need of stimulus because of the demand gap?

                • Edmund

                  Also, can we agree that many sectors of the US economy are at the moment under- or wrongly regulated especially finance…

                  We can agree on this part, yes.

                  I seen no reason why the price of corn or soybeans is determined market, but the price of borrowing money is determined by a few in a smokey room. Or, why the federal government is in the mortgage market business.

                  We agree that there is a place for government. We just disagree what that role should be.

                • ajay

                  I seen no reason why the price of corn or soybeans is determined market, but the price of borrowing money is determined by a few in a smokey room.

                  Well, whenever I’m looking for an example of a market in which price-setting happens through supply and demand rather than government intervention, it’s always corn that comes to mind.

              • Tristan

                There is no other system that has produced more wealth that capitalism.

                Well if it generates wealth surely that moots all criticism, especially when the criticism is that it tends to perpetuate exactly the sort of mindset that thinks that.

    • Ahuitzotl

      inexorable economic forces = decisions of our plutocratic betters that we should just lie down and accept because they are the only economic force that matters

  • JL

    Oh man, and I was at the Alamo only a couple of weeks ago. Would have made it more interesting, in terms of stories to tell later, if this thing had been going on.

    Also, is there nothing that Alex Jones won’t use for self-promotion?

    • Tiny Hermaphrodite, Esq.

      No there is nothing. That’s another stupid question answered.

  • Davis

    “Cradle of Texas liberty” my ass. Liberty to own slaves.

  • Elihawk

    “Oh great. Now, they show up.” – W. Travis

  • Next time, instead of a raffle maybe they could have a
    putting contest!

  • heckblazer

    I dunno, I think a better way to celebrate treason would be to have a gun rights march at the site of the murder of a US president.

  • owlbear1

    How many years now has Jones been begging; at rallies and on the radio, for someone, anyone in the Government to ‘come get’ him?

    It must be tough for event organizers who have to book him for a speech. Always having to build a ‘secret backdoor’ that Jones can use to sneak out of the venue after he ‘risks it all’ on stage.

  • Anonymous

    I’m really not getting the “treason” argument at all since Texas was not the US, but Mexico.

    How does that work.

    • Well, see, Texas was Mexico, and the treason was against Mexico, for trying to secede by force of arms. Get it?

      • And if Jim Bowie hadn’t been drunk those Messicans would have never raped him neither.

      • Edmund

        …Texas was Mexico, and the treason was against Mexico, for trying to secede by force of arms. Get it?

        I see…

        The problem is the Texians won and when you win, you’re freedom fighters. Another good example would be the American Revolution and the French Revolution.

        By your standards, these were all treasonous.

        I guess I would have to embrace that kind of treason.

        • Treason doth never prosper.
          What’s the reason?
          When it doth prosper,
          None dare call it treason.

          So where do you stand on the Russian Revolution, gospodin?

        • Ronan

          re The Amerian Revolution

          well, you probably wouldnt have had slavery. Would have a functioning nationwide health system. You could probably add a couple of grand on to the medium wage. You would have disovered the hoover. And you’d spell labour correctly

          on the negatives, you’d be a nation of binge drinkers. The weather would be awful. Dental plans wouldnt exist. Niether would that positive outlook on life and general optimism. And you’d spell colour incorrectly

          also Christopher Hitchens would be one of your own

          On the hypothetial of a reverse of the Texas war and a Mexican takeover of the US, well..

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