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[ 98 ] August 1, 2012 | Scott Lemieux

Shorter Verbatim Crazy Stanley Kurtz: “President Obama is not a fan of America’s suburbs. Indeed, he intends to abolish them.”

His “evidence” for this is…Christ, you don’t want to know.

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  1. Kurtz’ piece is perfect Wing Nut Theory. Peak Wing Nut. No proof, little fact but tons of right wing paranoia. How can you argue with such perfect non-logic? It’s brilliant.

    • Walt says:

      Every prediction of Peak Wing Nut has been quickly falsified. Every one. Learn from history, my man. The indominable human will to surpass every limitation guarantees that humanity will not see Peak Wing Nut until everyone now alive is dead.

      • R Johnston says:

        That depends on what you mean by “peak.” Wingnuts have already reached 100% certifiable delusion, completely disconnected from reality. They can’t possibly get any crazier. They can, however, continue to get more tribal and violent.

        What can be safely said is that we’ve passed the Wingnut Event Horizon, where it’s no longer economically feasible in their own minds for wingnuts to produce anything that isn’t 100% delusional hooey.

        • Craigo says:

          I think John Cole, the originator, defined it as the point in time after which wingnuttery begins to decline, either in quantity or intensity, or both.

          • Incontinentia Buttocks says:

            As long as the “left” can be nudged still further to the right via the operation of wingnuttery, wingnuttery will never peak.

            • Holden Pattern says:

              This. Wingtards are the corporatists’ stalking horses.

              • Jim Lynch says:

                I do believe the national GOP is Californicating its way to the political margins. However, I also think the party realizes that, too, which makes it far more dangerous, more inclined to strike while the iron is hot, consequences be damned. Constitutional upheaval means nothing to those people, and they will surely make hay while the sun shines. Just look at the havoc they wreaked from 2001-2008.

                • Holden Pattern says:

                  Yes, and in California, they have managed to completely destroy the state despite not having had a majority in either house of the legislature for not more than 6 years in total since 1959, I think, thanks to Proposition 13 and its progeny.

                  The Republicans are masters of the structural lock-in. Which is pretty much why the “Democratic demographic destiny” pollyannas should be ignored.

                • Holden Pattern says:

                  [Sigh]

                  … not having had a majority in either house of the legislature for not more than 6 years in total…

                  My kingdom for an edit feature.

                • Heron says:

                  Which is exactly why they’re trying to re-establish the political aspects of Jim Crow, save targeted against Democratic voters and spread beyond the geographic boundaries of the confederacy.

                • firefall says:

                  Hikdn …. how big is it? are we talking Belgium, or The Kingdom From That Stone Over To The Big Oak Tree?

      • TT says:

        Maybe another way to think about it is Theory of Wingnut Relativity, or Quantum Wingnut Mechanics. Personally, I’m looking forward to the moment when Kurtz connects Obama’s drive to eliminate the suburbs with his drive to force all conservatives into arranged same-sex marriages and to pay 100% marginal tax rates. Only then will we see the Grand Unified Wingnut Theory come to fruition. Maybe.

  2. ploeg says:

    Traditionally, Alinskyite community organizers mobilize leftist church groups. Kruglik’s group goes a step further by organizing not only the religious left but politicians from relatively less-well-off inner-ring suburbs. The goal is to build coalitions between urban and inner-ring suburban state legislators, in a bid to force regional tax-base sharing on middle-class suburbanites.

    The fiends!

    • It reads like a hastily written retirement home newsletter:

      “One approach is to force suburban residents into densely packed cities by blocking development on the outskirts of metropolitan areas, and by discouraging driving with a blizzard of taxes, fees, and regulations. Step two is to move the poor out of cities by imposing low-income-housing quotas on development in middle-class suburbs.”

      From “One approach” to “Step two”, huh? He can’t even remember what he started counting at the beginning of a paragraph.

      • Scott Lemieux says:

        Also, the second one would seem to expand the suburbs. Unless by definition the suburbs mean places where only affluent white people live. Wait, that is what Kurtz means!

      • Mike McCarthy says:

        Kurtz writes ” Beginning in the mid-1990s, Obama’s mentors at the Gamaliel Foundation (a community-organizing network Obama helped found) formally dedicated their efforts to the budding fight against suburban “sprawl.”

        Wait! Is the Gamaliel Foundation made of of his mentors or did Obama help found it? I mean, those two things don’t usually go together.

        It is really hard to read garbage like this because there are no logical connections between consecutive sentences much less paragraphs.

        I also want to point out “What a great way to prevent middle and low income Americans from purchasing their own homes. If President Obama has his way, only the wealthy will be home owners. ” in the comments. Again, wait! I thought the Democrats started the housing crisis by forcing banks to lend to the poor? At least that what my rightwing relatives have been saying since 2009.

        The whole thing is like reading about how non Soviet Communist parties would change their doctrine whenever told to by the Comintern.

        • louiseinlove says:

          I’m sure the actual founders of the Gamaliel Foundation would be surprised to know they were Obama’s spawn. It’s well known in Chicago organizing circles that he was a lame-ass orgnizer, was shunted off into get out the vote activities, but in a nice, kind way, because alienating a smart young black man with lots of ambition and the means to achieve isn’t good strategy.

    • ploeg says:

      I mean, building a coalition of political subdivisions to better the standing and bargaining position of said political subdivisions is beyond the pale, and is probably unconstitutional. Imagine the furor if, for example, outlying suburbs banded together to make it vastly easier to zip in and out of the city and take advantage of the city’s employment and cultural opportunities without the residents of said suburbs having to pay the taxes to support the city.

      • mark f says:

        building a coalition of political subdivisions to better the standing and bargaining position of said political subdivisions is beyond the pale, and is probably unconstitutional.

        Technically!

      • Downpuppy says:

        Further evidence! Obama’s friends from Cambridge still celebrate their victory from 40 years ago, when they prevented a highway from going through.

        Of bloody course there are regional issues, and you don’t have to be Jim Kunstler to recognize the downside of sprawl. But somehow even considering development policy is heresy against the Holy Invisible Hand.

        Jeebus, there’s a hole in the national head.

      • Timb says:

        Bunch of parasites in my view….

      • DrDick says:

        Only if the inhabitants of those subdivisions include substantial numbers of persons or dusky hues. Perfectly right and proper for lily-white political subdivisions.

    • mds says:

      The goal is to build coalitions between urban and inner-ring suburban state legislators, in a bid to force regional tax-base sharing on middle-class suburbanites.

      Oooh, “inner-ring suburban” is a nice hedge. No middle-class (white) suburbanites in the inner-ring suburbs, nosiree. Otherwise, the counterexamples of suburbanites getting shafted by exurbanites would be too easy to come by.

      Meanwhile, in the portion of upstate NY with which I am familiar, certain wealthy “outer-ring” suburbs don’t even have their own police, because they can simply sponge off the county sheriff’s office, aka “indulge in regional tax-base sharing.” See also other emergency services, snowplowing, etc, etc, etc. But hey, if that’s a bad thing, the city and inner-ring suburbs can simply keep all their county tax money … Yeah, that’s what I thought.

      • Scott Lemieux says:

        Opening my property tax bills from the City of Albany briefly makes me understand what it feels like to be a Republican. Then I remember why they’re so high, and it passes quickly.

      • JoyfulA says:

        In Pennsylvania, many suburbs mooch off the state police and complain about slow service. Every so often, someone starts yelling they should pay their fair share, but nothing much has happened yet.

      • DrDick says:

        I would point them to Oak Park and Skokie, Illinois.

    • Anonymous says:

      The best approach to community organising, of course, is to just get every down to Chick-Fil-A.

  3. Malaclypse says:

    The community organizers who trained him in the mid-1980s blamed the plight of cities on taxpayer “flight” to suburbia.

    Once you equate taxpayers with white people as openly as this, can it still be called a dog whistle?

  4. Hogan says:

    I’ve never seen anyone trying harder to look like Steven Colbert.

  5. david mizner says:

    Give Stanley a break. It’s not easy to come up with new ways to be racist.

  6. Cody says:

    While I hope this is true, he has a very positive view of Obama’s political ambition. I don’t see him being able to push through a huge social movement on a whim like this.

    Also, he forgot to mention Obama is coming for our guns. How did he leave that out!?

  7. mark f says:

    Because what wingnuts really needed was another codeword signifying nothing but their own bizarre paranoia.

    The comments are a hoot.

    • Jonas says:

      Yeah, the comments read just like the column itself. My favorite comment so far:

      I believe O isn’t trying to help anyone since he doesn’t actually care. Everything he does is a redistributive power grab.

      Obama is so bad that the redistribution of wealth isn’t actually going to happen. Or something.

  8. Malaclypse says:

    Wait, does this mean that Rush is no longer one of the great conservative bands of all time? Has Rand Paul been notified?

    • Scott Lemieux says:

      Conform or be cast out, Mal.

      • Malaclypse says:

        Okay, “Subdivisions” bad, “The Trees” good, “By-Tor and the Snow Dog” is, well, shit, my aesthetic stalinism is not refined enough to know what to make of By-Tor. Can some Comrade help a brother out?

        • Hogan says:

          So are you choosing free will?

          • Malaclypse says:

            I believe technically I chose not to decide, which I have on good authority means I still have made a choice.

            “Working Man,” clearly bad. “Red Barchetta” – dude, that so fucking rocks. “2112″ is too stoner to be genuinely conservative. “Witch Hunt” is just plain mean to good folks who love the Bible, so bad. In the end, I think it is clear that “Cygnus X-1 Book II” is what tips the balance.

            • Okay, but if someone’s mind was for rent, would that make you more or less likely to put him down as arrogant?

              Show your work.

              • Malaclypse says:

                Dear God, not after reading the titles of the various parts of “By-Tor.” You can’t make me.

                And God forgive me, I’m certain I owned Fly By Night as a teenager. What the hell was I thinking? I mean, I know I did a lot of drugs back then (cheap and plentiful in Reagan’s America!) but damn.

        • Furious Jorge says:

          Jesus, now that I think about it, “Subdivisions” might be the only Rush song I’ve ever actually liked.

        • NonyNony says:

          “By-Tor and the Snow Dog” is, well, shit, my aesthetic stalinism is not refined enough to know what to make of By-Tor.

          I’m fairly certain that “By-Tor and the Snow Dog” is the result of Geddy Lee constantly telling Neal Peart that he had no interest in playing D&D on the tour bus. I’ll bet that By-Tor was a type VI demon or something originally.

          • Malaclypse says:

            From (and the fact that this even exists is proof our culture is degraded) the Rusk wiki:

            The song, “By-Tor and the Snow Dog” is the fourth song on Rush’s second album, “Fly by Night.” It is their first multi-part song. “Rush’s road manager Howard Ungerleider came up with the title at a party. There were two dogs at the party, one a German shepherd and the other a tiny white nervous dog. Howard used to call the shepherd By-Tor because anyone that walked into the house was bitten. The other dog was a snow-dog (white). So from that night on Howard called the pair of dogs ‘By-Tor and the Snow Dog.’”

            Dear Cthulhu below, that song runs 8 and a half minutes long? What the hell is wrong with those people? Once you are in as far as “Part 3: Of the Battle iv: Hymn of Triumph” can you possibly still think this is not silly?

            • firefall says:

              The primary ability of being a singer in a metal band is to keep a straight face when reciting the lyrics (Frey knows its not singing)

          • mds says:

            I’ll bet that By-Tor was a type VI demon or something originally.

            Pshaw. You’re thinking of balors, the type VI demons that started out as balrogs before TSR’s encounter with the type IX lawyers of the Tolkien estate. Balor became the name of a particular type VI who lent his name to the entire category. By-Tor was originally a German Shepard with a penchant for being a biter.. Snow-Dog was a tiny white dog of unspecified breed. Hey, would I lie to you?

            • mds says:

              … Beaten to the punch about the dogs, I see. May the tanar’ri make flutes from your bones, Malaclypse.

              • Malaclypse says:

                Those who wish to be
                Must put aside the alienation
                Get on with the fascination
                The real relation, the underlying theme

                • Mike F. says:

                  Thanks for the ear worm dickhead. That shit will loop forever now.
                  Aaaaaaaaagh! I’m ready to go full Egon if it doesn’t stop!
                  I swear those guys make The Moody Blues look unpretentious

                • Malaclypse says:

                  All earworms can be cured by listening to “She’s Lost Control” by Joy Division.

                  I’m not making that up. It will work.

  9. Abolish, in this case, means “make them socially and economically more integrated with cities.”

    Stanley Kurtz is arguing that if suburbanites cannot define themselves in terms of their separation from and opposition to their urban brethren, then they literally cease to have an identity or being at all.

    But not in a racist way or anything; he made sure.

  10. wjts says:

    I, too, am distressed by the Obama plan to forcibly remake suburbanites into a slave labor force for our cities’ collective farms.

  11. Mistah Kurtz is almost as outraged by the desire of “urbanites” to stick their hand into the pockets of suburbanites, as he by their refusal to convert large amounts of their tax-paying land area to highways for suburbanites.

  12. Step two is to move the poor out of cities by imposing low-income-housing quotas on development in middle-class suburbs.

    I would just like to point out that what Mr. Anti-Government-Social-Experimentation is denouncing here is limitation on the regulations that suburban governments can put on their residents’ ability to build what they want on their own land. He dislikes repealing those restrictions because of the social – yeah, let’s say “social” – effects of allowing development to occur in a less-regulated manner.

    You know, because he doesn’t like government activism aimed at social engineering.

    • elm says:

      This is somewhat unfair to Kurtz. There are areas where increasing low-income housing is not about eliminating regulations that prevent low-income housing from being built but by creating new regulations that force a certain amount of low-income housing (the Mount Laurel decision in NJ, for instance.)

      So, while it’s fair to say that Kurtz is a racist moron, I don’t think it’s really fair to call him a hypocrite, too.

      • new regulations that force a certain amount of low-income housing

        Force, how?

        Why, by forbidding the municipality from enforcing its zoning code against certain projects.

        I know exactly how this works: if a community doesn’t have x% affordable housing, then developers are allowed to pull permits for projects that violate the town’s zoning, as long as they are building affordable units.

        These “new regulations” you’re talking about are deregulation; they are limits on the regulatory authority of suburban governments.

        • elm says:

          To quote wikipedia, the Mount Laurel decision in NJ “requires that municipalities use their zoning powers in an affirmative manner to provide a realistic opportunity for the production of housing affordable to low and moderate income households.”

          This isn’t completely true. If municipalities don’t provide enough affordable housing and are sued, one outcome can be that builders are allowed to do whatever they damn well please despite zoning regulations (as you say.)

          But NJ also passed the Fair Housing Act as a reaction to Mount Laurel and to avoid such “builder’s remedies.” Under the FHA, mucipalities can go to a state agency which will tell them how much affordable housing they need and then will clear their plan, which often includes new zoning regulations creating high-density and other affordable housing zones. If the municipality follows through on this pre-cleared plan, they’re immune from builders’ lawsuits. If they don’t follow through, they’re penalized (either by losing said immunity or by the withholding of state money.)

          • use their zoning powers in an affirmative manner to provide a realistic opportunity for the production of housing affordable to low and moderate income households

            This means “up-zone.” That is, reduce the zoning regulations. Where a district might have allowed only single family homes, change the zoning to allow multifamilies. Where it used to have a two-acre minimum per unit, allow 1/5 of a acre.

            new zoning regulations creating high-density and other affordable housing zones.

            The difference between a “high-density zone” and a “low-density zone” is that some of the regulations in the high-density zone are absent, while others are loosened. You are allowed to build a single family home on an acre of land in both a high-density zone and a low-density zone. The difference is, there are a lot of regulations in the low-density zone that do not exist in the high-density zone.

            • elm says:

              No, my understanding is that the NJ regulations often state that certain areas must be high-density. Builders cannot build low-density. I know that you do this for a living and are probably right in general. All I know is NJ where I grew up and used to work in a town that struggled to meet its Mount Laurel requirements. I suppose it’s equally plausible that the planners in that town had no idea what they were doing and were screwing everything up, I guess.

  13. Davis X. Machina says:

    Mistah Kurtz, he daft.

  14. Lee says:

    There are times when I think that suburbinzation was encouraged to cultivate the wing-nut mindset. Conservative ideologists certainly defend suburbia with enough fervor to give this some credence.

    • Arthur Levitt once said that putting working-class people into single-family homes benefited society because the elimination of common areas reduced their ability to get together and promote subversive activity.

      • Matthew Stevens says:

        Holy shit, the man read his Communist Menifesto! I at least give him points for that.

      • JustMe says:

        Do you have a specific source for this?

      • burritoboy says:

        Mark Taper, the developer who pioneered a lot of the suburbinization in the Los Angeles area, expressed the same idea as well.

        • LeeEsq says:

          Earlier in the 20th century, the businessmen behind the IRT thought that by lowering NYC’s density, they could get working class New Yorkers to go conservative. They had the right idea but miscalculated how low density needs to go for this to happen.

  15. Andrew says:

    I made a comment describing how white flight was subsidized by the federal government through the FHA and some genius responded to me with this:

    You’re unimpressed apparently.

    Since you seem to be the reparation type, tell us how much wealth and future earnings of our grandchildren are the entitlement of the aggrieved class(es) with whom you identify?

    Which citizens are guilty of racial discrimination and should therefore be subject to redistributive tax law and wealth transfers. Is it all white people? White people who live in certain neighborhoods? White people born before/during the new deal?

    You’ll let us know when any past wrongs have been righted, correct?

    We need you to show us the way while helping us connect the dots between understanding the greatness of government and a scenario where government has been corrupted by evil racist citizens apparently conspiring to give themselves a free ride on the basis of equally racist federal home loan policy.

    I’m off to legally change my name to “The Reparation Type.”

    You have to love how they make shitty logic seem witty.

  16. Jon H says:

    Clearly Obama is not going to get rid of the suburbs. He’s going to do a massive wealth transfer of suburban property to married gay and lesbian couples. Each couple will be granted extra land on which to farm children who can be recruited to the gay lifestyle.

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