So you talk about danger. Only, I think the way it’s supposed to work is the people who aren’t saying the n-word then keep their dentures shut about the fact that they said danger because they knew they couldn’t say the n-word, otherwise it kind of gives away the whole game.
OK. I’ll tell you the whole history of it. So when he first announced it he said “Muslim ban.” He called me up and said, “put a commission together, show me the right way to do it legally.”
And Guliani said, I can’t because this is America and banning people based on their religion is illegal, and he hung up the phone. But that was some alternate universe. In this one, he gathered a bunch of like-minded bigots.
I put a commission together with Judge Mukasey, with Congressman McCaul, Pete King, a whole group of other very expert lawyers on this. And what we did was we focused on, instead of religion, danger. The areas of the world that create danger for us. Which is a factual basis. Not a religious basis. Perfectly legal, perfectly sensible, and that’s what the ban is based on. It’s not based on religion. It’s based on places where there are substantial evidence that people are sending terrorists into our country.
Admitting that one’s sensible, factual basis for what Steve Bannon’s right-hand man called a Muslim ban is based on something that one made up also shows a lack of finesse. Even more so when one’s plan to keep out people from allegedly dangerous countries excludes a country that “sent terrorists” into the U.S. (An event I assume Guliani remembers, but who knows.)
Well I’ll tell you about Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is going through a massive change. I think the kingdom particularly under the new prince has a real understanding that we are dealing with a massive radical Islamic terrorist problem. It is not the old Saudi Arabia. This isn’t the Saudi Arabia of 2000, 2001, 2002. President Obama is dealing with a new Saudi Arabia —
President Trump, rather, is dealing with a very different Saudi Arabia than President Obama was dealing with. And a Saudi Arabia that has much closer relationships with Israel and with us, if we know how to use it correctly. Pakistan I would have to know more about. That troubles me a little bit like it troubles you.
Like the fact that Pakistan is where Osama bin Laden was hiding out after an event that R.G. may or may not remember until President Obama sent troops to kill him.