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This is your brain. This is your brain on libertarianism.

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Any questions?

(Yes, he really did say the sun will burn up the planet some day, so we should focus on making lots of money now because money, also money and then of course there’s money. Great job, New Mexico.)

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  • weirdnoise

    What’s seven or eight orders of magnitude among friends?

    We’re all going to die some day, so why not stop breathing right now?

    • JMP

      Picard: Someone once told me that time was a predator that stalked us all our lives. But I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment because they’ll never come again. What we leave behind is not as important as how we lived. After all, Number One, we’re only mortal.
      Riker: Speak for yourself, sir. I plan to live forever.

      • Sly

        Gary Johnson: They say time is the fire in which we burn.

        • They also say time is the school in which we learn, but I’m not having any of that.

        • D.N. Nation

          You know, Soran’s plan would fit in quite well with glibertarian techbro schemes. Those moochers and welfare cheats don’t deserve the Nexus, maaaan.

      • Halloween Jack

        Patrick Stewart: It’s too late. I’ve seen everything.

    • DAS

      Is Gary Johnson trying to bring back Vaudeville or something? I can see it now “Johnson and Stein”

    • Halloween Jack

      Does your candidate have a five-billion-year plan? Huh, loony libs? GOOGLE RON RAND PAUL GARY JOHNSON HEAT DEATH OF THE UNIVERSE

    • daves09

      It’s not so much smoking the weed as remembering the conversations afterward.
      *oh wow man,someday the sun’s gonna get really huge.*
      * kool,, when’s that happening?*
      *soon, gotta be soon, we better smoke the rest of this.*

  • N__B

    Global warming is a hoax because one day the universe will suffer heat death.

    Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah.

  • DrDick

    More reasons only idiots take libertarians seriously. They are all deranged idiots.

    • Most of the hard-core stoners I’ve known are not as dim as this idiot….

    • I encountered an MRA/PUA making this argument over at “We Hunted the Mammoth” and he basically wound up with the uselessness of everything because of the “heat death of the universe.” Since he was specifically speaking of his experiences dating, in what we humans call real time, it seemed pretty bizarre–I mean: yes, heat death, whatever but how that served as a comfort when he can’t get a date for friday night was beyond me. He seemed really confused.

      • Matt McIrvin

        I can see taking some comfort in the notion that your personal screwups don’t amount to a hill of beans in the grand scheme of things. Never mind the heat death of the universe; personal mortality and the tiny cosmic scale of human affairs mean there’s a limit to how badly we can fail. (For me it’s also an argument against suicide–it’s not like you’re going to live forever anyway; might as well ride this out and try to accomplish what you can.)

        But as a policy argument, “it doesn’t matter because the Sun is going to burn the Earth someday” has the problem that it’s an argument against any policy whatsoever. If you’re a libertarian this may be a feature instead of a bug.

    • MPAVictoria
  • Honoré De Ballsack

    Seems more like Extreme Keynesianism: “In the reeeealy long run, we’re all dead.”

    • Colin Day

      Libertarians tend to reject Keynes.

      • gupwalla

        Keynes was mocking long-term thinkers (like Johnson, if you consider him a thinker) with that line – so it is more correct to say that Keynes prebutted this libertarian argument.

    • What’s interesting is that most libertarians who accept global warming is happening seem to take a position similar to that Keynes was critiquing: “it’s happening, but addressing it would be too expensive, and in the long run we’ll establish a new equilibrium”. The response to that being “yes, but in the short run millions of people will die”.

      • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

        Libertarians seem convinced that the only bad things that could ever happen to them are being unable to do any damn thing they want to do, and having to pay taxes.

        Any other negative consequences only happen to other people, and they don’t have to care about anyone other than themselves and possibly their families.

        OMG- Trump is a Libertarian.

        • LosGatosCA

          Libertarian, libertine, racist, misogynist, grifter.

          All around narcissistic asshole.

          • I thought you were going for some kind of poem there, for a minute. Or at least a limerick.

            • Ask Me Gently

              There was an orange blowhard from Queens…

              • rea

                whose winning will haunt us in dreams
                He’ll get elected
                ‘Cause lefties defected
                Now all we can hear are the screams

            • N__B

              The was an old bigot named Trump
              Whose words made my bowels go dump
              His ideas make sense
              Only if you are dense
              But deplorables help his poll numbers jump.

        • DrDick

          That is because they have all convinced themselves that they are all Galtian ubermensch, while the rest of us are just a bunch of parasites and losers. As I said above, deranged idiots.

      • Ken

        So you’re also not willing to let continental drift sort out the problems in the Middle East? (The lands west of the Jordan Rift are most likely going to get shoved under Anatolia over the next thirty million years, as Africa keeps moving north.)

        • Cheerful

          I await the moment when the National Front in France hears about this and announces a new effort to reverse continental drift.

    • Sly

      Keynes, in that instance, was arguing against the non-interventionist stance that the cycle of boom and bust will achieve a state of equilibrium eventually. So, in a way, he’s mocking the same kind of “why worry about it now” attitude expressed by Johnson.

  • brad

    Eventually his component atoms will be spread across the universe, so what’s the difference if someone turns him into lawn mulch now?

    • Ken

      The trope requires that the death has to ironically fit the offense, such as being baked in an oven. (Which come to think of it was used in Who is Killing the Great Chefs of Europe, where the deaths were based on each chef’s signature dish.)

  • efgoldman

    Yes, he really did say the sun will burn up the planet some day

    My 8th grade science teacher scared the crap out of us saying the same thing, before she added “in a few billion years.”

  • (((Hogan)))

    Might as well start swallowing cyanide because in twenty years I’ll probably be dead anyway, and it’s not like there’s anyone in the world I care about.

    • Warren Terra

      On the other hand, why bother to kill yourself, since eventually you’re going to die anyway! His logic extricates you from the bleak fate his logic damned you to.

  • Hercules Mulligan

    As the legends foretold, way back in 2014:

    “hmm well I’d say I’m fiscally conservative but socially very liberal. the problems are bad but their causes…their causes are very good”

  • Why wait? Let’s beat the rush & just burn fucking everything right now!!

    • Lost Left Coaster

      I think that a significant number of Trump voters may very well be mobilizing under this banner.

      • Redwood Rhiadra

        As well as all the #BernItDown folks on the left.

  • Jordan

    Fucking squish. Capitalism will obviously avoid this future disaster thanks to the virtues of the market. First step Mars, second step Alpha Centauri.

    • CP

      Apparently, the bad guy in Independence Day – “They’re like locusts. They consume one planet, then their entire civilization moves to another” – were actually the future of the human race, come back to us through some sort of time-warp.

      • Jordan

        Makes sense to me, as a white dude. I just need to figure out that blood-sucking life-extension thing to make sure I live that long.

      • JMP

        That is the actual concept behind the Sheeda, descendants of humanity from about a billion years in the future who regularly travel to the past to plunder previous civilization’s resources, from Grant Morrison’s amazing Seven Soldiers series.

        • CP

          Welp, one new piece of sci-fi goes on my “to-read” list.

          A comic book I read and enjoyed as a kid came at it from the opposite point of view: the villains are also time travelers from the future trying to colonize the present day. Except the motivation in their case is to escape the post-nuclear apocalyptic wasteland that the Earth became in the 21st century. Colonizing the present is, the way they figure it, only fair: they’re visiting poetic justice on the societies that developed nuclear weapons and started the wars that doomed future generations.

          That the entire story above could just as easily be written with global warming instead of nuclear apocalypse goes without saying.

          • FWIW, that pretty much – spoiler alert!…

            is the plot of season 5 of Fringe. They don’t specifically say that it’s global warming, IIRC, but they do say that Earth has become an environmental wasteland due to human activity.

            • CP

              “Human activity” is a nice way to put it, actually. Makes the show timeless; even if the problems of a particular era are worked through (nuclear war in the Cold War, global warming today), it’s a safe bet that we’ll often have something going on that’s a serious risk to the planet.

              I may have to watch that show. Though if I do, it’ll be for Leonard Nimoy.

              • Incontinentia Buttocks

                Exactly! So why bother addressing global warming? There’ll just be some other problem to replace it! #FeelTheJohnsom

              • It’s worth it. It starts out a bit slow but it certainly begins to pay off by near the end of season one or so. John Noble and Anna Torv are also really good in it. (Torv got criticised for being wooden early on, but later seasons reveal that she was doing this deliberately; I won’t explain why, because that is also a spoiler.) Really, in a way, those two in particular sort of paved the way for Tatiana Maslany’s performance in Orphan Black (although the scope isn’t as impressive, since they’re not playing as many characters).

            • Humpty-Dumpty

              That is also the premise (time travelers from the future, environmentally-devastated earth) of the novel Millenium by John Varley, though the plot goes in a different, deeply weird direction. Since it’s John Varley.

            • Gabriel Ratchet

              It’s also, more or less, the motivation behind the alien invaders in John Carpenter’s They Live, which seems more like a documentary with each passing year.

            • I adored Fringe! Its impossible to watch more than a few times because the time jumping and new timelines makes it unclear who is doing what to whom. But the earth has become an environmental wasteland primarily because humans began tinkering with their own nature, in an attempt to solve problems, and creating an entire race without sufficient empathy and humanity. These guys then go on to totally destroy the world and travel back in time to take the healthier world over. (I think! Its all a bit fuzzy now.)

            • Halloween Jack

              see also: Avatar.

          • Woodrowfan

            Star Trek :All Our Yesterdays, 1969.

    • bender
  • CP

    Shouldn’t we be celebrating the fact that he recognizes the fact that the sun will one day swallow the earth whole at all?

    I feel like most conservatives would’ve either said “no it won’t, because God promised to Noah he wouldn’t destroy the world again” or “it doesn’t matter because the Rapture will happen long before that.”

    • Warren Terra

      Given that it won’t happen on any meaningful timescale, no, not really.

      We have ten thousand times longer than the human race has existed before the sun expands.

      Would you be happy if he showed a deep understanding of string theory, and then used that as a basis on which not to provide school lunches?

      • JMP

        It’s sad and pathetic that it’s so, but so many conservatives insist that the world is only 6,000 years old because an old book says so despite the fact that that’s been definitely proven to be completely wrong that it is notable even though that should be default, and anyone who refuses to accept that reality should be laughed out of society.

      • CP

        What JMP said. Basically, I’m grading on a curve.

        Would you be happy if he showed a deep understanding of string theory, and then used that as a basis on which not to provide school lunches?

        Well. No, but I’d be slightly less unhappy than if told me that school lunches shouldn’t be provided because Jesus told him in a dream that starvation is a liberal hoax. Which is about the level that most conservatives are at when it comes to the sciency things.

      • DocAmazing

        Silly string theory, maybe.

        • Lurking Canadian

          Surely String Cheese Theory has more relevance to the school lunch program

    • alex284

      Except no, the going prediction is that the sun becomes a red giant just under 1 AU in radius, which means that the earth might just get scorched until the sun collapses to a white dwarf. There’s a chance that the earth will survive that whole process. (Of course the sun is getting hotter and all life on Earth will be destroyed well before the sun goes red giant, and white dwarfs are pretty terrible at supporting life as we know it as well.)

      Sorry, libertarians, you all should have been born on Mercury or Venus where death in the red giant is guaranteed! Which means you have to deal with climate change.

  • Joe Bob the III

    As if we needed another example that libertarians are just typical Republican shitheels, who like to smoke dope.

  • tsam

    Some asshat on the internet was trying to tell everyone not to worry about climate change because us crafty assed humans can tech our way around it. I asked if he was willing to bet the lives of his descendants on that (with a parenthetical reference wondering what happens to people who can’t afford the tech) and he answered that he didn’t have any kids. I was bracing for the usual dumbshit routine about not wanting to bring children into such a crappy world, but had to settle for letting him know that we all appreciate his willingness to bet the lives of our descendants on his cunning plan to out-tech our environment.

    • liberalrob

      I was bracing for the usual dumbshit routine about not wanting to bring children into such a crappy world

      Definitely something I’ve thought about…and it’s people like that guy who’re going to create that crappy world.

    • And talking of sci-fi books, this reminds me of a Robert Silverberg (??) novel in which

      Spoiler alert

      The plan to deal with a severely polluted planet involved radical genetic modification of human beings. (The Big Question being, would the result still be human? And if not, wasn’t this just a plan to save the human race by destroying it?)

      • N__B

        That sounds like mid-career Silverberg, after his space-opera phase and before he discovered Gilgamesh.

        I still love Planet of Death, even if he disowned it.

    • bobbo1

      Thing is, we do need to tech our way – not around it, but to prevent more of it. I.e. through mass adoption of alternative energy that doesn’t create carbon pollution. And people like said asshat apparently are happy to spend the money on the former but not the latter.

  • VonnegutFeeling

    To paraphrase Walter Sobchak: “Libertarians! Fuck me. I mean, say what you about the tenets of American Conservatism, Dude, at least it’s an ethos.”

    Also, because this might help explain ze Johnson’s lackadaisical manner:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOY5OzdXU18

    • DAS

      Actually, as I’ve been saying for some time now, today’s GOP is dedicated to demonstrating that nihilism is indeed an ethos.

      • I think this is unfair to actual nihilists. Actual nihilism is, for all its faults, a coherent philosophy; not one I particularly agree with, but it has a clear point of view and it’s possible to follow the reasoning behind it. There doesn’t seem to be any reasoning behind the stances of modern Republicans apart from “IGM,FY” and “Burn it all down”.

  • postmodulator

    Off-topic, but I have to say it because I’m seething with rage: Rob Portman has picked up like five Union endorsements in his race for reelection to the Senate.

    God help the next person who complains to me that the Democrats aren’t reliable friends of labor.

    • efgoldman

      Rob Portman has picked up like five Union endorsements in his race for reelection to the Senate.

      Public safety unions, who have been acting like assholes since Sanctus Ronaldus Magnus, or actual working people unions?

      • postmodulator

        Teamsters, building trades. FOP too, of course.

        • jim, some guy in iowa

          what’s the reasoning behind the endorsements?

          • postmodulator

            Who cares?

            • GeoX

              People who want to understand why things happen the way they do?

              • postmodulator

                But the answer is always “People are shortsighted idiots with no grasp of cause and affect.”

                Even in this thread, people saying “Well, of course the police union,” but it’s only been a couple of years since the Ohio GOP tried to strip collective bargaining rights from public employees’ unions — and unlike other states, Ohio didn’t exempt the police. They got a bill through the Statehouse and signed by noted moderate John Kasich, but it was overturned by referendum the following year. Every left of center organization in Ohio came together to get that referendum passed. This year, I guess, comes the “payoff.”

                Oh, well. Perhaps a lifetime of misery with a GOP boot on their necks will teach them an important lesson about causality.

                • NonyNony

                  Oh, well. Perhaps a lifetime of misery with a GOP boot on their necks will teach them an important lesson about causality.

                  Does the boot push harder on the necks of the people with darker skin?

                  Then nope!

                • veleda_k

                  Oh, well. Perhaps a lifetime of misery with a GOP boot on their necks will teach them an important lesson about causality.

                  Unfortunately, I think it’s more, “I’m miserable for reasons I don’t understand, but it’s probably the fault of immigrants and welfare queens.”

          • pdxtyler

            Teamsters think he’s going to win and Portman worked with them on not cutting pensions.

        • CP

          The cop unions, I get.

          The Teamsters and the building trades – what is it that makes them so consistently a bunch of assholes? It’s not just the Republican endorsements – over the last half century and beyond, when people talk about corruption and organized crime ties in the unions, it always seems to be those two that are at the forefront.

          • efgoldman

            The Teamsters and the building trades – what is it that makes them so consistently a bunch of assholes?

            I don’t think the Teamsters ever got over Bobby Kennedy investigating Dave Beck and Jimmy Hoffa.
            As for the building trades, the Eastern locals, particularly NYC, never got over being forced to integrate women and minorities.

            • CP

              That would explain the Republican tendencies, but not the other issues. As the Jimmy Hoffa reference indicates, the Teamsters were trouble before RFK ever got involved.

              (And yes, I know all organizations are corruptible, but it does seem to cling to some unions more than others).

            • yeah, building trades are pretty damn bigoted.

              • N__B

                It doesn’t help that every site I’ve been on for the past fifteen years has Limbaugh blaring constantly.

              • DAS

                As a straight male, I’m very disappointed with the lack of progress in integrating women into construction. True, I’ve seen many more women on construction crews, but not one of them has ever catcalled me.

              • bender

                Seems shortsighted, because Democrats are more likely to vote for infrastructure projects at taxpayer expense, specifying that the work be done by union labor.

          • Linnaeus

            It should be noted that Strickland has the endorsement of 41 unions (including some individual locals) plus the state AFL-CIO. Among those endorsing him are several building trades unions:

            Laborers’ International Union of North America
            Bricklayers and Allied Craft Workers
            International Association of Ironworkers
            International Association of Heat Frost Insulation and Asbestos Workers
            United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners

            • postmodulator

              Yes, Strickland is still ahead. Still though. Strickland cultivated labor assiduously throughout his political career, and Portman has a findable anti-union voting history. What’s it take?

          • Kalil

            My own personal union rep (MEBA) just got out of prison – he got caught engaging in tax evasion to the tune of 400k, after the State of Florida looked askance at his vehicle registration – snowmobiles aren’t exactly popular there.

            It’s disappointing, but corruption of union officials very much remains a thing.

        • Phil Perspective

          FOP sucks. I don’t know what is going on with Teamster locals. The building trades aren’t FOP but they can be pretty racist too, sadly. Still, I wonder what the Teamsters and the building trades are thinking.

  • liberalrob

    On a lighter note, Belichick just won with his 3rd-string QB thus proving that QB is the most overrated and overpaid position in football. :)

    • efgoldman

      Belichick just won with his 3rd-string QB

      Terrible thing to say about a supposedly good football team, but it looked like Houston came in afraid and intimidated. They played the whole game with their heads lodged as far up their asses as possible.

    • CrunchyFrog

      Well, sarcasm aside, that may not be that QB is the most overrated, but honestly the results these first 3 games and in 2008 does make for an interesting discussion regarding how much of Brady’s success has been due to being on a Belichick team – rather than the common trope that Belichick’s success will decline once Brady retires.

      Until now the common analysis was that when Brady was injured in 2008 the team’s regular season performance dropped by 5 wins from 16-0 to 11-5, so he was worth 5 games. But realistically there is no way the 2008 Pats were going to repeat a 16-0 season, just by regression to the mean. We never got to see how those Matt Cassel-led Pats would have done in the playoffs because they got the very short end of the tiebreaker stick and are one of 2 11-5 teams to miss the playoffs (and the only one since the playoffs were expanded to 6 teams per conference).

      But, now with some historical perspective. Matt Cassel. 11-5. Holy crap. Even with every dice roll going Kansas City’s way and then some – with Weis as OC (the position he should have stayed at but for the Peter principle) and a highly talented defense and with a weak division – they only managed 10-6.

      By contrast, Peyton Manning misses a year and his team goes from 10-6 and only a year away from the Super Bowl to 2-14. (I know you could do a counter-example from last year – but that wasn’t *Peyton Manning* – that was a shadow of a ghost of Peyton and was nothing like Peyton from the rest of his career.)

      I know the meme amongst Brady supporters is that Manning needed everything to be perfect for him to perform well while Brady somehow made success in all conditions. But maybe the correct meme is that Brady did well in all conditions because he played for the greatest coach of all time who created the conditions to make his QB be successful.

      Now imagine Manning was drafted by a Belichick team.

    • Lurking Canadian

      Obviously quarterbacks are fungible.

    • Joe_JP

      Well it’s a mixture of things — Brady gets hurt in first game, back-up wins 11 games for them but his success is not translated when he gets to a different team. And, that sort of dominance deserves credit to the opposition. Plus, it’s those extra games that matter, those late comebacks etc.

  • Nobdy

    OT but I think important:

    A Facebook/Virtual Reality hundred millionaire has been funding anti-Hillary pro-Trump “memes” and propaganda.

    His name is Palmer Luckey (we are living in a satire) and he cites fighting the ‘elite’ as part of his reason for supporting Trump.

    I guess this is just more proof that concentrating wealth in a few hands is a bad idea, but I think the fact that the next generation of Sheldon Adelsons will operate completely outside the political system funding shadowy groups of propagandists is just as terrifying as Russia or other foreign powers using hackers and trolls to influence the election.

    At least the Koch brothers left a paper trail and formed an organization that could be resisted. This is scary, dystopian, stuff.

    • ColBatGuano

      Christ, what an asshole.

      • I don’t usually find anything too strange but, as you say, this is horrific. I feel literally sick after reading it.

    • petesh

      Thanks — I didn’t know about that. There is a very scary brand of techno-eugenics percolating around Silicon Valley, which ranges from the apparently benign intentions of Zuckerberg to the likes of the now-notorious Peter Thiel, and apparently this guy. They all know best, they think.

      • Linnaeus

        One of the downsides of the growing influence of Silicon Valley.

  • MilitantlyAardvark

    We shouldn’t spend money on food, clothing or housing because one day the sun will “grow and encompass the earth”

    In sum, Gary Johnson is your nihilism wrapped in self-pitying white male menopause candidate. At least, until the boiled ham topped with string cheese decides to retrieve the title by saying something even more egregiously stupid and malevolent.

  • ForkyMcSpoon

    This is an excellent point.

    Why worry about how many jobs liberal government regulations will kill? Those jobs will eventually be destroyed when the sun vaporizes the earth regardless of how much regulation we have.

    I guess we might as well resign ourselves to building a fair, equitable, environmentally sustainable society that promotes human health and flourishing and accept the horrific consequences to the business world, because all businesses are going to be incinerated anyway.

    • Gareth

      Preventing the sun vapourising the earth sounds like a legitimate function of government to me. Better set up the dedicated tax now.

      • so-in-so

        No, see, the problem is some rugged individualist/entrepreneur might have to pay another dollar in taxes. Compared to that tragedy, what is the future immolation of the earth?

      • rea

        Preventing the sun vapourising the earth sounds like a legitimate function of government to me.

        Libertarians,of course, disagree:

        I don’t speak for all libertarians, but I think there’s a good case to be made that taxing people to protect the Earth from an asteroid, while within Congress’s powers, is an illegitimate function of government from a moral perspective. I think it’s O.K. to violate people’s rights (e.g. through taxation) if the result is that you protect people’s rights to some greater extent (e.g. through police, courts, the military). But it’s not obvious to me that the Earth being hit by an asteroid (or, say, someone being hit by lightning or a falling tree) violates anyone’s rights; if that’s so, then I’m not sure I can justify preventing it through taxation.

        http://volokh.com/2011/02/15/asteroid-defense-and-libertarianism/

        • NonyNony

          I remember that bit of stupid. I’d forgotten exactly how stupid it was though.

        • Gareth

          That sounds more like nihilism than libertarianism.

  • Cheerful

    I am struck by his follow on, that preventing climate change will cost “trillions” and that the consequences of climate change will be minor in comparison. This is not a person who’s given the matter any actual thought – what does he think, that with climate change we may spend another billion on air conditioning?

  • lizzie

    A few minutes later, an aide directed him to a room in the convention center that was named for Harriet Tubman. “Who’s Harriet Tubman?” Johnson asked.

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/gary-johnson-the-third-party-candidate

    • King Goat

      The more libertarians I come across on the internet and in person the more I’m impressed with how many of these people who have chosen the name *libert*arian to describe themselves don’t seem to give two shits about historical figures, such as Tubman, Turner, Louverture, Spartacus, etc., who stood up from slavery to fight against it and for liberty and instead immerse themselves in historical slaveowners like Cato, Jefferson, Henry, etc. Telling, that.

      • CrunchyFrog

        Libertarianism is more a pose than an philosophy. There is the “independent thinker” pose – I mean, everyone wants to say they don’t follow the herd, they stand out on their own. There is the “I hate government” pose, which is a status symbol that is mostly unique to the US (“rugged individualist” and all that). And in the past half century as the GOP became the party of white racism and thus also of fundamentalist wackos it’s the “I’m a conservative but *not* a religious nutcase” pose. It’s possible for a libertarian to take on all of these poses, as they are interlinked.

        Gary Johnson’s comment about global warming and the sun taking over the early is definitely of the latter variety – conservative but not religious. Neither he nor the religious conservatives give a rat’s ass about the environment or future generations – they’re all in it for whatever they can grab for themselves now. But while the religious nutcases will use religion to justify it – as in James Watt’s infamous “I do not know how many future generations we can count on before the Lord returns” – the libertarians have to substitute something from science or pseudo science to trumpet their independent thinking. Hence the comment about the Sun going nova or whatever. Don’t worry about timeframes as this isn’t about logic, it’s a pose. Fuck future generations I want mine now – that’s what it’s about.

        Sure, you can get into an argument with a libertarian about actual government policies and if you’re good you’ll get him (almost always a him – interesting, that) to storm off within 10 minutes as he realizes that his anti-government philosophy doesn’t withstand any scrutiny because it’s so logically inconsistent. “So we need national defense. How do you pay for it? What if your troops need medical care?” and so on. “Do your private roads include city streets?” After a while it’s like shooting proverbial fish in the barrel. But there really isn’t any point. You won’t change his mind because he’s not trying to come up with a logical system of government or to solve society’s challenges. He’s trying to justify a hyper-selfish philosophy to give him what he wants and screw everyone else.

        • King Goat

          Yeah, I’ve always thought that most libertarianism I come across is intellectual sounding lipstick put on a pig made up of two sentiments: ‘don’t tell me what to do!’ and ‘hey, don’t touch my stuff!’

        • Linnaeus

          It’s possible for a libertarian to take on all of these poses, as they are interlinked.

          The 24 types of libertarian.

    • Matt McIrvin

      What the fuck? Did he go to elementary school?

      • Matt McIrvin

        …looking it up, I find that his father was a public school teacher, and he still doesn’t know who Harriet Tubman was.

        • so-in-so

          She (Tubman) helped deprive people of their lawful property, so why would a Libertarian consider her a hero? Don't most of them consider Lincoln a monster for using the power of the state to deprive people of property? And the Civil Rights Act an abridgment of (white) peoples rights of association and to run their businesses as they chose?

          • Bitter Scribe

            What’s scary is that your last sarcastically rhetorical question would not, to a “libertarian,” be sarcastic or rhetorical at all.

            • Matt McIrvin

              I have heard that some libertarians have proposed that slavery needs to be legalized under some circumstances for people to be truly free. The reasoning is basically that freedom means owning your own body, and you don’t truly own your own body unless you can sell it, which means you need to have the ability to sell yourself into slavery, which isn’t possible unless there is a legal form of slavery.

  • kayden

    Statements like Johnson’s is why Libertarians should never hold public office. Let them smoke dope to their hearts content since that’s all they seem to care about. I keep hearing that Johnson is sucking away support from Clinton more than from Trump which is very disappointing.

    • NonyNony

      I think people misread polls quite a bit. When they say “sucking support from Clinton” what they mean is that the poll respondent ranked Clinton higher than Trump but lower than Johnson in some manner.

      It could very well be that the respondent’s preferences are Johnson, Harambe, Stein, Staying home on election day and getting baked, Clinton, Getting hit by a bus, Contracting Ebloa, Getting an incurable STD, Trump. This would not show up in most of the polling being done (except for a few of the ones done by PPP, where they ask the important questions).

  • Harkov311

    I remember thinking Gary Johnson was an idiot back when he was governor of New Mexico. He’s apparently still an idiot.

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  • Rob in CT

    Sigh. Nice selective acceptance of science there, Gary.

    Long before the sun goes red giant it’ll be pumping out too much heat for life on earth to handle (peaking at ~130% of current output, IIRC). Long before that we’d be due to for any number of cataclysmic events (major impact event, supervolcano eruption) that would put a serious hurt on (at a minimum) civilization, if not the species.

    But whatever, maaaaaaan.

  • Joe_JP

    There is some emphasis on Jill Stein, but some of the poll data I saw shows Gary Johnson is the guy currently getting the margin of victory Clinton needs in a few states.

    • Rob in CT

      And may be pulling more from HRC than from Trump.

      Sigh.

  • Mellano

    Cugel Johnson said, “when the sun goes out, all deeds, significant or not, will be forgotten together.”

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  • Bitter Scribe

    This must be the atheistic version of James Watt, Reagan’s secretary of the interior (and what a fuck-you joke that was), saying it wasn’t necessary to take care of the environment because the Lord was going to return soon anyway.

  • 4jkb4ia

    I think that we have learned from previous statements that the people who will be most affected by climate change are too far away for Gary Johnson to have any interest in their lives.

    I would have great interest in Gary Johnson attempting to fisk any of Hank Paulson’s statements about climate change.

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