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After the Parties Collapse

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Let’s look to the future. Today, more than most days in the past, really does feel like the wheels are coming off. Once the chaos is no longer driving the day, we are going to have to make many changes.

This thread caught my eye over the weekend. Definitely possible that both parties collapse, although the ends are likely to come differently for each of them. It’s a thought experiment.

So the interesting thing here from my perspective is people who don’t take long term history seriously can’t imagine either of our two parties just… collapsing. But that’s US history. I think the Republican Party already collapsed and what we have is a parasite walking around a dead body. 1/— Rosemary Joyce (@rajoyce.bsky.social) 2025-06-23T03:15:36.916Z

That parasite will die; the husk will stop moving. Its followers aren’t a party; they are a cult of the parasite, which is sucking out animating substances (money!) for its own use. When the parasite dies, the cult members will no longer be an organized political force. They’ll be independents. 2/— Rosemary Joyce (@rajoyce.bsky.social) 2025-06-23T03:19:14.751Z

The “normal” Republicans who have been leaving politics to wait to take over (Romney) won’t find party members waiting in the shadows to re-emerge. Those conservative voters either checked out of politics, went with the cult (so will become Independents) or are mixing into the other party. 3/— Rosemary Joyce (@rajoyce.bsky.social) 2025-06-23T03:22:42.596Z

Mixing in with the other party indeed. If the party you have belonged to becomes the tool of a racist, sexist would-be dictator and you’re a kind of middle of the road, live and let live Republican, you might move over to a party that has declared itself against racism and sexism. There are a lot of these people in the Democratic Party right now, and I don’t grudge them that. Our two-party system is limiting.

I think of Amy Klobuchar, for example, as a liberal-leaning Republican I could respect. She is entirely the wrong person to speak for the Democratic Party, but she would have done well as a Rockefeller Republican.

The centrists are basically Republicans from an earlier time mixed in with the Democratic Party. Again, people I could respect but not agree with, but utterly wrong as drivers for a Democratic agenda.

The Democrats now are struggling to define themselves. It’s painful to watch and may well be a second route to the replacement of a party. But this won’t be implosion. It might be fission, with a small group holding on to the name and structure while others break free and define a new structure. 4/— Rosemary Joyce (@rajoyce.bsky.social) 2025-06-23T03:25:37.053Z

What I don’t see happening (yet) is a faction within that formerly progressive party taking the step of framing a real third option that might draw significant voter loyalty from a mass of disillusioned voters who now see themselves as independents. The comparison may fail here but: 7/— Rosemary Joyce (@rajoyce.bsky.social) 2025-06-23T03:32:44.918Z

I’ve left out her discussion of the formation of a new party in Honduras in 2013, the Libre Party.

The new Libre party did not try to create a big tent. It committed to a range of very progressive positions and stayed strong on them. It emphasized the lack of representation of everyday people but the existing parties. And that worked. 8/— Rosemary Joyce (@rajoyce.bsky.social) 2025-06-23T03:34:22.919Z

If the analogy is useful, the successor to the Democratic Party should be generally populist and firmly in favor of rights of all genders, assert LGBTQ rights, assert the need to acknowledge the uneven burdens carried by some people due to racialized power. Leave the wafflers behind. 9/— Rosemary Joyce (@rajoyce.bsky.social) 2025-06-23T03:37:30.274Z

What helped in Honduras was the president removed in the coup and his charismatic wife (now the president herself) personified the attack by elites on the popular vote. The symbolism will be different here, but we need a voice and body to stand for the outraged people. Some possibles exist. 10/— Rosemary Joyce (@rajoyce.bsky.social) 2025-06-23T03:40:59.707Z

But the other part that made this more than a mirror of the parasite and his cult was that the new party started from grass roots organizing across a network of existing civil Soviet organizations, linking farmers, women, indigenous and Black activists who led the creation of the party values. 11/— Rosemary Joyce (@rajoyce.bsky.social) 2025-06-23T03:42:54.792Z

That’s why the mass demonstrations arising from a decentralized network of activists give me hope. Why I am happy when individual Dems show up, but not pinning my hopes on the party. Even though we may need to vote for it for a while— the people, united, are leading the creation of new values. 12/12— Rosemary Joyce (@rajoyce.bsky.social) 2025-06-23T03:45:06.624Z

A new Democratic agenda would be more left than the party leaders are now. It’s hard to tell from current polls where the rank and file are if one subtracts the centrists. On the other side, too many leftier folk have given up on electoral politics and insist on purity tests. Whatever turns out to work as core values for a reconstructed Democratic Party will not be as left as some want and will be ragged around the edges. But if the centrists decamped to a new Republican Party, we could have a productive discussion.

It’s still some distance into the future, although Trump has sounded seriously unhinged over the past 24 hours and has illustrated a disastrous inability to understand what foreign relations entail over the last week. Might that precipitate something? Stay tuned, as I think he said in one of his posts.

One way or another, this is worth thinking about.

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