Time to arm the union thugs!

The comment of the day goes to Sly:

So I’m a teacher. According to conservative orthodoxy, I’m a parasite on the public’s dime who is only interested in indoctrinating the precious children of America into communism or atheism or whatever. I can’t be trusted to have any control over the curriculum I teach. I can’t be trusted to fairly and impartially evaluate my students, let alone my colleagues. I can’t be trusted to have collective bargaining rights. I can’t be trusted to have an objective view of governmental policy when it comes to my own profession.

But they’ll trust me to keep a gun in a room filled with children.

Even the cynicism-producing neurons of my prefrontal cortex can’t wrap themselves around this kind of stupid bullshit.

158 comments on this post.
  1. joe from Lowell:

    I think the gun lobby has adopted a trolling strategy: say something so stupid and offensive that everyone refutes that, instead of making the affirmative case for gun control.

    Even if they lose the “arm the teachers” argument, they win if that is the type of discussion we have.

  2. BigHank53:

    A similarly worthwhile comment from another teacher.

  3. Anna in PDX:

    Yes, I think this is exactly what’s going on.

  4. laura:

    Investigators informed relatives that [Soto] was killed while shielding her first-graders from danger. She reportedly hid some students in a bathroom or closet, ensuring they were safe, a cousin, Jim Wiltsie, told ABC News.

    “She was trying to shield, get her children into a closet and protect them from harm,” Wiltsie told ABC. “And by doing that, put herself between the gunman and the children.”

    Union thug.

  5. Ahistoricality:

    Actually, this could be a really clever strategy: encourage gun-owners – who they associate with conservatives – to become teachers “out of a sense of responsibility” and alter the political make-up of the teaching population. Get the same access to young, malleable minds as the liberals!

    And, since we know gun owners become more conservative because they stop using parts of their brain, some of the teachers who take up guns as a result would become less liberal, less union-friendly themselves….

    Basically, it’s a “make everyone like us, whether they want to be or not” strategy.

  6. Incontinentia Buttocks:

    Here in Oklahoma, my friend’s kid’s fifth-grade teacher actually told her class yesterday that she carries a gun with her wherever she goes, other than the school (but only because that would violate the law) and that she’s happy that the state just passed a law allowing open carry of weapons (which she apparently plans to take advantage of). So there’s at least one teacher out there who shares the gun-nut view of these things.

  7. Dana Houle:

    Assuming Lanza’s mom was some kind of teacher, we already tried arming the teacher. It didn’t work out so well.

  8. DrDick:

    Unless things have changed dramatically for the better (and all the changes I am aware of have been in the other direction) since I left 25 years ago, she is far from alone.

  9. joe from Lowell:

    Just imagine living you like carrying a gun everywhere – the need to be constantly vigilant and responsible over, literally, a potential matter of life and death. I’m constantly patting myself to make sure I have my phone.

    I don’t understand why you’d do that to yourself, unless you get off on that.

  10. joe from Lowell:

    living your life, that is

  11. Dr. Waffle:

    Gary Wills nailed it today.

  12. Linnaeus:

    You know, I hadn’t thought of that, but you just might be right.

  13. Linnaeus:

    A society in which “security” is defined such that every citizen would do as you describe is not a “free” society. It’s a dystopia.

  14. MAJeff:

    The Uni where I used to teach has an “empty holster” week, where all the crackers on campus wear empty holsters to illustrate how they would carry guns on campus if they were allowed to.

  15. arguingwithsignposts:

    Thanks for pointing to that piece. I don’t usually travel that part of the Web and surely would have missed it.

  16. Sly:

    I appreciate the highlight, but this is seriously bugging the hell out of me.

    I spent most of my life in a lily-white suburb of Long Island. I understand the reptilian urges that produce the wide assortment of conservative thinking, because I come from an environment that was built by it and is saturated with it. Hell, my life is largely the direct result of the same set of privileges modern conservatism exists to defend, save the religious nuttery and to a certain extent the anti-educator sentiment, and I can wrap my mind around those things. I can even comprehend conservative gun orthodoxy; a person paranoid enough to feel the need to carry a weapon on their person at all times will undoubtedly be paranoid enough to deem even tepid discussions about gun control as a tyrannical attempt to curtail their liberty that must be opposed. It’s psychotic, but it’s consistent.

    But this… this is an incomprehensibly moronic display of cognitive dissonance.

  17. tt:

    This is a general feature of the conservative mindset, though. The state should be trusted with the power to imprison, torture and kill but isn’t competent enough to run the post office.

  18. DrDick:

    Oh, and evidently this just happened in my hometown. It would not appear that anything has improved.

  19. Ken:

    And imagine how much worse it is with open carry, when you can look around and see all those guns, every one of them a threat to you. Fortunately there’s stand-your-ground laws, in case you need to preemptively protect yourself.

    If only there were some easy way to tell the dangerous armed thugs from the law-abiding upright citizens protecting themselves.

  20. John:

    Who is this supposed to persuade?

  21. Malaclypse:

    Utterly off topic, but I was asked about accounting stories recently. Since this was the sort of thing I’d normally expect to happen to SEK, I’ll hijack his thread:

    So, yesterday was our annual 401(k) audit. I have all my info, all organized, everything has gone well thus far. Then::
    Auditor: One of the things we’re adding this year is we’d like to ask an employee how they feel about the plan you offer.
    Me: Okay, sounds good [calls in co-worker just outside my office].
    Auditor: We’d just like to ask you if you have any problems or concerns with the 401(k) pl
    an you have here.
    Co-Worker: Actually, I do.
    Me: [OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT]
    Auditor: What are they?
    Co-Worker: I want to know how come Obama is going to be able to take my 401(k) money to fund ObamaCare.
    Me: [WHAT HAPPENED TO MY WELL-PREPPED AUDIT? HOW THE HELL CAN THIS BE HAPPENING?]
    Auditor: I’m not sure what you mean.
    Co-Worker: Obama is going to take my 401(k) money and give it to people on welfare. How can that be legal?
    Me: [WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO MY AUDIT? DID YOU NOTICE ME SPENDING ALL WEEK GETTING READY FOR IT? I EVEN ASKED YOU FOR A THREE-RING BINDER! DO THREE-RING BINDERS MEAN NOTHING TO YOU?]
    Auditor: I keep pretty well up-to-date on changes to 401(k) laws, and I don’t think that’s likely to happen.
    Co-Worker: I only know what I hear, and I hear stuff like this a lot.
    Auditor: Maybe we need to narrow the question a bit…

  22. Eli Rabett:

    What is not debatable is that the presence of so many guns in the US makes the tragedies of mass shootings inevitable. Claims that everyone carrying would prevent these things from happening are simple wishful thinking to avoid moral responsibility

    While IEHO the arguments made by the gun lovers are a load of self justifying crap, the plain fact is that none of the people making those arguments will own up to the consequences. They are moral scum for not doing so. Make no mistake about it, the death of those children, the shooting of Congressman Giffords, the many people killed by firearms in the US are a result of our policy on gun ownership, and an honest debate about gun ownership starts with acknowledging the consequences.

    One can only hope that John Roberts, Anthony Kennedy, Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia go to bed to night feeling a bit guilty and worrying about the safety of their grandchildren.

  23. rm:

    Just start shooting and the ones who shoot back are dangerous thugs.

    But if someone shoots at you, shoot back because you are an upright law-abiding citizen.

  24. xxy:

    I hope to goddess gun control is a major issue in the 2014 midterms. Sadly I think it will be fresh in the public’s mind. It would be nice if it was on politicians’ minds as well.

  25. somethingblue:

    Or the DMV.

  26. Green Caboose:

    Very possibly there is a very smart NRA propagandist who is thinking exactly that way.

    However, I guarantee that in bar and family discussions all over the US now the NRA wingnuts are arguing for teacher armament fully believing exactly what they are saying – and without a single thought to the contradiction in their attitude toward teachers cited by the comment that started this post.

    Furthermore, it has always been thus. In my wingnut small town in 1980 the teachers went on strike and you would have thought it was the Soviets invading the country the way the wingnut farmers reacted. Yet for all the vitriol and hatred they displayed towards the teachers at the public school board meeting (literally attended by 1/10th of the county) they all fully expected to go back to sending their kids to attend those teachers classes. No contradiction in their minds whatsoever.

    Therefore, because the average wingnut thinks this way, and recent events have taught us that even the wingnut leaders who we thought were about that kind of thinking usually actually do think that way, I kinda doubt that the NRA is that far thinking. They are just reacting with their testosterone again.

  27. somethingblue:

    Here is Scalia feeling a bit guilty and worrying about the safety of his grandchildren.

  28. rm:

    Arming the students at the university level is the other side of the arm-the-teachers issue. My university is the latest to endure a proposal to allow concealed weapons. For people with a permit but not a concealed-carry permit, they would be allowed to have their guns in their cars. Because cars on a big campus are never broken into. Because no one who legally owns a gun would be the bad guy who decides to go crazy.

    So now I may have to teach classes full of people who think that I am “a parasite on the public’s dime who is only interested in indoctrinating the precious children of America into communism or atheism or whatever” knowing that some of them are armed. That won’t have any effect on my willingness to speak freely, no sir.

    If I doubted that some students think of professors as elite liberal ivory tower snobs who want to trample on their constitutional rights, the online open forum discussing this proposal would disabuse me.

  29. Oy:

    You all need to get a life. Stop kissing obozo a ass

  30. Mister Harvest:

    I made it three paragraphs in before losing it. Thank you for the link (no sarcasm).

  31. Mister Harvest:

    I’m convinced.

  32. joe from Lowell:

    I disagree.

    I think the NRA leadership herds those people like sheep.

  33. jon:

    Alright, let’s arm all the teachers. And all the other staff and administrators too. I’m sure the voters will be happy to come up with the taxes to purchase the guns. And the ammunition. And to fund training, target practice and certification. Or maybe the Feds will spring for the money. I’d be up for it, if it came out of Homeland Security and we could send some airport gropers back to making cheeseburgers incorrectly at Mickey Dee’s.

    But why stop there? Some of those janitors and lunch ladies are a little swarthier than I’m really comfortable with. They could be a sleeper alQaeda cell and over power the teachers. We’d better make sure all the students are also armed. Glocks for everyone. OK, maybe not for the really young kids. The Glocks might be bigger and heavier than they could really manage. K-2 kids will be issued Derringers.

  34. Murc:

    and that she’s happy that the state just passed a law allowing open carry of weapons

    Maybe this is just me, but I’ve always sort of felt that if you’re going to allow people to carry weapons at all, they should be REQUIRED to carry them openly, so people can decide if they want to be near the armed person or not. Gun laws that allow conceal carry but forbid open carry baffle me.

  35. somethingblue:

    Agreed. I will never kiss obozo a ass again.

  36. joe from Lowell:

    Is that the worst possible PR move in the history of human society, or what?

    “Jezzus, look at these people! I don’t want them walking around armed!”

  37. Murc:

    No offense to your co-worker, but I would question how someone that obviously idiotic could be trusted to mop your floors, let alone preform a job in what I’m assuming is a white collar environment.

    Actually, I kind of do mean offense.

  38. joe from Lowell:

    Nice picture in that article.

    That is some fine prison-meets-strip-mall Oklahoma suburban school architecture right there.

  39. joe from Lowell:

    Utterly off topic,

    But Mal! When will we ever get to talk about gun laws?!?

  40. Steve:

    I was frankly shocked when I first heard that people held this belief. Nearly every teacher I know works their ass off under terrible conditions for relatively little money to educate mostly under-parented children. I vote for nearly every bond issue.

  41. obozo a ass:

    But I thought there was something truly special between us!

  42. joe from Lowell:

    In the 2006 elections, the Republicans made immigration an issue – which is a nice way of saying that indulged in some pretty vile immigrant-bashing – because they were political geniouses, and hoo boy did they know a winner when they saw one.

    You might remember the very scary brown people who marched in Chicgao are will surely kill us all.

    Or maybe you don’t, because it was an epic failure, and helped set the stage for the advantage among Latinos, Asians, and other minority communities that the Democrats enjoy today.

    Tell me something: if the public were to be polarized over the issue of gun politics right now, which side do you think blue collar suburban women from Ohio would end up on?

  43. joe from Lowell:

    Stop kissing obozo a ass

    Mast head.

    You need to get a life, Farley.

  44. joe from Lowell:

    I’m sure the voters will be happy to come up with the taxes to purchase the guns.

    We don’t need no Art class.

  45. Joel Patterson:

    Terrible news today. When will politicians find courage to ban automatic weapons?As in Oz after similar tragedy.— Rupert Murdoch(@rupertmurdoch) <a href="https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/279759365328732161&quot;

  46. Linnaeus:

    Me: Don’t worry, Obamacare won’t affect your right to fuck goats.

    Mal’s Co-worker: What? I don’t fuck goats! Where did you get that idea?

    Me: I only know what I hear, and I hear this stuff a lot.

  47. Swordsmith:

    It’s actually similar to racism – no one thinks their kid’s teacher is one of “them.” I’m reminded of the whole John Rocker racist screed about NYC blacks, when it apparently never occurred to him that his best friend and roommate was black.

  48. DrDick:

    Except the town of 30K is 50 miles from the nearest bigger city, Tulsa, with nothing but prairie in between.

  49. DrDick:

    More reasons I am glad I work in academia and not in business. Of course a lot of our students are like that as well.

  50. DrDick:

    Have you ever even seen one? I have heard rumors that they exist, but have never seen one in the wild. Maybe they like waffles.

  51. Davis X. Machina:

    That’s Phillips Petroleum, isn’t it? For a while, when Conoco/Phillips were sponsoring the National Forensics League, all my mail from them came out of Bartlesville.

  52. Major Kong:

    It’ll really be fun the first time a car backfires and sends them all shooting at each other.

  53. NonyNony:

    It’s compartmental thought processes. The proper conservative response to unions is to hate them and consider their members lazy good for nothing losers at worst, or foolish dupes of union bosses at best. But the proper conservative response to gun violence is that “more guns” in the hands of the victims would have prevented the violence. When the two pieces of religious thought interact with each other, you get bizarre results.

  54. Dana Houle:

    Ahh, but you know, the Militia Act of 1792 mandated that militia members arm themselves. Kind of like mandating that you purchase insurance, but without subsidizing your purchase.

  55. Hogan:

    I only know what I hear, and I hear stuff like this a lot.

    As a union steward, let us welcome each other to our world. The sky looks blue to me, but accounts vary.

  56. Mister Harvest:

    You win.

  57. expatchad:

    But testosterone implies gonads….and fearful NRA fanatics do not otherwise demonstrate possession thereof

  58. swearyanthony:

    Wait Mal works with Mickey Kaus? Actually, has anyone checked what the goat whisperer has to say on the subject of arming teachers?

  59. DrDick:

    It was the national headquarters of Phillips until they merged with Conoco and moved to Houston. Conoco was based about 60-70 miles west in Ponca City, where my sister lives. My father was a research engineer for Phillips.

  60. somethingblue:

    A gentleman never tells.

  61. swearyanthony:

    Adler turns up at the CT thread where further mockery of Volokh’s Modest Proposal to plead for civil discourse. Dsquared deals with him appropriately. http://crookedtimber.org/2012/12/15/shorter-eugene-volokh/

  62. DocAmazing:

    When you’ve lost the Australopissncuss…

  63. expatchad:

    Hands down.

  64. expatchad:

    oy! VEY!

  65. expatchad:

    Art has CLASS?

  66. Jewish Steel:

    The comment of the day goes to Sly

    Wait, all of my favorite B-J commenters are over here? Since when?

  67. S_noe:

    Thirding the thanks to DrW for that link.

    (Wills did some righteous, er, hippie-punching on the Obama question earlier this year that LGM readers might love/hate.)

  68. xxy:

    I have a hard time believing that a majority of women in any demographic, even blue collar suburban ones from Ohio, would choose guns everywhere and dead kids over gun control and living kids.

  69. Pestilence:

    Yeah but he skips them mostly

  70. redrob64:

    I may have told this story before, but when I attended new hire training a dozen years ago, we had a session with the Deputy Attorney General in which the question of guns on campus came up. The DAG informed us that guns were banned on campus by state law, but that the AG’s office had no intention of prosecuting any student for a simple violation of the ban because they were not sure that it would stand up to judicial scrutiny under the state constitution. This led someone to ask about faculty carrying on campus, to which the reply was that we were bound to obey the ban as a condition of employment by the state. Someone then shouted out incredulously “You mean our students can be armed, but we won’t be able to shoot back?!” I still don’t know if that was meant as a joke.

  71. LemmyCaution:

    Merit pay for armed teachers!

  72. xxy:

    Oh look, I turn on the TV and Newport Beach police just arrested a man who fired 50 shots in a mall. Thankfully nobody was hurt. Immigration is an amorphous threat, and I don’t think people are worried about protests actually accomplishing anything. Dead white people though? Scary as fuck, useful as a political weapon. Like in, say, the 2002 midterms, the first election after 9/11. If something isn’t done, and I don’t think House Republicans are really going to do anything, there will be plenty of dead white people to go around come November 2014.

  73. Snarki, child of Loki:

    Hey, those liberal unionized teacher thugs are going to NEED those guns in the classroom.

    Come the Revolution, that is. When the ConserviTards are rounded up to be sent to FEMA camps, donchaknow.

    Keep it on the down-low, the NRA is helping the cause, however unwittingly.

  74. expatchad:

    ack!

  75. Snarki, child of Loki:

    Uh oh, somebody’s going to have a new nickname ’round the office!

  76. Snarki, child of Loki:

    Word on the street is that Scalia was spotting fleeing from the scene of the Newtown shooting.

    I only know what I hear, and I hear stuff like this a lot.

  77. Malaclypse:

    I would question how someone that obviously idiotic could be trusted to mop your floors, let alone preform a job in what I’m assuming is a white collar environment.

    Because her beliefs are far closer to the typical CEO’s, and certainly closer to our particular owner’s, than mine are. Batshit wingnutty office managers are a dime a dozen. Quaker socialist CFOs, not so much.

    Besides, how different is this from the widespread belief that Obama has raised taxes?

  78. Malaclypse:

    This was, to me, the sad part. 401(k) auditors are, in my experience, shockingly specialized and well-informed. And I’m sure she walked away still convinced Obama was gonna give her 401(k) to the negros.

  79. Speak Truth:

    I’m a parasite on the public’s dime who is only interested in indoctrinating the precious children of America into communism or atheism or whatever. I can’t be trusted to have any control over the curriculum I teach. I can’t be trusted to fairly and impartially evaluate my students, let alone my colleagues.

    Best Strawman Evahhhhhhh….

  80. Speak Truth:

    It’s actually similar to racism…

    Yes, it’s *exactly* like ‘racism’ only completely different.

  81. Uncle Kvetch:

    Obama was gonna give her 401(k) to the negros.

    If my right-wing cousin on Facebook is any indication, this “story” made the rounds a couple of weeks ago. He posted something about “Obama is coming after your 401(k) next,” and when I googled “Obama 401(k)” I found literally dozens of wingnut sites all circulating the same utterly fact-free story, and nothing else.

  82. Uncle Kvetch:

    Dsquared deals with him appropriately.

    That was so gratifying: “Who the hell do you think you are?” And so well-deserved.

  83. Uncle Kvetch:

    I’m not really in the mood for pancakes today. Two eggs over easy and a couple slices of multigrain toast, nice and simple.

  84. Malaclypse:

    Following your google, I’m stunned to see that this seems to have started with the normally very well-researched Jerome Corsi.

  85. Joseph Slater:

    Exactly right. People like teachers, hate the unions those teachers form.

  86. Joseph Slater:

    Shhhhh. . . !!! That plan is supposed to be secret.

  87. Joseph Slater:

    No, it’s an appropriately indignant way of pointing out the comical disconnect between the right-wing talking points of “teachers are incompetent (at best), their unions are thuggish, and we need to cut their pensions, workplace rights, and argue that the public schools are destroying society” on the one hand, and “let’s arm those same teachers!” on the other.

  88. Bill Murray:

    horns up

  89. DrDick:

    I cannot be certain, but I would imagine that the universe of socialist CFOs, outside of Mondragon and other cooperatives, is vanishingly small.

  90. Bill Murray:

    well, sb can kiss other obozo parts, just not one’s that resemble Wayne LaPierre

  91. pseudonymous in nc:

    Exactly. It’s time to refuse to play these reindeer games.

  92. David Nieporent:

    I just think it a hilarious parody of liberalism that when someone proposes allowing or encouraging teachers to be armed, the first thing you think of is that the government should buy guns and give them to all the teachers.

  93. David Nieporent:

    Yes, it’s typical of what passes for intelligence on the left.

  94. DrDick:

    So as a Principled Libertarian ™, you would demand that they spend several hundred dollars to purchase firearms themselves as a precondition for employment? Good to know.

  95. DrDick:

    As opposed to the insanity and incoherence of the right (most aptly demonstrated by yourself in this thread)?

  96. DrDick:

    You want an egg on that intellectual hash?

  97. joe from Lowell:

    That was what Reynolds wrote about, you tool.

    I think it’s a hilarious parody of conservatism that you couldn’t be bothered to get the facts right, and just checked your gut to find out what was going on.

  98. spencer:

    Mickey Kaus could tell you all about them. Suffice it to say, his experience with an obozo left him very disappointed.

  99. spencer:

    If by “hilarious parody” you mean “completely straightforward representation.”

  100. spencer:

    Or any thread in which he shows up.

  101. spencer:

    In what way(s) does it differ from the standard right-wing line on public school teachers?

    Be specific. Use examples. Your work will be evaluated on clarity, accuracy, and logic.

  102. Roger Ailes:

    “But they’ll trust me to keep a gun in a room filled with children.”

    No, they’ll fire your ass and trust an ideologue who’s willing to work for half your salary and who thinks violence is a solution to every problem in a room filled with children.

  103. Sharculese:

    Oh no, the babby is upset that two of his tantrums have collided!

  104. Hogan:

    Looks like perfect gun nut logic to me: they suggest we might want to do this nice little thing over here, which OBVIOUSLY means they really intend to do that great big horrible thing over there.

  105. Hogan:

    And right on time, I see a sidebar ad saying “Rollover [sic] Your 401(k) into Gold.” You might want to pass that on to your office manager.

  106. JKTHs:

    Conservatives and especially libertarians absolutely hate unfunded mandates…except when they don’t at all

  107. David Nieporent:

    I don’t see anywhere where Reynolds wrote any such thing; that’s neither on the Instapundit site nor the USAToday column that he wrote that was linked to. (The one that quoted Burroughs.)

    Eugene Volokh was the one who discussed the thought experiment of arming teachers, and he wrote, “why not take some of your existing employees — teachers, administrators, and the like — and offer them a deal: They’d go through some modest training and subjected to basic background checks, and in exchange they’d be given the right to carry the same guns that the security guards would have had. Not “given the guns.”

  108. jon:

    So, teachers should be required to purchase firearms and ammunition with their own money? And get trained and take target practice on their own time? And this on the heels of trying to cut their pay, break their unions, and reduce pension and health benefits? Sounds like a winner to me.

    Do we make the police buy their own guns, tasers and billy clubs? Maybe firemen should have to buy their own hoses and ladders, and the rescue squad their own ambulances and bandages?

    Maybe you’re just saying that government operations should only proceed on the basis of unfunded mandates? If I was a teacher being made to take on extra tasks and responsibilities, I’d insist on being provided with the proper tools and training, and also want a bump in pay to recognize the additional effort and skill being demanded.

    You’re right, no more money grubbing, worthless teaching parasites. We’ll just put the heavy iron in the hands of the kids. They’re the leaders of tomorrow and it’s high time they learned to take a little responsibility. Besides, they’ve all got great eyesight, quick reaction times and nimble little fingers.

  109. Hogan:

    So the teachers who volunteer for this are being offered no incentive other than “the right to carry.” Yeah, hard to see how that could go wrong.

  110. Uncle Kvetch:

    Yes, it’s typical of what passes for intelligence on the left.

    Idiotic ideas do not merit an “intelligent” response; they merit ridicule and revulsion (or, at best, pity).

    The fainting couch is over there in the corner, you poor dear.

  111. David Nieporent:

    Ah, the old “I know you are but what am I?” line. Your maturity level is increasing.

    Professor Adler makes coherent arguments, and the response from dsquared is “Shut up,” he explained. And rather than condemning dsquared, you actually cheer him on. That says it all.

    It is amazing the difference in discourse. The Volokh Conspiracy is filled with posts discussing various policy proposals and relevant laws; LGM is filled with posts singling out random bloggers and saying, “Isn’t this guy stupid?”

  112. Malaclypse:

    The Volokh Conspiracy is filled with posts discussing various policy proposals and relevant laws.

    I’ll just mention this as an example of well thought out, rational policy discussion.

    Although I do understand why you might like the place.

  113. DrDick:

    No. No. No. You just do not understand. They hate unfunded mandates that affect them. Unfunded mandates on other people (especially people they do not like) are just fine.

  114. DrDick:

    Professor Adler makes coherent arguments
    Perhaps they are coherent to brain damaged libertarians, but to people with functioning brains who live in the real world, they are the rantings of a morally abhorrent lunatic. Small wonder you like them.

    As to the maturity thing, when you starting functioning at an adult level (which I have never seen) I will treat you as one. Until then, all you merit is sorn, derision, and ridicule. Now go crawl back under your rock in the fever swamps.

  115. John Protevi:

    Future historians will date the end of reasoned discourse in Anglo-American civil society — nay, the end of the Enlightenment itself — to the way Jonathan Adler was treated at CT and the way David Nieporent was treated on LGM.

  116. Malaclypse:

    It must be very strange to be President Bush David Nieporent. A man of extraordinary vision and brilliance approaching to genius, he can’t get anyone to notice. He is like a great painter or musician who is ahead of his time, and who unveils one masterpiece after another to a reception that, when not bored, is hostile.

  117. zebuhanareth:

    this’ll make the job interview real interesting.

  118. Hogan:

    Yeah, such a shame we can’t all meet the Nieporent standard of reasoned engagement.

  119. Peter Dangles:

  120. Peter Dangles:

    Stupid…

  121. Peter Dangles:

    Muammar Gaddafi was pushing other Arab countries to adopt a gold standard currency which would have eclipsed the dollar and the euro.

    So the whole country of Libya was sacked in order to kill him.

    When the ‘rebels’ ousted Gaddafi, what was the first thing they did ? Form a new GOVERNMENT ?

    Nope. They formed a LIBYAN NATIONAL BANK.

    Now, why would they do that?

    And even though they ‘ousted’ Gaddafi, he remained sole proprietor of the Libyan National Bank (the original one) until he (and his heirs) died.

    So… guess what?

    The EUSSR needed Libya’s oil and since they have been on US military welfare since WW2, they had their dupe Sodom Hussein Obama arrange the assassination of their newly uncooperative stooge Muammar Queerdaffy, who they previously had on the UN Human Rights Commission.

    In Syria, nobody wants to get openly involved because it would force them to admit that George Bush was right and the WMDs Saddam Hussein did have and did use on Kurds and Iranians went over to his friend (and formerly theirs) Bashar al-Assad in the Ba’ath Socialist party.

    The EUSSR socialists can never face the facts of what socialism really is.

    Smuggling guns to narcoterrorists in Mexico is the same modus operandi as smuggling guns to the Salafist terror groups in Syria…

    The deliberate indifference to the planned assassination of US ambassador Stevens just eliminated one loose end.

    Leon Puñettas was just too busy having gay pride celebrations at the Pentagon and couldn’t spare the troops to protect an ambassador…

    (Serbia was bombed by NATO so the IMF could make loans to rebuild and get control of the iridium assets.)

    It is never, ever about human rights at all with you people, it is all about who controls…

    -

    Vaccines for hepatitis B were distributed by the World Health Organization and developed by Litton Bionetics in Uganda during the reign of Idi Amin.

    They were also developing biological warfare agents at the same time.

    The vaccines were distributed in two populations: Africa and in the New York homosexual population, places where AIDS first became established. AIDS is a hybrid of bovine leukemia and visna virus. 

    Draw your own conclusions about deliberate or accidental on AIDS.

    Did Haiti get the same vaccines from the UN?

    They do have a lot of AIDS.

  122. Peter Dangles:

    FAST AND FURIOUS…

    300 Mexicans killed because the Obama administration smuggled guns to narcoterrorists.

    40,000 Syrians killed because the Obama administration smuggled guns to Salafist terror groups.

  123. Malaclypse:

    Thank you for this well-reasoned, on-topic response. Might you have a news-letter wherein we may read more of your trenchant analysis?

  124. Peter Dangles:

    Unsere Welt wird brennen, der Zweifel und die Angst werden im Feuer untergehn…

    Most of the African and Middle Eastern people would be speaking German today if it weren’t for the British and the Americans.

    The Chinese would be speaking Japanese today if it weren’t for the British and the Americans.

    An Axis victory in WW2 wouldn’t really have affected me that much, I am a white Anglo-Saxon and the British monarchy is German.

    You others would not have survived, because I would have made sure of it in the aftermath.

    The Germans owned all of North Africa because you inferior people inhabiting it didn’t know how to fight or build the machines.

    It was Montgomery who drove the Germans out, with the timely help of George Patton.

    It took T.E. Lawrence, a British officer, to organize a great many Muslims to drive the Turks out because they couldn’t muster the will to do it on their own.

    (The Russians would have starved and frozen to death along with a lot of the Germans if it weren’t for Allied maritime and rail convoys.)

    Like with the situation in the Middle East today, I am happy to sit back and watch you wipe each other out, I simply don’t want to be involved… and I am enjoying the show.

    If the Iranians nuke Israel, the Palestinians also die in the fallout.

    It is a win/win situation from where I sit.

    If the Israelis nuke Tehran, all the better.

    If Islamic countries keep executing you homosexuals, I’m o.k. with that too.

    Homosexuals desire their own extinction and if Muslims want to give it to them, who am I to interfere?

    Not my problem if you people are stupid…

    It was Jews who invented the atomic bomb.

    It was ROSENBERG Jews who gave the Soviets their first atomic bomb.

    Ironic, isn’t it?

    You people all believe the same thing… 

    You all believe your weenies come from heaven and that this gives you some sanctified right to pass your collection plate at gunpoint for the gods of communism (yourselves).

    -

    Wolltest du nicht zur juedischen Bank gehen?

  125. Peter Dangles:

    Unsere Welt wird brennen, der Zweifel und die Angst werden im Feuer untergehn…

    Most of the African and Middle Eastern people would be speaking German today if it weren’t for the British and the Americans.

    An Axis victory in WW2 wouldn’t really have affected me that much, I am a white Anglo-Saxon and the British monarchy is German.

    You others would not have survived, because I would have made sure of it in the aftermath.

    The Germans owned all of North Africa because you inferior people inhabiting it didn’t know how to fight or build the machines.

    It was Montgomery who drove the Germans out, with the timely help of George Patton.

    It took T.E. Lawrence, a British officer, to organize a great many Muslims to drive the Turks out because they couldn’t muster the will to do it on their own.

    (The Russians would have starved and frozen to death along with a lot of the Germans if it weren’t for Allied maritime and rail convoys.)

    Like with the situation in the Middle East today, I am happy to sit back and watch you wipe each other out, I simply don’t want to be involved… and I am enjoying the show.

    If the Iranians nuke Israel, the Palestinians also die in the fallout.

    It is a win/win situation from where I sit.

    If the Israelis nuke Tehran, all the better.

    If Islamic countries keep executing you homosexuals, I’m o.k. with that too.

    Homosexuals desire their own extinction and if Muslims want to give it to them, who am I to interfere?

    Not my problem if you people are stupid…

    It was Jews who invented the atomic bomb.

    It was ROSENBERG Jews who gave the Soviets their first atomic bomb.

    Ironic, isn’t it?

    You people all believe the same thing… 

    You all believe your weenies come from heaven and that this gives you some sanctified right to pass your collection plate at gunpoint for the gods of communism (yourselves).

    -

    Wolltest du nicht zur juedischen Bank gehen?

  126. Malaclypse:

    See, Jennie? Peter here shows some effort. And yes, yes, I realize that copypasta is not a lot of effort, but still, this is way better than any of your work.

    Peter, is the Illuminati involved? Obviously, you can trust me of all people when it comes to Illuminati conspiracies.

    You others would not have survived, because I would have made sure of it in the aftermath.

    I see we are indeed thought-brothers. Every society actually passes through the five stages of Verwirrung, or chaos; Zweitracht, or discord; Unordnung, or confusion; Beamtenherrschaft, or bureaucracy; and Grummet, or aftermath. “After the tricycle it comes always the bicycle.”

    Hail Eris, brother!

  127. DrDick:

    Actually, that was Bush who ran that program and Obama who shut it down. How about all the Afghans and Iraqis killed because Reagan smuggled guns into the Taliban and Al Qaeda? Keep up the good work of totally discrediting conservatism!

  128. El Guapo:

    Sadly, I believe my weenies come from Stop and Shop. Where I can also find delectable waffles and syrup. Huzzah!

  129. DrDick:

    Slow day at Stormfront? Now join David back under the rocks in the fever swamps.

  130. Leeds man:

    I am a white Anglo-Saxon

    Mongrel half-Saxon scum. You’re probably part Jute as well.

  131. Bijan Parsia:

    After laughing and laughing I began to worry that SEKism was internet transmittable.

  132. Bijan Parsia:

    I look forward to his lectures on the tragedy of the commons.

  133. Halloween Jack:

    I’ve seen worse; one recently-built school (in Memphis, maybe?) had windows like archer slits in a castle keep. I’m sure that the ostensible purpose was to keep people from shooting in, but all I could think of was how difficult it would be for kids to escape if the shooter were inside.

  134. Halloween Jack:

    Rams up, ewes down.

  135. Halloween Jack:

    Is Obama also going to take your co-worker’s Cracklin’ Oat Bran?

  136. djangermats:

    Trolling and stupidity are the opposite of opposites

  137. Malaclypse:

    The fact that she does, in fact, eat oats every morning leaves me vaguely disconcerted by your specificity.

  138. rea:

    Batshit wingnutty office managers are a dime a dozen.

    Years ago, our office manager called me in and showed me a leave of absense slip in one of her desk drawers. She had filled it out in anticipation of the rapture–she wanted all her paperwork to be in order when she was taken. And of course, she had picked me to be the one who knew where to find the paperwork, because I was not likely to be taken . . .

    She was quite serious, too.

  139. rea:

    The a ass is for important people–I only rate the b ass.

  140. Hogan:

    The way you make fun of people’s names does make your batshit insane rants a tad more persuasive. Keep up the good work.

  141. Malaclypse:

    My aunt was both a well-respected Manhattan pediatrician, working out of Bellevue beginning in the early 1970s, and a fundie who was convinced of Jesus’ imminent Return.

    She also lived in sin with her Zoroastrian boyfriend.

    Now, storage space in Manhattan is pricey, but the suburbs of Philly were not, so of course we had a shed in our back yard where she kept seven years worth of dehydrated food from the End Times Food Company. And when she died, far too young, the reading of her will began by discussing how she expected not to die, but to be Raptured, and had detailed instructions to my uncle of how to survive the Tribulation with his soul intact.

    And two days later, when Bellevue held their memorial service for her, there were literally hundreds of women, many from obviously horrid backgrounds, and of all ages, who came to talk about the difference my aunt made in their lives. I couldn’t tell you the name of my pediatrician, much less share a memory of him, but these girls and women could.

    To this day, I can’t separate the crazy in her from the genuinely awesome.

  142. Dana:

    Funny thing is, the one place this batshit crazy nonsense “opinion” carries the same weight as all the others on this blog is at the ballot box, but this guy will probably spend his entire life railing against “the government” and the injustices it purveys.

  143. Dana:

    Or, they like the services teachers provide, but would prefer they did so at little or no cost. Which seems like a good summary of Americans’ attitude toward government generally.

  144. Left_Wing_Fox:

    My paycheque is always too low, your paycheque is always too high.

  145. Bijan Parsia:

    Hmm. Well, I don’t think any of my Zoroastrian male relations were shacking up with any crazy New Yorkers (Philly, yes; Ohio, probably; being the crazy one…everywhere).

    But I am pleased to think that in nearby possible worlds we’re sin-laws!

  146. Malaclypse:

    When I first saw your bio, I wondered if we were perhaps distant cousins, but I’m pretty sure we’re not. Most of my uncle’s family were in Jersey or Brooklyn. But I’ll send an e-mail to your Manchester e-mail just to see if we have mutual acquaintances.

  147. Hogan:

    They want the bear patrol but they don’t want to pay the bear tax.

  148. Atticus Dogsbody:

    My Celtic blood boils at the thought of one of these Kraut-worshipping, Anglo-Saxon dogs ever coming near my daughter (It’s such as relief to recall that I don’t have a daughter).

    P.S. You all believe your weenies come from heaven and that this gives you some sanctified right to pass your collection plate at gunpoint for the gods of communism (yourselves).

    You got me on that one.

  149. Fritz:

    Very different thought processes on display here. If I were put in charge of the safety and well-being of 30 kids, I would want to be armed. But then I like tools.

    I agree that the conservative “blame the government worker unions for the coming pension crises” notion is utterly misplaced. The problem is not the unions — they are getting what they can for their members, as unions are supposed to do. The problem lies with the politicos, who, unlike corporate management, has no effective block against buying short-term labor peace by setting up a financial disaster in the long term.

  150. Malaclypse:

    If I were put in charge of the safety and well-being of 30 kids, I would want to be armed.

    Well, yes, but you have a woeful ignorance of both statistics and rudimentary gun safety.

  151. Fritz:

    I agree that the chance of needing such a tool would be very low. I wear protective gear when I ride my motorcycle, even though the chance of needing that is also low.

  152. Malaclypse:

    So very, very much you don’t understand…

  153. Joseph Slater:

    And, it’s easier to go after “unions” for partisan political purposes than it is to go after individual teachers.

  154. Joseph Slater:

    David: The joke is that folks at the VC tend to routinely assert that public school teachers are almost uniformly incompetent and that their unions are (in some commenters words) literally always thuggish. Yet they don’t see any inconsistency in arming a significant number of such teachers (if it’s not a significant number, it’s hard to imagine the program would be effective, even if one is inclined to believe in this dubious approach in the first place).

    There are certainly more serious critiques of the “arm the teachers” proposals. But for pro-teacher, pro-union folks who have heard nothing but horrible, inaccurate portrayals of teachers and their unions from many folks on the right in the past few years, it is at least amusing to note the inconsistency.

  155. Joseph Slater:

    Including how public sector labor relations work.

  156. Bijan Parsia:

    You have to at least consider the risks such a tool introduces both individually and collectively.

    Plus, your wanting this tool is not, itself, evidence that having that tool is on balance useful. You can’t have every possible tool to hand. (Why not a helicopter in case a student needs emergency evac. It’s a tool!)

    As many have pointed out time and again, on an individual basis there is the severe difficulty of securing “the tool” from the students and then everyone else.

    Similarly, even putting aside teachers gone wrong, in the situations which I’m imagining you think the gun would be useful (a shooting attack), more armed people tend to increase the risks, by and large, as I understand it. For example, distinguishing the attacker from other defenders is non-trivial…even less so when the attacker might be a nominal defender.

    (Note that there’s a pretty big asymmetry between tools and (passive) protective gear.)

    A high risk, low efficacy tool for a low probability event seems like a silly thing to want.

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