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Donald Trump’s description of an Indiana-born judge as a “Mexican” is all part of an ongoing branding exercise:

Today, barely three out of five Americans are non-Hispanic whites. In another two or three decades, “white” people, as traditionally defined, will make up less than half the population. White America is in the process of disappearing, and it’s no surprise that tens of millions of people who thought of this as their country are frightened by the thought that it isn’t any more.

All this helps explain incidents such as Trump’s claim this week that a federal judge who has ruled against him in a lawsuit is a “Mexican,” even though the judge was born in Indiana. Clueless journalists treated this as yet another example of Trump’s apparently bottomless ignorance, when in fact it’s obviously a strategic choice on his part.

To Trump’s supporters, a person of Mexican ancestry is Mexican, rather than American, because Americans are white, and “Mexicans” aren’t. To the overt racists who make up Trump’s – and to a significant extent, the contemporary Republican party’s – electoral base, non-whites are at best Americans by courtesy or sufferance, because America has always been a white country.

A few years ago, Trump discovered that there was an enormous untapped market, as he would think of it, for overt racism in mainstream American politics. This is why he laid the groundwork for his presidential run by constantly repeating paranoid nonsense about Barack Obama not really being an American. He was, as they say in the business schools, establishing his “brand.”

It is very important to keep in mind that Donald Trump is now the leader of the Republican party, and that this means the Republican party is now the party of overt racism, in pretty much the same way the southern wing of the Democratic party was the party of overt, unreconstructed racism seventy years ago, when Trump first began to contaminate the planet.

Saying so isn’t considered polite, because that would imply that, as long as it’s the party of Trump, and, more important, Trumpism, being a Republican is no longer a respectable thing to be. It isn’t.

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  • BJN

    Today, barely three out of five Americans are non-Hispanic whites. In another two or three decades, “white” people, as traditionally defined, will make up less than half the population. White America is in the process of disappearing,

    Wait, what? In several decades, white people will only be *HALF* the country, and that means white America is “disappearing”? I feel bad for black, Asian, gay, etc. Americas which obviously never existed due to not being a majority.

    • delazeur

      White America is an institution that wields control over of the country. It is unlike any other “Demographic America.”

      • Mike in DC

        With respect to wealth and political power, White America will continue to have a great deal of control over the country for decades after becoming a minority.

        • CP

          The ur-example of this is South Africa. Less than 10% white, but that sure as hell hasn’t made them disenfranchised.

        • JCougar

          Depends on what White America you’re talking about. If you’re talking about paternalistic greedy assholes who own everything and whose only motivating principal is caveat emptor–most of which happen to be old, white males–than I’d bet White America will continue on for many more decades.

          On the other hand, they days of the white middle-class being marginally more privileged than PoC are slowly coming to an end. However, the evidence is mixed as to whether this new equality among the proles will be achieved by things getting better for PoC or things simply getting worse for poor-ish whites. My guess is that it’s the latter.

          Instead of one prole side turning to racist/nativist invective, and the the other side hectoring the first about “privilege,” which is an argument that will accomplish exactly 0 for either side, it would be nice if both sides could unite and turn on the filthy demons that are actually doing the repressing.

          • JMP

            It’s always good to get a nice round of “both sides do it!” in to act all holier than thou even when one of those of those sides is racist while the other is apparently somehow wrong for noting that racism, and those are somehow supposed to be equivalent. But I condemn both sides, which magically makes me superior to both of them, even if one side is right and the other is wrong!

            • JCougar

              I don’t think that one of those sides is as blanketly racist as the other side alleges. There’s far more false claims of racism out there than there are valid claims.

              That doesn’t negate the actual racism that’s out there, or that it is very wrong, but the false claims do dilute and poison the well, and make it more difficult for the legitimate claims to be heard.

              Nor was my post an attempt at falsely equating the two.

              As for poor whites being blanketly racist, that’s another overly-broad generalization. Poor whites are still only about 50/50 Democrat vs. Republican, so the Southern Strategy was never enough to lure half of them away from Democrats. I doubt that berating these people for being “privileged racists” is going to produce any political gains for the side doing the berating.

              If we narrow the accusation down to only the poor whites who are responsive to Trump’s absurd, overtly racist rhetoric, then that’s a different story. But accusations of “privilege” and “racist” haven’t been limited to just these people lately.

              All in all, I see a culture that’s devolving and putting more and more energy into a cantankerous but petty debate that’s not going to create any progress for anyone else.

              Despite making progress population-wise, PoC are actually regressing when it comes to per-capita share of this country’s wealth. The solution to that is not to accuse large swaths of the country of “privilege.”

              • JCougar

                And upon further reflection, I would go so far as to say that false and possibly some frivolous accusations of racism actually are as bad as racism itself, at least as far as pure speech goes. If I was equating anything in the above post to racism, it was false and overly-broad accusations. It takes an extremely intellectually dishonest reading of what I said to assume I was equating racism with the calling out of real racism, which is something I’m very personally invested in.

                I’ve been talking about and dealing with sub-conscious and implicit bias for over a decade, and it’s a very real phenomenon that has a real and negative effect on many people’s lives. But it’s something that’s hard to prove in individual instances, and it’s a hard sell with the general public, most of whom are overly-skeptical of a lot of legitimate claims of racism because false and frivolous claims are so commonplace.

                Indiscriminately lobbing accusations of “racism” at anyone who disagrees with you doesn’t help. If anyone’s trying to use logical fallacy to act “holier than thou” and “superior,” it’s the people that engage in the above.

                But go ahead and call me out…I’m sure my posts haven’t met some litmus test of ideological purity.

                (as an aside, nothing I’ve posted in this diary is meant to negate Paul’s original article, which is, of course, a very real example of someone running a blatantly racist campaign)

                • JMP

                  And upon further reflection, I would go so far as to say you should wait for someone to actually make false and frivolous accusations of racism before railing against something that does not actually exist outside of your imagination.

                  False and frivolous claims of racism are not just not commonplace, they are virtually unknown, and whenever someone tries to make that ludicrous claim what they’re actually doing is denying the existence of very real racism.

                  It happens all the time, someone says something racist, people point out, “hey that’s racist!” and then the brave defenders of racism start yelling “how dare you pull the race card!” and otherwise railing about how bad it is to call someone racist just for being racist.

                  “Indiscriminately lobbing accusations of “racism” at anyone who disagrees with you doesn’t help. ”

                  That does not happen. People call someone racist because they said something racist, and then the defenders of racism go “how dare you call someone racist just for disagreeing with you!”, even though no, people are calling them racist for doing or saying something racist.

                  But hey, keep fighting against those straw men!

                • JCougar

                  I never said false denials of racism didn’t exist, either. They obviously do. Anyhow, you were the one to bring false claims of racism into this by erroneously accusing me of equating racism with calling out racism. So don’t force me to defend myself and then attack me for defending myself.

                  Anyhow, if you don’t think false accusations of racism exist, I’m pretty sure you live your life in a sheltered bubble somewhere. They’re commonplace, and your average American’s experience with them is that they are generally false and frivolous. I’d even argue that these are one of the primary causes of both racial animosity today, and of skepticism of racism’s existence in general.

                  There’s been plenty of examples of how this issue has gone off the rails particularly in the last few years–to the point that now liberals are calling out other liberals for being racist just because they disagree on a political candidate on a non-racial issue.

                  Anyhow, my entire point in my original post was that poor people of any race screaming at each other and trying to out-demonize each other isn’t going to get anyone anywhere.

                  I’m sure there’s several dozen hapless white male poors sitting in a trailer park in Alabama that are rooting for Trump, that haven’t had a permanent, full-time job in 9 years, and get by on intermittently working weeks at a time for $9.25/hour at a physically demanding job. Screaming about how these people are “privileged” or “racist” doesn’t get anyone anywhere. No political progress will be achieved. These people will never be in a position of power over anyone, so they’re unlikely to ever deny power to minorities, unless they go out and commit a hate crime or something. Nobody is “liberating” PoC by calling these downtrodden people “racist,” even if they really are racist.

                  I get the feeling that these hollow calls for social justice are done for vanity’s and ego’s sake, kind of like a badge to show you’re a bona-fide “member of the club,” without a lot of critical thinking going on around them. In a way, it’s starting to turn into a religion of the left: “We are the infallible chosen moral arbiters, and if you’re outside our circle, you’re damned.”

                  And anyone that’s ever been at a negotiating table realizes that that the best way to never get anything solved ever is to, before anyone even sits down, start demonizing and attacking the other side to the point they get up and walk out of the room.

                  American discourse and politics have gotten to the point where we resemble a dysfunctional family argument at the Thanksgiving dinner table–not just among the unwashed public partisans, but with the elected party leaders and politicians themselves. Legislation is now passed or blocked not because it’s good public policy, but to get revenge on the other side.

                  I suppose that’s what happens when you pair modern media with a ton of people getting fucked over and scammed but where society has become so complex that even the experts can’t really uncover exactly who scammed who in the end. But I have some words of advice for both sides of this argument in terms of figuring that out: “follow the money, and ignore the petty ideological grievances between you.”

              • JMP

                A lot of bigots like to whine about “false” claims of racism, even though they never actually seem to happen; every time there’s some complaining about “pulling the race card” or the like, if you look at the underlying issue, there actually is racism there every single time. There aren’t actual false claims of racism out there.

                If someone doesn’t want to be called racist, then they should avoid saying anything racist, then it’s a 100% guaranteed that they won’t be called racist. That’s actually very simple!

                And as for poor white people being blanketly racist, good job fighting against that an argument that you just made up and nobody actually made! Do you have any more straw men to erect and rail against?

                But oh, some white men might have to acknowledge that we are in fact privileged, and that might hurt their precious feelings. We must protect the poor feelings of the privileged white men!

          • Origami Isopod

            and the the other side hectoring the first about “privilege,” which is an argument that will accomplish exactly 0 for either side

            Your pissy little rants need a couple of mentions of “identity politics” to be truly complete.

            • JCougar

              Nah, you’re missing the point, which is that this absurd divisiveness is actually getting in the way of the kind of social progress that both sides seek.

              Keep patting yourself on the back, though.

        • MAJeff

          Heck, it won’t even become a minority. White folks will be a plurality.

      • BJN

        That’s a debatable definition of what “white America” exclusively means, but even when that power is no longer absolute, white America as a power structure will not cease to exist. I’m all for criticizing these things, but playing into the hand that “white people are DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED” doesn’t advance the debate.

      • That institution is losing its power a lot more slowly than the demographics are changing, though.

        • Yankee

          When I was a young hippie in the ’60s we expected the collapse of western civilization very soon now. Actually I haven’t changed my expectation but I’ve had to adjust my time horizon: evidently a dinosaur can bleed and keep moving a lot longer than you would expect. Sea level rise should definately do the job, tho’. Whether that will improve the lot of the working man I couldn’t say.

          • J. Otto Pohl

            To riff off of Ghandi, I think Western Civilization would be a good idea.

          • Hogan

            Oh no! Not western civilization! That’s where all my friends live!

            (h/t Fafblog)

      • Lurker

        The difference is also that there are no separate white cultural institutions. Formerly, the governing or main stream institutions were white by segregtion. Now, those institutions are losing or have lost their white identity, and there are no subcultural institutions for whites.

        • delazeur

          Not sure I agree entirely. Off the top of my head there are a number of Irish and Nordic heritage institutions. I would also include Sons & Daughters of the American Revolution and Masons/Elks/Kiwis/etc. even if they don’t put “whites only” signs on their doors anymore.

          Of course you are right, however, that it is no longer socially acceptable (in polite company) to walk around calling yourself a “proud white” the way someone might be able to say they are a “proud African American.”

          • CP

            There was a funny conversation, in a black humor kind of way, that transpired amongst my group of college friends when the 1%er among us started talking about her father’s country club and it turned out that it didn’t accept Jewish or black members:

            “Wait, they actually still refuse Jewish and black members?”
            “No, they don’t refuse them!”
            “But what would happen if a black or Jewish person tried to sign up?”
            “But that wouldn’t happen!”
            “But what would happen if they tried?”
            “But they wouldn’t!”
            “Because they’re banned?”
            “NOOO! They just… wouldn’t! They just… know!”

          • Woodrowfan

            There are black Masonic chapters that date back to colonial Massachusetts. Most other Masonic Orders recognize them as fellow Masons. Guess where the other Masonic Orders do NOT recognize them?* Yep, South Carolina. (One of my student is a Mason and did a really interesting paper on the issue for class)

            * there is another, but I can’t remember which deep south state it is.

            • delazeur

              Huh, would not have guessed they were that old.

          • PohranicniStraze

            Pretty sure my kids are still eligible for the SAR/DAR regardless of being mixed.

            For that matter, they are eligible for Sons/Daughters of the Confederacy, which would be pretty humorous for the one who looks mostly Asian.

            • delazeur

              Sure, but that doesn’t mean those aren’t white cultural institutions.

        • AMK

          American Evangelical Christianity is the de facto “subcultural institution” and identity touchstone for downscale whites. That the Christian right began its rise to nationwide political prominence within a few years of the civil rights movement is not a coincidence.

    • so-in-so

      If you aren’t the “default” when someone says “American” (or ‘Mericun’, whatever) then you ain’t nothin’.

      Blacks, Asian’s, gays and other minorities were pretty much considered invisible except when they needed a bashing until the mid to late 20th century.

      • BJN

        And that’s terrible, but what does that have to do with the idea that whites becoming merely a plurality means that “white America” has disappeared? White people existing with a less dominant social position is a good thing that shouldn’t be considered some sort of cultural collapse, right?

        • so-in-so

          Well, I agree, but the white supremacists don’t so much. Including a lot of people who refuse to admit that is their position.

          If all minorities were invisible in your imagined “golden age”, and you are aware of becoming a minority, you have to think that YOU will then disappear into invisibility. If you then think back on how you treated those people, it’s a bleak prospect.

          • BJN

            Yeah, I know that we are in agreement. It just seems strange for an article that seems to be also against white supremacy just plopping that claim in there unexamined

            • Paul Campos

              By “white America” I mean a mostly unconscious longstanding belief in how white identity defines the identity of the nation. That’s what’s disappearing pretty rapidly.

              • BJN

                Okay, not how I read it, but now I can see it not as “the part of America that is white” but “the concept of ‘America’ as something which is white.”

                Still, going out with a bang, not a whimper, right?

                • fd2

                  In dog training, and in psychology, there is a term called “extinction burst”, which means when a behavior stops being rewarded, there is a sharp INCREASE in frequency before it decreases.

                  A lot of this election, and these past few years in general, make a great deal more sense in that context.

                • LosGatosCA

                  That is absolutely correct.

                  I suggest the ‘extinction burst’ is also intensified by elite Republicans who see the most likely future’s consequences for themselves and want to roll back as much of the progress since the New Deal as possible. By any means – voter suppression, judicial activism, unconstitutional statutes. It will then take decades for the Democratic progressives to rewin the territory (at the federal level) they earned through the end of LBJ’s term.

                  Of course, they will fight the final rearguard at the state level for the next 50-75 years. Alabama’s constitution may NEVER be modified to eliminate Jim Crow. ALEC will have the necessary resources to do continual damage and obstruction.

    • Many of those Hispanics were ‘white’ when they were in Mexico and only magically became a different race when they crossed the border. like the Irish, Italians and Jews before them, in a generation or two, many will magically become ‘white’ again.

      • New Dawn

        Mexicans are Mestizos, ie Iberian Europeans with significant Amerind admixture. This makes thier IQs, on average, ten points lower than apure blooded white. They will never act white and therefore never be white.

        • Shantanu Saha

          I’ll wager that New Dawn’s IQ is about 50 points lower than mine.

          Does that mean that he’s not actually white? Because I’m not.

          • Nepos

            Oh, he’s white–unfortunately, his brain matter is the purest white as well.

            /medicine joke

            • Tyto

              “My God . . . it’s full of Tau . . . “

      • Linnaeus

        If Trump supporters went to Mexico, or even just did about two minutes’ worth of research on the country, they’d be bewildered by the number of Mexicans who do not look like they seem to think all Mexicans do.

  • brad

    The idea that Trump was playing that kind of long con game with the birther crap as opposed to having stepped in jumped into and wallowed in what amounts to the right huge steaming pile of shit for the current Repub base seems… charitable.
    I just don’t think he’s that devious. Evil can be very stupid, too.

    • Yeah, I also had trouble buying that part. Nothing about his campaign strikes me as planned any earlier than the current election cycle.

      • GFW

        Nothing about his campaign strikes me as planned any earlier than the current electionews cycle.

        Fixed that for you.

    • witlesschum

      He appears to me much more like someone who’s wandered into things using his enormous talent for getting media attention much moreso than someone who had a cunning plan all along.

      • BiloSagdiyev

        A talent, and a deep-seated need for media attention.

        • so-in-so

          A talent, a deep-seated need for media attention and a ruthless efficiency – I’ll come in again.

          • Woodrowfan

            +1 +2 +3

    • ploeg

      I think that the main conceptual problem here is that one would think that those who plan to run for POTUS would develop an extensive political record with firm policy positions. Trump actually contemplated running for NY Gov last time around, but rejected that idea, reasoning that a political record would be a net negative when running for nomination as a Republican. Sure he’s not big into planning things out, but he’s been thinking about running for President for ages.

      • LosGatosCA

        Plus he’s had practice at running before, he just pulled the plug when it threatened other revenue streams

  • Alex.S

    I’m pretty comfortable with the idea that Trump has always been a racist and a misogynist. I doubt he was thinking about a presidential run with birther stuff — he just liked the attention. Conservative media like giving it to him, so then conservative politicians sought out his endorsement, and now the Republican party has embraced overt racism.

    On the plus side, get to add one to the list of “I’m trying to say I’m not racist/sexist/whatever, but I’m racist/sexist/whatever” with
    * “The judge, who happens to be, we believe, Mexican, which is great.” -Donald Trump

    • postmodulator

      The birther stuff built his national profile, which is the asset he monetizes. He thought an abortive presidential run would build it further. But then he was winning. Why quit if he’s winning?

    • ploeg

      Obviously one must take what Trump means by “great” into account when you hear that Donald Trump will make America “great” again.

    • Matt McIrvin

      He’s repeatedly expressed interest in running for President, going all the way back to 1988, and he ran for the Reform Party nomination in 2000. I think he also dropped the usual hints in 2012. But attention is probably what it was always about.

  • Davis

    There are quite a few “Mexicans” (i.e., anyone with a Spanish surname) in the Southwest whose ancestors were here before the Pilgrims.

    • so-in-so

      We know that facts and logic are held in highest regard by the Trumpists and GOP in general, amirite?

    • post deleted… so-and-so beat me to it.

      • so-and-so beat me to it.

        That’s “in”, not “and”.

        I think it’s a tell; probably a Mexican, right?

        • Woodrowfan

          is that a regional difference? I’ve always heard “so and-so”

          • Oh, so have I. Though with “and” pronounced “[schwa]n'”.

            I just thought this would be a good opportunity to start a proper investigation of the matter.

    • sparks

      Trump goes to Malibu, finds Leo Carrillo State Park and wonders why anyone in Malibu would want to name it after a Mexican.

      • Davis

        That there is a Leo Carillo State Park makes me smile. Thanks.

      • Karen24

        I can’t wait to see how he reacts to the existence of Zavala County, Texas, as well as the cities of San Antonio and Seguin.

    • As they say down here: “We didn’t come to the United States; the United States came to us.”

  • postmodulator

    I wouldn’t say I had formed a high opinion of the Republican party, over the years, but I am startled at how quickly they’ve buckled for Trump. The policy arguments don’t hold, because he clearly doesn’t give a shit about Republican policy priorities. The tribal arguments don’t hold, because he hasn’t shown any loyalty to their tribe. It can’t even be said that they’re reluctantly getting on the winning team, because he is overwhelmingly likely to lose in November. And yet it seems pretty clear that the same 45% – 48% floor of the national electorate will vote for him, and the leadership is either actively or passively acquiescing. (Say what you will about Romney’s chances if he had been the Kristol Kandidate instead of whatsisname, it would have been a valiant stand for what he thought was right.)

    What I said on Twitter was that I used to be angry with the GOP for their goals and methods, and I still am, but now I’m embarrassed for them too. Campos is right that being a Republican is no longer respectable. Being a Republican now puts you, as Philip Marlowe once said in a different context, outside the class of person I will shake hands with.

    • Funkhauser

      For the elites, it’s the probability of access to greater political power. For the non-elites, it’s the probability of being on the right, winning, side and not having to say “not my president!” for four more years.

      Principles about who’s at the head of the ticket matter less when you’re salivating at stocking the NLRB and DO(many) with your ideological brethren.

      • postmodulator

        But they’re not going to get to do any of that, and the non-elites could stay home, disgusted by the process, and still say “not my president!” for the next four years.

        It’s actually another example of just how beyond the pale the GOP has gotten. The conventional wisdom is that Trump can’t win without a terrorist attack on US soil or an economic collapse or something, right? So the elites who are backing him to get that extra vote on the NLRB are in some sense hoping that a disaster will hurt the country pretty badly.

        • It’s actually another example of just how beyond the pale the GOP has gotten.

          Wait, wait, I thought it was the rest of the country getting beyond pale?

      • CP

        For the elites, it’s the probability of access to greater political power.

        Bingo.

        For most of the “establishment” people, the reason they’re “establishment” in the first place is that they go where the power is. Right now, Trump is where the power is.

    • Just_Dropping_By

      It would seem that the tribal arguments still hold because regardless of whether Trump is a “good” champion for the tribe, Clinton is a member of the enemy tribe and must therefore be opposed. This is a toxic product of the institutionalized two-party system and its media enablers — the vast majority of American electorate is literally mentally incapable of imagining voting for a non-Republican/Democratic candidate.

      • postmodulator

        The rationalizations are getting really thin. My stepmother tried to convince me over drinks last week that a vote for HRC was a vote for a woman who “doesn’t care who her husband screws.” Defend marital fidelity: vote Trump.

        • so-in-so

          Yeah, the guy who not only THINKS about nailing his own daughter, but publicly expresses it is a GREAT role model!

        • Not that it should really have any reflection on her suitability for the Presidency, but by all accounts this is wrong, anyway. She was reported to be very angry with him in private. There was a time when it was considered admirable for public figures not to air their interpersonal disputes in public.

          From reading Rebecca Traister’s recent profile of Hillary, though, it sounds like the Clintons get along well these days. And the idea that theirs was always a marriage of convenience or power or whatever the hell else has always been patently false.

          • Karen24

            That one always bugged me. Bill Clinton would have had a much easier time in life by dumping Hillary and marrying a generic University of Arkansas sorority twit. Hundreds of new ones are minted each year. Hillary, with her glasses and career and refusal to change her name or completely drop the Rodham was a large liability in 80’s politics. If they had a marriage of convenience, he would have dumped her once things became inconvenient.

            • If they had a marriage of convenience, he would have dumped her once things became inconvenient.

              Not if she knew where the bodies are buried!

              • N__B

                How many times do I have to say it: quicklime!

      • It’s not just that Clinton is “a member of the enemy tribe.” It’s Clinton herself. The Conservative Entertainment Complex has been demonizing her for a solid 25 years. I would wager that a plurality, if not a majority, of the republicans who voted against Trump in the primaries but are coalescing behind him now are doing it precisely because of who he is running against. They hate her.

        • Karen24

          For the RW crazies it is always 1969 and Hillary Clinton is the original bra burner.

    • so-in-so

      What Trump shows is that it never SHOULD have been respectable, he just says out loud what the was hinted at before (and his policies, such as they are at any given moment, are basically bog-standard Republicanism).

    • xq

      The policy argument does hold. Trump would sign most or all of what a Republican congress would give him. Also the Supreme Court. It’s entirely rational for someone with mainstream Republican policy views to support Trump and help him win, just like pretty much any Democrat would be superior to any Republican for the vast majority of Democrats and Democrat-leaners.

      • ColBatGuano

        Yep. They are calculating that Trump will be perfectly happy handing over the day-to-day details of being President, like cabinet posts and judicial appointments, to some bog standard Republican idealogue who will implement their desires away from the spotlight.

        • creature

          I envision a Trump administration being similar to the Dubya administration- he gets to be Preznit, and some Republican ratfuckers get to work the ‘levers of power’. Only worse. Like, ‘oh g-d, oh g-d, we’re going to die!’ sort of worse.

          I’m still not convinced Trump’s campaign is anything more that a piece of guerrilla theatre.

    • CP

      I wouldn’t say I had formed a high opinion of the Republican party, over the years, but I am startled at how quickly they’ve buckled for Trump.

      I was more startled by how much resistance to him there was in the primary. The number of them who’re now buckling and signing up for Trump is more like a return to what I expect from them.

      • Pseudonym

        The resistance to him in the primary was the result of him not owing anyone anything. He wasn’t a part of the conservative movement, he merely embodied its principles.

    • Redacre

      Why would you feel embarrassed for them? They’ve stoked the fires of racism for generations and one of them finally figured out that jumping in the fire is even more effective.

    • Matt McIrvin

      The policy arguments hold as long as he can hold a pen and sign things. If he doesn’t give a shit, it’s all the more likely that the Republican Congressional majority can get him to sign any legislation they want.

    • twbb

      He’s punching the right hippies. That’s what they like.

  • Mike in DC

    Incidentally, trying to get rank and file Republicans, voters or politicians, to admit that the party has a race problem is like trying to nail jello to a wall. You will encounter denial, deflection, rationalization, sophistry and evasion.

    • postmodulator

      The one victory that’s been won over racism is that you just can’t be upfront about it any more. Even Trump has to put the “which is great” fig leaf on it.

    • Joe Bob the III

      As it usually goes with Republicans, calling someone a racist is worse than actually being one.

      • D.N. Nation

        Wingnuts couldn’t even hit the gimme layup against white supremacists after the Dylann Roof shooting. When all they had to say was “white supremacists and the neo-Nazi and white hood stuff is bad and I don’t agree with it,” they couldn’t help but homina homina well he was just a frustrated kid homina homina and who could blame him with Obama and Sharpton homina homina

    • Redacre

      Indeed. I have a friend who’s a Buchananite and the most fun part has been watching him squirm when asked what exactly he finds so offensive about Trump. Clearly it’s not the racism if you’re someone who backed Buchanan.

    • DrS

      Yes. And this is why arguments about civil discourse, about not ‘dropping to their level’ can be frustrating. These people aren’t convincible. They should be fought.

    • cs

      trying to get rank and file Republicans, voters or politicians, to admit that the party has a race problem is like trying to nail jello to a wall. You will encounter denial, deflection, rationalization, sophistry and evasion.

      I can see the other four, but how does nailing jello to a wall involve sophistry?

    • Matt McIrvin

      Trying to get white Democrats to admit that the country has a race problem is hard enough.

  • I often wonder if, in the future, 2016 will be remembered as the year that the modern Republican party threw up its hands en masse and said “you know what, fuck it, fine. We are the party of bigotry in America. Deal with it.”

    • Sounds like you’re one of the REAL racists here!

    • postmodulator

      Back when the Trump campaign was still amusing, my stock line was “Hey, there are a lot of assholes in this country. Why shouldn’t they have a voice too?”

      • N__B

        I don’t want to be around when the assholes are clearing their throats.

  • Karen24

    Y’all might find this mango Relevant to the discussion. Warning for those who lack my fascination with garbage, that link goes to a Steve Sailer column in Takimag. Those who can read it should do so to see just how much the overt racists have embraced Trump, but anyone else should avoid.

    • postmodulator

      This neoreactionary thing is gonna get worse before it gets better. I’m buying a gun.

      • Karen24

        I’m afraid you’re right. I still think it’s important to address these kinds of idiot arguments, where the argument is coherent enough so that an answer is possible, so that they don’t leech into the groundwater of more mainstream discourse. Where logic fails, vicious ridicule is appropriate.

      • Snarki, child of Loki

        “I’m buying a gun.”

        I recommend taking it to the next level, and buying a flamethrower.

        • dsidhe

          I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

          • Karen24

            I propose biowarfare. Give all their writers a disease that produces oozing and burning sores on the face, feet, and groin but that isn’t quickly fatal. Make them live for years disfigured and unable to walk, pee, poop, or have sex, pushed in wheelchairs by black and Hispanic nurses.

            • so-in-so

              Why do you hate the nurses so?

              • Karen24

                Okay, white nurses with dreadlocks and who use weaponized patchouli oil because soap is, like, so fucking inauthentic, man. And who constantly talk about new bands that you’ve probably never heard of.

                • so-in-so

                  Fine, as long as they volunteer and get extra-duty pay.

            • Snarki, child of Loki

              ‘I propose biowarfare.’

              If it’s a virus that liquefies the brain, it’s already out there. Foxnewsitus is a terribly debilitating disease.

              • creature

                Waterheads, waterheads, everywhere, and nary a thought to think!

        • Excellent idea:

          Shockingly, there are no current federal regulations on the possession, manufacture, sale, or use of flamethrowers.

          “These devices are not regulated as they do not qualify as firearms under the National Firearms Act,” Corey Ray, a spokesman with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, told Ars by e-mail.

          At the state level, California requires a permit while Maryland outright bans them—Ars is not aware of any other state-level regulation. The Inhumane Weapons Convention, which the United States signed in 1981, forbids “incendiary weapons,” including flamethrowers. However, this document is only an agreement between nation-states and their militaries, and it did not foresee individual possession.

          Maybe we can get a deal if we buy in quantity.

          • DrS

            A permit?!?!?! Those jackbooted California libtards.

          • RobertL

            Flamethrowers aren’t “firearms”? WTF!?!?

            Surely they are the most “fire-armish” of all?

  • Joe_JP

    It’s not like I respected the party much already, but the endorsement of Trump really sealed the deal. Sometimes, life provides you a moment of truth. A choice has to be made to show if you have any shame. Republicans as a whole are failing the test big time by endorsing Trump.

    Quite true, he is just the party without the veneer of respectability. But, that veneer matters to some degree. I realize a large part of the electorate won’t care. They will still vote for the guy, since you know only have two options, right?

  • delazeur

    I am frankly disappointed to see that K is not here yet today.

    • Sly

      You shouldnt be racist against Trump just because he’s racist racism is bad my sister once got bitten by a racist møøse mynd you møøse bites Kan be pretti nasti….

      • delazeur

        Nice try, but that may have been too coherent.

        • so-in-so

          Coherent, because it is Monty Python (nice touch…).

    • so-in-so

      Now you’ve done it! You summoned him!

      Did you say the name three times in front of a mirror?

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  • Snarki, child of Loki

    Hey, if that judge had been born in California, he’d be a “Californian”; if he were born in New York, he’d be a “New Yorker”, etc. etc.

    But no, he’s something *different*: a HOOSIER

    Is that actually american? Just asking.

    • N__B

      a HOOSIER

      You mean a guy who sells socks?

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  • jimpharo

    The genius of attacking this judge as a “Mexican” is that it makes “Mexican” a slur, such that actual status as a Mexican or American with Mexican ancestors, etc., becomes besides the point. To me, it’s a classic moving of the Overton window move in that we’ll all end up saying it’s unfair to label someone as Mexican when their ancestors are from Germany or Norway, letting slide the notion that being a person from Mexico or someone with Mexican ancestors is no more remarkable than being form Norway or having Norwegian ancestors.

    Some days, it’s like we’re trying to lose…

    • Anna in PDX

      Yes! It reminds me of the “Sikhs aren’t Muslims you dumbasses” thing (if their targets were actual Muslims that would be preferable?)… It is a weird way of forcing the conversation to contain harmful premises and to refute them requires exhausting work of unpacking those premises.

  • K.

    very fuuny guy hack my post to call me a troll. i’m not a troll i can here to talk about the issues civily but all you guys do is insult me and make me look like an idiot. you are making a mistake.

    • I didn’t know Ken M. commented on LGM.

      • Origami Isopod

        What did Ken M. do to deserve that comment?!

    • rea

      make me look like an idiot

      Dude, you have us confused with God.

  • K.

    Trump shouldn’t be calling the guy mexican but you guys should stop calling the guy running for president french. it doesn’t matter if the judge is mexican or guy running for president is french racism is wrong no matter what.

  • K.

    vicery fizelboton my name isn’t ken i go to great lenghts to hide my name i don’t want the government to know what i think k is not my real name and i don’t want anyone to know who i am.

    • BiloSagdiyev

      The FBI can’t find you until you press the period key. Stay strong, brother!

      • DrS

        I think he’s added a period to his name, which must be why he can’t use them elsewhere. Fascinating.

    • tsam

      I go to great lengths to hide my name too! Are you a Navy SEAL too???

      • N__B

        Don’t you furries have a secret handshake or something?

        • Paw/flipper shake.

        • DrS

          A swatch of fleece in the back pocket.

  • ColBatGuano

    So, Trump has time to comment here?

  • so-in-so

    This is some really sustained performance art, right?

    • wjts

      I’m coming around to that opinion.

      • Thirtyish

        The amount of attention that K is paying to Jennie in this thread suggests to me one of two likely possibilities: either K is in on the joke, or Jennie is behind both nyms.

        And might we all take a moment to remember that responding directly to the trolls (particularly Jennie, who has proven willing to go to the greatest lengths of any troll here) is not only a waste of time, but actually feeds them into more of a frenzy? Thanks.

        • wjts

          I don’t think it’s Jenny here – Little Buddy is a white nationalist dingleberry who got booted from Rod Dreher’s blog (Erik disagrees on this point and may know something that I don’t). Based on the David French comments, I’m increasingly convinced that K is a put-on.

          • N__B

            I missed a memo somewhere…where does the nick “Little Buddy” come from. I have a hard time connecting hard-core racism with Gilligan’s Island.

            • wjts

              From me. According to the tenets of his own racial hierarchy, I outrank him.

              • N__B

                I outrank him.

                You Aryan superman, you.

                • wjts

                  From my buzz-cut blonde hair to my ice-blue eyes.

                  And also the rest of my fish-belly pale body.

            • so-in-so

              Hard to tell, any non-white people on the island?

              Maybe that WAS Dawn’s homeland, he’s just unhappy the show got cancelled.

              • wjts

                Hard to tell, any non-white people on the island?

                Yes.

                • so-in-so

                  Well, Dawny’s out-a-there then.

          • Thirtyish

            Erik confirmed recently that it is, in fact, Jennie.

  • New Dawn

    The making of a white minority was not some accident, some force of history that was inevitable–it was a delieberate act of ethnic cleansing . Now the Powers that Be are shitting their pants that Whites will not quietly go into that night after all–and I’m lovin it!~ Trump will be our Milosevic!

    • GFW

      The Powers that Be aren’t white? I think there’s a flaw in your reasoning.

      Also, the only ethnic cleansing that’s taken place in the US targeted non-whites, e.g. the Tulsa race riot covered here on LGM recently.

      • Redacre

        Isn’t their whole thing that the powers-that-be are self-loathing whites? Hence the whole “cuckservative” thing.

        • witlesschum

          I figure it’s just projection. The desperate white supremacist types are watching all the racially-themed cuckhold porn on xHamster and the like, but rather than just being cool with what turns their particular crank, they feel ashamed and dirty about it afterwords (but not ashamed enough to stop clicking) and they take out their tingly shame by tweeting at Bill Kristol or whoever.

    • galanx

      You mean he will tear apart his country, assemble the white folk in one area, have them get the crap bombed out of them by the rest of the Western world while they sink into poverty, and then die in a cell in the Hague while waiting for a trial as a war criminal?

  • New Dawn

    There was a BLM protest recently where the Whites responded with TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP, the sheer look of terror on the thug’s faces was fucking priceless. They know in their gut YT is finally fighting back. And when we fight back, it isn’t pretty

    • DrS

      Hahaha…you simple ass racists are all the same, a bunch of pants pissing cowards.

      • New Dawn

        There is much talk about “the talk.”

        “Sean O’Reilly was 16 when his mother gave him the talk that most black parents give their teenage sons,” Denisa R. Superville of the Hackensack (NJ) Record tells us. Meanwhile, down in Atlanta: “Her sons were 12 and 8 when Marlyn Tillman realized it was time for her to have the talk,” Gracie Bonds Staples writes in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

        Leonard Greene talks about the talk in the New York Post. Someone bylined as KJ Dell’Antonia talks about the talk in The New York Times. Darryl Owens talks about the talk in the Orlando Sentinel.

        Yes, talk about the talk is all over.

        There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too. My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk, it would look something like the following.

        * * * * * * * * * * * * *

        (1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline, thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to nonblacks.

        d(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations, with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent of the African American population is more than half European in ancestry.” (Same link.)

        (3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian, but blacks will take you to be white.

        (4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, however—e.g., paragraph (10h) below—this default principle should be overridden by considerations of personal safety.

        (5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost any human type. Only at the far, far extremes of certain traits are there absences. There are, for example, no black Fields Medal winners. While this is civilizationally consequential, it will not likely ever be important to you personally. Most people live and die without ever meeting (or wishing to meet) a Fields Medal winner.

        (6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your encounters are random—for example, not restricted only to black convicted murderers or to black investment bankers—the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means—the averages—of many traits are very different for black and white Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the human sciences.

        (7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political corruption, and criminal convictions.

        (8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.

        (9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

        (10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:

        (10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

        (10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

        (10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

        (10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

        (10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

        (10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

        (10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

        (10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

        (10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

        (11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

        (12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be less intelligent than the white. In such encounters, therefore—for example, at a government office—you will, on average, be dealt with more competently by a white than by a black. If that hostility-based magnifying effect (paragraph 8) is also in play, you will be dealt with more politely, too. “The DMV lady“ is a statistical truth, not a myth.

        (13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.

        (14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in positions at the interface with the general public—corporate sales reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies, etc.—with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.

        (15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).

        d

        • In my experience, I have found the conservative race to be intellectually inferior, morally lacking and more prone to antisocial behavior than a control group of normal people. They have difficulty constructing even basic logical arguments let alone the ability to win a Fields Medal; they fetishsize torture and war and are indifferent to the suffering of any not of their tribe; and they lie, bully and pout if they don’t get their way.

          • New Dawn

            Would you rather send your white fourteen year old daughter to a conservative Christian private school or a 100% black inner-city public school? Not that you’ll even try to answer that one honestly, hypocricy is necessary to be a race liberal. Not even the most left wing “equal rights” dipshits wants to send their kid to school with Tray’von and Kanika.

            • I would send her to the majority black school so long as it was academically rigorous and taught her how to think critically. This would rule out the conservative Christian school because conservative Christians are genetically incapable of critical thinking which is why they tend to be anti-science authoritarian followers. I also wouldn’t want my good white progressive daughter to miscegenate with those people.

            • J. Otto Pohl

              Where I live all the Christian conservative schools are run by Blacks.

              • MyNameIsZweig

                But you see, those are the good kind of blacks, Otto – you can tell because they stayed in Africa.

                • J. Otto Pohl

                  They tell me that not all Africans are good. Ghanaians are good but they say a lot of Nigerians can’t be trusted.

              • I’m not sending my imaginary daughter to Ghana J. Otto so don’t even bother offering her a place to stay. My imaginary daughter is quite attractive and I don’t trust you.

          • N__B

            Mrs Fields’s cookies are way too chewy to deserve a medal.

            • Dennis Orphen

              The chewiness is the only way to tell the difference between the cookies and the medals. Not like Thelma’s cooking, where you can’t tell the difference at all.

        • MyNameIsZweig

          (10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

          Interesting. When I used to live in Florida, I would regularly bike through south St. Petersburg, which is heavily African-American and one of the lower-income areas of the region. I never felt threatened or in danger there at all – partially, I’m sure, because I’m just kind of a vaguely-threatening-looking person in my own right, but also because I suspect that the residents there know the last thing they want is for something bad to happen to a white man in their neighborhood.

          Which is my way of saying you are full of shit, obviously.

        • Hogan

          You get your racial tips from a guy with a Chinese wife?

          • J. Otto Pohl

            Maybe it is like on that old commercial and she knows “ancient Chinese secrets.”

        • Gareth

          I’ve seen this before, and I think it’s mostly valid if you replace “black” with “thug”, and recognise that most thugs aren’t black.

          • J. Otto Pohl

            The word “thug” is one with suspect racial origins being as it derives from South Asian “tribal” groups opposed by the British colonial authorities in the 19th Century as being criminal by their nature. This resulted in the 1871 Criminal Tribes Act which as the name implies denoted certain “tribes” as inherently criminal. Yes, historically the thugs were all Asian not Black, but it is still a racially weighted term.

      • DrS

        Lord, I had forgotten that pants-pissing, cowardly fascists are often wordy.

        • so-in-so

          Only when they can copy-paste.

        • CP

          Hitler wrote an entire book, dude.

          And with those interminable German words, too.

          • Karen24

            A good friend of mine has a PhD in German, and one of her graduate school classes was on Nazi-era documents, because as the guy who taught it said, “WWII books are their own industry. You can make a decent living translating this crap for a publishing house.” Her verdict on “Mein Kampf” was “the grammar is mostly correct. Mostly.”

            • CP

              Loooool. I remember picking up the English translation and flipping through it and going “this is just terribly written. Before you even get to the ideas expressed therein.”

              I hear he wrote a second book, too, but I’ve never even glanced at that one.

  • so-in-so

    Nice choice – Trump will die in the Hague, eh? After his country is destroyed and he earns the condemnation of the world?

    • New Dawn

      The Serbs do have their own ethnonationaist country now instead of being forced to live in some multi-kulti blob.

      What Whites want is to be left alone in their own homeland.

      • so-in-so

        I hear Staten Island is nice.

      • jim, some guy in iowa

        the homeland we probably deserve is in the neighborhood of the North Pole

        • Thirtyish

          I was thinking more of the far-southern Indian Ocean.

    • China will be the lone superpower after Trump intentionally defaults on out debt and crashes the American, Japanese and European economies.

  • K.

    new dawn it doesn’t what race people are as long as they are good people. most people of all races are fine i don’t care what race someone is that’s not a problem the problem is when government favors one group of people over another. like 50 years ago the government was racist against blacks and that was wrong now the government is racist against whites and that’s also wrong people should be treated equally.

  • New Dawn

    Get ready for some real MACRO aggressions and REAL white supremacy under President Trump. You’re going to get what’s coming to you, just like the carpet-baggers and Radical Republicans after Reconstruction!

    • I am the Super Classy Donald Trump
      My lies smile and never stump
      Soon I will be President

      Obama power will soon go away
      I will be fuhrer one day
      I will command all of you
      Your kids will pledge to me in school
      Your kids will pledge to me in school

      Donald Trump Uber Alles
      Donald Trump Uber Alles
      Uber Alles Donald Trump
      Uber Alles Donald Trump

      With my 100% natural combover weave
      I will tweet for the master race
      And always wear the happy face

      Close your eyes, can’t happen here
      Donny Bro’ on the white horse is near
      The Dixiecrats won’t come back, you say
      Follow me or you will pay
      Follow me or you will pay

      Donald Trump Uber Alles
      Donald Trump Uber Alles
      Uber Alles Donald Trump
      Uber Alles Donald Trump

      Now it is like 1984
      Knock, knock at your front door
      It’s the orange combover secret police
      They have come for your Bernie-Bro niece

      Come quietly to the camp
      You’d look nice as a Mexican lamp
      Don’t you worry, it’s only a shower
      For your clothes, here’s a pretty dollar

      With Trump Industries brand poison gas
      The serpent’s egg is already hatched
      You will croak, you little chump
      When you mess with President Trump
      Don’t you mess with President Trump

      Donald Trump Uber Alles
      Donald Trump Uber Alles
      Uber Alles Donald Trump
      Uber Alles Donald Trump
      http://gocart-mozart.blogspot.com/2016/05/donald-trump-uber-alles.html

      • tsam

        That song always has a current target. It’s depressing.

  • K.

    new dawn it doesn’t what race people are as long as they are good people. most people of all races are fine i don’t care what race someone is that’s not a problem the problem is when government favors one group of people over another. like 50 years ago the government was racist against blacks and that was wrong now the government is racist against whites and that’s also wrong people should be treated equally. racism is bad no matter what.

  • New Dawn

    The first people to be held accountable after the Revolution will be those that deliberately and intentionally planned the displacement of the Historic Majority of the United States, who planned to condemn our future children and grandchildren to live in Zimbabwe or Brazil. You will be held to account and get your just deserts, good and fucking hard.

    • GFW

      The first people to be held accountable after the Revolution will be those that deliberately and intentionally planned the displacement of the Historic Majority of the United States

      I dunno, it’s going to be pretty hard to hold those long-dead accountable for displacing the Native Americans. I guess taking Andrew Jackson off the twenty is a start.

      • New Dawn

        I said historic majority of the UNITED STATES, not Cherokee or Sioux Nation. The USA is a creation of the White Man, for White Men. Native Americans had nothing to do with the United States as a polity, they were Iroqious, or Powhatan, or whatever, not Americans.

        • New Dawn

          Even the term “Native America” is incorrect, they’re Amerinds. Hell just call them Redskins for all I fucking care for them.

    • wjts

      Little Buddy, you couldn’t win a race war against a sleepy hamster.

      • New Dawn

        Oh look its the site’s resident white Cuckold.

      • New Dawn

        Looking for a few sheckels, or just a pat on the head for being a good little shabbot goy?

        • wjts

          Nope. Pointing and laughing at inadequate man-children and their hypersexualized anxieties is its own reward.

  • New Dawn

    Let me ask y’all a question:

    Are you ready for some RACISM?

    And I mean the real kind, not bullshit “racism”. Good, old fashioned, 100% White Supremacy distilled and deep fried.

    • JR in WV

      Mostly as found in prison, work camps, biker gangs, etc. No morality or ethics, just bitter hate based upon social inferiority.

      The same folks who helped Timmy McVeigh blow up a building with a day care center in it. Your kin, New Dawn?

  • so-in-so

    Speaking of Entrepreneurial Racism, I wonder how much trolls get paid per post?

  • K.

    new dawn stop being racist most blacks are nice people. the problem isn’t blacks the problem is the democrat party wants to take peoples guns away. people shouldn’t be racist against each either white people against blacks are blacks against whites or chinamen against mexicans it’s all the same.

  • K.

    what wrong with you you shouldn’t hate people because of their race it is wrong.

  • Thirtyish

    There’s an interesting seasonal component to the trolling we see here. For the past three years (perhaps even earlier, that’s just as long as I’ve been commenting/lurking), the volume of trolling (and trolling attempts) increases substantially in the late spring/summer months. Make of that what you will, but I find it interesting regardless.

    • so-in-so

      Middle School gets out?

      • sparks

        They write this badly in middle school now?

        • so-in-so

          Don’t know, but someone who was substitute teacher in a local one described it as “like prison, but without all the tattoos”.

          • New Dawn

            No doubt a local ‘Groid or school full of Illegals.

            • sparks

              Keep your eye on the ball, New Order! Them illegals larn they’re English good to issimulate better.

              I’ll be riding the tide of brown to a new, better tomorrow!

              • New Dawn

                Where there are Africans, there you will find Africa. Where there are Mexicans , there you will find Mexico. Keep that in mind while thinking of your multi-kulti utopia fantasy. It won’t look like the reality. Ever been to Zimbabwe or Venezuela?

                • J. Otto Pohl

                  In theory maybe. But, the AU just denied Haiti’s application to join. However, I am holding out that Portugal will rejoin us. I think they will do better in the future Afrovision Song contest than they have recently in Eurovision.

                • wjts

                  However, I am holding out that Portugal will rejoin us. I think they will do better in the future Afrovision Song contest than they have recently in Eurovision.

                  It might make their World Cup qualifying campaign a little easier, too.

                • galanx

                  Peter Tosh did it better.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxm1cU5Ewbw

                  Where there are Europeans you will find Europe: Sweden, France, Norway, Demark, Britain.

      • Thirtyish

        I was leaning more toward the heat-aggression correlation, but your guess is just as good.

    • NonyNony

      Its kids who are out of school and bored. The reason why a lot of our trolls write sentences that an 9th grader should be embarrassed about is because they’re 8th graders whose parents have left them home alone for the summer while they’re off at work.

    • DrS

      I blame teacher’s unions.

    • wjts

      I think you might be right.

  • sparks

    Mods, cleanup in aisle 9! Some shitstain name New Order or something needs the mop.

    • Thirtyish

      Why malign an awesome band by linking it to Jennie?

      • wjts

        New Order wasn’t that good.

        • sparks

          I hope this doesn’t turn into a debate about the racism and fascism that hovered around the ’70s punk scene.

          • wjts

            I hope it turns into a Joy Division/New Order flamewar.

            • Dennis Orphen

              Losers hang themselves?

              • wjts

                Too soon, man. Too soon.

      • Sly

        Or shitstains?

  • K.

    new dawn you seem to have a real problem with black people. if blacks have been racist to you that is wrong it is also wrong to be racist against black people. it’s like some jews rip people off but thats not a reason to be racist against jews sam thing with mexicans. the problem nowadays is that the govenment favors blacks and that needs to stop but white people still shouldn’t be racist against blacks.

  • New Dawn

    The most powerful force in the world is a strong, United White America–which is why the Tribe and its enablers want to divide us and make us ashamed to be White.

    • Mike in DC

      And with the anti-semitism spot covered, I have now won Stormfront Bingo.

      • J. Otto Pohl

        I didn’t see you get the anti-Chinese spot.

    • Dennis Orphen

      You’re doing a fine job TRYING to divide us and making us ashamed to be white without any help from anyone.

  • libarbarian

    The TrumpTrash have arrived I see.

  • K.

    new dawn what do you have against indians. indians arent the problem the indians were here before whites you should treat them good they are almost never racist against whites.

  • D.N. Nation

    It would appear lil’ Hunter, Aidyn, and Caidyn are off from middle school for the summer.

    • Thirtyish

      Names that awful are themselves a form of trolling.

      • N__B

        Mini__B’s kindergarten classmates include Tennyson and Scout.

        • New Dawn

          What’s the racial makeup of your kid’s kindergarten? Bet its at least 80% white+asian with only a small smattering of blacks.

        • DrS

          I was sure on first scan that was “Stout”.

          Now, a child named “IPA”, I could see that.

          • Dennis Orphen

            Gives a whole new meaning to Hop on Pop.

        • Karen24

          My younger son has classmates Thor, Willow, Atticus, and Austin Travis (we live in Austin, Travis County, Texas, which is what makes that name so adorable.)

          • N__B

            Mini__B’s class has a Thor, too.

            I should probably mention that Mini__B’s name, in honor of his maternal family, is Russian, but it’s the Russian analogue of a common English name.

            • Vance Maverick

              Nigelych? Athelstansky?

              • wjts

                Whatever happened to normal white names like Amwedd or Llwelyn?

                • Dennis Orphen

                  In Wales…..just doesn’t have the same ring as In Soviet Russia….

            • Dennis Orphen

              I wonder if anyone has named their male child Don Blake ^surname^?

  • Shantanu Saha

    What is “white?” In the 18th Century, it was being White, Anglo-Saxon, and Protestant (the dreaded WASP acronym). Germans and Scandinavians were “dark” and “swarthy,” and Irish Catholics were lower than dogs. They were admitted into the “White” pantheon as America was being inundated with a wave of southern (mostly Italian) and eastern European immigration, much of which had to be restricted lest it overwhelm the “white” populations of eastern cities. After a few decades in purgatory, they were added to the “ethnic white” population as new waves of immigration, this time from east and south Asia and Latin America, began coming to the US.

    My family came to the US when I was two years old from Bangladesh, and though I have a “foreign” name, to 99% of listeners I speak with no discernable accent whatsoever (having cultivated a neutral General American intonations from early age, with any bias toward New York native), but still get the “where are you from?” question from many “white” people.

    I predict my son’s children will be able to pass as “white” when they grow up.

    • Hogan

      I predict my son’s children will be able to pass as “white” when they grow up.

      I hope that by then “white” won’t be something people think they have to pass for.

  • Dennis Orphen

    As far as I’m concerned, everyone living south of Evanston is a Mexican.

    • wjts

      Just like everyone north of Roosevelt is a yuppie douchebag.

      • Dennis Orphen

        It’s good to know that yuppies are as hygienic in the parts we can’t see as the parts we can.

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