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Trump again blames all sides for Virginia violence in bizarre, chaotic press conference

President Donald Trump on Tuesday adamantly defended his response to the deadly white nationalist rally in Virginia in a chaotic press conference, backing again into the blame of all sides that put him into bipartisan hot water.

Bickering with reporters, some of whom he called “fake news,” Trump defended the protest that led to the violence and contended that some of the individuals carrying torches at the white nationalist rally did not have bad intentions.

“You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly,” Trump said at Trump Tower in New York. He repeatedly stressed that the rally started over the potential removal of a statute of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.

Asking the rhetorical question of whether Presidents George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, he asked, “Are we going to take down Thomas Jefferson’s statue?”

The bizarre display will likely do little to staunch the bipartisan criticism heaped on Trump on Saturday after he condemned violence “on many sides.” The White House attempted to limit the damage Monday, when Trump made a statement condemning neo-Nazis, white supremacists and KKK members.

Only three and half more years of this to go.

UPDATE: Maybe not. I’m told that FOX News has done a sudden 180 on Trump after this performance. Has Murdoch decided to pull the plug on this show?

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  • DN Nation

    Trump is a stupid asshole who should be thrown out of the White House.

    • Domino

      Can’t wait to hear how so many Congressional Republicans are appalled and dissapointed (anonysmously, of course. Don’t want to have him come after them publicly!) and proceed to do everything he asks of them.

      • Just_Dropping_By
        • humanoidpanda

          Ok, what next? Is little Marco going to to put holds on everything until Bannon is out? Is he going to demand Kobach committee is defunded ? Is he going to introduce a new VRA?

          • humanoidpanda

            I mean sure, I don’t demand he stops voting for repeal or for conservative judges- this is what he ran on – but cmon.

            • Bruce Baugh

              This is where I’m at. A bunch of Republicans said genuinely good things in their criticism of Trump this weekend. But will any of them act on it? Will we see confirmations opposed or demanded, firings sought, legislation passed? If so, I’ll be glad to see it. But I’m not expecting a bit of it.

              • humanoidpanda

                Yep. And they don’t have to become liberals either ! Go ahead, cut taxes , slash regulations. But put a stop to this.

                • Bruce Baugh

                  Absolutely! I’d be very happy to have someone demonstrate a non-white-supremacist conservatism.

                • Sentient AI From The Future

                  And a pony.

                • Bruce Baugh

                  With lasers. :)

              • Thlayli

                Talk is cheap.

              • Hogan

                Hey, environmental regulations shredded? Go to town on those bad boys. Media consolidation? Boo yah. Fucking over immigrants? We got your back. But if you could lighten up on this overt Nazi shit, it would really help us out. Just sayin. Think about it. Whatever.

                • so-in-so

                  Screwing over immigrants is not unrelated to the pro-Nazi sentiments. Their concept of “immigrant” doesn’t include white Christian Europeans.

          • He hates being in the Senate, and is stuck there. One way out is 2020 primary challenge.

            I’m not saying it’s smart or good, but he’s dumb and bad, so could be his thinking.

            • No primary for Rubio until 2022. Assuming there’s still a US Senate and not a Senatorum Imperialis.

              • I was talking about an R Pres primary in 2020.

                • Ah, I see what you mean. That wouldn’t get him out of the Senate unless he actually won, though. Which is extremely unlikely.

    • DrS

      Unfortunately it’s only two stories high. Sad!

      • DN Nation

        Four, actually! Bigger than it looks.

        • And three stories is the maximum height at which falls are generally survivable…for in-their-prime adults.

          • D. C. Sessions

            The rule is to assume serious trauma for falls greater than six times the victim’s height. I’ve had arguments with docs about that, because the physics doesn’t scale that way; a six-foot-tall adult can’t safely fall half again as far as a four-foot-tall child. But never mind: Drop Trump 20 feet and he’ll be out of the game long enough that Pence can make sure he never comes back.

        • Hypersphericalcow

          It’s like Time Lord technology: the White House is stupider on the inside than it looks from the outside.

        • DrS

          Huh. Sometimes facts are actually fun!

    • N__B

      Well, duh.

  • Hypersphericalcow

    Christ, the mood in the Führerbunker was calmer than this.

    • BigHank53

      The actual Nazis were smart enough to figure out what was going to happen on the next page of the script, unlike Herr Trump.

      • Hypersphericalcow

        There must be a whole lot of people in the White House who are nervously eyeing the exits right now.

        I suspect that Ivanka will shiv anyone in her way during her escape. It will probably be Donald and his sons in the Oval Office as everything burns down (I’m assuming that Kushner will already be wearing government-issued orange. Ah, fantasy).

    • D. C. Sessions

      How many variants of the Downfall bunker burnout scene have been done already for Trump?

      • Hypersphericalcow

        Hitler was way more coherent in that scene than Trump has been in the last two years.

      • Domino

        You know, that is a great movie, and there’s another great scene later on, where Hitler is having dinner, and in two sentences goes from “Sorry I didn’t get you anything for your birthday” to “The German people are not strong enough, and should all be wiped out.”

        I get Trump can give off those vibes at dinner if he’s among family and supporters.

        • D. C. Sessions

          It is a great movie — a pity so few in the USA can understand the original German, because there are parts lose a good bit in translation.

          • weirdnoise

            It’s still worth watching even for non-German-speakers.

  • Dr. Waffle

    We’ll no one rid me of this meddlesome Cheeto?

    • Hypersphericalcow

      Well, certainly not by eating him.

      • Helmut Monotreme

        Where’s Jaws when you need him?

        • gocart mozart

          I new eventually someone would blame all this on the Jaws.

      • Judas Peckerwood

        Couldn’t we just lose him behind a couch cushion?

        • Hypersphericalcow

          I would be nervous about what he might mutate into.

        • Hogan

          “The Ring and its bearer must go hence,” agreed Goodgulf, “but where? Who shall guard it?”
          “The elves,” said Gimlet.
          “The dwarves,” said Legolam.
          “The wizards,” said Arrowroot.
          “The Men of Twodor,” said Goodgulf.
          “That leaves only Fordor,” said Orlon. “But even a retarded troll would not go there.”
          “Even a dwarf,” admitted Legolam.
          Frito suddenly felt that all eyes were on him. “Couldn’t we just drop it down a storm drain, or pawn it and swallow the ticket?” he said.
          “Alas,” said Goodgulf solemnly, “it is not that easy.”
          “But why?”
          “Alas,” explained Goodgulf.
          “Alackaday,” Orlon agreed.

      • I think the original word was “tumultuous” |t(y)o͞oˈməlCHo͞oəs| adjective.

        • making a loud, confused noise; uproarious: tumultuous applause.
        • excited, confused, or disorderly: a tumultuous crowd | figurative : a tumultuous personal life.

        • wjts

          “Turbulent” is the most common alternative.

  • SomeTreasonBrewing

    What if Bannon is gonna get canned because he isn’t racist enough?

  • Lost Left Coaster

    “Not everyone who marched with the neo-Nazis was actually a neo-Nazi” may be one of those things that sounds good inside the heads of exceptionally stupid people, but once it is said out loud, it don’t make a lick o’ sense.

    • DN Nation
    • Yixing’s Fluffer

      Video: Neo-Nazis screaming “Jews will not replace us” and “blood and soil!”
      PotUS: You had some very fine guys very quietly protesting the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue.

      • Well, to be fair, with the neo-Nazis screaming so loud, the very fine, very quite protestors were very, very hard to hear.

    • Hypersphericalcow

      It’s one thing when dingalings like A.N.S.W.E.R. glom onto marches against the Iraq war or whatever. And that’s a problem!

      But what on earth would motivate you to go to a march organized by white supremacists, unless you were at least somewhat sympathetic to their cause?

      • SatanicPanic

        If someone wanders into a march where nazi flags are on display and their first thought isn’t- oh shit I need to get out of here, fast- then they suck and I don’t care what is in their heart.

        • wjts

          I am prepared to make a tentative exception for the Parade of International WWII Flag Collectors.

          • Helmut Monotreme

            In 1945 there may have been parades of people transporting those flags to trash fires. It would have been an honor to carry or better yet drag those flags in that parade.

            • D. C. Sessions

              That would have been wasteful. There were perfectly good, appropriate, uses for those flags.

              For instance, knackers still needed a cheap and reliable way to transport roadkill.

              • Sentient AI From The Future

                A little bit of Bakelite for a support and they’d probably have made good bedpan absorbents

        • To be fair, you seem to be forgetting the tiki torches. There are all kinds of things, until last weekend most of them fun and wholesome, that tiki torches are associated with. They may have seen the tiki torches and been so overwhelmed by excitement that they missed the racist regalia and chants.

          It ain’t much, but I haven’t heard a better excuse from anybody.

          • disqus_gYrZCxNA7l

            they will have to tear my tiki torch from my cold DEAD HANDS!

          • mattmcirvin

            If citronella torches are outlawed, mosquitoes will proliferate and millions will die in malaria epidemics! Anti-Nazis are worse Nazis than Hitler, just like Rachel Carson!

            • CP

              If citronella torches are outlawed, only outlaws will have citronella torches.

              And that would suit me fine.

          • SatanicPanic

            I don’t care how nice the luau is, if there’s a swastika I’m bailing

          • Richard Gadsden

            Tiki’s response was great:

            https://www.facebook.com/TIKIBrand/posts/10154458849046324

            TIKI Brand is not associated in any way with the events that took place
            in Charlottesville and are deeply saddened and disappointed. We do not
            support their message or the use of our products in this way. Our
            products are designed to enhance backyard gatherings and to help family
            and friends connect with each other at home in their yard.

        • From what I’ve seen of these pics and the torches and the chants, that’s true and it was part of the majority of them (to say nothing of the confederate flag and what it means). I was in Seattle’s solidarity against hate and there were flags (USSR?!) that I didn’t agree with but which were there nonetheless and I didn’t walk away. In my favor, there were a couple and that was it.

      • Sentient AI From The Future

        heritage, not hate

    • Thirtyish

      “My supporters are not neo-Nazis. They might be pigs, liars, idiots, and neo-Nazis, but they are NOT porn stars!”

      • gocart mozart

        Also, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists.

    • wjts

      To be Scrupulously Fair, white nationalists, neo-Confederates, and neo-Nazis are not identical. Much like the northern flying squirrel, southern flying squirrel, and Humboldt’s flying squirrel are not identical.

      • Shemp Marx

        This would be funny if several variants of this argument weren’t being forwarded by dozens of well-paid nutjobs and thought of as “important questions”.

      • JerBL

        This is like distinguishing between different kinds of herpes: it’s not that the differences are unimportant, or can’t have real consequences, but they shouldn’t change your overall emotional response.

    • MikeG

      Yeah, some were regular Nazis.

      • ColBatGuano

        And others were just white supremacists. So, the whole panoply of humankind.

        • wjts

          All the colors of the rainbow from ivory to eggshell to cream.

    • “Not everyone who marched with the neo-Nazis was actually a neo-Nazi” “

      Do you know that they didn’t somehow scare up one of those nonagenarian ex-death-camp-guards and bring him along for a touch of the genuine, non-neo, thing? Hmmm? CHECKMATE, LIBTARD.

  • Yixing’s Fluffer

    I love that he had to brag about his stake in a Charlottesville winery, which he lied about being the largest in the country. He never lets his bigotry crowd out his pride.

    • He never lets his bigotry crowd out his pride.

      Two sides of the same coin. TRILLION DOLLAR COIN, loser! The biggest, best, coin EVER.

      …It’s not platinum, it’s polonium. And it’s burning a hole in his pocket.

      • N__B

        Polonium was created to be a tedious windbag. “To thine own self be true, regardless of your hair falling out and internal organs shutting down.”

        • The rats are deserting the sinking arras, forsooth.

        • Hogan

          Dead for a ducat.

    • randykhan

      Supposedly it’s his son’s winery now. Just saying.

      • Yixing’s Fluffer

        Are we still playing that game? :o)

  • royko

    “I want to make sure, when a make a statement that the statement is correct … There was no way of making a correct statement that early. I had to see the facts,” he contended, adding, “unlike a lot of reporters.”

    The president himself previously labeled an incident a terrorist attack minutes before authorities called it a robbery. He has also made various politically-charged, unfounded claims since he took office.

  • McAllen

    Now that Trump’s used the term “alt-left” can liberals maybe not use it anymore?

    • Correct, though I thought it had largely been killed off by both Hannity using it and the fallout from the Wolcott article. And the group it describes has always been fairly small.

    • Lost Left Coaster

      I don’t hear it much but I never liked it and I agree, Trump using it should be the death knell for the term.

    • mongolia

      i agree that it should be retired, but it’s annoying that we have to retire it since it’s a nice shorthand for “people who thought clinton was as bad as or worse than trump, and are willing to find common cause with the alt-right (neo-nazi’s) for their pet projects like anti-imperialism (read: pro-putin/pro-assadism) and single-payer (read: herrenvolk welfare state).” i’m probably just going to refer to these types as “clinton worse than trump ‘leftists’,” but it’s so much clunkier than “alt-left”

      • Manny Kant

        I like to call them “The Left” or “The Left (TM)”

  • “‘We tried to tell y’all.’ – Ancient African-American proverb.”

    The Praetorian Guard would know what to do.

  • bexley

    Why won’t Trump mention the words radical white terrorism?

    • SatanicPanic

      careful, he might do so approvingly.

      • DN Nation

        Yeah, that “radical” could be “radical” as in “radical railslide, brah.”

      • Thirtyish

        Just this morning he retweeted the fascist designation seemingly approvingly, so yeah.

        • N__B

          Look for the fascist label
          when you are buying that gov, rep or prez.
          Remember somewhere our union’s crumbling,
          our wages going to arm the kids, just as Wayne sez.
          We talk tough, but who’s complaining?
          Thanks to the DJT. you’re paying our way!
          So always look for the fascist label,
          it says we’re going to make it in the U.S.A.!

    • Judas Peckerwood

      You misspelled “terroirism” — you know, blood, soil and all of the other elements that give a fascist regime its unique character.

  • rfm

    He said “alt left” so naturally Twitter leftists are chalking the entire term up to the handful of liberals who started using it, despite the fact that it has gained significant currency with national right wing figures.

    • DN Nation

      “We should ally with Richard Spencer because he believes in UHC for white people.”

      What exactly should I call someone who says this, other than “Michael Tracey” or “Intercept employee”?

      • The Great God Pan

        Excuse you, they prefer to be called the “dirtbag left.”

        • DN Nation

          Nah, Dirtbag Left is “UHC is good, also it’s only Neera Tanden preventing it, also (farts into mic).”

        • mongolia

          dirtbag left is a much broader group. they tend to just be bomb throwers in general, and complain about how the dems are always moving right, and generally just making bad arguments. contrast this to the alt-left, which is who dn nation was referring to – they actively think that the trumpy right – bannon, cernovich, spencer types – are the path to get to their policy goals, like single payer. it’s absolutely batshit insane, but types like demorro of nnu, jilani, fang, etc. all think this sorts of insane shit. so there may be overlap between the dirtbag left and “group formerly known as ‘alt-left’,” but i doubt most on the dirtbag left think the way jilani or fang does

      • Herrenvolk, or wingnut-in-denial.

    • gwen

      Who is the alt-left even? Jacobin? Chapo?

      As satisfying as some people around here might find punching those guys to be, I think we can all agree they’re not even in the same ballpark as Spencer, Kessler, Posobiec, David Duke, etc.

      • N__B

        Alt Left is right next to Control Left and Shift Left, left of the space bar.

        • benjoya

          It comes right before Neu Left

        • Hypersphericalcow

          Can I Ctrl-Alt-Del the whole bunch of them?

        • Schadenboner

          I’m the SYS REQ-Left

        • BigHank53

          Crap, I just ordered a 60% keyboard and I don’t even have an alt-left.

        • Sentient AI From The Future

          If you’re an emacs user, ctrl-shift-meta-esc-left is equivalent

          • mds

            Well, at least now we know who eventually wins the Text Editor Wars of 2045.

            • Sentient AI From The Future

              A pyrrhic victory, given the subsequent…messiness, lets call it, with the transgenic burrow owls.

              • AngryWarthogBreath

                We were all distracted by looking in the trees. Why did we think they called it a burrow owl?

                • wjts

                  Jumpin’ Jesus on a pogo stick!

        • arangalanga

          They are bad, but not as loud and annoying as the Caps Lock left.

      • Zagarna_84

        As far as I can tell, it’s the six or seven window-smashing morons who insist on remora-ing onto any protest march that doesn’t shoo them away aggressively enough.

      • mongolia

        alt-left, in the definition i prefer, is people like zaid jilani, rania khalek, nomiki konst, jimmy dore, michael tracey, lee fang, glenn greenwald, rose-ann demorro – ones who actively try and harm dems, try and make common cause with the right, both-sides nazis and blm (in the guise of free speech), are anti-imperialist against the us but defend putin/assad at every turn, pretend that the democratic party is the reason we don’t have a more robust welfare state and think republicans are the way to get there, etc.

        • gwen

          Similarly with the alt-right, we used to just call them assholes.

        • Manny Kant

    • I really loathe the fact that for many lefties, the first instinct is to yell at each other, even in the middle of an event as horrible as this Trump presser.

      • Shemp Marx

        Self-loathing is a helluva drug.

        • CP

          Whadayamean, self loathing? I’ll have you know that I loathe the vile running-dog lackeys of imperialism in the People’s Front of Judea, NOT the wholesome righteous working-class heroes of the Judean People’s Front of which I am a proud member!

      • arangalanga

        Since the parallels with the Weimar Republic keep piling up, it’s good to remember that the German communists (the KPD) thought of the Social-Democrats (SPD) as their main adversary (and vice versa), not the Nazis. They saw the error of their ways too late.

        • CP

          One of the things that shines through in the rise of fascism and WW2 is that very few parts of the political spectrum come out of it clean. The worst offenders are traditional conservatives, who either threw in with the Nazis or tolerated them as a lesser evil, for way too long (most obviously in Germany and Italy, but outside as well). But at the other side of the spectrum, you’ve got all the communists who, even if they didn’t fall prey to the “nach Hitler, uns” fallacy, obediently went on holiday per Uncle Joe’s instructions between 1939 and 1941. And a non-negligible number of people in between who, for whatever reason, ranging from pacifism to other ideological preferences, also don’t end up looking so good. (Vichy for example was mostly a conservative thing, but it attracted its share of liberals and socialists).

          The good guy side, meanwhile, ends up being this hodgepodge coalition of non-communist leftists, communists (after 1941), liberals, and conservatives albeit somewhat oddball ones (neither Churchill nor De Gaulle were exactly typical of their part of the spectrum). Many of whom only joined the antifascist effort partway through. It’s nicely personified by the alliance between the conservative Churchill, the communist Stalin, and the liberal Roosevelt – all of which, IIRC, had some nice things to say about Hitler and Mussolini in the very early days (and, in Stalin’s case, not so early).

          • bender

            You’re the top
            You’re Mussolini

          • Manny Kant

            Looking at the German political spectrum, you can also note that the centrist parties mostly fell into the same accommodationist spectrum as the conservatives.

            The Social Democrats, I think, were not especially morally compromised by their response to Nazism, which they forthrightly opposed. But their response was never effective. They were entirely geared towards the possibility of an extralegal Nazi coup against the republic, rather than a quasi-legal takeover that (initially) respected the forms of Weimar democracy. By the time they realized what had happened, it was too late.

            • CP

              Yep, the non-communist left is about as clean as it gets.

              Unfortunately, I don’t know what they could’ve done differently. It’s true that they weren’t guarded against a legal takeover, but what could they have done to stop it? Declared martial law and pounded the Nazis into the ground? Not an option – the military hated them far more than they did the Nazis, and would never have carried out those orders. Formed a coalition with other parties that could’ve outnumbered the Nazis? That requires the other parties to cooperate, and from what I recall, neither the communists nor the conservatives were prepared to.

              Near as I can tell, the SPD was basically in the position the Democrats were in in 2016. There’s not much you can do when enough of the nation’s institutions and enough of the political spectrum decide that you and the Nazis are equally bad and that in fact, let’s let the Nazis do their thing and see what happens, surely they deserve it as much as you.

              • Manny Kant

                The real moment when the SPD failed was not the Nazi takeover, but Papen’s coup against the SPD controlled Prussian government in 1932. But, again, there wasn’t much they could do. They could have called a general strike, as they did against the Kapp Putsch, but unemployment was so high that it would likely not have been effective.

            • Daglock

              And . . . the Church.

      • mongolia

        this is primarily an online (really twitter) thing. in terms of protesting/voting/organizing, left-leaning types are quite united. it’s just that online, 1000 highly motivated people (typically young brocialist types) can lead to a lot of dumb fights, whereas in the real world that is less than 1% of the vote in a typical congressional district

  • Drunken Interlocutor

    This is not the reality show that I wanted to watch. Can somone please change the channel?

    • D. C. Sessions

      How many episodes did it take to realize that this isn’t Game of Thrones?

      • N__B

        Not enough sex to be GoT.

        • arangalanga

          Thank the Red God for that.

  • raypc800

    Trump puts on great show for MSM and all, gains major media attention on anything that keeps from current Trump/Russia investigation. Less people watch the sooner he will act against it. Remember MSM you are suppose to be the watch dogs of America. How bout a little balance reporting here.

    • aab84

      This argument makes so, so little sense at this point. 4 months ago, fine. Do the “everything is a distraction from Russia” dance if you want. But now there’s a former FBI director investigating him with a team of 16 — literally 16 — white collar prosecutors, most of them from some of the best law firms in the country.

      The Russia shit is going to come out on its own now, regardless of how much the media focuses on the President of the United States being an alt-right racist conspiracy theorist.

      • raypc800

        I am very confident that Trump is very happy you feel that way. Old saying, “Never underestimate your enemy” comes to mind and the number of supporters you have attest to how what Trump is doing is working.

        • Lost Left Coaster

          I’m really not sure that “Trump is a neo-Nazi” is a better situation for him than “Trump is a collaborator with Putin.” Both are bad. Frankly, both are closely intertwined. I think we can talk about both at the same time.

        • randykhan

          So explain to me what precisely is wrong with aab84’s argument.

          • raypc800

            If you are Trump and his minions not one thing.

          • wjts

            raypc800 is a sophisticated political observer who understands that Robert Mueller, his team of 16 prosecutors, their entire staff, and all of the work that they have done so far will immediately disappear in a puff of smoke if enough people stop looking at them. You, on the other hand, are a big dumdum who naively believes that people and objects continue to exist even when you can’t see them.

      • Daniel

        I’m confused by all the distraction that’s going on. Wasn’t Russia supposed to be distraction from health care?

        Seems like everything is designed to distract from everything else.

    • Lost Left Coaster

      He is reaching record low approval levels and record high disapproval levels — he is not doing himself any favours with the public at large by dragging out this story. Certainly he is cementing relationships with the neo-Nazi crowd.

      • raypc800

        The way this investigation even came about was from the masses paying close attention. Remove that attention and invite attack by Trump and his supporters and they do not fight by your rules they have their own rules of engagement. Trumps past clearly shows this.

        • Lost Left Coaster

          I agree that public attention is important, but I also think that as the Mueller probe advances, more attention is inevitable. But I should also be loathe to try and predict the future, given how horrible and wild the ride has been so far.

          • raypc800

            On the Nazi topic the group Anonymous is now involved by the way.

            • solidcitizen

              I have no idea whether you mean that as a good or bad thing.

              Maybe I am missing something, are you arguing that Trump’s seeming support of the alt-right and his “bothsidedoit”ism is a ploy to distract everyone from the Russia investigation?

            • Sentient AI From The Future

              hold the line, boys, the cavalry is on the way!

          • But I should also be loathe to try and predict the future

            As Rudolf Peierls wrote (Surprises in Theoretical Physics, p. 78),

            [W]e can easily perform experiments in which initial conditions have to be specified, but never any requiring terminal conditions. This is the real distinction between past and future. A little thought shows that this is connected with the fact that we can remember the past, and that we can make plans for the future, but not vice versa.

            Some days—and this is one of them—I briefly think I would not be altogether loath to make some new and improved plans for the past.

            But the feeling passes.

        • david spikes

          The masses, the masses-are you fucking kidding me-how old are you anyway

          • OldScold

            Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony.

        • Manny Kant

          If Trump wants to fire Mueller and get away with it, the smartest way to do that is to first ensure that congressional Republicans are already distancing themselves from him as much as possible!

    • sigaba

      Is the “Trump is distracting us” hypothesis even falsfiable at this point? It’s like Chauncey Gardiner– people don’t want to believe he’s a self-destructive moron because he’s rich and people in their Facebook feed seem to like him. It’s all wishful thinking.

      • CP

        “The single, unpleasant truth is that most people, particularly criminals, are NOT complex. They are shallow, greedy sons of bitches to whom we attribute genius planning or complex motivations in order to preserve a false sense of order in our universe.”
        – John Rogers

      • raypc800

        Trump on his own never would of gotten as far as he did. He was put in power by others it is the other ones that you have no idea what there capabilities are.

        • sigaba

          Don’t change the subject. If Trump were simply an idiot blundering from crisis to crisis, how would it appear any different from what he’s doing now?

    • D. C. Sessions

      He’s doing a wonderful job right now of making sure that the whole Party gets wrapped up in red and black flags.

      • raypc800

        Actually the GOP has done that one to themselves for years. They worked hard to attract all of those that support them. Truth is all Trump has done is bring it out in the open. A simple check of policies supported by the GOP and what the Fascists and Nazis support clearly shows that.

    • gyrfalcon

      This is an incredibly valid and compelling concern, as it is exactly the kind of distraction tactic he used back in January to get his travel ban through while we were all agog over his inauguration audience claims, and a massive healthcare-slashing bill passed while we were all talking about Flynn's dismissal.

      In the real world, of course, the American people are capable of carrying on multiple conversations at once, and even realizing that the multiple plumes of greasy smoke may all be caused by the same garbage fire.

    • Chet Murthy

      Look, uh, I think you’re understimating Commander Bone Spur’s opposition. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Do you really think, that if he fired Mueller, and Congress didn’t immediately reinstate, that there wouldn’t be a shitstorm? Really? What, are you twelve? C’mon, man.

      For me at least, ALL of it reinforces. The white supremacy, the fucking corporate swamp, the kill-the-Earth, the putin-Fluffing, etc, etc, etc. the corruption. The incompetence. ALL OF IT. And do you think that others don’t feel this way?

      At this point, if he tries to pull ANY FAST ONES, his opponents will be all over him. WE HATE HIM. WE HATE HIM.

      Yeah, he gave his supporters leave to hate us. Well guess what? We return his hate A THOUSANDFOLD.

      So no, there’s no danger of us forgetting that he’s also out to rape our Republic, after having raped 13-year-olds. No danger of that.

      • Manny Kant

        If he fired Mueller, Congress immediately reinstating would also be a shit storm. And Trump is making that far more likely by doubling down on defending white supremacy, which Republican lawmakers are mostly not fans of.

        • so-in-so

          Well, not OPEN fans of…

  • SatanicPanic

    Oh great, a president cribbing his arguments from dumb internet commenters. Just what we needed.

  • aab84

    The President of the United States is either a personally committed white supremacist or so loathe to criticize anyone who likes him — including white supremacists — that it is functionally identical to being one himself.

    • DamnYankeesLGM

      This is basically what I said in my other post – I don’t know of the two explanation is the real one, but ultimately I’m not sure it matters.

      • CP

        It doesn’t.

        I’m sure plenty of the original Nazis didn’t have a deeply held philosophical belief in the supremacy of the white race (or “Aryan,” whatever the fuck that is) either. Plenty of opportunists and regular morons in that crowd. So what? They still participated in sending twelve million people to the gas chambers.

        • Uncle_Ebeneezer

          Intent is Not Magic, as the Evil SJW saying goes.

      • Thlayli

        In the immortal words of H.R. Clinton: what difference does it make?

    • Thirtyish

      Your average 8-year-old child is more nuanced than the shitgibbon in chief. In the primitivity of his mental schemata, anyone who likes him is, a priori, a good/decent/smart person. Anyone who doesn’t, isn’t. If the former include white nationalists and neo-nazis, then they are “the best people.” He really is that manichean.

      • aab84

        See, I think the speed with which everyone seems to go to this explanation unfairly rules out the possibility that the President just genuinely, deep down in his soul, really, really, really hates black people and really, really, really agrees with the people holding torches.

        Now, I don’t know for sure that’s true (though, like, Central Park Five), but I see no reason to rule it out.

        • His father was arrested at a KKK rally, and was sued for racist rental patterns. Trump followed suit, refusing to rent to black people. I think it is an odds-on favorite.

        • ColBatGuano

          I’m guessing “He’s a racist and an idiot.” is the answer. Plenty of racists know how to code their statements. Trump isn’t bright enough.

        • Hogan

          deep down in his soul,

          Assumes facts not in evidence.

        • eclare

          I think he’s super racist, but I’m not sure he spends all day every day thinking about how much he hates black people and Jews the way that more active white supremacists do. In fact, I’m pretty sure he spends very little time thinking about anything other than himself.

    • MikeG

      American fascists and Russian fascists seem to be the only people he won’t trash on Twitter.

    • President t-rump as King Lear:
      I will have such revenges on you both
      That all the world shall—I will do such things—
      What they are yet I know not, but they shall be
      The terrors of the earth. You think I’ll weep?
      No, I’ll not weep.

      • Mr__Neutron

        Don’t forget the touching reconciliation scene of King Trump telling Cordelia he’d do her if she wasn’t his daughter.

        • AngryWarthogBreath

          I think Ivanka’s Regan, actually. The boys are Goneril, and maybe Tiffany’s Cordelia, but more likely she’s “The One Who Noped Out After Act One And Who Could Blame Her?”

    • gocart mozart

      He is the Village Idiot Destruction of Society.
      God Damn Donald Trump, Clown Shoes and Sobriety.
      GOP is the Desperate Don’s Appreciation Society.
      God Damn the Orange Man and all similar Varieties.

  • 1253 days 18 hours, 48 minutes, assuming one term. But who’s counting, really?

    https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/trump-time-remaining/dcnongegocfmmfmbkecgcaehebmoffap

    • gwen

      Hello yes I would like to volunteer for any scientific cryogenic hypersleep experiments which may be under way.

      • D. C. Sessions

        That’s damned risky, you know.

        • mds

          Compared to where we are now?

          • D. C. Sessions

            You think it can’t get worse?

  • Mike in DC

    My rage at this racist buffoon is measured in hypernovas.

    • Just_Another_Person_123

      I literally have a punching bag on order from Amazon on account of this fu*kwad.

      • does it come with Trump’s face on it, or will you be adding it yourself?

        • Just_Another_Person_123

          It’s a blank slate, but with a printer and some duct tape I will have an endless parade of shitty Trump faces to punch into oblivion…

  • NewishLawyer

    From what I read yesterday, he needed to be frog-marched and forced into doing the second speech.

    What a moral monster. I don’t think I have ever seen anyone with absolutely no redeeming qualities as I see with Trump. Every other asshole, I’ve known has had at least one soft spot. One place of decency. Even Rahm Emmanuel who probably takes pride in being called an asshole has more soft spots and decency.

    • DN Nation

      Um, he seems to be a kind father to Ivanka?

      Too kind, of course. But kind at least!

      • petesh

        Too kind = NOT kind

        • DN Nation

          Yep.

      • N__B

        He’s a kind of father. A very creepy kind.

      • Hogan

        He probably put as much work into actually raising his kids as he does into actually building his hotels.

        • Caepan

          His only connection with them is the Trump name, then when they fail he walks away from them with his pockets full of other people’s money.

          Yup, sounds about right.

      • Hypersphericalcow

        BRAIN BLEACH STAT

      • Thirtyish

        Yeah, he is not a good father.

      • LeeEsq

        Don’t go there.

      • Dr. Ronnie James, DO

        Wayne Barrett covered Trump more than any single reporter, and said Trump was basically absent from most of Ivanka’s childhood. What relationship they have now was largely forged as adults, FWIW.

    • corporatecake

      I have an uncle whom I can find nothing good to say about. He’s a racist, dumb, selfish, entitled asshole, much like Trump, except he was born lower middle class, didn’t have daddy’s money to help him along. He’s terrible and emotionally abusive to his daughter and ungrateful and belligerent to my mother and his brother, the only people who will speak to him. He doesn’t even thank my mother for the thousands of dollars of financial assistance she’s given him over the years. He doesn’t even have a beloved dog.

      Such people exist. It’s unfortunate that one is the president.

      • I have a brother who is intelligent, kind, generous, wonderful sense of humor, a good friend to his friends & family…. but he’s also a Right Winger who voted for Trump and thinks the “Russia story” is a huge liberal lie. He also hates gays, muslims, dark-skinned people, onandon. So I don’t have anything to do with him. Its awful.

        • Veleda_k

          “intelligent, kind, generous[…]He also hates gays, muslims, dark-skinned people, onandon.”

          Bit of a contradiction there.

          • Boronx

            I know someone like that. He doesn’t hate any individual gay person, Muslim, or dark skinned person he knows personally. He is extremely intelligent and creative in a wide variety of areas, but is totally incapable of reflecting on his own bigotry.

    • The Great God Pan

      I’ve heard exactly one anecdote (possibly apocryphal) that paints Trump in a remotely positive light.

      Supposedly, a young boy with terminal cancer was (inexplicably) a major “Apprentice” fan and wanted Trump to visit him and tell him “You’re fired!” Trump made the visit but could not bring himself to “fire” a dying child and did some other activity with the boy and his family instead.

      Of course, I prefer to think of it as Trump denying a dying boy’s final wish.

      • Mellano

        I remember an apocryphal story about Trump’s limo breaking down years ago, requiring a tow, and the tow guy later getting a call from the Trump Organization that Trump was paying off his mortgage as a thank you but he shouldn’t tell the press about it.

        After seeing Trump more closely than I ever wished the last two years, I have no doubt this story is utter horseshit.

        • david spikes

          Since as far as is known Trump has never actually given a dime to charity, any anonymous story highlighting his goodness is bound to be bullshit.

    • stepped pyramids

      I really can’t think of a single relatable or likable thing about him. Aside from his vile politics and loathsome personal behavior, he doesn’t even seem to have any hobbies, read books, listen to music, watch movies, etc. He doesn’t play an instrument. I don’t think he speaks any language other than English. He doesn’t have any odd interests or quirky habits. Even his interactions with his granddaughter don’t seem to go beyond “hey, look at how my granddaughter can speak Chinese, she has the best genes”.

      Like, the closest thing to an actual interest other than making money and self-aggrandizement I can think of is golf, and that’s essentially an automatic outgrowth of being a rich business dude.

      • TopsyJane

        Barack Obama, for one, doesn’t speak any language other than English, unless you count a few very basic sentences in Indonesian. I also don’t know any sitting presidents who go out of their way to broadcast their “odd interests or quirky habits,” should they have any. (Presidential hopeful Senator Bob Graham was undone by them, in fact.)

        Trump has named as his favorite movies Citizen Kane and Sunset Boulevard. He may well end up as the Orange Norma Desmond. (“I was PRESIDENT, Max! PRESIDENT!”)

        • Mellano

          Barack Obama famously follows and plays sports like a nut (competitive pickup basketball player, bad if enthusiastic golfer), reads fiction avidly, seeks out church, and makes as much effort as any father his age to keep up with pop music. He’s not Oscar Wilde, but he’s recognizable as a human being outside of his public life — as indeed most recent Presidents have been.

          • TopsyJane

            None of which is particularly odd, quirky, or unusual. In fact, a president who displayed no interest in sports or working out, or church, would raise eyebrows. (The fiction reading might qualify.)

            Both of those films were actually interesting choices for Trump to make, and it’s nice that he chose a couple of classics, instead, of, say Groundhog Day.

            Not sure what Oscar Wilde is doing in this discussion, but any American president with a tendency to go on about honey-haired boys would certainly rank as odd.

            Trump watches lots of TV, like many of his constituents.

            • jackrabbitslim

              Hot Take: I think Groundhog Day is a better movie than Citizen Kane. Not more innovative or more historically important but better and more interesting.

        • stepped pyramids

          I wasn’t citing his not knowing a language other than English as a strike against him, exactly, it’s just one of the many ways in which his life is extraordinarily narrow. Obama (actually, personally) wrote a very interesting memoir; he liked to play basketball; he liked hip hop enough to be able to make casual references to it; he has a reputation as a comic book fan and famously is a fan of Spider-Man; there’s plenty of pictures of him interacting joyfully with children; interviews with him indicate that he has a wide range of interests (although also the single-mindedness one would expect from someone with the drive to seek the presidency).

          Bill Clinton played the sax, at the very least. Richard Nixon liked to bowl. LBJ liked Fanta. Every president has these little “did you know” things they put in books for children.

          There’s nothing about that with Trump. Of course he says his favorite movie is Citizen Kane, because it’s the “best movie.” He constantly claims to be reading All Quiet On The Western Front, because it’s a well-regarded book. He can’t even competently fake an inner life.

          • Dennis Orphen

            Fresca, not Fanta.

            • stepped pyramids

              Right, right. Fanta is the Nazi pop.

        • Veleda_k

          There is no freaking way Trump has sat through Citizen Kane.

          • david spikes

            Hey, he totally identifies with Charles Foster Kane-another great man who nobody appreciated.

            • Yestobesure

              But is being recognized more and more, I’m hearing

          • Daglock

            Cripes, it’s in b/w!

        • addicted4444

          Obama called himself a nerd. He has never refrained from showing his love and interest in basketball. He also inhaled because “that was the point”.

          That’s just what I can think of immediately. So yeah, please don’t ever compare Obama to the PoS in chief unless you want to look like an idiot.

      • Matty

        I’ve compared him to the old guys at the corner bar a lot, but that’s unfair. Like you said, even they are genuinely proud of their grandkids, and can be perfectly pleasant to talk to as long as the news hasn’t come on yet.

      • Dr. Ronnie James, DO

        By all accounts, he has no actual friends. Zero. Every non-family associate has a monetary/ business relationship with him.

    • anapestic

      I think that if you can’t find any redeeming quality in a person then you either lack some information or you’re not looking hard enough. But it doesn’t really matter: whatever invisible redeeming qualities he has, they’re far outweighed by his reprehensible qualities, and “has at least one redeeming quality” is really not a sufficient qualification to be President.

      Even though I agree he’s a monster, I’ve heard things from him that make me think he has some small sense of humor. Not a big one or a good one, but at least a wee, tiny one, so there’s that.

      • CP

        This.

        I’m told Hitler was nice to his dog. But who gives a shit? It makes it more tragic that he didn’t open a dog shelter instead of going into politics, but a genocidal racist with redeeming qualities is still a genocidal racist.

      • West_of_the_Cascades

        He seems to like children (as long as they are his, and also as long as they are not Marla Maples’s).

    • Rawr

      “Every other asshole, I’ve known has had at least one soft spot.”
      Phrasing!
      (Sorry, couldn’t help it.)

      • Leigh Grossman

        Like Smaug.

    • Sentient AI From The Future

      I have literally met white power tatted dudes in prison who had more of a moral compass.

    • LeeEsq

      Its failure at every conceivable level.

  • “You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly,” Trump said at Trump Tower in New York. He repeatedly stressed that the rally started over the potential removal of a statute of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.

    They were merely protesting the removal of a symbol of the war in which the South fought to perpetuate slavery. Unfair!

    • randomworker

      They didn’t want to be “replaced by Jews” either. Makes sense?

    • Veleda_k

      It’s really about Ethics in Statue Removal.

  • Matty

    Anyone who had “one day” in the “when will Trump go back on condemning Nazis” pool, please collect your winnings.

    • randykhan

      Too bad the pool gets split 10 million ways.

      • Matty

        Yeah, but you know what they say, one-one-thousandth of a penny saved, one-one-thousandth of a penny earned.

  • DamnYankeesLGM

    I gotta be honest, I remain sort of torn to what extent Trump is actually any sort of ideological white nationalist, or to what extent his reactionary, mindless personality just happens to align with them politically. Dave Roberts makes this argument, and I just don’t know. I generally agree that Trump has no beliefs other than dominance, but his racism has a long track record.

    Either way is bad of course. But his press conference today reeked not of someone defending an ideology, but rather someone who understands that His People clashed with Their People, and His People are taking all the blame. To accept blame is weakness. So he instinctively avoids it, displacing or spreading blame. He has no larger ideology.

    • N__B

      Removed.

    • Hypersphericalcow

      Yup. His people were attacked in the “fake news” media, so he had to defend them, even if that required so much spin and prevarication that he ended up literally defending literal Nazis.

    • stepped pyramids

      This is my take as well. It’s not morally preferable or really distinct from being a true believer bigot, of course.

    • keta

      If Trump’s not a “ideological white nationalist” he sure talks a big game about that very thing:

    • NicknotNick

      Not sure there’s a difference — I bet that today, in America, ideology and personality line up quite well. Authoritarian bastards vote GOP; people who are open to questioning themselves and believe in evidence-based policies, fair argument, procedure, and who don’t fear outsiders, vote Democrat.

      Whether you look on that as a fundamental personality or a conscious ideology is up to you.

    • I’m not sure how relevant the question is.

      I think Trump is an authoritarian who fits into a certain kind of worldview, and who also gets along real well with white racists and in racist situations. And white supremacy is an ideology designed to function in a way that fits in with those same kinds of things. And they both agree about a lot of things, not by coincidence, but because they interact with one another.

  • DJ

    Not literally unfortunately.

    His orange makeup sure looked like it was about to melt from his sweltering angry face. Seriously, who does this guy’s makeup, and how much dirt does he have on Trump’s connection to Putin such that he’s been able to keep his job?

  • howard

    the fact that kelly hasn’t resigned yet tells us all we need to know about him.

    the fact that people believed that kelly was going to clean up the oval office’s act tells us all we need to know about them.

    • DamnYankeesLGM

      Is there any reason to believe any of this bothers Kelly? I haven’t been given any reason to believe that anti-bigotry is important to him.

    • Leigh Grossman

      Worked about as well as the original “great white hope” (The phrase referred to a white boxer lured out of retirement to try and beat Jack Johnson, who was pretty much destroying theories of white athletic superiority. Johnson took him apart, and was instead railroaded out of his title via trumped -up criminal charges.)

      • Johnson took him apart, and was instead railroaded out of his title via trumped -up criminal charges.

        On the plus side, white racism kept him from sailing on the maiden voyage of the Titanic. (Wikipedia says Leadbelly made that up. Damn.)

        • Hogan

          But hey, more points for Leadbelly.

  • DamnYankeesLGM

    Another interesting thing about Trump here is the way in which if you interpret him charitably, he’s actually just an exaggerated proxy for most conservatives. What I mean by that is that charitably, most conservatives aren’t really bigoted or racist. What defines them is not their adherence to bigotry, but their shrug when presented with it. Most might not actively harbor ill will towards minorities, but they just don’t care very much. It’s not important. And so other concerns just take precedence. It’s fascinating.

    • AMK

      I think the most charitable interpretation possible is that Trump is actually too dumb to understand what Nazism really implies (to say nothing of the Lost Cause mythology and all that baggage behind the CSA statues). He just has a good sense of his base and knows that this (1) gets them off and/because (2) it pisses off liberals and sends the mainstream media into overdrive.

      That’s the MOST charitable interpretation.

      • Hypersphericalcow

        My charitable interpretation:

        He was completely blindsided by the rally, and the ensuing violence, because nobody told him about it, and even if they did, he would immediately forget it.

        The White House is a clown show, where no-one knows what the fuck is going on, and everyone wants to knife each other in the back. So nobody was able to formulate a coherent media response.

        They give him some talking points on Saturday (and god knows who wrote them). That gets bad press, which makes him mad at 7:00AM when he gets his daily press clippings.

        He has an instinct that his base is upset about being compared to Neo-Nazis. But he’s too stupid to understand why they’re being compared in the first place, or (as you say) the role the Confederacy plays in that.

        So he goes onto a hastily-organized press conference, tries to deflect blame away from the literal white supremacists, and ends up just tripping over his own dick.

        Heckuva job, Donny.

        • I think it’s probably true that he’s being driven by talking points and what people have told him he missed in his previous appearance.

        • david spikes

          He also got the news that white southerners continue to strongly approve of him-therefore they must be good people-the best.

    • Zagarna_84

      That’s pretty damned charitable; most conservatives I’ve seen presented with evidence of bigotry don’t shrug, but rather come up with insane-troll-logic rationalizations for it.

    • david spikes

      And if they’d just try they could all get ahead just like the white folks.

    • Chet Murthy

      *No* *No* Trump & the Central Park Five. No “guy who’s not really that bigoted” writes what he wrote. He didn’t see them as HUMAN. And he never reconsidered his judgment, not even decades later.

      So no, he’s a bigot and a racist.

  • Mutombo

    Trump’s comments were like throwing up the flag.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe_L_jApkHk

  • keta

    Trump was just being his regular asshole, racist, bigoted own damn self in today’s presser. This is who he is, this is who we all have known him to always be, and this is who he always will be.

    But here’s what different: his obstinate, obnoxious stance in the wake of the events of Charlottesville has crystallized his divisiveness, has sharply focused his racism, and has irredeemably stamped him as wholly unfit to be the leader of his country.

    Anyone out there who once hedged about Trump’s beliefs, anyone who was somehow able to give him the benefit of the doubt, anyone who would dare defend him, all those people are now left trying to defend the indefensible. And it’s about fucking time they all got to where sensible folks already were way, way before the last election.

    • Hogan

      From your keyboard to God’s Galaxy S8+.

    • Yestobesure

      I feel like I believed this after he went after the “mexican” judge or the Khan family or after the access Hollywood tape… And 60 mm of my compatriots still voted for the fucker… I hope you’re right this time

  • gocart mozart

    Some people thought he gave a great press conference.
    https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/897559892164304896

    • DN Nation

      Ah well, both sides differ, whatcha gonna do.

    • Hypersphericalcow

      This really is getting into The Onion territory: why do all these Nazis keep liking my posts?

  • brad

    I’m watching it now. He’s literally fucking whatabouting. And now #notallnazis.
    General Lee directly compared to Founding Fathers. The greatest traitor in American history.
    This still is reality?

    • Yestobesure

      We all know how much Trump reveres generals.

  • sigaba
  • Hypersphericalcow

    As far as Nazi meltdowns, I would have gone for the obvious:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcR9k8o4I0w

    • Denverite

      I thought Loomis was FANTASTIC in that scene.

  • sharculese

    The National fucking Review has reached the point of ‘y’know what, turns out Confederate memorials actually are bad, and also Robert E Lee was a traitor.’ So who knows whats gonna happen next.

  • gmoot

    “Well, not everyone who marched in the Women’s March was a woman. Take that, libtard.”

    (Sorry, don’t remember how to do the sarcasm font.)

  • David

    It gets more and more difficult to process this mess every day. Is he dying to ignite skirmishes around the country? To what end? I think most everyone gets it, David Duke certainly does, he’s a white supremacist. This shouldn’t shock anyone.

    What is shocking is just how little anyone is willing to do to push back against him in Congress.

    OT but equally terrifying, wtf do they want with the data from a Trump protester’s website? I can’t seem to find anyone mentioning that the site made threats to his safety which is the only thing I could think of that would require intervention.

    • N__B

      Skirmishes that led to state-pronounced states of emergency would allow him to federalize the national guard. I doubt he’s thinking that far ahead, but Bannon sure is.

      • David

        Fair enough, I used to work for the National Guard in TN, and yeah I can see some of them being just fine with that….

        And since Trump can’t orchestrate anything, the Bannon angle makes sense. I’ll sleep even worse tonight.

    • Zagarna_84

      Ostensibly the purpose of the search warrant is to obtain evidence suggesting that there was a conspiracy to riot.

      Why this would require the names, logins, and posting history of every single one of the people on the site, and not just the ~200 or so who have already been arrested… well, to quote Admiral Chester Nimitz wildly out of context, the world wonders.

    • Hogan

      Is he dying to ignite skirmishes around the country?

      If “the future” were something Trump had any sense of or belief in, we’d be in a very different place right now.

  • randykhan

    If he’s lost Fox News, the articles of impeachment can’t be far behind.
    (Okay, maybe wishful thinking.)

    • CP

      Well, either that or the sun is setting on Fox News’ status as the arbiter of Real Conservatism. Maybe it’s time for some new perspective, from a real conservative source like Breitbart.

      • sigaba

        National Review had an editorial this morning calling for the removal confederate monuments. None of the old voices sway anymore, it’s all Breitbart and InfoWars.

        • DN Nation

          Those idiots will of course pivot to DIDJA KNOW THEY WERE DEMS, but (shrug).

      • Unemployed_Northeastern

        Sinclair’s about big enough now to make a national cable news network…

    • sigaba

      Lead story at Fox News right now is “Hillary Clinton’s Pastor Accused of Plagiarism”

      • AngryWarthogBreath

        “The Lincoln squirrel has been assassinated. We’ll stay with this story all night if we have to.”

      • david spikes

        Thank god this didn’t come out in 2016, it would have knocked emailsghazi right off the air.
        How can a woman with such poor choices in pastors be qualified to be president?

      • Veleda_k

        I actually thought you were joking, until I saw this on twitter.

  • Well, I have to say, the media’s choice of priorities in 2016 is looking really good.

    • FMguru

      Proper email retention procedure is REALLY IMPORTANT, ok?!?

  • Bub, the cynical zombie
    • david spikes

      The were nice, they were quiet, they weren’t bothering anyone-extremely nice people. Helping little old ladies who might otherwise fall down in the dark.

  • Professor Fate

    Yes there were other people there they just happened to be marching alongside Nazi’s and White Nationalists to show their support for …wait? What?
    I mean how does that excuse even work? Really if you don’t want to be called a Nazi don’t hang out with Nazis. It’s really that simple.

    • Hogan

      “Excuse me . . . how do I get to the not-Nazi pro-statue group? Because that’s what I’m here for. What kind of flags do they have? Oh, Confederate? Got it. Thanks.”

    • Yestobesure

      Exactly. The rally was called “unite the right” which meant you were supposed to find common cause with the other people marching.

      • Professor Fate

        If one discovers one has common cause with people carrying nazi flags and chanting the ‘Jews will not replace us’ one needs to withdraw and do a very very searching moral inventory because you have gone off the rails and need to fix things.

  • Now the righties on my FB feed are claiming KKK and BLM are the same. Sigh. I do hope for those who are against Nazis et al, that they aren’t falling for this bit of false-equivalency.

    • CP

      Only the people who are deeply invested in hating the left and needing it to be the number one enemy at all times.

      So, a fuckton of people.

  • cpinva

    “Trump again blames all sides for Virginia violence in bizarre, chaotic press conference”

    you say this as though this was unusual for Trump. It isn’t, it’s been his normal for years now.

  • Reposting from other thread, but this info needs to spread:

    In case you see any right wing shitheads trying to perpetrate Trump’s lie that the counter protesters didn’t have a permit:http://www.nbc29.com/story/

    This shameless garbage president has to go

  • MikeFurlan

    Yes we should take down any shrines to Jefferson and Washington and honestly repudiate the glorification of our genocidal and slave beating past.

    • CP

      Honestly, I wouldn’t really mind that much if that were the case. I’ve long thought that America’s cult of the founding fathers is fantastically unhealthy. British people don’t sit around asking themselves What King John Would’ve Wanted when he signed the Magna Carta, French people don’t sit around asking themselves What Emperor Napoleon Would’ve Wanted when he passed the Code Civil, etc.

  • N__B

    Speaking of melt-downs, there’s a racist* beshitting the Althouse comment thread from a couple of days ago. I’ve blocked him, so I’ll miss out on the fun, but if you’re looking for a laugh, there he is.

    More of a nazi-wannbe than a nazi, but who gives a damn about that distinction.

  • Veleda_k

    Well, if other folks are posting their takes on, “Donald Trump, what the fuck is up with him?”

    1. Trump is stupid. He is an absolute moron. He doesn’t understand complex subjects. He doesn’t understand current events. There’s no way anyone could explain to him why his speech should be worded a certain way so that he could understand. His stupidity, combined with his self-obsession is why he can’t take even the most basic advice. I think this is a vital background factor in everything Trump related.

    2. He is racist. He is racist for profit, like on the campaign trail, but he’s also racist even when there’s no real benefit for him, like with his horrible, baseless vendetta against the Central Park Five. Dude is a racist. On the off chance he actually understands anything the neo-Nazis are claiming to be upset about, he agrees with them.

    3. Nothing matters more to Trump than accolades and applause. He needs to be praised constantly. We know this. People say, “Trump won’t condemn his base” and I think that’s true, but I don’t think it’s a political strategy. It’s that Trump only values people who praise him. The Nazis/white supremacists love him, so he’s on their side.

    Anyway, I think those three things account for this and a whole lot of other things Trump does.

    • CP

      The interesting thing is that this basically makes Trump the anthropomorphic personification of the Republican Party as a whole.

      On # 1, they might not be as irretrievably fucked in the head as Trump, but the whole party basically shares the lack of understanding of complex subjects and current events, and inability to take advice. Whether that’s because they’re genuinely incapable of understanding these things or simply because they’ve learned that they don’t have to care about policy, it amounts to the same thing.

      On # 2, same thing. They’re obviously racist, and while a lot of that is just electoral calculation, there’s also plenty of evidence that casual racism at the very least is widespread within the party.

      On # 3, same again: it might not be out of pure neediness, but the party has basically calculated that nothing else matters besides their relationship with the base. And they’re willing to go to enormous lengths to suppress voting so that “us and our base” remain the only parts of politics they have to care about.

    • Yestobesure

      On point 3, notice his weird focus on the tweets from the victim’s mother that praised him… when he hasn’t yet made the time to call her.

  • arangalanga

    If “Defence of white supremacists” is the hill Trump has chosen to die on, then by all means, let’s bury him there, in full confederate regalia and covered with a white sheet.

    • arangalanga

      Then we can all pee on that hill.

  • Unemployed_Northeastern

    Fox News has buried the lede on its webpage below some piece about NK hurting its people (welcome to the last six decades, Fox News). But there is a link to Ann Coulter crowing that “today we got our president back”; I have not the stomach to follow it.

    • Joe Paulson

      Today is when Trump became President … of the Confederacy.

    • david spikes

      Something I’m sick of-members of The Village saying “Yes, her/his views are absolutely abhorrent but other than that they’re great company, just a whole lot of fun.”
      Let us eternally remember Chuck Toad-“Kellyanne is good people.”

  • Mutaman

    “I’m told that FOX News has done a sudden 180 on Trump after this performance.”

    Not sure what this statement is based on.

    • david spikes

      One host got kinda upset. 180 of a very small circle.

      • Mutaman

        Krauthammer – but he has always hated Trump and he is not representative of Fox.

  • e.a. foster

    ONLY///???? 3 1/2 yrs more of this. omg he’s been pres. for 7 months now and all we hear on the news from the U.S.A. is what this nut bar has done and screwed up. oh, well it gives Europe something to laugh at. It was kind of funny the U.S.A issuing a report on religious intolerance in other countries this week while the American president thinks its o.k. for people to go around shouting Jews will not replace us and White lives matter, etc. carrying torches at a university. gee there is some old black and white film of the days of Hitler with similar things, including his brown shirts protesting…….looks like fascism, Nazism has come to America. we have racism in Canada, but at least we don’t have a leader who thinks its an o.k. thing, etc.
    Canada currently has 200 to 300 Haitian refugees coming in from the U.S.A. because they’re afraid they’ll be deported by Trump. At the rate the U.S.A. is going Canada might want to consider getting ready for more American refugees if Trump continues as President.
    Don’t expect the Republicans to do much about him. Some may speak out against what he has said in the past 2 days, but they’ll vote with him on just about everything. It will be interesting to see who wins the Senate race in Alabama. If Luther STrange wins the republican nomination we will know a lot about how racism will continue and if he wins against the Democratic nominee we can expect racism is alive and well in the U.S.A. and they will not be in any position to “lecture” other countries on their Taliban, religious oppression etc. The U.S.A. has joined the ugly set of nations. their president took them there.

    • bender

      What’s going on with the Alabama Senatorial election is normal for Alabama.

      Racism has been alive and well in the USA since forever; what’s unusual is a President consistently and overtly supporting racism against all non-white groups; normally they give at least lip service to racial inclusion and the last previous time we elected a President who didn’t was about one hundred years ago. Hardly anybody expected this guy to win including himself. It’s too soon to tell whether this is a lasting turn for the worse or an aberration.

      Lecturing other countries about their moral behavior isn’t a good look; it’s also tedious when Canada, Sweden and France do it to the USA.

      • so-in-so

        Sadly, it makes clear that a large stain has been present forever, just occasionally made to be more quiet.

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