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Cinderella Men I: In Defense of the Duke

[ 158 ] October 5, 2012 |

I think Tom Scocca’s initial reaction to the hiring of Dan Duquette was pretty typical:

In the end, the Orioles announced that their new general manager would be Dan Duquette. I believe I swore out loud when I heard the news. Dan fucking Duquette. Fired in the housecleaning that had swept decades of ghosts and self-loathing out of Fenway, as new owner John Henry set about reinventing the Red Sox as a 21st-century championship franchise. Duquette hadn’t had a job in a decade—a decade, coincidentally enough, in which the entire business of baseball operations had been transformed. In a world where boy geniuses analyze their way to the World Series, Peter Angelos had hired a witch doctor. If not a corpse reanimated by a witch doctor. Dan Duquette! Doom.

Whether Duquette will prove to be a good hire, despite the miracle season, is an open question — the Orioles owe their spot in their playoffs to Lady Luck and the previous management (and I would give Showalter some credit too.) But I’ll say this: Duquette was an excellent, very underrated GM, and it’s puzzling that he was out of MLB for a decade.

Let’s start with Montreal. First, when he was the Expo Director of Player Development, the Expos drafted or otherwise acquired Delino DeShields, John Vander Wal, Marquis Grissom, Charles Johnson, Rondell White, Cliff Floyd, Mark Grudzielanek, Kirk Reuter, Vlad Guerrero, Orlando Cabrera, and Javier Vazquez. That’s a lot of guys with long careers, topped off by a Hall of Famer and a couple minor stars, for 5 years while mostly drafting in the mid-first round or lower. He turned that talent base into a competitive team in 1992 and the best team in baseball in 1994 after taking over in late 1991 by making two exceptional and one good trade: getting Perdro Martinez, Ken Hill and John Wetteland for DeShields, Willie Greene, and a washed-up until that Coors Field meeting Andres Gallaragga. He also contributed significantly to the success of that team by cutting bait quickly on Tom Runnells — the ridiculously in-over-his-head manager Dombrowski hired in 1991, presumably while distracted trying to find people to sell the mineral water, airline tickets, and coolers he was charging to the team’s credit — and hiring Felipe Alou, who did a terrific job in his first three years. (Converting Fassero to the rotation alone was worth 2-4 wins a year.)

In Boston, he didn’t have the same stunning record of success, but he still did a good job and left the core of a championship team in place. Obviously, getting Pedro Martinez on the receiving end of a salary dump isn’t as impressive as getting him while dumping salary, but still — he wasn’t the only GM in the market for the guy who would have the greatest peak of any major league pitcher in history, and he gave up substantially less than Epstein Epstein’s temporary replacement gave up to get Josh Beckett. Signing Ramirez may have just required spending money, but as no Red Sox fan needs to be reminded not all elite money is spent on truly elite players that justify their contracts, and big money for a Hall of Famer at his peak is more than justified. He drafted Nomah. And while Garciaparra was gone by postseason 2004, several other key parts of that team were Duquette’s — Damon, Varitek and Lowe (acquired for human fireworks display Heathcliff Slocumb), Wakefield. Epstein did a very good job filling out that core after taking over, no question, but Duquette deserves a lot more credit for that team than he gets. And while Duquette mishandled Clemens and letting him walk was a bad decision, he also deserved credit for letting Mo Vaughn take his old player’s skills to Orange County. And it should be noted as well that when Theo Epstein put together a team without any of Duquette’s core, he ended up doing a bellyflop off the Prudential Tower.

The Orioles may have hired Duquette because they were desperate, but they may also get the last laugh. For a punchline he has a really terrific track record.

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  1. DivGuy says:

    Absolutely agreed on all counts. I’m really happy for Duquette. He’s deserved this opportunity for a long time.

    The Duke’s failure to get another job in baseball always seemed more like the blacklisting of an annoying colleague/competitor than a reflection of his actual skill as a team builder.

  2. DivGuy says:

    I don’t think the Theo crack is entirely fair. The 2008-2009 Red Sox won a ton of games, and the Duquette holdovers on those clubs (Wake and Tek) were bit players at best.

    Epstein’s post-2009 moves were a complete disaster, but he’d already build a post-Duquette core than could compete for championships before he fucked things up.

    • Scott Lemieux says:

      Fair. The better way of putting it would be that his first post-Duquette team was very good, but he lost it after 2009 (with ownership presumably deserving a lot of the blame.)

      • NBarnes says:

        I’d love to see a serious think-and-analysis piece somewhere like Fangraphs about how ‘unlucky’ the Red Sox have been the last three year. Some of this has been bad decision making on somebody’s part (Lackey? Really? And I loathed the Beckett extension), but damn that team has had some periods of time where their DL was a better team than 1/3rd of the NL.

  3. KadeKo says:

    Tangent: If things play out (a big “if” in baseball) won’t the Series be between the NL and AL teams with the best records of 1994?

    Part of me still thinks the strike was provoked because after two Toronto WSs in a row America couldn’t stand the idea of Montreal winning.

    (As a good lefty, I try to separate my persecution complexes and my politics.)

  4. Martin says:

    No praise for Davey? I wonder. I agree about the Lady Luck stuff, but Davey’s prior record is SO strong that I’m inclined to wonder whether he didn’t have a lot to do with the Orioles’ success. I would tend to agree with you that managers’ impact is overemphasized in general.

    This seems like as good a place as any to admit that I could not have been more wrong about Bobby Valentine. I know a lot of you have been wondering when I would come clean about this. :) I wasted a good number of pixels defending him on these boards in April, and now, I can hardly reconstruct what I was thinking. Eesh.

  5. Jack says:

    Theo didn’t trade for Beckett. He quit at the end of October 2005 and didn’t come back until January. The trade happened while he was gone.

  6. Chris Marcil says:

    Duquette hasn’t been that bad this season: The O’s best starters in the first half were Duke pickups: Jason Hammel (for Jeremy Guthrie) and Wei-Yin Chen from Taiwan. The Machado-at-3rd idea, which kept the defense from falling apart completely, seems to have been a Buck-Duke project beginning early in the season. McLouth has worked out (lucky, I admit).

    All I know is that I keep running into people out here in LA in Orioles wear, and I’ve never had that happen past April.

    • Scott Lemieux says:

      I’m not saying bad; I think he’s made some shrewd moves. I’m just saying, to be fair, that it’s mostly not his team. I can’t say he doesn’t get enough credit for the 2004 Red Sox and then turn around and give him all the credit for the 2012 Orioles.

  7. Sherm says:

    That’s a pretty compelling defense of Duquette. I hadn’t realized that he was the director of player development in Montreal before becoming the GM. And I don’t think its fair to fault him for the Clemens decision. Clemens did look past his prime when that decision was made.

    • gorillagogo says:

      I’ve always believed Clemens’s resurgence after leaving Boston was chemically enhanced.

    • Scott Lemieux says:

      As much as I admire Duquette, I can’t give him a pass on that one. Look past his W-L record — which you obviously should! — and Clemens was probably the best starting pitcher in the AL in 1996, and his K rates were actually going up. There was no reason to expect that he would get even better than that starting at age 34, but unless letting him go was necessary for getting Pedro that was a bad move.

      • Sherm says:

        1996 was nice bounce-back year for Clemens, but he was 33 and coming off three rather mediocre seasons. And Pat Hentgen would like to have a word with you.

      • Sherm says:

        And Pat Hentgen is fresh in my mind only because Michael Kay complained the other night that Andy Pettite deserved the cy young that year. He later backed off after their stats were compared on the air.

        • Scott Lemieux says:

          Hentgen pitched well, but he struck out more than three batters less per 9 innings with almost as many walks as Clemens. Hentgen was luckier but Clemens was better. And Clemens was about as good in ’93 and ’94 as he was in ’96.

    • NBarnes says:

      Anybody who claims to have foreseen the shape of Clemens’ post-Boston career is a damn liar. Duquette’s analysis at the time was entirely defensible and remains so to this day. He had been dealing with a bunch of injuries, including shoulder, groin, and back problems, which have been known to make the best pitchers disintegrate overnight. Not wanting to make Clemens the highest paid pitcher in baseball was a pretty reasonable call.

      • Sherm says:

        I don’t recall the contract negotiations or Clemens’ demands. But I recall that I had no problem with the move at the time. As Scott pointed out, he had a really good year in ’96. But he had been injury prone in the three preceding seasons, and his ’93 and ’95 seasons were pretty average.

      • Scott Lemieux says:

        As I said, nobody could have foreseen how well Clemens would hold up. But K rates are the best indicator of longevity, and Clemens’s was the best of any AL starter in 1996. He clearly figured to keep being one of the best starters in baseball.

  8. mark f says:

    Mo Vaughn may not be the only player in history whose career was ruined by falling down some stairs, but I’m fairly certain he was the only one whose career was ruined by falling down stairs in the midst of a game.

    One of the big knocks against Duquette when he worked for the Red Sox was that he had some computer nerd on staff who looked at spreadsheets and didn’t even watch games.

  9. 27 and Counting says:

    The O’s are a cute little team so I give their fans a collective pat on the head but now it’s our time as the greatest franchise in in the history of sports goes for it’s 28th World Championship :)

    • Sherm says:

      Are you a Yankee fan, or are you just parodying one for our amusement? If the latter, well done sir. You captured the correct mixture of obnoxiousness and condescension and combined it with the necessary lack of self-awareness.

      • c u n d gulag says:

        I’m a die-hard Yankee fan, and I’m HAPPY to have the Orioles back.

        They kicked our asses back from the mid 60′s until the very early 70′s, when we sucked.
        And then they and Boston were our greatest competitors from about ’73 to the mid 80′s.

        And then, you had to love the Yankee-Orioles series in the 90′s!

        I loved to hate “The Oriole Way!”

        I look forward to hating them even more! And besides, I still love Buck.

        And I’m very, very glad for Dan Duquette.
        He’s been a very solid Baseball man who has loved the game his whole career.
        And can you say anything much nicer about someone than that?

        • Sherm says:

          I haven’t been commenting here that long, but I have been here long enough to know that my wiseass crack does not apply to you. I’ll be rooting against your team, but good luck just the same.

          And I have to admit that your odds of winning it all are as good as anyone’s right now. The bullpen might be tiring a little bit down the stretch, but the rotation is clearly in the best shape that it has been in all season.

        • spencer says:

          I’ll be rooting against your team, but good luck just the same.

          Seconded.

          And at least the Red Sox didn’t make it.

      • 27 and Counting says:

        Let me guess, are you a combined Mutts and Red Sux fan that’s too busy comparing notes of the teams’ Bobby V eras to go out and buy a clue?

      • Uncle Ebeneezer says:

        Yes. If sincere, I hope everyone will bookmark 27′s comment for the next time the popular Sox-fans-are-even-worse meme pops up. If parody, it should be bookmarked for a pitch-perfect imitation of the insufferable portion of Yankee fandom.

        • daveNYC says:

          So if he’s real, he shows just how bad Yankees fans are, and if he’s fake he’s showing just how bad they can be.

        • brad says:

          Tit for tat just makes you a pornographer.

          Which, I realize, means absolutely nothing, but I feel witty and pretty and etc…

          Seriously, tho, every professional sports team’s fanbase is mostly made up of assholes with no necks. Getting into whose fans are better or worse just marks you as one of those assholes.

          • gorillagogo says:

            every professional sports team’s fanbase is mostly made up of assholes

            Drew Magary’s “Why Your Team Sucks” series on Deadspin describes this phenomenon for every NFL franchise.

          • But some fans ARE worse. Philadelphia fans in all sports are just hideous are they not? My hometown fans have a 100% perfect rioting record when the team chokes in the Stanley Cup final.

            • brad says:

              I used to love hockey, so it pains me to say, but hockey fans south of the border are the bottom of the barrel. I was at MSG for Lemieux’s second game back after Hodgkin’s, at one point they showed him on the bench, looking obviously drained, and the entire fucking place started booing him.

            • Walt says:

              No, Philly fans are the best! They have the exact right mix of temperments: 90% self-loathing, and 10% a desire to see others suffer. Philadelphia fans are the only ones who understand the lesson that sports is trying to teach us: heartbreak and misery, occasionally interrupted by joy in the heartbreak and misery of others.

          • Uncle Ebeneezer says:

            Oh I agree. I would add not just professional sports fan bases…but college too (ever talk to a rabid Michigan, USC, Miami etc. fan?) I’m not claiming Sox fans aren’t some of the worst a-holes on the planet…they are! But they are no worse than Yankee fans.

            But I think that teams with large fan bases and storied histories, there is an added level of obnoxiousness that goes along with it. If Scott puts up a post about baseball, on a random topic, you don’t expect to see a Marlin fan bragging about Championships of yore, whereas you can almost guarantee that a Yankee fan will make a greatest-team-ever remark in the near-future. So the big market team fans, I think, are generally worse than small market fans. This is why Yankees, Sox, Cowboys, Eagles, Steelers, Patriots, Raiders, Lakers, Celtics etc. fans are some of the worst. # of titles + size of market + revenue = sense of entitlement (and by extension, douchey-ness of fan base.)

            And note that I said “the insufferable portion” of Yankee fans. I know some totally cool Yank fans (even some close friends and family,) but like any hugely popular team with more titles than anyone else, their fanbase has the highest concentration of assholes.

            Interestingly, it even extends to non-team sports. Every once in awhile I get sucked into reading some Nadal vs Federer thread on a tennis forum, and the amount of douchey-ness makes a Youtube or Yahoo comments section look intelligent by comparison.

        • Identity crisis says:

          Let it go, man!!! Just think, at 69 wins and 93 losses next year has to be better?

    • Jonas says:

      I heard they are bringing back Jeffrey Maier for the post-season.

    • spencer says:

      Juventus has more championships than the New York Yankees.

    • gorillagogo says:

      Rooting for the Yankees must be a lot like playing video games with the cheat codes enabled. Sure, you get to win but at the end of the day it can’t feel very satisfying.

      • mark f says:

        I think it was Double Dragon II for NES in which you could set the game for two players, then keep killing Player 2 and taking his lives. The Yankees are sort of like that.

      • Marek says:

        Oh, it’s satisfying. But then, I’m old enough to remember bad Yankee teams.

        • Scott Lemieux says:

          Yeah, that 4 whole years when the Yankees were bad; I’d have to agree that the five World Championships since then can’t begin to make up for that kind of endless agony.

          • c u n d gulag says:

            Scott,
            I was around for the horror shows from ’65 to the mid 70′s.
            Years when we rooted for Horace Clark, Bobby Cox, Gene Michael, an old Johnny Callison, and an even more washed-up Rocky Colavito, Steve Hamilton, Mike Kekich, and Fritz Peterson, etc, etc, etc.

            And then came Roy White, Bobby Murcer, and Thurmon Munson, a deal for Nettles, one for Sparky Lyle, and another one for Chambliss, signing Catfish as a FA, and we were off!

            The early 80′s teams were at least competitive.
            But then, they sucked almost as bad as the Horace Clark years, from about ’87-88 to 92-93.

            Not quite the Pirates or Royals, but I root for those teams to come back, too.
            Maybe our bad times were more like a junkie missing a dose for a few months, as opposed to being locked-up in prison for years and years, like those poor fans.

            I’ll be rooting for the Red Sox to come back like the Orioles, so the Yanks can crush their hopes in September/October for another WS win in the coming decades.

            I was actually glad for Red Sox fans in 2004 – thought I thought winning another one in 2007 was excessive. ONE WAS ENOUGH!!! :-)

          • brad says:

            If you hate the 1998 team you hate baseball, didn’t even have the highest payroll that year, thanks to the Orioles. 2009 was pretty joyless, personally, but those first 4 were a team I was proud to root for.
            Then again, it often seems that your enjoyment of the game is based as much if not more in rooting against some than enjoying the victories of others. I suppose being a Montreal fan can do that to you.
            Btw, I was born in 77, so I had to wait until more or less adulthood to celebrate a title. You were saying?

            • gorillagogo says:

              Those 90s Yankee championship teams were very respectable. I rooted against them — mostly because I wanted to see some other team win it all — but didn’t actively loathe them the way I do now.

              It wasn’t until after the Yankees lost in the 9th inning of Game 7 to the D-Backs that Steinbrenner really blew a gasket and started outspending everyone else by an order of magnitude.

              • Sherm says:

                I actually rooted for them in ’96. But never again. Kind of like voting for Nader in 2000. I have learned my lesson.

              • brad says:

                Well, as much as I want to agree, the real reason for the decline there was the loss of 3/5ths of the starting rotation the next season.
                I love rooting for Moose, but I wish the Sox had gotten A-Rod, I really do.

                • brad says:

                  *loved, obviously.

                • gorillagogo says:

                  I didn’t say anything about the decline. My point was that up until that time, the Yankees were at or near the top of MLB salaries, but they weren’t exorbitantly outspending everyone else. That changed after 2001.

                • brad says:

                  To me the decline and the salary explosion are inextricably linked. Maybe, for example, Prior was unsignable, but who knows what his career would have been in pinstripes, especially without the possible abuse off his arm during his college career. A few million there might have spared a Pavano later.

                  That said, and without in any way denying the real problem of payroll limit differences between the teams, the Yankees lead in revenues by a massive margin, then should always lead in outlay, as well.
                  And the Yanks do contribute substantially to the revenues of the other teams in a number of ways that no other team comes close to matching, and I’m not talking payroll tax.

                • brad says:

                  As always, something about posting here induces numerous typos in my writing.
                  At least that’s my excuse.

            • Sherm says:

              A good many of the Yankee fans your age were Mets fans as kids in the 80′s.

              • brad says:

                I remember it well. I just enjoyed Rickey being Rickey and Donnie Baseball until the good times started.
                And yes, Steinbrenner was a monster, and the dynasty was built on his suspension. But, as countless others have said, at least he cared.

            • spencer says:

              If you hate the 1998 team you hate baseball

              I hate every Yankee team since the dawn of time and will continue to do so until the sun burns out.

              But I do respect them, at least.

        • gorillagogo says:

          For the record, I’m a Pirate fan. I don’t think we have the same definition of “bad team”.

      • NBarnes says:

        I believe the classic quote is something like ‘Cheering for the Yankees is like cheering for the house in Vegas.’

        There’s reasons to dislike the Red Sox and Red Sox fans. But I’d rather cheer for the Mets or the Nationals than the Yankees. There are some stains that you can’t wash out of your soul.

      • CJColucci says:

        Old story. They used to say rooting for the Yankees was like rooting for U.S. Steel. Take it from an old fart that, at the time, the analogy made sense.

    • rea says:

      the greatest franchise in in the history of sports goes for it’s 28th World Championship

      It’s only 25, and I don’t think the Canadiens are going to be good enough to win it this year.

  10. L2P says:

    Are the ’94 expos the best team to not win the World Series? I would put it up (or above) with any team in the 90′s for across-the-board talent. That outfield: Grissom, Walker, Alou? Wow.

  11. efgoldman says:

    Duke’s problems in Boston were twofold:
    - He didn’t (and doesn’t) have the personality to be the highly visible face and voice of the franchise in a high-pressure market like Boston. His syntax and speaking style became a subject for parody. You could tell when he had a microphone in his face, that he’d rather it be a cobra.
    - He was too closely identified with the old Harrington/Yawkey regime.

    But the Pedro/Manny/Nomah/Wakefield/Lowe+Tek moves? Absolute genius.

  12. charles pierce says:

    No mention of Manny?
    Shame on you.

  13. Matt says:

    I agree with this, but wonder if that tie doesn’t outweigh the good in the end.

  14. JMG says:

    Duquette’s total lack of people skills in Boston extended to his relations with the talented players he acquired. When he fired Jimy Williams in 2001, Pedro Martinez basically said in public Duquette had to go. Hall of Fame pitcher versus general manager isn’t a fair fight.

  15. JazzBumpa says:

    I liked it better when we argued about Scherzer vs Fister. Nobody mows ‘em down like Max, but I still think Doug is more reliable.

    But this is totally off topic, so I will shut up now.

    JzB

  16. actor212 says:

    Sorry, Scott, the Duquette name is verboten in Metsville and should be in Oriolesville. (see: Jim)

  17. LosGatosCA says:

    the only GM in the market for the guy who would have the greatest peak of any major league pitcher in history

    That’s a joke of course.

    • LosGatosCA says:

      2-4 in CS and WS play. ERA north of 4 in those games, WHIP somewhere around 1.25 aas well.

      Not peaking.

      • mark f says:

        Trade Pedro for Jack Morris!!!

      • LosGatosCA says:

        Pitched over 225 innings – twice. over 235, once.

        • Janastas359 says:

          Huh?

          Per a 162 game season he pitched an average of 217 innings per season. That’s roughly 7 innings per start, pretty solid for the modern era.

          Other modern pitcher averages:

          Halladay: 234/162 games.
          Verlander: 238/162 games
          Hernandez: 231/162
          Kershaw: 216/162

          BTW, your names?
          Koufax: 222/162 games
          Gibson: 262/162
          Smoltz (An actual part-timer, in that he was in the bullpen for several seasons)
          196/162
          Ford: 230/162

          Only Gibson was appreciably different. Over the course of 30 or so starts per season the modern pitchers average an out to an out and a half more per game than Martinez. The classic pitchers you mention as work horses only averages about an out more per 162 games; Koufax isn’t even that high.

          “Number of complete games” is a dumb measure for pitcher performance, but there really isn’t even any evidence that Martinez is particularly bad at that historically.

          • Janastas359 says:

            But wait, there’s more!

            Greg Maddux: 229/162.
            Tom Glavin: 220/162
            Randy Johnson: 230/162

            That Greg Maddux COULD have been one of the all-time greats, if only….

            • Uncle Ebeneezer says:

              Man, reading wikipedia makes me realize that Pedro was just a freak (I didn’t pay much attention to basebal during his peak sadly). A couple gems:

              For his career, Martínez has compiled 15 or more strikeouts in a game ten times, which is tied with Roger Clemens for the third-most 15-K games in history. (Nolan Ryan had 27, and Randy Johnson had 29.)

              Martínez was a focal point of the 1999 playoffs against the Cleveland Indians. Starting the series opener, he was forced out of the game after 4 shutout innings due to a strained back with the Red Sox up 2–0. The Red Sox, however, lost the game 3–2. Boston won the next two games to tie the series, but Martínez was still too injured to start the fifth and final game. However, neither team’s starters were effective, and the game became a slugfest, tied at 8–8 at the end of 3 innings. Martínez entered the game as an emergency relief option. Unexpectedly, Martínez neutralized the Cleveland lineup with six no-hit innings for the win. He struck out eight and walked three, despite not being able to throw either his fastball or changeup with any command. Relying totally on his curve, Martínez and the Red Sox won the deciding game 12–8. Other than his 9 perfect innings in 1995.

              Following up 1999, Martínez had perhaps his best year in 2000. Martínez posted an exceptional 1.74 ERA, the AL’s lowest since 1978, while winning his third Cy Young award. His ERA was about a third of the park-adjusted league ERA (4.97). No other single season by a starting pitcher has had such a large differential. Roger Clemens’ 3.70 was the second-lowest ERA in the AL, but was still more than double that of Martínez. Martínez also set a record in the lesser known sabermetric statistic of Weighted Runs allowed per 9 innings pitched (Wtd. RA/9), posting a remarkably low 1.55 Wtd. RA/9. He gave up only 128 hits in 217 innings, for an average of just 5.31 hits allowed per 9 innings pitched: the third lowest mark on record.

              Martínez’s WHIP in 2000 was 0.74, breaking both the 87-year-old modern Major League record set by Walter Johnson, as well as Guy Hecker’s mark of 0.77 in 1882. The American League slugged just .259 against him. Hitters also had a .167 batting average and .213 on base percentage, setting two more modern era records. Martínez became the only starting pitcher in history to have more than twice as many strikeouts in a season (284) as hits allowed (128).
              On May 6 of that 2000 season, Martínez struck out 17 Tampa Bay Devil Rays in a 1-0 loss. In his next start six days later, he struck out 15 Baltimore Orioles in a 9-0, two-hit victory. The 32 strikeouts tied Luis Tiant’s 32-year American League record for most strikeouts over two games.

              So yeah, at his peak the guy was ridiculous. And still only 5′ something” and 180 lbs soaking wet.

              • mark f says:

                That game against Tampa Bay in which he struck out 17 was insane, by the way. He beaned Greg Vaughn in the first inning, leading to some shenanigans but no ejections. After that TB kept trying to retaliate against Brian Daubach, who they felt had been dirty in a scrum, including a BB where several obvious bean attempts missed. Meanwhile Pedro calmly struck everyone out and carried a no-hitter into I think the seventh.

              • Identity crisis says:

                So, sadly you say, you weren’t paying too much attention way back then. Does that make you a fair weather fan? Why all the Sox love and select Yankee fan hate?

      • Janastas359 says:

        AND OH BTW

        That WS (And arguably the CF games) was very clearly not during his peak, so I’m not sure how that’s relevant to a discussion of whether or not he was one of the best peak pitchers of all time.

        His one ALCS game in his prime
        1999 against the Yankees:

        7 innings, 12 SO, 3 walks, 0 runs, WIN.
        And that doesn’t even get into his non-championship series performances.

        But feel free to continue cherry picking your stats. You’ll prove that Pedro was no true Scotsman, just keep at it.

  18. tucker says:

    Nobody cares about east coast baseball

    signed,
    The Bay Area

    PS. If Jeter even thinks about a back up flip to home, we have snipers perched in the tarp covered upper deck.

  19. Davis says:

    I’m an Orioles fan, and Duquette (along with Showalter) has made more roster moves than I’ve ever seen. The team has had 54 different players on the roster, and AAA Norfolk has had 75, an all-time International League record. Most of the moves have obviously panned out well. Fluke? At this point, that is irrelevant to us. We almost caught the Yankees after they had a 10-game lead, That would have been an historic collapse comparable to a certain one in 1978. BTW, he’s put on a lot of weight since that picture with Pedro.

  20. Woodrowfan says:

    Any team founded after 1869 is just a damn expansion team…

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