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America, July 4, 2017


This fucking country.

NPR has been reading the Declaration of Independence on air in a tradition that dates back 29 years. And in fairness, the Declaration of Independence is a pretty anti-authoritarian document. So it makes sense that people might believe that it’s a statement against all tyrants.

But you’d think that people who want to “make America great again” might recognize the words of the Declaration of Independence. I guess not.

The only clear solution is to continue defunding the humanities and social scientists in colleges and universities and hire more professors to teach Management.

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  • Steve Mang

    I’d tell them they doth protest too much, but something tells me the reference might possibly be lost on them.

    • jim, some guy in iowa

      when “et tu” means the second scoop of ice cream

    • BiloSagdiyev

      Well, as of last month, Shakespeare is on their bad list.

      • cpinva

        “Well, as of last month, Shakespeare is on their bad list.”

        my guess is that, for most of them, Shakespeare is a company that makes third tier fishing equipment.

        • BiloSagdiyev

          Is Shimano higher ranked in their eyes? I shall like to add it to my “red blooded Murkins rant about all the imported things, but sure like their Glocks, Sig Sauers, FN’s, etc etc” diatribe.

          • diogenes

            Along with Yamaha’s to push their bass boats…

  • Joe Paulson

    The NYT having a copy of that radical document that would give [accused] terrorists due process of law and stuff was crossing the line too. Something about a “Constitution,” whatever that is.

    ETA: Seriously, if you read these documents seriously, they are rather radical.

    • jim, some guy in iowa

      “if you read these documents seriously, they are rather radical”

      yeah. it is weird that people who claim to be all about the Original Intent of the Founding Fathers act as if any attempt to get the country to live up to its own promises is radical communism or whatever

      • BeatnikBob

        Not weird. By careful design. Warped and perverted, they are, and competent enough to win.

      • Stella Barbone

        Those are the same people who read the bible and think that the words printed in red are quotes from a communist.

        • Joe Paulson

          Jesus? Keeping everything in common, turning the other cheek and all that stuff? Total commie. Also looks suspiciously Palestinian.

          • N__B

            I dunno. Medium brown hair on top, no torso hair: http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/880/743/719.jpg

            • rrhersh

              That picture of horrific (and, writing as a Christian, blasphemous). What is the source?

              • N__B

                It’s been floating around the intertubes for some time. I have no idea who barfed it into existence; I got it from a meme site.

                And yeah, I’m an atheist, but even I know that the artist completely missed the point of the crucifixion.

            • Merkin Patriot



                Yabbut it was the Pilates that got him started on the road to buffness. God works in mysterious ways!

                • Law

                  There’s a Groupon for Pontius Pilates, like 10 classes for $40.

                • Joe Paulson

                  Think there was a discount at the time, 25% off. Silver dollars accepted.

                • How does that compare to the standard 30 pieces of silver?

            • Law

              WTF DID I JUST SEE

              • N__B

                ‘Murkin Jesus.

                • Nah, that’s a loincloth.

                • Law

                  Which leads us to the question Does murkin Jesus actually have a merkin under that towel.

          • John F

            I once saw a very conservative Priest get totally tongue tied when asked about Mathew 22:21, and whether it meant Jesus was in favor of the separation of church and state, or that Religious Institutions should not get favorable tax treatment…

            • Law

              Hahaha you think they read the scriptures hahaha!

            • Jon_H11

              I once saw a bible preacher man refuse to drink hydrogen peroxide after being told to read, and reading out loud, Mark 16:18. Not much faith in him if you ask me.

              • “For your next challenge, we will arrange with Hangzhou Sage Chemical Company to have Amazon to deliver some FOOF to your church!”

            • Hogan

              What did Jesus mean when he said “Call no man father,” Father?

              • wjts

                It was a Telemachus joke, obviously. First century Judea loved Telemachus jokes.

          • rrhersh

            Acts 2:44-45. The very early Christian church was as explicitly communist as it is possible to be without actually having that word in your lexicon.

            • DAS

              The early church was certainly communist. But Paul very much believed in means testing as well as making benefits dependent on moral uprightness, c.f. 1 Timothy 5:3-16.

              • Law

                Well he *was* a Pharisee.

                • DAS

                  Judging by my (admitted limited) knowledge of early Rabbinic texts (and assuming that those early Rabbis themselves had views similar to the Pharisees), I don’t think the Pharisees would have believed in that level of means testing . The Talmud reports a certain level of debate about means testing, FWIW. ETA: there may have been similar debates within the early Christian community, but given that (Pauline) Christianity rejected legalism and that the New Testament is a very different kind of document than either the Mishna or Gemara, it isn’t surprising that the New Testament wouldn’t directly record such a debate.

                  The tone is also very judgmental and views any sort of pleasure as being a sign that one is not truly distressed. Judging by various comments the Rabbis made about even poor people deserving dignity and pleasure, I doubt if the Pharisees would have had the same attitude found in 1 Timothy 5:3-16.

                • LeeEsq

                  The Pharisees were pro-poor people but anti-poverty in the sense that they didn’t see anything particular ennobling or spiritual about it.

                • cpinva

                  ” it isn’t surprising that the New Testament wouldn’t directly record such a debate.”

                  if they recorded all the debates from the First & Second Councils of Nicea, the damn thing still wouldn’t be finished, not even close to being ready for the printers. Those guys just couldn’t shut the hell up, they all to get their shekel’s worth in.

              • Joe Paulson

                pseudo-Paul but yeah; close reading the Bible provides some interesting stuff

                • DAS

                  I didn’t realize this was pseudo-Paul vs. authentically Pauline. I am not a New Testament expert by any stretch.

                • Jon_H11

                  2 Thessalonians 3:10 is pretty means testy: “For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

                  I was under the impression most scholars considered it genuine Paul.

                • Joe Paulson

                  Yeah, it’s inside baseball, but Timothy/Titus are among the Pauline letters generally deemed by scholars to be written after Paul and have various more conservative and/or institutional qualities like rules for hierarchies Paul didn’t worry about since he thought end was near.

                  (2 Thessalonians is more debated.)

                • cpinva

                  “Yeah, it’s inside baseball, but Timothy/Titus are among the Pauline letters generally deemed by scholars to be written after Paul “

                  there is very little evidence to support claims that anything in the New Testament was written by anyone who actually knew Jesus when he was physically on Earth. The earliest any of the documents, that make up the official Church Canon, has been dated to nearly the end of 100 CE. The majority of them were written at least 100 years after his death/resurrection/assumption.

                  Unless the Apostles were a group of especially long lived men, anything claimed to have been written by them should be taken with a hundred pound sack of salt. It should also be noted that most of the Apostles were illiterate, so the odds were good, unless they had a scribe working for them, they wrote nothing at all.

                • Lurking Canadian

                  Dated by whom? I thought it was pretty uncontroversial that Paul, at least, dates to about 60CE. Paul, of course, never knew or claimed to know Jesus, but he does refer to meeting James & Peter.

                • Joe Paulson

                  Seven or so of Paul’s epistles are generally accepted to have been written by him. Part of the canon. Written c. 50-c.60 CE.

                  Paul had some dealings with Peter and appears to have met him within a few years of the date of gospel events, but isn’t much interested in Jesus’ biographical information. We also only have his account of the meeting that was written years later. He also had dealings with Jesus’ brother James. Mark probably was written around 70CE. It is generally accepted that some gospel source material came even earlier, if not in the final form we have. (“Q” source in particular.)

                  We should be careful with the material but we have more material to work with than we generally have regarding ancient historical events. There are ways to analyze the gospels to get a sense of what the earliest material is but sure best to be careful. As to scribes, even many well off types used scribes. “Luke” is said to be a physician.

              • Jon_H11

                Still very communist.

                “The socialist principle, “He who does not work shall not eat”, is already realized”~V.I. Lenin: The First Phase of Communist Society

                See also article 12 of the 1936 Soviet union constitution:

                ARTICLE 12. In the U.S.S.R. work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: “He who does not work, neither shall he eat.”

                • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

                  I prefer the Chinese worker version, throw us off our jobs, DIE MF

                • cpinva

                  “If you don’t work, you don’t eat.”

                  Hero of the Soviet Union Capt. John Smith, at Jamestown, Virginia Colony, 1607

        • mds

          Those are the same people who read the bible

          Not really, no.

        • DrS

          I’m only about 1/2 way through, but I definitely recommend “The Evangelicals” by Frances FitzGerald. Covering a lot of the history about these strains of thought within Christianity, and specifically American Christianity.

  • Steve LaBonne

    Clearly the Democratic Party needs to become more left-wing in order to appeal to these voters, who are highly knowledgeable about public policy and hunger for more discussion of it.

    • PorlockJunior

      They’re knowledgeable about public policy and hunger? By all means get then into the party’s leadership. We need lots of these people>
      Oops, I forgot to use The Font.

  • Jon_H11

    Reminds me of this garbage from Alabama after the Orlando shooting:

    For reference: 4 U.S. Code § 10 – Modification of rules and customs by President
    “Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered, modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be set forth in a proclamation.”

    It seems that conservatives understand that in order to worship the bible or the US founding documents (Constitution and DoI), it’s an absolute prerequisite that you’ve never actually read the things

    • Terok Nor

      When Moore’s Ten Commandments monument was being removed, one of the demonstrators went “Get your hands off our God, you God-haters!”. He loved the Commandments so much he turned the monument into an idol.

      • DAS

        If I were to vandalize one of those 10 Commandments “monuments”, I wouldn’t destroy it as the person in AR did. I would just underline the part about idols.

        • Terok Nor

          Me, I’d write next to the part about “Thou shalt have no other gods before me”, “Cancelled out by the First Amendment.”

  • DN Nation
    • N__B

      If he were truly committed, he’d become a real martyr for the cause rather than a pretend martyr.

      • cpinva

        if only there was a large, very hungry, Polar Bear around……………………………

    • I think that guy’s a parody account. Reading some of his stuff on Medium is dumb in a way only jokes can be dumb.

    • I suspect he was “blackballed” because editors would look at his submissions and think, “Ah, fuck! I gotta spend an entire day fixing this and I gotta pay him?”
      My general rule of thumb was a freelancer would get to turn in one piece of shit. If, after discussing the piece of shit with him or her, the next article was also a piece of shit, all subsequent query letters went in the trash. You’ll note that this process did not involve feminists, lynch mobs, or even left-wing publishers.

      • LurkinLongmont

        Oh, I think the fact your dismissing him qualifies you as “a feminist, lynch mob, or left-wing publisher”. In his mind………………..

    • rachelmap

      I went to check out his twitter feed. Are people really donating to NPR, the ACLU and other liberal-leaning organizations in his name? He seems to be unhappy about that.

      • Origami Isopod

        NPR is “liberal-leaning”?

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  • BeatnikBob

    Can you hear the hobnailed boots clicking on the cobblestones? I can. Loud and clear.

    Time to emigrate, while it’s still 1933…

    • PorlockJunior

      Time to cite Leo Szilard, the co-holder of the patent on the nuclear reactor. (The other guy was Enrico Fermi.) Anyway, when Hitler was installed as Chancellor, Szilard saw what was coming, and packed two suitcases, which he kept sitting in the front room of his apartment in Berlin. One day a few months in, — still 1933 — he decided it was time, grabbed the suitcases, and headed for the railroad station.

      This was a Saturday, and he had no problem getting a ticket to Amsterdam, and got no hassles on the way. Perfectly normal, simple trip.

      The next day, Sunday, a bunch of people had the same idea. But they got lots of hassles and delays and questioning. His moral: You don’t have to smarter than other people, just a day earlier.

      (The story is from his posthumous memoir, “My Version of the Facts”, which I found well worth reading. For one thing, it tells where he stood, or rather where he was stepping off the curb at a green light on Southampton Row, when he came up with the notion that it might be possible to get some kind of a “nuclear chain reaction”.)

  • tsam100

    My favorite: “Please stop. This is not the right place.”
    Twitter is a terrible place for the Declaration of Independence. True story.

    • LurkinLongmont

      “Twitter is a terrible place”. Nuff said.

  • McAllen

    “We liked that bit about the ‘merciless Indian Savages’ though.”

    • That’s what I get for not reading to the end of the thread.

      Of course, if the front page still displayed links to “Recent Comments” and they still worked like they used to do, I wouldn’t have had to read to the end of the thread to be sure of seeing this comment. Bah, humbug.

    • LurkinLongmont

      And other South Asian types, I’m sure……

  • Sly

    No one should be surprised that the portion of the Trump constituency best described by the phrase “That guy is rich and he has a TV show so he’d probably be a good President” has turned out to be the smartest part of the entire set.

  • JR in WV

    I’m not a Twitter user, other than to rarely click a link to see a photo or something specific posted. So I was completely unable to find these Twits in order to review the idiocy on display.

    It seems that these characters are completely uneducated, never exposed to the founding documents in school, or have trouble breathing while walking and have oxygen deprivation damage to their brains. Or just really, really stupid from birth. I have to say I was at first astonished to see such ignorance, but now see that I shouldn’t be surprised at all.

    • How much do you want to bet that they can quote the Second Amendment by heart, though.

      • Jon_H11


        No chance they remember the words “well regulated”.

        • Joe Paulson

          watch out — many will have the script ready about how that means “being regular” or something, and not the common sense meaning of “regulations by the government for safety and other purposes.”

          • John F

            They claim that a “well regulated” firearm was a firearm that was well maintained and shot straight and true, with sights lined up well, etc., an equivalent phrase would be to say that a piano was well tuned.

            So a “Well regulated militia” did not refer to a government regulated military unit, but a condition where a community’s free [white] males (ie., the “militia”) all knew how to shoot straight.

            It’s kind of an ingenious argument, but it doesn’t actually work even if “well regulated gun” was in fact a legitimate phrase that says what they claim it says- if “Well regulated had that meaning a “Well regulated militia” would not mean a condition where militia members were capable of shooting straight, it would mean a situation where militia members were well-organized and capable of fighting as a unit (teamwork).

            • Joe Paulson

              It also is complicated by the fact that “to regulate” and “regulations” were terms found multiple times in the Constitution and had the basic meaning of rules the government formulate. And, militia at the time were so regulated, including annual required drills etc.

            • BiloSagdiyev

              All of this reminds me of the freakout they have about mentally incompetent people (VETERANS, even!!!) having their guns taken by Tyrant Obummer.
              Uh, do you think that in an 18th century village, they would have let that village’s version of Adam Lanza have a musket? I really don’t think so.

            • everstar

              Someone once told me a “well regulated” militia meant a militia where everybody owned a standard-gauge firearm, for easier ammunition sharing. I asked them how that worked if I owned, say, a pistol but my neighbor owned a shotgun. I don’t know very much about guns, but I’m fairly certain I can’t load shotgun shells into a handgun.

      • The full text is ” . . . the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”

        The elipses have special meaning which is why the Founders specifically chose to include them. The “well regulated’ part was added by liberal activist judges in the 1960s.

  • randykhan

    It is unfortunate that this story is entirely unsurprising.

  • FMguru

    I’ve seen something similar done where people try to get signatures in support of proposed constitutional amendments, the text of the amendments being verbatim from various entries in the Bill of Rights or the constitution itself. Predictably, lots of people react furiously at the thought of banning religious tests or forcing police to get warrants to enter a suspect’s dwelling, getting spitting mad at how unamerican and unconstitutional such things would be.

    • N__B

      Has anyone tried with the Third Amendment?

      • Jon_H11

        I’m under the opinion that the the third amendment allows landlords to evict active duty military personnel without cause regardless of local, state, or federal ordinances.

        A sick part of me wants to test this out.

        • wjts

          Not a law-talking guy, but I don’t think so. The text of the Amendment: “No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.” A lease would seem to qualify as “consent of the Owner”.

  • Murc

    My understanding (and this might be one of those urban myths) is that if you present the Bill of Rights to Americans using verbiage that isn’t obviously recognizable as being the Bill of Rights, the values embodied therein have shockingly low levels of support, like sub-40%.

    • verbiage that isn’t obviously recognizable as being the Bill of Rights

      Getting back to the Declaration of Independence, as I was reminded yesterday when the local college radio station (for values of “local college” equal, in this case, to Harvard; but by gum it is NOT NPR affiliated, and I just listen to it for the music, honest, and only when driving) played a disk of Senator John F. Kennedy (D-MA) reading the D. of I. over a rather bland, mostly quiet piece of music by a minor mid-century American composer whose name I have already forgotten, there’s some language there that I fear would have shockingly high levels of support today, most notably:

      He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to
      bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

    • Law

      I think you meant to specify TrumpAmericans.

      • Origami Isopod

        Trumpkins are the dumbest, certainly, but let’s not pretend there aren’t plenty of “The Republican party left me” types who wouldn’t be skeptical of that verbiage. Even some liberals who like to pride themselves on being reasonable.

    • tsam100

      Freedom of speech: YAY
      Freedom of the press: Well….mostly
      Freedom of religion: If it’s my religion

    • Henry Willis

      I heard the story–which may very well be true, but I can’t source it–that some ACLU members set up a table outside a shopping mall somewhere in Louisiana or thereabouts and asked passersby to sign a petition that essentially duplicated the Bill of Rights. Very few signed; more cursed them out as Communists.

      That was supposedly 30 or 40 years ago. Today the results might be different, since a lot more people would probably recognize the Second Amendment. Back then, however, the sticking point for a lot of readers would have been the Establishment Clause; once they saw that they did not need to read any further to know they were being asked to sign something un-American.

    • BiloSagdiyev

      I remember some of that polling, and “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs” scored fairly well, too.

  • Merkin Patriot


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    • Origami Isopod

      I want to wrap this comment up in red, white and blue bunting and cradle it like the Merkin Baby Jesus™.

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  • Unemployed_Northeastern

    Remember, folks – nearly 1 in 5 American adults didn’t graduate from high school and more than 6 in 10 lack a college degree. Still, the stupid on display in the Twitter responses to NPR is staggering.

    • LeeEsq

      One of the questions that I find interesting to think about is what is the information everybody needs to know. Most people, even well educated people, aren’t into learning for learnings sake and have a pretty pragmatic way of seeing education, something necessary to do well in life. There is also a lot of knowledge out there and most people can only grasp a little of it. Most people tend to ignore things that aren’t really directly relevant to their life.
      Americans, especially patriotic Americans, should be able to identify the Declaration of Independence by some wording. Should they have to know who Jacob Riis was? He was very important but not really relevant to many modern Americans including his spiritual descendants. How much math and science should people need to know? Literature? Who gets to determine what is the common knowledge that people should know?

      • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

        Until the Soviets overtook us with Sputnik, egghead was a term of condemnation, mainly from politicians in red areas of the country. There was also a distrust of intellectuals/elities from both the Democrats and Republicans, as with LBJ and his contempt for Harvard intellectuals and Nixon’s resentment that he would never be a fully-accepted member of the Republican East Coast elite like Poppy Bush or Nelson Rockefeller.

        • LeeEsq

          Book learning used to be and to an extent still is term said by many people with a snarl. I know people my age or younger that like to define themselves as becoming from the school of hard knocks.

          • spencer_e9876

            Yeah, I know those people too. Every last one of them is insecure as hell about the level of education they’ve achieved.

      • Unemployed_Northeastern

        Fair points. I reflect on how I went through law school and the bar exam without learning a single f*cking thing about how to be a lawyer or practice law.

      • Jon_H11

        ” Most people, even well educated people, aren’t into learning for learning’s sake and have a pretty pragmatic way of seeing education, something necessary to do well in life.”

        I’d say that’s the difference between an “education” in the optimal sense and social training. A true education would result in someone developing the character of wanting to do things like learn for learning’s sake, if that disposition was cultivatable in them at all. In my view seeing learning as an instrumental activity is a failure of education to take.

        • LeeEsq

          I’m not so sure if I agree with this. Distinguishing between love of learning education and practical education seems elitist. Its too much like all those would be philosopher kings who perceive them as the true leaders because they are more wildly read. What Jason Brennan was arguing for in “Against Democracy.”

          • Jon_H11

            I’m not sure I understand your point of disagreement. Ideally an education will encourage a love of learning itself, and as an offshoot of that process will also result in an all-around competent person. Simply inculcating specific competences is a matter of training, not education.

            The latter is a basic necessity for society that must be met, the former is an ideal goal to pursue. It’d only be elitist if only elites had access to education and everyone else was shunted into training. I’m very much against that.

    • Origami Isopod

      Could we not with the classism, please? I’ve known some pretty smart people who have never gone to college. I’ve also known plenty of people with bachelor’s degrees, and a few with advanced degrees, who were dumber than boxes of hair.

      • Unemployed_Northeastern

        While there is likely a correlation between socioeconomic background and education level, I’m not aware of a better proxy for measuring general knowledge than educational level. So if we are to take stock of general knowledge at all, there will be an element of classism in it.

      • nixnutz

        As someone with neither a college degree or a high school diploma, I’m cool with it. Personally I know I read the D.of I. by the time I was 8, and while I haven’t memorized it I didn’t have any trouble recognizing it.

  • nemdam

    Though I haven’t lost sight of how radical this is, but the right has shown beyond any reasonable doubt that they don’t give a damn about the Constitution or the values that the document embodies. In that tradition, it’s not surprising that they are also against the Declaration of Independence. I guess they think we should all still be living under monarchy. Then again, if Trump was the monarch, they would probably all sign up for it.

  • guthrie

    The question is, how many of these accounts are bots? I don’t know much about bot programming, but some of the comments look like they are copy/ paste that would be used as a reply to any long series of tweets by any liberal or suchlike media outlet.

  • mortimer2000

    Remember back in 2004 when Nightline announced it would simply read the names of U.S. service people killed in Iraq. Right-wing Sinclair broadcasting, which then owned 62 stations, pulled the Nightline report claiming it was “motivated by a political agenda designed to undermine the efforts of the United States in Iraq.” Sinclair currently owns 170 stations and is about to acquire Tribune Media — another 42 stations in 33 markets.

    Bet they don’t like the Declaration of Independence either.

  • anon1

    I was taught by Professor Stuart Gerry Brown that the Declaration of Independence’s “All men are created equal” applied ONLY to the MEN in the room where it was signed.
    Anyone outside of the room were the OTHERS.

    The folks attending Brown’s seminars never spoke up. They wanted their future jobs, future tenure and future backyard pools. I sat there thinking: “What the fuck is he saying?” At the time I didn’t understand. I realized, decades later, that Brown saw the past and predicted the future with a clarity that still bothers me.

    Read Nassim Taleb.

    Maybe the good folks at NPR are realizing the need to put more “skin in the game” before their eyeglasses are taken away and skulls collected.

  • Anna in PDX

    Wow, they really need to bring back civics education.

  • BiloSagdiyev

    Yes, when hear somebody has called out for violent revolution, my first thought is, “NPR!”

    • spencer_e9876

      To be fair, I do find listening to NPR to be a violently revolting activity.

  • tsam100
    • Anna in PDX

      Well that puts him head and shoulders above the others I guess. His twitter feed is still kinda horrifying though.

      • tsam100

        Right, and scrolling a bit further down on his feed makes it really clear that he’s a total scumbag. But just straight up owning the fact that the fucked up was pretty cool. Means there’s hope for him, I think. Maybe…?

        • LosGatosCA

          Not really.

        • Origami Isopod

          I wouldn’t hold my breath. If he changes at all, it’d be a pleasant surprise.

          • tsam100

            I’m not–I guess I’m just hoping. People like that can show flashes of self-awareness but usually fall right back into the false consciousness. It’s not like one of them suddenly getting his shit together makes any difference in the bigger scheme, but I always figure that someone who is capable of embarrassment and admitting they’re wrong has the ability to improve. I suppose that’s mostly a fantasy.

  • Jim Harrison

    I’ve found that the language from the Declaration that riles right wingers most is the bit about “a decent respect to the opinions of mankind.” Of course most of ’em don’t recognize that the phrase is from the Declaration; and, in fairness, it is towards the end of the first sentence.

  • Ed Cooper

    The biggest shock I got was that many supporters of the Orange Buffoon were tuned into NPR. I though only us Libtards did that sort of thing. On the other hand, most of us Progressives have read and even understand the meanings behind the Declaration. And they wonder why people sneer at them.

    • BiloSagdiyev

      I believe NPR’s website had comments until recently. Lots of trolls and haters showed up to quibble, feeling like they were really sticking it to those silly liberals by showing up there. An interactive, ongoing Cleek’s law ritual.

  • zoomar2

    I assume the offended twits have seen the recent NRA ad and are equally outraged at the incendiary tone?

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