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Fried dendrites in tRump’s brain or trees blasted in the Tunguska Event? Credit: The Leonid Kulik Expedition.

It was great to watch business leaders leave #TheStupidestPresidentEver’s manufacturing council after his latest pro-bigotry outburst.

Not only is it nice to see people say no to Nazis, but tRump’s yuge, delicate ego is his sole weakness and anything that harms it is good for the rest of the planet.

Being publicly rejected and repudiated by members of the President’s manufacturing Council – people who really are successful – has likely done to his ego what being stuck in a tumble dryer for an hour would do to a spun glass sculpture. Witness his statesman-like response after several members of the Manufacturing Council had announced their departure.

“For every CEO that drops out of the Manufacturing Council, I have many to take their place. Grandstanders should not have gone on,” he tweeted Tuesday morning, adding at the end, “JOBS!”

As of this morning, at least 11 people had left the Manufacturing Council, because the one thing this vicious piece of shit won’t lie about is his affection for Nazis and affiliated scum.

And a few moments ago, his dear Strategic & Policy Forum disbanded.

The business leaders chose to dissolve the council in order to “condemn” the president’s comments about the Charlottesville violence, the same member said. The member described Trump’s defiant press conference on Tuesday as a “tripwire.”

They had heard from employees and customers about the council.

“There really was nothing to debate,” the member said.

That’s great, but it gets better.

Here’s the Liar-in-Chief’s 30 minute solo on le trombone du tristesse attempt to spin this self-inflicted disaster into more winning.

Rather than putting pressure on the businesspeople of the Manufacturing Council & Strategy & Policy Forum, I am ending both. Thank you all!

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  • Frank Burns

    “Rather than putting pressure on the businesspeople of the Manufacturing Council & Strategy & Policy Forum. I am ending both” BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT WORTHY OF MY FIRE AND FURY

    • Incontinentia Buttocks

      I'm sure they are grateful that they've been spared his wrath.

    • MikeG

      Only Trump is so incompetent he could make a business council go out of business.

  • so-in-so

    T’is a thing of beauty, them all quitting and dissolving the group first. Giggles over his “You can’t quit, I’m FIRING YOU!” response. So much winning

    • West

      Yeah, this! What a fucking crybaby, got his frowny face on, letting his petulance rage wild. I bet he is breaking things in the White House. You know, throwing plates of junk food, if not flinging actual poo.

      • BeatnikBob

        But…but…but…

        He was sent to D.C. to shake things up! Kick ass and take names! Win!

        ha ha

        • so-in-so

          Sadly, there are people actually saying that. Probably right now…

          • Robbert

            And he has, hasn’t he? He’s shaken things up alright.

            This is what you get when you take a stupid talking point to be self-evidently a good thing, without stopping to wonder whether it really is. See also: he’s an outsider/not a politician.

      • efgoldman

        What a fucking crybaby, got his frowny face on, letting his petulance rage wild.

        Child took his ball, bat and toupee and ran home to mommy. Awww.

  • brucej
  • MariedeGournay

    And this little piggy cried wee, wee, wee all the way home.

    • JSC2397

      “…wee, wee, wee…”

      And the Russians have it all on tape…

  • Daily Show says Pres of the Confederacy, perfect.

  • NonyNony

    I think his tweets always benefit from the appropriate context:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHSj-wlVYAAzcvP.png

    • Hogan

      Fat Tony: Any last words, Simpson?

      Homer: Yeah, you can kill me, but someone will take my place, and if you kill him, someone will take his place. And . . . that’s pretty much the end of it, the town will be yours.

      • dn

        “Kill Captain Smollett and you’ll have to kill me.”
        “Kill Jim and you’ll have to kill me!”
        “Kill Gonzo and you’ll have to kill me!”
        “Kill Squire Trelawney and Mr. Bimbo and you’ll have to – uh – negotiate strenuously!”

        (Muppet Treasure Island)

    • heckblazer

      In the Vice documentary on Charlottesville some of the Nazi guys were wearing Hydra shirts. Really!

      • NonyNony

        I know. And that makes me angry (everything about this Nazi bullshit makes me angry).

        The fact that those shirts even exist make me angry. Marvel has created an “acceptable” fascist symbol that is worn unthinkingly by lots of comics nerds and very deliberately by actual fascists.

        And Marvel makes bank off of every shirt sold too. So they’re making money from white supremacists by giving them a safe symbol to communicate their ideology while being able to safely pretend that’s not what they’re doing (unlike brandishing a swastika, which as we’ve seen this weekend inspires open revulsion in people who wouldn’t blink if all of those whiteshirts had been parading around Charlottesville carrying Confederate battle flags instead of swastikas).

        • bender

          I’ve never understood the popularity of Star Wars Imperial Stormtrooper costumes at sf and comix conventions, but this is worse. I think Marvel might be susceptible to pressure by an organized fan boycott.

          • NonyNony

            I think Marvel might be susceptible to pressure by an organized fan boycott.

            I doubt it. The current comic book part of Marvel has around 100K people nationally as customers and many of them are the kind of horrible people who would start wearing a Hydra T-shirt just because a bunch of “SJWs” were trying to get Marvel to stop making them. The non-comic book part of Marvel is basically all Disney and they’re mostly immune to boycotts.

            Though some outreach to the higherups to say “hey, did you know that white supremacists are using your Hydra clothing as a Nazi symbol” might have some impact. Disney is touchy about how its imagery gets used so some screenshots from the Vice doc sent to the right places might get some action. I’ll have to think about that.

            • so-in-so

              So long as they don’t try to suppress the documentary as a response.

          • will_ki

            Fun fact – Lucas forgot to copyright the stormtrooper design. So the original creator threw the plans out on the internet. Now anyone with a crude vacuum mold can make one. Thus – hordes of stormtroopers at conventions.

            • Hob

              Like many “fun facts”, I don’t think that’s quite true.

              First, copyrights don’t work that way— you can’t “forget”, if you can prove you created it then it’s yours.

              Second, Andrew Ainsworth didn’t create the design; Ralph McQuarrie did, as work-for-hire for Lucas. Ainsworth executed plastic molds of the design. Then, rather than “throw the plans out on the Internet”, Ainsworth started selling helmets himself. He was legally barred from doing so in the US, but he beat the corresponding lawsuit in the UK due to differences in how copyrights work there for “industrial design”.

              If someone else has put 3-D designs online, that’s their own problem and is still subject to legal action by Lucasfilm, at least in the US.

              More here.

          • so-in-so

            Imperial Stormtroopers are not really menacing. They tend to be tricked easily, their “armor” does nothing to protect them. Also, they started out as good guys in the prequel universe (which still blows my mind, but hey). You can feel sorry for them, unlike the Sith.

            • mattmcirvin

              Not good guys exactly–the creation of the clone army is part of where it all starts to go wrong. They don’t know any better, but it was all obviously a huge mistake.

          • D. C. Sessions

            Storm troopers are popular because they never hit anything they shoot at and you don’t even have to aim in their general direction to take them out.

            They’re the ultimate movie minions.

          • heckblazer

            Sometimes it’s fun to dress up as the bad guy, and I wouldn’t draw any larger conclusions about people who do that with fictional villains. The one friend I have who has stormtrooper armor is also very, very ready to go out and punch Nazis.

        • Hypersphericalcow

          I can only imagine the torrent of profanity that must come out of Alan Moore’s mouth every time he sees an Anonymous dipshit wearing a Guy Fawkes mask.

          • postmodulator

            It’s not like he fucked up the semiotics any less, unless the message of V for Vendetta is supposed to be “papal supremacy forever!”

        • Abigail Nussbaum

          Nick Spencer was on twitter today lamenting the state of the nation, that such things can happen in the public square.

          I’m going to give you a moment to sit with that.

          (Every now and then I’m confronted with the fact that Spencer seems genuinely to believe that with Secret Empire, he’s written a trenchant, thought-provoking political story – an anti-fascist one, no less. Once you grasp that this is the level of thinking you’re dealing with, a lot of his and Marvel’s decisions start making a sick sort of sense.)

          • Gareth

            I have to ask, is he related to Richard Spencer?

          • CP

            Nick Spencer was on twitter today lamenting the state of the nation, that such things can happen in the public square.

            What was utterly surreal is that he was complaining “how can you ‘both sides do it’ your way all the way to NAZIS?” This from the same guy who, after writing a fairly spot-on story about Sam-Wilson-Cap fighting anti-immigrant militias, immediately turned around to give us a story about Cap fighting evil social justice warriors, because Balance!

            “Oh gee, how can you ‘both sides do it’ with fascism?” … everybody here would really like to know that, Nick.

          • Before he became a funny book writer, Spencer was a failed candidate in Cincinnati.

        • SpiderDan

          In fairness to Marvel, I doubt anyone could have predicted that Nazism would come back as a viable political ideology in the USA. It only took 6 months!

          • Snowwy the Black

            It’s been back, and people have been crying out in the wilderness about it for decades. No slack given for willful ignorance.

            • SpiderDan

              To say that it has “been back” is to deny the significant difference between Trump and his predecessors.

              Pre-Trump GOP had to at least take the time to couch their racism in dog whistles. Trump and his followers don’t care. There are plenty of horrible things to say about Dubya, McCain, Romney, et al., but at least they weren’t applying both-sides-ism to literal Nazis.

          • CP

            By the time Secret Empire started coming out, the Trump phenomenon was already well underway. Even though most people didn’t think he’d win, the fact that fascism was being re-mainstreamed right in front of our eyes was already very obvious.

            • SpiderDan

              I think if you had asked almost anyone prior to Election Day what the Trump campaign was accomplishing, they would have said Trump’s resounding failure would prove that there is no place for that kind of politics in America.

              Of course, we were all wrong.

              • CP

                Well… I would’ve said, even though I also believed he’d lose, that that’s a ridiculously naive view. Even if he went down in the general election, Trump would still have proved that you could take over one of the two major political parties by running on nothing but racism unconcealed by any dog whistles. Trump’s defeat wouldn’t have put that genie back in its bottle. One way or another, there was no going back.

                • SpiderDan

                  I think that would have depended on the size of Trump’s hypothetical loss. If he would have gotten blown out, his ability to take over the GOP nomination and get crushed in the general would, in itself, make it harder to take over the GOP next time.

        • heckblazer

          Quite frankly, the t-shirt depicting people being thrown out of helicopters a la the Argentine Dirty War made me much, much angrier.

          • NonyNony

            It’s all been so anger inducing that I’ve lost my ability to even figure out what makes me more angry. It’s all become a haze of general overall anger at all of it.

            I don’t think I’ve ever been this angry sustained for this long ever in my life.

  • kindasorta

    It’s satisfying to watch, but I’m worried by how little tolerance he has for any kind of criticism and how much power this tendency gives his flatterers.

    • Thirtyish

      I think that ship has sailed. We’ve had our answer for at least two years (and longer, for those who’ve followed him prior to 2015): his skin is paper-thin, he cannot tolerate even mild, constructive feedback (let alone full-blown criticism), he will court literally anyone who thinks he’s awesome, and instead of forecasting likely consequences of his actions, he impulsively shoots from the hip and blows shit up whenever he feels like it and then is left unprepared to deal with the aftermath. In other words, he is a 6-year-old who somehow survived in his current, primitive form, without adapting, all the way into his seventies. We are all totally and thoroughly fucked until he is somehow removed from the office for which he is monstrously unfit.

  • DN Nation

    It is confirmed; Trump is actually Vincent Adultman.

    • wjts

      No, Vincent Adultman is actually a pretty good guy.

      • Aaron Morrow

        or three

        • wjts

          That’s ridiculous – he’s clearly a grown-up who works at the Business Factory.

  • A million lols for “30 minute solo on le trombone du tristesse”.

  • bender

    Jennifer Rubin this morning in the WaPo:

    “Fifth, now would be a fine time for formation of a third party, one that can at the end of the Trump presidency repeal and replace the GOP. “

    • yesssssss
      /Mr Burns finger tapping

    • aab84

      I know she’ll probably go back to being terrible once Trump is gone, but the transformation of Jennifer Rubin into a worthwhile opinion columnist who generally avoids whataboutism is just . . . well, one of the more bizarre things in this supremely messed up year.

      • BeatnikBob

        Just because she’s one step closer to sanity than Trump supporters means nothing to me. How many Hillary lies did Jennifer tell? Doesn’t she know about The Ninth Commandment? Those lies gave us Trump. I remain of the opinion that she and the rest of the GOP allowed this to happen. Fuck Rubin, it’s her fault.

        • humanoidpanda

          She endorsed HRC

          • NonyNony

            Rubin was not just an early adopter of the #nevertrump train, she’s one of the few who stayed on it after it became obvious that he was going to be the nominee.

    • Anna in PDX

      The fact that all the neocon editorial squad are my friends regarding Trump is weirding me out so bad. Agreeing with her, Robert Kagan, and Bill Kristol? Strange. I just looked up who all was involved in PNAC and am wondering what John Bolton is saying about Trump these days. Wolfowitz was pro-Trump in April, wonder what he thinks now.

      • NonyNony

        I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again – being anti-Nazi is such a goddamn low bar that any snake should be able to slither over it. When awful people are on my side against Nazis, I will thank them for having the minimal moral compass to understand “Nazis are bad”.

        FDR and Winston Churchill were able to work with Stalin to stomp the Nazis the first time around. Having Kristol, Kagan and Rubin on my side is nothing compared to that.

        • so-in-so

          “If Hitler invaded hell, I’d give a favorable mention to the Devil in the House of Commons.”
          Substitute Drumpf and NYT if you like.

      • bender

        Possibly Rubin, Kagan, Kristol and Wolfowitz think this development might endanger them or their families.

        • so-in-so

          But Rubin and Kristol have been anti-Trump from the beginning.

          • bender

            OK. I wasn’t paying close attention.

          • NonyNony

            Yeah, and Rubin was smart enough to know what Trump was from the very beginning. She knew it was going to get here, and that was one of her major disagreements about Trump.

            I wouldn’t have thought Kristol was smart enough to see it, but apparently I was wrong. I mean, it was obvious to some of us that this was the inevitable place that Trump would get to, but I wouldn’t have pegged Kristol as being one of the folks bright enough to see it until he did.

          • D. C. Sessions

            … because he was going to be a threat to McConnell and Ryan.

            Take your allies where you must, but remember that they’re still scorpions.

      • MacCheerful

        In politics you can win by armed revolution or by convincing people you often don’t agree with to support your position. I am very happy Rubin is coming around, even it is only on this point now.

      • D. C. Sessions

        It’s all just blather until they actually change their votes.

      • I saw Kristol speak in 2008 on my campus when I was going through a “I’ll hear all sides out” phase. It was mostly young repubs and the country club set, but there was a straight infowars/birther couple who tried to hijack the Q&A and to Kristol’s credit, he didn’t put up with it.

        • Ithaqua

          My thing about Kristol is that I think that, even though he’s wrong about almost everything, he TRIES to be right. His evilness is the banality of stupidity more than anything else.

      • farin

        I mean, aren’t neocons obsessed with expanding American power and influence in international affairs? Trump is the very worst thing that could happen to that goal. A liberal peacenik at least wouldn’t make us a laughingstock.

    • D. C. Sessions

      Then where do the deplorables go?

      Yeah, right. After about six years, max, they’re back to primarying the PoG and the Party of McConnell is back doing business with the Party of Sessions.

      • so-in-so

        Fine with me, if they get more “I’m not a witch!” or “shut those things down” candidates. Where they go (we hope) is to sulk.

    • mattmcirvin

      Eergh. I guarantee you, it’d be the Democrats Abandoned the White Working Class party within five seconds, and Trump would pull a LePage.

      • bender

        A replacement party won’t necessarily be an improvement. It might have even stronger fascist tendencies. I just think that Jennifer Rubin in a major newspaper calling for the collapse and destruction of the Republican Party is an interesting data point.

  • wjts

    “You took my balls and I’m going home!”

    • so-in-so

      “What, those little things?”

  • even arch wingnut, Ed Rogers, has had enough Trump.

    To watch Trump’s defenders on Wednesday struggle with trying to defend his bizarre statements is beyond sad, it is pathetic. Washington wasn’t about slavery. But the Civil War and those who led it were about slavery. My standard is simple. Like I have said before,“If a child asks what someone did that earned them a statue and the only possible answer is that he fought in the Civil War to defend slavery, then the statue should go.”

    Anyway,that is beside the point. The Republican Party is going to be allied with Trump on some things but not others. And right now, the president is somewhere I can’t go and where the Republican Party can’t afford to be.

    Most of Trump’s inappropriate, ill-fitting comments are usually quickly overtaken by a new inappropriate, ill-fitting comment. However, this time, Trump being out of line about matters associated with race and violence is something we can’t just move on from. And it’s not simply because of the media’s preoccupation with the issue. It is because the conversation is so central to the American dream.

    With his response to Charlottesville, Trump has marginalized himself and altered the potential that he has as president.

    Whatever disaster occurs later today or tomorrow won’t make this disaster fade into the background. This one will linger. And it will be impossible for Republicans to completely disassociate themselves from it.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/08/16/charlottesville-shakes-the-trump-presidency/?utm_term=.272b5e53e0e4

    whocoodaknown

    • BeatnikBob

      Let me know when Ryan starts his impeachment hearings. Until then, EVERY Republican OWNS Trump. Even his primary opponents, and most especially The Bush Crime Family.

      • Lurking Canadian

        At the very least, some bloc of R Senators could announce that since Trump has shown himself to have such poor judgement, they’re no longer going to defer to his selections for judges and other appointed officials but rather insist on full hearings and bipartisan approval with the help of their trusted friends across the aisle and blah blah oldest deliberative body.

        But they won’t. Because the only point on which they disagree with trump is that you aren’t supposed to say the quiet parts out loud.

    • SatanicPanic

      He’s been a reliable hack for Trump since the beginning, and even he can’t defend this? I guess it will be up to the clown who writes the small town newspaper in Iowa or wherever.

  • Hypersphericalcow

    I’m sure that Trump has never played a video game, but is he is totally the guy who would rage-quit a Call of Duty game right before he lost.

    • DN Nation
      • rea

        complete with homophobia . . .

      • Hypersphericalcow

        Thank you so much for bringing that video into my life (and I mean that completely sincerely).

  • aab84

    And yet Republican members of Congress and other CEOs will remain terrified of crossing the president and his base even as it becomes blindingly obvious that he’s an impotent manbaby.

    • so-in-so

      Their base IS well armed – thanks to them and their 2nd Amendment support.

  • keta

    Isn’t Trump supposedly still on his 17 day holiday?

    Ya’ gotta’ hand it to the businessman predisent. None of this “I went on hols and the work just stacked up in my absence!” bullshit. Trump gits ‘er done, even if he has to defend Nazis and dismantle business councils with a glove on one hand and spikes in his shoes. What a mensch…er, guy!

  • Abigail Nussbaum

    One really strange artifact of this terrible period in all our lives is that I’m continually baffled by the things that act as a breaking point for people who choose to associate themselves with Trump. I mean, clearly, endorsing Nazis is awful, but so was calling Mexicans rapists, or suggesting that a Mexican judge can’t be impartial, or Birtherism, or calling for the execution of the Central Park Five, or the Muslim ban, or accepting the endorsement of the KKK, or or or. I’m trying to fathom the mindset of the people for whom this was the red line, and not any of the others, and I’m drawing a blank. I don’t think it’s all calculation – clearly, these people are appalled, even if they’re also distancing themselves from someone who has become toxic. But were they asleep for the last two years?

    I guess I just don’t see what makes some things huge scandals while others just blow over with this guy. It’s all part of the same awfulness, and all part of him being the same person he’s always shown himself to be. The times when everyone acts as if this behavior is not completely in character for him are, quite honestly, getting to be more distressing to me than the ones when everyone shrugs off his awfulness, because I just can’t understand why they’re suddenly noticing the fucking obvious.

    • The core point to remember is that people have complex socio-psychological structures which can be very difficult to unwind or overcome. Many of our cognitive biases work to reinforce existing belief…this is why persuasion is so difficult.

      With a lot of these isn’t not that the current straw is the strongest, but simply the last.

      • SatanicPanic

        I spent plenty of time around garden-variety racists back where I grew up, and anecdotal, but even people who don’t want Mexicans dating their daughter generally aren’t out there talking about mass murdering them. I know, low bar and all, but we all have limits.

        • Junipermo

          In the Jim Crow era, most whites weren’t riding around at night with sheets on their heads. But they supported leaders who were. They voted for governors, sheriffs, mayors, etc. who used the power of the state to brutally oppress black people. So, the fact that they mostly weren’t directly involved in killing anyone doesn’t mean a whole lot to me.

          In 2016, millions of Americans voted for a man who told us that his sympathies lay with white supremacists. If they were too stupid to hear the sound of the bullhorn Trump was blowing then, they absolutely cannot plausibly claim ignorance about who Trump is anymore. I don’t care if most Trump voters weren’t in Charlottesville. If they don’t disavow him once and for all and forever, they’re utterly morally bankrupt and beneath contempt, and their supposed limits mean nothing.

          • SatanicPanic

            Oh I’m not saying they aren’t racist or didn’t know they were voting for racism. I’m just saying that they’re probably not on board with that level of ethnic cleansing. Local level “they can’t live in MY neighborhood”? sure, they’re OK with that. Industrialized mass murder? Probably not. But it’s been a while, so who knows what hate radio has sold them on.

          • mattmcirvin

            Today, even a lot of people who harbor a lot of racist feelings think of themselves as not-racist, and will say they believe in civil rights, admire Martin Luther King, etc. They may be hypocritical in ways they don’t even realize, but the drive to at least be seen as enlightened is there. Which means that enough of an accumulation of gross behavior may actually be impossible for them to rationalize.

            • SatanicPanic

              This is a good point. After decades of culture telling us it’s wrong, there IS a general agreement in our society that racism is bad. That’s why they spend so much time arguing about what racism is and why what they’re doing isn’t racism (even when it pretty obviously is). We might not like their conception of what a non-racist person looks like, but Trump’s behavior is so obviously racist that that even their overly charitable measure of non-racism doesn’t fit.

              • mattmcirvin

                A thing that’s worried me greatly over the rise of Trump is that we seem to have been seeing an erosion of that taboo–people are thinking it’s OK and cool to be openly, blatantly racist in public again. And I was never quite able to gauge exactly how far it had gone or was going to go. But it appears that it’s not universal even among Republicans.

                • SatanicPanic

                  Absolutely. If you’re already on board with Trump because he’s going to save your job or whatever, and Trump says “Nazis aren’t so bad”, you’ve got a choice to make- stop supporting him or be OK with nazis too. That’s a choice that’s way too dangerous to ask tens of millions of people to make.

              • AlexSaltzberg

                The side-effect of “racism is bad” is that the media decided to stop calling out racism because it was a slur. Which led to the current “Well, it’s only racism if someone says a bad word” theory of reporting.

        • Drew

          I think most people want to believe they’re not evil, even if the logical and entirely predictable consequences of their beliefs are evil. So someone like my conservative father like you said may not want immigration even if the logical consequence is people dying in say Honduras who we could’ve helped. He doesn’t want to give the boot to poor people he just wants to encourage responsibility with welfare reform. Openly supporting Nazis, even if deep down you fear and don’t like and don’t particularly care about violence against immigrants, provides no veneer or pretext that allows someone to believe that they are not evil.

    • BeatnikBob

      They love him. He is so stupid he makes them feel smart. Something like that.

    • Scott Mc

      Isn’t that similar to the eventual break with Bush the lessor? I mean, it was obvious from the day he got in there that he didn’t know what he was doing but it really wasn’t until Katrina that the majority started to turn on him…

      • Captain Oblivious

        Shrub was just stupid and addled. Drumpf is stupid, addled, and evil.

        Shrub had knowledgeable, experienced, non-nutty if occasionally evil (e.g. Cheney, Rumsfield) people around him. Drumpf is surrounded by evil cranks with no experience in governing.

        Shrub was never in the hip pocket of a foreign power. Drumpf is owned by Putin and his Russian bankster pals.

        • Shalimar

          And Trump is imploding after 7 months where it took Bush almost 6 years. I think the comparison holds. Some people are fine with the evil until they realize it comes with pathetic incompetence. Even a total idiot knows you don’t publicly support nazis.

        • Drew

          Shrub seemed to have some alcoholism related brain damage. Just a drunkass failure, not a malignant narcissist.

      • D. C. Sessions

        On that point, remember: Hurricane season is beginning and NOAA [1] is forecasting a busy one with record-hot water to fuel some big blows.

        [1] Buncha damn traitors — couldn’t they cut their boss some slack?

        • Shalimar

          Hurricane season has been very light so far, though we are just entering the 2 busiest months historically.

    • sigaba

      People are making political decisions, not moral or ethical ones. They’re only going to move if they think other people are moving with them. The Klan and American Nazis are a point of consensus.

      Republicans always believed that biased judges and Mexican rapists existed, if only in the abstract, that was no great transgression.

      • Hypersphericalcow

        Right, his racism and idiocy has now gotten to the point that being associated with it is inconvenient. The last week’s events turned Trump from an asset to a liability.

        • Denverite

          Also, the 2018 midterms aren’t getting any farther away. In about 12 months they’re going to have to run in an environment where the incumbent is going to be in the 30-35% approval range.

          • Hypersphericalcow

            That’s a good point. Republican politicians are probably starting to crank up their fundraising efforts, and they will have some VERY awkward conversations if they don’t distance themselves from Trump as soon as possible.

            • Kevin

              They can distance themselves all they want, but he is the president, they are his party, it really won’t work. And it’s funny, none of them are actually doing much distancing publicly. Who has called him out by name?

              • Who has called him out by name?

                For the possibly 2 or 3 LGM readers who don’t read everything Charles P. Pierce posts, he too has got something to say about that question. But really I just want to give a shout-out to whichever Irish sub-editor’s work he quotes there:

                He has managed to become so reprehensible, and he has made the
                presidency* so utterly toxic, that the real leaders of American
                business, and the real owners of the country, are running away from him
                as though he’s a leprous beggar. He’s been president* for less than 200
                days. In a purely academic sense, or as seen from the perspective of a
                person from Mars, this is quite a remarkable achievement. The ship, to
                borrow a legendary Irish newspaper headline, is deserting the sinking
                rats.

          • D. C. Sessions

            If they’re lucky.

      • Uncle_Ebeneezer

        Agreed. I think it’s mostly just response to the movement of the herd and the fear of stigma. If nobody made a fuss about it, most of them would be happily pretending it was no problem.

    • JKTH

      There is a sort of “I’m shocked, shocked” element to this. People who are turning on him now were willing to ignore even obvious racism until it was blasting at metal concert levels two feet from their faces.

    • Linnaeus

      A partial explanation might be that a lot of Trump’s associates and supporters convinced themselves that Trump’s rhetoric was only hyperbole meant to highlight legitimate (in their view) issues or that was understandable in the context of the time when he said it. So they figure, yeah, not all Mexican immigrants to the US are rapists, but immigration is a problem and by the way, some Mexican guy was arrested for murder the other day. Or, yeah, the Central Park Five didn’t do it, but a lot of people thought they did and crime was getting really bad back then and we should have capital punishment anyway, etc., etc.

      But you can’t tie open sympathy for Nazism or white supremacy to anything legitimate. There’s really no way to rationalize that if you have a modicum of a conscience.

      • so-in-so

        As Sigaba noted above, I think it’s more about “he sided with Nazis, what will others say if I don’t come out against it?” than “he sided with Nazis, that crosses the line for me…”.

      • Hob

        About the Central Park Five: Trump insisted during the 2016 campaign that they were guilty. Sadly, even among the good guys there doesn’t seem to be a lot of awareness of this.

        • I remember some waffling from a reporter about whether they should have called this a lie.

          Not that this would have turned off GOP voters, and the Serious Press was preoccupied with Her. Emails.

        • Linnaeus

          Yeah, I knew about that, too. But rationalization can go a long way.

      • Bluesmank

        ‘But you can’t tie open sympathy for Nazism or white supremacy to anything legitimate. There’s really no way to rationalize that if you have a modicum of a conscience.’

        You obviously haven’t been discussing this with Trump supporters today.

        Oh, wait, you said ‘modicum of conscience’.

        My bad.

    • SatanicPanic

      Nazis, I mean, there’s kinda no one worse.

      • Unemployed_Northeastern

        Ah, but remember that Higgins memo that Trump reportedly loved: ““While opposition to President Trump manifests itself through political warfare memes centered on cultural Marxist narratives, this hardly means that opposition is limited to Marxists as conventionally understood,” the memo reads. “Having become the dominant cultural meme, some benefit from it while others are captured by it; including ‘deep state’ actors, globalists, bankers, Islamists, and establishment Republicans.””

        http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/10/heres-the-memo-that-blew-up-the-nsc/

        • SatanicPanic

          That one paragraph makes my head hurt.

          • Unemployed_Northeastern

            Everything since the discovery of the Higgins memo has made my head hurt.

    • NicknotNick

      I think it is also happening because, especially in conservative intellectual circles, there ARE actually people who are there for the conservatism, or the small government, or the states rights, and not the racism. They support racist structures, they support racist people, they support racist laws, but they always do this for other reasons — and when you ask them to actually support an avowed racist, they’re shocked that it’s not about the small government or states rights.

      Romney, for example — I bet some of his supporters, such as Rubin, really are anti-racist, and they can’t stomach Trump. He violates their sense of self.

      • D. C. Sessions

        Romney, for example — I bet some of his supporters, such as Rubin,
        really are anti-racist, and they can’t stomach Trump. He violates their
        sense of self.

        But they still vote for him.

    • dn

      The difference is that Nazis were the enemy.

      That is the sole criterion. Right wingers look at the world through a prism of war. They don’t actually care what the Nazis did; what they care about is that “we” fought them, and fighting them is what Americans do.

      • SpiderDan

        Didn’t seem to be a problem when it came to Putin and Russia.

    • Junipermo

      I don’t know why so many people are finally acknowledging what has been obvious for years, but I’m glad they’re on board. We need as much support as we can get, from all corners, to get Trump out of here. Too many of us are not safe here with him in the White House.

    • Mike in DC

      I analogize it to the distressing fact that many battered women make several attempts to leave their abuser before finally doing so.

      • Abigail Nussbaum

        Hmm. I don’t know how I feel about comparing traumatized, abused people (who usually have few financial or social resources to call upon) to members of a privileged elite who are protected from pretty much every possible consequence of their actions.

        • Mike in DC

          True. But they do rationalize sticking with him, and fear the retaliatory (electoral and political) consequences of leaving him.
          Having a star player on a sports team, who happens to be increasingly toxic, might work better.

          • I don’t think you need to go to these extreme cases. Resilience in sticking with something bad is a pretty pervasive phenomenon.

            Confirmation bias plus rationalisation go a long way all by themselves.

    • the actual Bajmahal

      It’s easy really. Most Republicans are authoritarians — hence the underlying proto-fascism and tacit support for Trump. Authoritarians revere/worship their fathers and grandfathers. Many of their fathers and grandfathers fought the Nazis in WWII. Trying to reconcile these two opposing points causes their heads to tilt to one side, their ears to emit little puffs of white smoke, and their lips to quietly repeat the phrase, “non sequitur” over and over again.
      We may have hit a ledge very near rock bottom and maybe we should take this opportunity to reboot many of the still savable ones before they resume mindlessly marching off that ledge.

    • D. C. Sessions

      The difference is that this is something that a lot of otherwise loyal Republicans won’t stomach. NAZIs. What they can’t risk is having a significant segment of their voters start to think about Republicans and NAZIs.

      • DJ

        On a similar note, they risk seeing the “stars and bars” associated with the swastika.

        I’m sure that a lot of them are pretty certain that’s already happened. It’s not a symbol of southern pride or racism anymore. It’s a Nazi symbol on par with the swastika.

    • mattmcirvin

      It’s a cumulative effect. It was the same way with the Iraq war and Bush. The specific thing that pushes them over the line is usually not all that special; it’s the accumulation of that plus a million things they already had to swallow, with gradually escalating cognitive dissonance. There’s a pressure that has to break.

    • Maybe a lot of people were/are willing to put up with intolerable Evil so long as that Evil is mealymouthed and ambiguous- talks like a repug senator, that is. Or former repug presidents like Reagan, Bush, Bush-cheney, etc.

      But when the Evil is so loud, vulgar, stupid and in-your-face, they start to murmur and back away.

      • Abigail Nussbaum

        But that’s my point. Trump has always been vulgar, stupid, and in-your-face. He wasn’t being mealy-mouthed when he pushed birtherism or called all Mexicans racists. He’s always been very upfront about what he is, and yet all these people stood by him through that behavior. I just don’t understand how you can do that and yet still have enough residual decency to draw the line at Nazis.

  • how_bout_never

    Great, now what do they do with all those binders full of CEOs who wanted to be on the council.

    • He can sell the binders at pennies on the dollara huge profit to Nigerian confidence trickstersVC headhunters.

      • Hypersphericalcow

        I wonder how many people are now scrubbing their CV’s to remove even tangential relationships to Trumps political “career”.

        • N__B

          Will all great Neptune’s ocean wash this trump
          Clean from my hand? No, this my hand will rather
          The multitudinous seas intawnadine,
          Making the green one orange.

  • Rather than put pressure on those who no longer want to attend my party, I’m going to end it! Wah!

  • NicknotNick

    There is a strong element of ‘crocodiles in the water’ to Republican support for Trump. The first one or two who jump in are going to get eaten, like the first couple of wildebeasts trying to ford the river — but at some point, they all just say ‘screw it’ and plunge in, and then the stampede is on.

  • OT: this can’t be true. GG said so.

    • Hogan

      Ukrainians are the real Nazis, you know.

  • Crusty

    Hopefully, this is similar to the form his resignation will take. Rather than putting pressure on my supporters and those who’ve come to work for me, I’ve decided to end it all. I accomplished more than any president ever in just the eight months I’ve been in office so now I’m going to go back to my super awesome company. You’re welcome America.

    • spork_incident

      I’ve decided to end it all.

      Were that the end of the (hypothetical) statement.

      .

  • Unemployed_Northeastern

    Obligatory: “Tiki Brand is not associated in any way with the events that took place in Charlottesville and are deeply saddened and disappointed,” the company said in a statement Monday. “We do not support their message or the use of our products in this way.”

    • Linnaeus

      They wouldn’t have had to say that if it weren’t for political correctness!

  • Sly
  • SomeTreasonBrewing

    Make America Grandstand Again

  • My father works at a factory that was all in on Trump (even though represented by a militant union). He said that yesterday they were complaining that liberals will never be happy no matter what Trump does and defending the statues.

    He said today the shocked silence was deafening.

    • keta

      The shocked silence is nice, but it’s the blubbering that I’m most enjoying

      From the white, blonde Fox news lady who had a little pity-cry on-air today because she can’t defend the indefensible without being “judged,” to Nazi boil and Charlottesville tough-talker Chris Cantwell posting a you tube video of himself sobbing about how he and his movement are “misunderstood” and could face violence, why, it’s been a welcome little stream of lachrymose losers shedding wet from their eyes.

      • sigaba

        The Youtubes of crying Fox News hosts remind me a little too much of North Korean television. The emotionalism serves a propaganda purpose, to give people an out, as if this is all about hurt feelings and it trivializes the deadly seriousness of all of this.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YwzJe5Z8v0

        • so-in-so

          Right, Nazi fellow travelers KILLED someone, but their going to cry that THEY are being judged? They can all FOAD.

      • Unemployed_Northeastern

        I AM SO STEALING “LACHRYMOSE LOSERS.”

  • uykhvasdrvtjyku

    This whole story is possibly the most Trump thing ever. It just about ticks off all of Trump’s dysfunctions in one swoop:

    Dishonesty. Trump ran a pseudo-populist campaign in which he promised to “drain the swamp”, and what does he do? Puts together an advisory council consisting of super-rich elites.

    Narcissism. The actual purpose of the council, of course, was so that Trump could act like a bigshot by hanging around rich and powerful businessmen and bask in their celebrity.

    Incompetence. The council didn’t actually do anything, and Trump did not appear to use them for advice. This was frustrating to its members who made the mistake of thinking they had joined to do something meaningful.

    Petulance. Trump insults members who chose to resign…

    More Narcissism …by implying that he can easily replace them with an infinite number of powerful CEOs he keeps in his pocket.

    Stupidity. It’s not that hard to keep these people from resigning en masse, but Trump’s mouth saw to it that they did.

    More Dishonesty. When the council chose to disband itself, Trump lied and claimed he was the one who disbanded it.

    I’m probably missing a few. But man, so much comedy from such a little stint.

  • Linnaeus

    So here’s Mark Beuerlein claiming that Trump is the victim of liberals:

    In truth, the President’s only crime was that he spoke too generally about the violence in Charlottesville, with his remarks that “many sides” were responsible. This comment, which he initially made on Saturday, and reiterated on Tuesday, was one that the CEOs deemed punishable. Trump wouldn’t acknowledge the “white” factor, and so the resigners decided to join the countless Americans who seek to shun and shame him.

    But in the climate liberals have created, especially where race and sex are concerned, criticism isn’t enough, no matter how stern and slashing. The villain must be isolated. Interaction of any kind is the same as endorsement. Even sitting down to debate with the President at a meeting would violate their moral code.

    Yes, liberals forced the CEOs to resign from the panel and forced Trump to dissolve it. This kind of reasoning wouldn’t pass muster on an undergraduate essay. Christ.

    • AlexSaltzberg

      That’s one for the “agency” pile.

    • Unemployed_Northeastern

      Ugh, that guy. Ironically enough, this English prof and author of the cherry-picked stat 101 failure polemic “The Dumbest Generation” believes his freshmen at Emory are too dumbz to write papers so he just assigns them book reports instead. Because 1) it's totally plausible that Emory students don't know how to write papers and 2) it's not his responsibility as an English professor to teach students how to write.

  • the actual Bajmahal

    So are you saying that this photo is the true Kompromat?

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