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Joe Paterno, moral monster


It is becoming apparent that Joe Paterno not only knew that Jerry Sandusky was a child rapist, but that he was probably the person most responsible for covering up Sandusky’s previous crimes, and allowing Sandusky to commit many more.

CNN is reporting that a series of internal PSU emails between former PSU president Graham Spanier, former athletic director Tim Curley, and former vice president Gary Schultz reveal the following chronology:

*On February 9, 2001, former PSU quarterback and current graduate assistant coach Mike McQueary meets with Paterno and tells him that on the previous evening he saw Sandusky sexually assaulting a young boy in the showers of the PSU football facility.

*At some point between February 9 and on or about February 19th, Paterno informs Curley of what McQueary has told him.

*On or about February 19th, Curley and Schultz contact McQueary about the incident.

*On February 26th, Schultz writes to Curley to confirm that Curley is aware/approves of a three-part plan to deal with the potential institutional difficulties raised by having Joe Paterno’s former defensive coordinator continue to rape little boys on campus. This plan consists of talking to Sandusky “regarding the future appropriate use of the University facility,” … “contacting the chair of the charitable organization” [this is Sandusky’s Second Mile foundation, which he used to procure victims] and “contacting the Department of Welfare.” [The latter step was the minimum legal obligation placed on Penn State officials by Pennsylvania law].

So, three years after Sandusky’s habit of sexually assaulting young boys was first reported to the authorities, PSU is finally about to do the right thing. Then:

The next evening, February 27, Curley allegedly writes to Spanier. Schultz, who’s out of the office for two weeks, is copied.

Curley refers to a meeting scheduled that day with Spanier and indicates they apparently discussed the Sandusky incident two days earlier.

Curley indicates he no longer wants to contact child welfare authorities just yet. He refers to a conversation the day before with Paterno. It’s not known what Paterno may have said to Curley.

Curley writes: “After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps.”

The athletic director apparently preferred to keep the situation an internal affair and talk things over with Sandusky instead of notifying the state’s child welfare agency to investigate Sandusky’s suspicious activity.

“I am having trouble with going to everyone, but the person involved,” Curley allegedly continues.

Curley writes he’d be “more comfortable” meeting with Sandusky himself and telling him they know about the 2001 incident and — according to a source with knowledge of the case — refers to another shower incident with a boy in 1998 that was investigated by police, but never resulted in charges against Sandusky.

Curley writes to Penn State’s president Spanier that he wants to meet with Sandusky, tell him there’s “a problem,” and that “we want to assist the individual to get professional help.”

In the same purported e-mail provided to CNN, Curley goes on to suggest that if Sandusky “is cooperative,” Penn State “would work with him” to tell Second Mile. If not, Curley states, the university will inform both Second Mile and outside authorities.

Curley adds that he intends to inform Sandusky that his “guests” won’t be allowed to use Penn State facilities anymore.

“What do you think of this approach?” Curley allegedly wrote to Spanier.

Graham Spanier, president of a major research university, (and family sociologist, demographer, marriage and family therapist, and founding editor of the Journal of Family Issues) replies that he thinks this is a very fine plan indeed. “The only downside for us is if the message isn’t ‘heard’ and acted upon, and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it,” Spanier writes.

The downside for the many children Sandusky went on to rape was apparently not part of President Spanier’s pragmatic calculus.

Joe Paterno — the most powerful person on the PSU campus — decided to use his immense institutional influence to allow a child rapist who was about to be exposed and stopped to instead remain free to rape more children, which Sandusky proceeded to do for many more years.

And while it’s true we don’t know precisely what Paterno said to Curley, if we consider the evidence in the light most favorable to Paterno we would conclude that Curley told Paterno that he was thinking of backing out of the “three-part plan,” and Paterno — who could have had Curley fired on the spot with a single phone call — went along with this. If we consider the evidence in the most realistic light, it’s far more probable that Paterno ordered his putative superior to drop the plan to expose Sandusky. In other words, Paterno not only went along with the coverup, but in all likelihood initiated it.

With luck, Paterno’s entire estate, along with whatever assets Spanier, Curley, and Schultz possess, will be confiscated and distributed to those of Sandusky’s victims who can be identified. That, at least, would be a start on the road to something resembling justice.

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    Paterno certainly looks terrible in that exchange, but I think Curley looks even worse. And the buck still stopped with Spanier. Seems like moral monsters were a dime a dozen in Happy Valley.

    • Visitor

      Hafta agree with this. Spanier’s legal culpability doesn’t remove Paterno’s moral and practical culpability, and Paterno *had* the power — heck, anyone with a gwdamm telephone and the information had the power to notify the state — to do something in the face of Spanier’s failure to do so. I’m afraid I don’t see how the evidence you present tells us so much about what Paterno consciously decided, and who pressured whom.

      A tragedy all around…

      Google tree climbers scholarship if you want to find a way to donate to help survivors. There are likely others!

      • Unnamed OSU Nut

        I have tried to support the old man (JP) as much as possible. But I use the sliding scale as you do. And I agree that even at the most loyally and blindly optimistic, Joe knew quite a bit and enabled a lot. This is where the PSU faithful lose me: they agree that Joe may have known something, but diverge off on a tangent where he was some tiny, ineffective cog in the big machine and had no say or power over what to do with that creep. Yeah, right. LOLOL

    • Craigo, MARS BITCHES

      Re Paterno,

      He looks terrible, but that won’t be the prevailing narrative going forward. Penn State alumni are already convinced he knew nothing, nothing I tell you, and in a few years he’ll have his own very own Robert E. Lee myth: Not only did Paterno not actively cover up child rape, but he would have done everything he could to stop it if not for those meddling Yankees athletic directors and university presidents.

      • Charlie Sweatpants

        “He looks terrible, but that won’t be the prevailing narrative going forward. Penn State alumni are already convinced he knew nothing, nothing I tell you, and in a few years he’ll have his own very own Robert E. Lee myth:”

        For the big subset of the fan base that’s already in denial, you’re absolutely right about this. The only way to prevent it would be to suspend/forfeit at least one season of football. The blind dedication to the football program is what allowed children to be raped for more than a decade, and unless it gets hit, including an undeniable blank spot in all the record books, ten years from now, Penn State undergrads will know who Paterno was, but not know a thing about this scandal.

        Football mania caused this, and so far football mania has escaped any reform. Give the kids currently on the team license to transfer anywhere without an eligibility hit, fire everyone (note: EVERYONE) who had anything to do with the football program, and mothball it for a year. That massive stadium sitting empty on Saturdays is the only way the magnitude of this is going to sink in.

        None of that will happen, of course. Practically the first thing they did was assure everyone that the games would continue to be played. But that’s what it would’ve taken.

        • Hanspeter

          Cancelling a football season will just feed the delusion that the administration is trying to make a scapegoat out of the program.

          Once you have established the seed of a myth like this one, pretty much any action is going to be seen by its adherents as further evidence of their righteousness.

        • James E. Powell

          The only way to prevent it would be to suspend/forfeit at least one season of football.

          You really think that would do it? I doubt it. Let’s continue with the Civil War analogy and consider how that worked out.

          You could have suspensions, lost seasons, a couple of books, and a documentary film and those who do not want to believe would still not believe.

          • Charlie Sweatpants

            “You really think that would do it?”

            I do, yeah. I wouldn’t guarantee it, and I think you could make it more likely by changing the uniform and the nickname as well. But if you folded the program for a year and then came back with all new coaches and mostly new players who acknowledged that they were starting something over? Yeah, that might take.

            And even if it didn’t take with the poobahs of today, it’s got a much better chance of taking with the undergrads of tomorrow who will be poobahs in a few decades. Messes always take longer to clean up than to create (#Obama2012).

            • Jim Lynch

              The University of San Francisco’s basketball program was corrupted 20-plus years ago by big shot super-booster alumni. It’s president at the time was a Catholic priest by the name of Schiavo. He immediately cancelled the storied program outright (national champs in the ’50’s, Bill Russell, KC Jones..), and that was that. San Francisco BB fans were stunned, but only that. Darn near everyone I spoke with respected the stunning decision. The program was “on hiatus” for many years, at least a decade. And then, one day, it was suddenly announced that the program would be reinstated. And it was. End of story.

              • Tybalt

                Yes, that would be the proportionate response here too I think. Wind up the football program, or perhaps cancel for two seasons and then step down to Division III. Obviously the legal/financial implications would cause severe difficulties, but I don’t see any other appropriate response; cancelling a season is nothing. You have a criminal conspiracy that’s been happening inside your football program and administration, and nothing has been done to root it out, just a couple names off the top.

                • Charlie Sweatpants

                  “cancelling a season is nothing.”

                  If we’re going on morality alone, yeah, it ain’t much. But you’ve got to consider the collateral damage just cancelling the football team would have. Penn State has one of those supposedly “self supporting” athletic departments that not only maintain and build their own facilities but pay for all the other sports, which is scholarship money (in a time of rising tuition) for a thousand kids or so every year. And the only reason it’s self supporting is football.

                  Just pulling the plug on it would be a satisfying news cycle, but it would wreak havoc with a lot of innocent people’s lives, from students and faculty to all the people involved in the local economy (hotels, restaurants, guys selling t-shirts in gas station parking lots) who benefit from football and other sports indirectly.

                  Like it or not, that football program is an integral part of the way that entire university operates. Removing it permanently because Management fucked up makes no sense. Pull the team for a year (change the mascot, uniforms, whatever), burn Paterno’s name off of every building and piece of letterhead, and fire Management.

                  (This is what happens when LGM is headlining the same story on Sunday morning that it was on Saturday morning, two-day long reply strings about hypothetical football penalties that will never happen in real life.)

                • Tybalt

                  “Like it or not…”

                  Well, that’s just it. In a sane world where just action was respected, no one would like it, of course no one would like it. I don’t want to see this happen. But needs must.

                  However, moral imperatives don’t get the play that economic ones do.

                  As you say, Charlie, this is all blue-skying, isn’t it?

              • Actually, USF’s men’s basketball program was gone for four years.

                • Jim Lynch

                  I stand corrected. I’m not a big hoops fan myself.

                  The collateral-damage aspect of an outright cancellation of Penn football is a point well taken- not to mention that anyone responsible for making that decision would be hounded out of the state.

            • Iguana Keeper

              Change it now.

              Penn State Pedos


    “The only downside for us is if the message isn’t ‘heard’ and acted upon, and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it,”

    I threw up a little.

    Hey, we’re not the ones who are gonna get raped. No worries there.

  • Visitor

    PS: shoulda said this first: thank you Paul for all of your excellent reporting on this horror show!

  • Is it possible that the money transferred to Paterno’s estate could be seized without his estate actually being sued? Could the transfer of funds to his estate be viewed as an attempt to shelter them by Penn State?

    • Sherm

      Penn state doesn’t have to worry about fraudulent conveyances. That’s a pretty damn deep pocket. But paterno’s estate should and will be sued by subsequent victims.

      Interesting question — would paterno have been indicted based on these emails inasmuch as they show that he orchestrated the failure to report by his “superiors”? How can a person with a duty to report be absolved from criminal liability because he told his “superiors,”where he subsequently convinced his “superiors” not to go to the authorities?

      • These are the e-mails that weren’t delivered until after he died- but what a hot potato that would have been. I’m not sure anyone will sue Paterno’s estate.

        • Sherm

          Why not? If you are a victim who was molested after February 2001, you have a strong case against paterno. He conspired with other Penn state officials to not report sandusky’s crime at that time (in violation of state law), and faces liability to subsequent victims.

          • Bill Murray

            He transferred most of his money out of his estate before he died, so there is little or no money in his estate.

            • Paul Campos

              Under these facts that’s a fraudulent conveyance and doesn’t insulate the assets from seizure by Paterno’s victims.

              • Bill Murray

                wouldn’t intent have to be proven here?

                • gocart mozart

                  Intent to hide assets? I don’t think that is that big a problem. Negligence on Paterno’s part seems pretty clear.

                  How big is Paterno’s estate? Sandusky’s? The deep pockets are obviously Penn State’s. I envision a civil action entitled John Doe #1, 2, 3, Et Al v. Sandusky & Penn State.

                • gocart mozart

                  If Paterno gifted all his money away and there is no “estate” left, this will pose some difficulties and complications for the plaintiffs.

                • Sherm

                  It’s basically any transaction without fair consideration with knowledge of a claim against you. Such transactions can be set aside. Complicated here with estate planning considerations. Don’t know enough of the facts to offer an opinion. But you can rest assured that smart, aggressive and well-funded lawyers are gonna be trying to extract every dime they can from these SOB’s.

                • Sherm

                  Mozart, gifts by definition are without consideration so they can be set aside as fraudulent conveyances. A lot of work chasing the $, but it can be done.

                • L2P

                  No. Fraudulent conveyances are any transfer from an insolvent party that is not a bona fide purchase. Intent to defraud purchasers isn’t an element.

                • Bill Murray

                  Did Paterno transfer more than his half of their home to his wife? He did this to his wife about a year ago, and I think Pennsylvania law would shield the house

                  because it was jointly owned and therefore could not be subject to creditors of only one of the spouses. The only way the house, valued at $594,484, could be exposed to creditors is if both Mr. and Mrs. Paterno were targeted in a lawsuit, lawyers said.


                • Sherm

                  Yes. If jointly held as husband and wife, his interest passed to her by operation of law upon his death. But what you cited there is not entirely true. A creditor can sell a husband’s interest in a home, which is not worth much because it’s subject to the wife’s interest, meaning that wife can continue to live in house and if husband dies first, the purchaser at the auction receives nothing because of right of survival. If wife dies, the purchaser gets half a house owned as a tenant in common with wife’s estate.

                • Sherm

                  It’s very rare because sales will rarely net the homestead exemption, but it is possible. I actually defended one once. The case settled before the judge issued a final decision

            • Also, after he died, Penn State transferred a large amount of money into his estate.

          • Scott Lemieux

            It also seems to me that this email chain is close to a smoking gun that Sandusky’s resigning in 1998 and never being offered another job despite being the best college defensive coordinator in the country wasn’t a coincidence. Amazing!

            • I think it’s completely plausible that a 55 year old man close to the top of his profession but always denied the chance to run his own show would retire!

              To tell the truth, as a PSU alum, I was completely befuddled in 99 to hear that news. It was always thought that Sandusky would quit to move to be a head coach sooner or later as Paterno refused to retire. But for Sandusky to retire was completely surprising.

              • Charlie Sweatpants

                “I think it’s completely plausible that a 55 year old man close to the top of his profession but always denied the chance to run his own show would retire!”

                But that’s an easy lie, isn’t it? Penn State directs all inquiries to Sandusky, who says he has a “family matter” or some such. Repeated enough times, that could become plausible. It’s even (sorta) true, in a deliberately-covering-up-child-rape kind of way.

                • They put out the last-chance-to-retire-at-full-salary story, which was true but irrelevant.

  • Sherm

    I just wish that the phony old moralist was still alive to be deposed and humiliated over and over again in the impending civil suits.

    • Barry Freed


    • Furious Jorge

      Harumph, harumph.

    • Tybalt

      There will still be a lot of phony old moralists to be humiliated over this. I don’t *really* care over that; football coaches will continue to be treated as gods exhibiting heavenly morality to earth, so it seems it doesn’t really matter.

      What’s key, going forward, is that some of us remain to bear witness against them.

  • JMG

    I proposed this at another site, but I still like the idea: All damages accruing to Penn State as a result of this horror should be paid by levying a surcharge on football tickets, and on a sliding scale so the luxury box holders really get walloped. In the final analysis, these are the people who make possible the culture that caused this.

    • Charlie Sweatpants

      That would be a damn sight better than what they are (or more accurately, aren’t) doing.

  • Mudge

    Penn State is the Catholic Church writ small. The roles?..Pope Spanier, Cardinal Paterno, Bishops Curley and Schultz protecting Father Sandusky.

    But the Church doesn’t leave e-mails.

    • Paulk

      More like Paterno as Henry II:

      “Will no one rid me of these meddling children?”

    • Illuminated manuscripts are so much easier to shred.

    • emrventures

      Yeah, there’s a reason Vatican City is its own sovereign nation. No pesky disclosure requirements to deal with.

  • greylocks

    If Spanier had so little concern for younger children, what sort of concern did he have for his university students?

    • The kind of concern that one has for the people whose tuition is helping pay for your salary increases.

      • firefall

        So, roughly less than the concern a veal farmer has for his calves

  • Sherm

    These emails also show the inadequacy of state reporting laws which provide the option of reporting suspected abuse to a work superior. These laws need to be changed to require reporting directly to the proper authorities. Child advocacy groups need to hammer away on this point.

    • Barry Freed

      Absolutely. Can you imagine similar laws involving reporting of other suspected crimes?
      “Yes, your honor, I saw the murder take place and immediately reported it to my supervisor.”

      • Informant

        Except that I’m not aware of any states that have mandatory murder reporting requirements (at least for people who aren’t medical professionals conducting examinations of the deceased). Child abuse reporting laws are an exception to the general rule that bystanders have no responsibility to report crimes.

        • Sherm

          Yes. Unique to child abuse and Seinfeld finales

          • Bill Murray

            Wait, I was supposed to report to my supervisor that I watched the Seinfeld finale? I know ignorance of the law is no excuse, but that’s a real nothing burger

  • Scott Lemieux

    The only downside for us is if the message isn’t ‘heard’ and acted upon, and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it

    Glad they wore focused on the most important potential consequences of their decision to shelter and enable a child rapist!

    • Sherm

      Yes, their own asses, how unfortunately ironic. Looking forward to hearing that spanier has been indicted. Btw — you and Paul have both been great consistently correct and prescient on this matter. Thanks

  • DrDick

    This is hardly surprising. It has always been beyond the bounds of credulity that Paterno did not know and was not actively involved in the cover up. Sadly, this is all too typical of how big time college athletics operates in this country.

    • To paraphrase Jimmy Cagney in Ragtime, as long as you have Joe Paterno on your payroll, Mr. Spanier, you are not the pres-i-dent of anything.

    • efgoldman

      When they picked the jury, I thought for sure the fix was in, because over half of them had a direct connection with the university. Clearly and thankfully, I was wrong. That’s the thing that leaves me optimistic, going forward. First, all the evil is now public, in exhausting and disgusting detail. Second, what was essentially a PSU jury heard it all and slammed the sumbitch on 45 counts. Sure, there will be some irrational denial in the community; there are flat-earthers, too. Overall, though, I think the memories of Paterno won’t be all blue ponies and unicorns in white helmets.

      • Desert Rat

        Don’t bet on it.

        There won’t be any deification of St. Joe in 2012…but about 20-25 years from now? What do you want to bet all is forgiven.

        For a more local example in my own state (and sadly, my alma mater), Google “Frank Kush” “Kevin Rutledge” and “Arizona Boys Ranch” sometime.

      • John

        How easy it would be to find a jury in State College where a large percentage of people don’t have some connection to the university? It’s not as though there’s much else going on there.

        • efgoldman

          That’s why the prosecution filed for a change of venue. Which was refused.

  • Davis

    I’m glad to report that the immediate reaction of my nephew, who was graduated from PSU a few years ago and is (or was) a big football fan, was “Clean House!” So not all alumni are in denial.

    • Matt P.

      Also an alum, decently big football fan, exact same reaction, except with much emphasis on firing Paterno, the corrupt controlling godfather of State College. Anyone who knows that university and that community who tells you that they were/are shocked or refusing to believe that Saint Joe could have knowingly covered up something like this… is intentionally lying to themselves. The guy was old-school in the worst senses of the word, and Penn Staters knew it. Like a Stephen King story, though, they just pretended not to see…

  • Rob

    Hard to believe that a man who made millions upon the free labor of his players might not be a saint.

    • hickes01


  • Barry Freed

    Someone ought to change the Paterno’s rather disgustingly apologetic Wikipedia article to reflect this news (check out the whitewashing in the “Assessment of Paterno’s actions” section).

    • Alan Tomlinson

      Editing Wikipedia is like using a hand fan for cooling in the Sahara at noon.


      Alan Tomlinson

      • greylocks

        I’ll put my money on the fan.

  • Joshua

    The first thing I heard when Bill O’Brien was hired as PSU head coach was that he isn’t part of the Penn State family and knows nothing of “The Penn State Way.” Which is the whole point but the type of people who care about fraudulent bullshit like “The Penn State Way” have already developed a blind spot to their beloved university’s handling of their famed pervert.

    • efgoldman

      The first thing I heard when Bill O’Brien was hired as PSU head coach was that he isn’t part of the Penn State family and knows nothing of “The Penn State Way.”

      Exactly right. Which is why all the blue n’whiteys were dead set against it.
      I don’t know that O’Brien is a strong enough personality to do all of what needs to be done, in the face of virulent resistance. On the other hand, he is fruit of the Belichik tree.

      • emrventures

        Belichick is at worst a cheater for taping opponents’ practices, and a cold-blooded cutter of veterans who’ve done him yeoman’s service but are no longer deemed sufficiently useful. Still a big jump to abetter of child rape.

        • efgoldman

          You misunderstand. I wasn’t positing comparative evils. I meant that Belichik’s staff is a hell of ca training ground, and if anybody can overcome the resistance at PSU, it might likely be from that coaching tree.

  • John Emerson

    Graham Spanier, president of a major research university, (and family sociologist, demographer, marriage and family therapist, and founding editor of the Journal of Family Issues) ….

    Cynicism never looked so good.

    • Taylor

      Spanier has been lecturing people about morality for years.

      I hope bankruptcy and jail time loom in the future of that SOB hypocritical enabler of predatory paedophilia.

  • It was supposedly Freeh’s investigation that turned up these e-mails, so that is a welcome surprise in terms of how this is being handled (because I think competence was not especially expected, though obviously Penn State should have found them prior to this.

    • greylocks

      It’s probably better that Penn State didn’t find the emails first.

  • urizon

    How is this not a RICO case?

    • Barry Freed

      Yes. See also: Church, Catholic.

  • herr doktor bimler

    “I am having trouble with going to everyone, but the person involved,” Curley allegedly continues.



    person involved in an accusation of rape does not seem to impinge upon Curley’s consciousness.

    • herr doktor bimler


      • Visitor

        but better your tags fail than your conscience.

        How Spanier can sleep at night… not sure if his is functioning.

  • Desert Rat

    A Dr. specializing in “Family Issues”? Where from, James Dobson U?

    I don’t see Paterno as any more, or less, culpable than Spanier and Curley. Not once, did it occur to any of these three senior members of the administration of the Kiddie-Raping Klown Kollege that was the Penn State Athletics Department to think about the children. Not once. I agree with your paragraph, but Curley and Spanier could have put a stop to this in 2001. Paterno didn’t have enough control to cover up an investigation into child rape. Frankly, if there is a hell, there’s a special circle in it for guys like Curley, Spanier, and Paterno who had a chance to put a stop to it and failed to act.

    As far as I’m concerned, the only one who doesn’t come out of this looking worse is McQueary. He should have still gone to the police when it became apparent that his bosses were willing to cover up rape, but he doesn’t look any worse than these guys do.

    • Anonymous

      We’ve been down this road so many times before.If Joe Paterno had been aware of this abuse, all he needed to do was to call the Governor, and with Paterno’s pull, this matter would have been taken care of quickly and quietly. Joe had the means to handle this problem, don’t kid yourself.

      • Walt

        Paterno was the God-King of Pennsylvania. He could have called the legislature and said “I can’t really say why, so don’t ask any questions. I need you to pass a law ordering Sandusky to be killed,” and it would have happened.

  • swearyanthony

    Curley adds that he intends to inform Sandusky that his “guests” won’t be allowed to use Penn State facilities anymore.

    Please tell me they didn’t really call his rape victims “guests”

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  • Cstevenhager

    Of course, joe was one of the leading moralists of the NCAA, often pontificating about Barry Switzer at OU and his wicked ways. The blindness of those who will not see…

    • Scott Lemieux

      Well, in fairness, it’s hard to argue that a player generating enormous amounts of revenue for no pay getting a new jacket isn’t a million times worse that covering up for a serial child rapist. I mean, priorities, people. If it can be proven that Switzer got his star running back a cushy job with a booster he should get the death penalty.

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  • CJColucci

    I’m not so sure it will be all that hard to “rehabilitate” Penn State’s football program. The new administration will implement a policy against sodomizing children; the new coaching staff won’t sodomize children; if someone does, he will be dealt with severely. Then all they have to do is win. Perhaps this sounds more cynical than it is intended to be: avoiding sodomizing children or covering up sodomizing children will be a genuine accomplishment. It will be a real improvement.

  • Joe Paterno did nothing more than any good Catholic Cardinal would do. Last I heard Bernard Law is a major part of the hierarchy in Rome.

    That said, I no longer am a practicing Catholic, and I no longer have anything good to say about Joe Paterno or Penn State, either.

    Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt, my friends.

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