Rick Warren: Scumbag
I’m glad that Rick Warren, America’s Pastor (TM), responded to the Colorado tragedy with such grace and class. He did what any good American would do–connected the shootings to teaching the theory of evolution.
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Living on the surface of the sun is looking more and more appealing everyday.
Lucky for you, climate change is making that more realistic every day!
I’m depressed.
Rick Warren is pretty reliable that way.
I haz a mega-sad.
Looks like he deleted it.
cancel that… i just scanned past it. Boo.
Oh yes, teaching evolution teaches the youth that life is w/o value & yada. Same old same old.
Now cue the chorus of gun-fondlers screaming about cowardly leftists politicizing a tragedy.
Warren simply wants his flock to know that scientists are ravenous wolves in sheep’s clothing – savage wolves who would come in among them and who will not spare the flock. So he ventured into a nest of vipers, cast his pearls before swine, and sure enough – the swine trample his pearls beneath their feat, turn on him and tear him to pieces.
The inescapable lesson here is that people are nothing like animals.
Scumbaggish comment. Not quite Krugman level Scumbaggishness…I mean, at least he didn’t blame the American left for the acts of a non-leftist…but pretty high up there.*
*This should not be interpreted as a swipe at Krugman’s daytime job. His work there is as spectacular as can be found.
I know it’s a mistake to ask but WTF?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/opinion/10krugman.html?_r=1
Truth hurts? Krugman is absolutely dead on with that one.
What, specifically, did he write that was wrong? Because I’m having trouble finding it.
And where did he blame anything on leftists?
He wasn’t blaming leftists, he was blaming those evil, stupid conservatives who want to starve children for the climate of hate that resulted in the Giffords shooting.
I’m pretty sure he didn’t call you and yours “stupid.” He might agree with me that the whole movement is a giant cauldron of emotional disturbances that often tips over into psychoticism, but he didn’t say that, either.
Ooops. I thought your comment was right-wing sarcasm. Never mind.
Fucking bullshit, brad. Can you read Krugman honestly, or are you simply compelled to make shit up so that you can feel superior to both sides?
No.
Funny thing about creating a culture of hate: people other than your intended audience imbibe it, too.
Yes, Warren is much worse.
Jared Loughtner is a Bush-hating 911 conspiracy theorist with anti-Christian views. He is neither a republican nor a conservative. There is no known connection between him and the TeaParty. Those who know him describe him as either liberal or apolitical.
There’s no evidence that he even heard a single TeaParty slogan, let alone acted on one. Early reports of connections to RW anti-govt groups have been completely debunked. At one point, the SPLC asserted that his odd anti-govt conspiracy language matched that of militia guru David Wynn Miller’s. But it turned out that this came from an anti-capitalist pro-environmental film called Zeitgeist.
This conspiracy film appears to be the most salient influence…since JLL thought Giffords a “fake” and was infuriated by her refusal to answer the question: “What is government if words have no meaning?”
If it is truly important to identify which rhetoric bears moral responsibility, this is where we would start. Given the anti-capitalist and environmentalist theme of zeitgeist, and since this was his major obsession leading to the crime, if I were you guys, I would blame the left and environmentalists in particular…for their culture of hatred and paranoia.
But I am not you. I don’t start at a conclusion and work my way backwards. Thats what Paul Krugman did in his repulsive column.
I see your reading comprehension has not improved even a little.
There is also this little tidbit, gun deaths are more common than the national average in states that voted for McCain and less common in states that voted for Obama.
What does anyone expect from one of the great American religious grifters of his era?
A tragedy is a great time to grift for “souls” with money – maybe the best time!
Rick Warren, reading from the Bible:
“And The Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living being.” (Genesis 2:7).
And now, Rick’s pitch:
“Come to my church (We accept cash, credit/debit cards, and certified checks – sorry, no personal checks at this time), and learn that you didn’t evolve from monkeys!
NO!
You came from God taking some dust, making a mud-pie in his image – it was white mud, so don’t worry – then breathing life into the mud-pie through its nostril, taking a rib from the now alive mud-pie and turning it into a woman – then there was a tree with an apple, a talking snake, Original Sin, and generations of incest! (Secondary sin?)!
See?
It wasn’t evolution? It was magic and incest!*”
*Incest would sure explain a lot, wouldn’t it?
How is Rick Warren different than Eric Loomis
asking you to connect the recent heat wave with the theory of anthropogenic climate change?
Both are connecting theories to events with little evidence.
Demonstrating once again the dark and restricted view from the inside of your rectum. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about. As usual.
You misspelled ”Dr.Dumb”
Like you’d know anything about “evidence”. Why should we pay attention to you? For going on fifty years now you’ve totally failed to destroy the accursed Richards and his foolish family. I’d pay attention to the Mad Thinker or even the Wingless Wizard before I gave your claptrap the time of day.
“Doombots” my ass.
Even Mole Man doesn’t have to build his friends.
Harrumph! Plus a ROTFL.
The vast majority of relevant researchers agree with the causal theory Erik relies on, while absolutely no criminologists or psychiatrists think that understanding biology causes gun crime.
You have a point. However, these same scientists in charge have shown themselves to be deceitful lying bastards who manipulate the data to fit their preconceived theories.
That’s why no one’s buyin’ what Erik Loomis is sellin’. And it’s so bad that Erik has posted about the lack of belief of the general public on this issue.
Bottom line is the scientific community doesn’t appear trust worthy on this issue.
More lies – don’t you get sick of the taste of them in your mouth all the time?
No, he likes the taste of shit.
So what you’re saying is, you completely bought into the lie that a commonly used math term somehow indicates deceit? Or do you just perpetuate that lie in bad faith? Which are you, sucker or liar?
Oh, I guess I forgot option 3: you’re a tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorist who thinks the entire scientific community is working in collusion to pull the wool over the eyes of good Americans like you, and that everything they say is a lie.
In charge of what?
Your buckets got a hole in it.
Dr.DUMBASS,
Warren peddles what essentially are fairy tales for people who like to believe in them – all with no empirical evidence. Faith is needed to put 2 and 2 together.
Global warming/weirding is something that you can track empirically over the century plus that we’ve been keeping data – and before that using something called “science.” This shows that we’re heading for the warmest temperatures since long before mankind was mankind.
Who do you want to blame the warming on?
Monkeys?
Horses?
The extinction of the wooly mammoth?
The sun? Ok, maybe? But why now, why not 1,000 years before – or even 200 years, since the dawn of the industrial revolution, which needed man to strip the earth of resources to keep the industries going, and growing?
Why now?
And what is the cause?
God’s wrath?
If you can’t buy a brain, see if you can find one to rent for a short period of time, DrDUMBASS.
I understand that anyone can read a thermometer.
It’s the other part that is so conveniently conflated that no one is buying. There are a large percentage that understand that the earth is always changing and it’s been warmer and it’s been cooler.
I honestly can’t decide: are people like you just really, really stupid by NATURE, or do you CHOOSE to do so because if you had to face reality, it would be too psychically painful for you to handle? Which one would be worse, I wonder?
Shorter Dr. Doom: Fucking science, how does it work?
“It’s the other part that is so conveniently conflated that no one is buying.”
What? This statement make no sense. Let me translate, “gibberish, gibberish, bullshit, twaddle, ergo – it’s Obama’s fault.”
The earth hasn’t been changing at this rate before. And I demand some evidence to back up your assertion that you can read anything, including a thermometer.
Silly. Other animals don’t even use guns, let alone use them to mow down all their peers they can reach.
Au contraire
After millennia of wars and millions of deaths that are pretty directly traceable to teaching people that they have an obligation to god above their fellow man, I think it might be time to try the animal route.
On the flip side, I recently came across the comment “Only animals bow down before gods.”
So much facepalm.
Just show us a moneran or a protista worshipping, if you’re so smart!
Or, for that matter, a Church of Christ, Tree.
Well they don’t call them Atheist Mantises.
But it’s purpose-driven, jeebus-loving scumbaggery, so it’s all good.
I would better describe it as porpoise-driven, but on second thought I think marine mammals are more intelligent and compassionate creatures than televangelists and the parochial, tribalist cattle who graze in their megachurches.
When students are taught they are no different from animals, they act like it.
Actually, there is no other animal who deliberately plans to kill and terrorize other random animals, simply for self-aggrandizement or to lash out about its own frustrated life.
Animals only kill to eat and to defend themselves.
It takes humans – particularly those who feel they are “exceptional” beings with morality on their side – to commit mass murder.
Yeah, not really. When you start getting into animals that are more intelligent and have more complex social structures, you can find some pretty meaningless brutality.
I am not an ethologist, but I do not think you are correct. I know that humans and chimpanzees are the only species to engage in warfare.
But, think about lions. Males will kill another males’ young when taking charge of a new group. It’s not really “warfare” or “sport,” but it’s also not defense or food.
killing another male lion’s offspring is defense, though; defense of one’s bloodline, ensuring that you and yours thrive and survive.
Not from the lion’s subjective point of view, though. The male lion isn’t thinking like that. He kills those cubs because the sight and smell of them them makes him feel like he wants to kill them.
Similarly, there are likely some biological drives, with evolutionary explanations, behind the actions of low-status, young male human beings who kill for fun.
Male lions who take over a pride kill cubs so the females will immediately mate.
Bottlenose dolphins may attack and kill porpoises for fun.
I understand that that is the underlying evolutionary cause for the behavior. Male lions who felt a drive to kill the existing cubs reproduced their line more than those that did not.
But is that the individual lion’s subjective motivation? That’s a different question.
Dolphins don’t count though. We all know they’re much smarter than us.
And all the mass beachings leads me to believe they’re already leaving the planet, so it’s about time for us to go too.
That’s getting much too abstract for the point to work anymore. The cubs are no immediate threat to him. By your standards, Herod’s murder of the innocents qualifies as “self-defense.”
Infanticide of that sort is pretty widespread among a number of species, but does not qualify as “pretty meaningless brutality,” is its purpose is to increase the killer’s reproductive success (it causes the female to go into heat sooner).
It seems like that, and then we find out that dolphins are some something nasty to each other.
From what I have read, the evidence for dolphins may be a bit problematic, though I do not know enough about them or the research to say for certain.
Well, I wasn’t really speaking about war alone.
For example, infanticide is extremely common amongst social mammals. Whales and dolphins are at times extremely aggressive and will out of what seems frustration and/or sport.
Infanticide of this sort is not “meaningless brutality” as it enhances the reproductive success of the killer.
Ants, for crissake.
Oops, didn’t see this when I posted.
For most definitions of “warfare,” ants engage in behavior that probably qualifies.
I will give you the ants, but I was only thinking about higher animals, as that is what Brad specifically addressed.
Ants
So it is all my fault now?
Your fault!? Yes! Drag geology into this discussion. We had such a lovely planet before plate tectonics.
You mean before we taught children ABOUT plate tectonics. Ricky ain’t mad at evolution, he’s mad cause they’re teaching it to the wee ones
I don’t get money from the oil companies to shrill for them but they do occasionally give me new photos of Lee Raymond to ‘bate to.
That’s true. They start licking each other, smelling each other’s interesting scent areas, and gamboling in clover. We need to teach students to act less like humans and more like animals to have a safer, happier world.
Less killing, more gamboling. A new motto for America – I like it!
So Richard Dawkins is the next mass murderer?
Tom Delay blamed the Columbine killings on the teaching of evolution, too. Something about tadpoles, I think.
He’s awful. But what makes you think this was about the shootings and not just more of his generic patronizing horseshit? His Twitter feed seems to feature such sayings at a regular basis.
I wonder if he gets another super-respectful pilgrimage to his church from Obama this year.
Apparently the Right still has a butthurt from Clarence Darrow, and the only thing they can come up with 90 years later is to confuse Scopes with Leopold and Loeb.
Of course they do .. they still have a butthurt from the Civil War, for gods sake
…and from the Enlightenment, come to think of it.
I think they’re split on the rise of the Mongol Empire (killing good, Asians bad).
Speaking of (the Civil War, not the butthurt), yesterday I saw my nominee for the most awful bumper sticker: It was a Confederate battle flag on one side, with the statement “Protecting the country from terrorism since 1861″ written on the other. I was in the north central PA, for the record.
Well, the Confederates did kill a lot more Americans than even Al Qaeda managed to, so what’s wrong with calling them terrorists?
I saw a Native American bumper sticker that read, “Original Homeland Security”. That one hurt a little…
Worst one I ever saw: “If I knew they’d be this much trouble, I’d have picked my own damn cotton,” on the back of a beat-up ole’ pick-up truck.
I suspect that Mr. Elmer Gantry knows that “descended from apes” is different than “descended as apes,” but he’s got a revenue stream to, ah, animate.
As I repeatedly tell the students in my intro classes, “We are not descended from apes, we are apes.”
So, then, they treat each other like apes?
Pretty much by definition, but that is not the same as “they treat each other like other apes”.
Do you really think he’s a total cynic like Gantry, or do you think he’s reached the point where he’s convinced himself that his bullshit is The Truth? I’m never sure with these people.
I can never figure it out either. So then I ask myself: “Are these people evil, crazy, or stupid?” Maybe add to the list “greedy.”
My answer would be, “Yes.”
perhaps the real problem is that we humans haven’t evolved quite enough yet.
Why do anti-Evolution Christians always focus on the “Ape to Man” discussion? It’s my understanding that just about every natural science can demonstrate how the Earth, and it’s occupants, evolved over billions of years. Don’t like the Ape part? Let’s talk Geology? How about Physics? Astronomy? Chemistry? Materials Science? Earth Science? Oceanography? Atmospheric Research? They all debunk the idea the earth is 5000 years old.
I can think of few things more calming than understanding myself as a pawn in a cosmic war between the first and second most sadistic entities ever imagined.