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Finally, White People are Outraged about Police Violence


There’s no question that the killing of the Australian woman by a police officer in Minneapolis is a terrible thing. It goes once again to show that one of the nation’s biggest problems is that the police carry weapons on all occasions. Stripping the police of their guns is one of the biggest moves toward public safety we could take, second perhaps only to repealing the Second Amendment and making it much harder to own a gun.

That said, the white response to this killing as opposed to the response to the routine killing of black people by white cops is grotesque. That’s especially true considering the Minneapolis police murdered Philando Castile a mere year ago. He we have a full page profile on the attractive white woman killed by a Somali-American cop. And now, racist white people are attacking police violence by saying the cop was a “diversity hire” and only if our society wasn’t overrun by POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and all jobs just automatically went to white people except for porters and mammies, that everything would be great.

When victims of police shootings are black, many pundits demand patience, withhold judgment of the officer’s actions, and start looking for dirt on the person killed. Damond isn’t targeted with the same prejudicial scrutiny, and Noor isn’t getting the same wait-and-see defense.

The hypocritical nature of conservative media reactions here overshadows a bigger problem: the tendency to treat every police shooting as a case of bad individuals, rather than emblematic of a systemic problem in U.S. law enforcement.

Take the argument pioneered by ex-cop turned right-wing radio host John Cardillo, which has since jumped to Infowars, WorldNetDaily, and other far-right online spaces. Cardillo argues that Noor, who is Somali American, was a “diversity hire” pushed by a class of politically correct administrators. If they wouldn’t have pushed for Noor’s hiring in the first place, the argument goes, Damond would still be alive today. Minneapolis gave deadly force to someone unqualified to wield it, these voices claim, because it made people feel good to have a more diverse police force.

A second, similar reaction has spread along the internet’s right edge, exemplified in notorious Islamophobe Pam Gellar’s coverage of the story. Gellar focuses on Noor’s religious affiliation and points to the specter of “Islamic supremacism,” asking readers to believe that Noor killed Damond because that is simply what Somali Americans do.

These reactions are astonishing in their racism, but the problem goes far beyond that. They also exonerate the police institutions that trained Noor, the conduct regulations that governed his behavior, and the political environment in which he and all other police currently operate.

In these renderings of the case, the important details are all about identity. Instead of a white cop killing an unarmed black man, it’s a black cop killing an unarmed white woman. Noor killed a woman who’d sought his help because something was wrong with him, not because anything is wrong with how the institution of policing conditions officers to behave, think, and react to situations.

If Noor is just one faulty piece in a perfectly fine system, fixing things is as simple as plucking him off the chessboard. No further questions need to be asked about how our public institutions hand out badges and guns; the probe stops at the supposed ills of inclusive hiring and religious tolerance.

I’ll tell you what, I’m just amazed that right-wing responses to police violence are entirely framed by the race of the shooter and victim. Amazed.

The difference in the official response between this and the routine murders of blacks by white cops is striking.

Reality did not disappoint the cynics. Within six days of Damond’s death, an attorney for her family had called her “the most innocent victim” of a police shooting he’d ever seen, and the mayor of Minneapolis had asked for and received the resignation of police chief Janeé Harteau. The Minneapolis Star-Tribune ran a story pointing out that Bob Kroll, the leader of the local police union—who once referred to the Black Lives Matter movement as a “terrorist organization”—was being uncharacteristically silent when it came to the culpability of the Somali American Noor. When pressed on why he had been willing to defend the officers involved in Clark’s death but unwilling to defend Noor, Kroll told the Star-Tribune that he hadn’t yet spoken to Noor’s lawyer and therefore didn’t have enough information to comment. “In this case, I don’t know the facts of it,” Kroll told a reporter in a series of text messages. “His attorney is handling and the Federation is remaining silent. This is how our board and attorney decided to handle this one.”

I suppose watching white people begin to realize that maybe police violence is a problem because one of there’s died is a not terrible thing. It would be great if the upshot of this was that white people realized that Black Lives Matter is a real set of complaints about police violence, as well as many other ways black people are discriminated against, and then united with them in a broader fight against police violence. The chances of that happening is approximately the same as John McCain flying back to Washington from brain cancer surgery to save health care for the poor instead of stripping it from them.

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  • The Wet One

    It’s a disgusting spectacle to behold. And yet, completely predictable and, I guess, normal.

  • Kevin

    i do hate to bring this up: But this really does show, race and class are two very different things, so I wish some on our side would stop trying to say solving one will solve the other. Solving class issues will in no way change this dynamic. Both are important, but let’s not pretend one doesn’t exist.

    • randykhan

      It’s painful that something this obvious needs to be pointed out.

    • You mean solving race issues wouldn’t change the dynamic, right?

      • Kevin

        No, I said what I meant, and meant what I said.

  • Damnitall, if white women are going to be shot dead by cops, the cops ought to be white too!!!

    • Thirtyish

      Everyone knows that it isn’t really rape a police killing if the perpetrator is white.

  • Drew

    “They also exonerate the police institutions that trained Noor, the conduct regulations that governed his behavior, and the political environment in which he and all other police currently operate.”

    You’d think that at least some self-interest would kick in here. “Hm if a pretty white lady can get gunned down by the cops it can happen to anyone.”

    • Uncle_Ebeneezer

      In our White Supremacist society oppressing Black/Brown people IS a matter of self-interest.

    • Snarki, child of Loki

      “You’d think that at least some self-interest would kick in here.”

      Hey, those racists only have so many IQ points to go around. If they use one for the “self-interest” thing, then they’ll only have two left.

    • Origami Isopod

      White supremacists are okay with throwing a few of “their own” under the bus so long as they can keep their privilege.

    • brewmn61

      Yes, but it was a black cop. That changes everything.

  • Yestobesure

    Upvote for the thoughtful local oped linked in the original post.

  • Murc

    Stripping the police of their guns is one of the biggest moves toward
    public safety we could take, second perhaps only to repealing the Second
    Amendment and making it much harder to own a gun.

    Something I like to blow peoples minds with is the fact that British cops don’t carry guns.

    That just throws so many people into “does not compute” territory. They know that guns aren’t common in the UK because they hate freedom over there, but surely the COPS are armed, right?

    And no, they’re not. They have access to guys with military gear, of course, the Met’s famous SCO19 can get their hands on some pretty shiny bling what goes bang. But almost no British constable on their plod is armed with anything more dangerous than a plastic baton and speedcuffs.

    And yet they have no trouble keeping order in places like London, a city whose populace isn’t averse to a bit of recreational rioting if the situation calls for it.

    It is within our power as a society to operate similarly if we wish to. We simply choose not to.

    • Bizarro Mike

      The problems go way back, but I think part of it has to do with an influx of Iraq war vets into the police force and into shady “police training” companies. In the Iraq war, force protection was given top priority. This was a dubious, if understandable, position for an occupying army. But for a police force, it is madness in a civil society. The police aren’t supposed to patrol the streets as a display of power, but to keep the peace, to help handle to problems every community has.

      • Origami Isopod

        Definitely part of it, but the acceleration of the War on [Some] Drugs in the 1980s-90s is when the militarization of cops really began to ramp up.

      • TJ

        I couldn’t agree with this statement more. After dealing the past few months with a nephew whose a Marine vet of several Afghanistan tours and wants for all the world to be cop, I half way think no vet should be allowed to be a cop without rigorous, months long psychological screening. His PTSD runs long and deep…and his paranoia deeper.

        Back in ‘Nam it was rare to do multiple tours. The downside to the all volunteer force of today is that war fighting has been concentrated into the hands of too few Americans and the burden has been too great.

    • guthrie

      Metal baton, unless things have changed recently. ANd pepper spray.

    • Lost Left Coaster

      I agree with you but an important piece of context is that British society is not armed to the teeth. Police with guns are dangerous but it also reflects the broader problem of the proliferation of guns in the USA.

    • Rob in CT

      Well, we also have a heavily armed populace to police, whereas there are comparatively few guns in Britain.

      This is not to say we don’t need reform – we do, badly. But our cops probably do need guns.

      • Murc

        My larger point was that is is in fact possible to build a society where the cops do not need guns, because it has been done. We simply choose not to do so.

        • Rob in CT

          And like many other things (cough healthcare financing cough) we’re far enough down one road that switching to the other is a big challenge. Imagine seriously trying to put a dent in the # of guns in America.

    • Halt! Or………..I’ll say “Halt!” again!

    • TJ

      I’m for ending police shootings but I’m not for letting them be gunned down by armed criminals of the type that killed Officer Miosotis Familia in the Bronx earlier month. Getting rid cop guns makes no sense any kind.

      This was a bizarre shooting, and it either reflects paranoid cops or poor training or both. I can’t imagine how Noor’s partner must feel since Noor shot across his body point blank range. He could’ve been killed himself. In light Minneapolis’ experience here was good that the Chief go, but it’s probably time for the Mayor go too. The hypocrisy is a bit too much for this brotha.

      • ColBatGuano

        There were about 60 police officers shot and killed in 2016. Which is probably a tenth of the number of people shot by police. Also, Officer Familia had a gun. Did it save her?

        • TJ

          Do you have stats on how many people cops wrongfully shot vs people shot in commission of violent crimes or in apprehension? The guy who shot Familia was himself shot shortly after by another cop. So just because a cop shoots someone doesn’t mean it’s always wrongful… The best way to stop wrongful shootings by cops is to prosecute those who wrongful shootings.

    • Michael

      As a counterpoint, Canadian police carry guns and we don’t have the same issues with police murder as America does.

      • TJ

        Most police forces worldwide cary guns. Racism as such is bigger killer than guns.

      • We don’t have the same issues with police murder to the same extent, I suppose, but for instance Montreal police have shot a fair number of unarmed people and it is just as hard to hold them to account.

        • Michael

          Of course it happens, but it a) happens with much less frequency and b) the police are not protected *as* much in the States. The case of Sammy Yantin in Toronto is the most visible one to recent memory.

  • JKTH

    See also the handling of the War on Drugs versus the opioid crisis.

    • TJ

      OMG the hypocrisy of suburban white Americans on drug use makes you want to puke. They want to “medicate” their kids while sending ours to the klink. Fuck that shit. If our kids go, their kids need go. And they need to increase penalties on heroin dealers as well.

  • Uncle Cholmondeley

    Just a factual correction: Minneapolis police were not involved in the Philando Castile shooting. That was a suburban police force.

    • Downpup E

      St Anthony
      6 people shot so far this year in Minnesota. 4 had guns, one other didn’t:
      Ronnie Johnson, a 41-year-old white man armed with a air conditioner, was shot on Jan. 11, 2017, in Austin, Minn.
      He’d flipped out, was fighting with a woman, and threw an air conditioner out a window.

      Minnesota has a bit under the national average rate for police killing people. This year’s leader in kills per million is Maine, a bit ahead of reliably violent Oklahoma.

      Source the WaPo database: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/

  • Within six days of Damond’s death, an attorney for her family had called her “the most innocent victim” of a police shooting he’d ever seen…

    Really? More innocent than a 12 year old boy playing with a toy gun? Fucking really?

    That’s some shit.

    • postmodulator

      The weirdest argument I’ve ever had with one of the People of the Gun (and there’s stiff competition) was with the guy who claimed that the problem was Tamir Rice pointed his gun at the cops. Like, the whole country saw the video and you think you can lie about what it says? it’s bizarre.

      • Lost Left Coaster

        Not to mention that the open carry types want to carry real loaded guns around and not even have the police so much as inconvenience them with a few questions.

    • Thirtyish

      A blond white woman is regarded as essentially innocent by these people, even if she happens to be a chainsaw-wielding serial killer. A black kid, by contrast, is essentially “streetwise” and tough, even if he is 12 and has an appealing, bedimpled smile. Welcome to America.

      • Just_Dropping_By

        “These people” being lawyers hired by the victim’s family? That’s who is speaking in that quote.

        • It still leaves open the question of why this esteemed advocate believes that comparing this particular victim’s innocence favorably to that of those other victims is going to be a persuasive argument.

    • Just_Dropping_By

      Yes, it’s shocking that a lawyer for the family of a dead person (that’s who is speaking in that quote) would publicly claim that the dead person was exceptionally innocent, peaceful, well-regarded, etc., etc….

      • Joe Paulson

        CV Danes did not say it was “shocking.”

        It very well still can be “some shit” and when lawyers say something, which is going to try to frame things where the public at large and the government in particular that has to deal with the concerns of other victims, that would be something to keep in mind.

    • RBHolb

      The attorney also represented Philando Castile’s family in their civil suit.

    • TJ

      But see she’s a white woman, so she’s pure as the driven snow…. I’m sure there’s some people here who concur in that statement lol!

      • ColBatGuano

        I’m sure there’s some people here who concur in that statement lol!

        Sure, go ahead and make some shit up. Adding lol doesn’t mean you’re not an asshole.

        • TJ

          Make shit up? You must not be familiar with LGM blogger Lemieux. He’ll defend a white woman doing racist shit even when she’s obviously wrong.

          • Aaron Morrow

            [cites omitted]

            • Hob

              It’s Throttlejockey back again. Too bad he can’t stick to discussing actual things in the world as he was more or less doing elsewhere on this page, but has to simultaneously bust out the bullshit grudges.

              I’m still not sure whether he was explicitly banned for his past sockpuppeting, or just took a break for a while. I’ve flagged the post, but if he’s not actually banned then admins please ignore the flag. But it seems to me a person can either make angry arguments based directly on who he is, or lie about who he is, but not both.

    • nick056

      Yeah, that’s their attorney talking. Agree wholeheartedly with Erik’s post, think it’s dumb to pick on the family’s attorney for portraying the victim in a maximally positive light.

      • It’s not a matter of picking on the attorney. Suppose he’s simply making the case that he believes (probably rightly) will produce the best result for his clients. What does that say about where this country is at?

  • Uncle_Ebeneezer

    Bustle had a good piece on this as well:

    “If she were a black woman, of course it would be covered differently,” she tells Bustle. “The fact is that we know she lived a healthy lifestyle and all these other details. We don’t get that with the black women that are being killed. We didn’t know anything about Tanisha Anderson, Aiyana Jones, and so many others.” Ani says she finds that the news coverage has created an idealized image of Damond. “The narrative that’s being pushed with this particular case is just different from the narrative we hear when it’s a black woman…but none of this is a surprise,” she says.

    “There’s no investment in the humanity of the black victims, not nearly as much as for white victims.”

    In her view, black women victims are often reduced to racial tropes that render them violent, unstable, careless, and often complicit in their own demise. Ani says that on the part of the press, “There’s no investment in the humanity of the black victims, not nearly as much as for white victims.” For this imbalance to the addressed, she says news outlets must “try to be cognizant of the fact that the narrative is already lopsided. What can we do to make sure that we’re not perpetuating this unbalanced narrative?”

    Glowing profiles like this one in the New York Times embolden critics who contend that victims are portrayed differently based on their race. The Times described Damond as “the luminous Australian in the Fulton neighborhood of Minneapolis, leading meditation sessions, scattering her communications with rainbow emojis and greeting people with, “Hello, beautiful!”

    “It’s really becoming quite the fairytale story,” April Reign, a former lawyer, advocate in the movement for black lives, and the creator of #OscarSoWhite, tells Bustle. “All that’s missing is the glass slipper.”

    Reign sees a lot of problems in the media coverage of the Damond case. “The hypocrisy that I see is both concerning and disappointing. What we see is an incredible amount of sympathy for Ms. Damond, which is absolutely understandable, but we have not seen the same for black victims of state-sanctioned violence, like Philando Castille and Sandra Bland,” she says.


    • There was more outrage over the shooting of Harambe than Charleena Lyles. Think about that.

  • hellslittlestangel

    If you Google “Minneapolis police shooting,” you have to scroll waaaaay down before you see anything about Jamar Clark, who Minneapolis police killed a year and a half ago. His story faded pretty quickly into the background of unarmed black bodies gunned down by white cops, but we’ll be hearing about Justine Damond for years to come.

  • Asano Sokato

    It’s like living the hackiest, preachiest episode of The Twilight Zone. Except in this one no one gets the moral of the story.

  • kaydenpat

    Black lives truly don’t matter in this country. Cops can kill us and walk scot free. But kill a pretty White woman, especially if you’re a Black cop and heads will roll. The fact that the police union isn’t supporting Noor says it all.

  • AlexSaltzberg

    There have been several unarmed white victims of police shootings in the past few years which had BLM and/or non-BLM organized protests. But those stories never seemed to go beyond local news.

    It’s a bit scary to me to think that the thing to cause a national narrative is the race of the police officer.

  • Thirtyish

    The fact that reaction to this incident exemplifies precisely why BLM is needed is surely to sail over most white Americans’ heads.

    • Uncle_Ebeneezer

      WAY OVER their heads.

    • Just_Dropping_By

      And the fact that this reaction shows why “Black Lives Matter” was literally about the worst possible framing someone could adopt if they actually wanted to do something about police brutality is sure to sail over most folks’ heads around here.

      • PressSecretaryCaptainHowdy

        Bite me.

      • JKTH

        Yes, clearly glibertarians know best on how to frame things.

      • Lost Left Coaster

        I really do not think that is the lesson here.

      • Hogan

        Worse than “Fuck Tha Police”?

        • Uncle_Ebeneezer

          I was totally gonna protest with BLM but then Beyonce played the Super Bowl Half-time Show, so now I'm donating to Jeff Sessions.

      • Uncle_Ebeneezer

        I'm sure the Black, queer women who founded BLM are just dying to hear your valuable insights on this topic. Maybe you can get a job as some sort of Chief Of Tone-Police!

      • Aaron Morrow

        Why? Are all of you conservatives racist and/or pandering to racists?

      • Thirtyish

        Cool story, bro.

      • ColBatGuano

        Were your feelings hurt?

  • Joe Paulson

    Meanwhile, D.C. Court of Appeals announces a right to public carry.


    Conflict in circuits and it being right in their backyard might lead SCOTUS to decide question though guess it might go en banc first.

  • N__B

    If Damond were black, we’d be hearing about how rescuing ducks from a sewer is proof of her evil intent.

    • Hogan

      And that weird religion she practices . . .

  • McAllen

    And of course nobody’s going to learn a goddamn thing. You could bring up a thousand cases that are just like Damond except involving black people, and it won’t matter to these people. They won’t even try to justify their hypocrisy. This nation is sick with racism.

  • Xer

    Come on. Yes, you can definitely find White people who are only outraged by the shootings of other White people. But there were many, many White people who were (and are still) outraged by the killing of Philando Castile.

    Ending police violence is falling victim to the same divisions that broke apart the 19th century union of abolition with women’s suffrage. If we want to play a game of “my side has it worse than your side” we’ll get to play that game for a very long time, because nothing will actually be changed.

    Grotesque police shootings have long happened. They happen very often to young black men. They also happen to middle aged white women and everyone else. Don’t for a moment forget that what we are actually seeing in the media is a particular coverage fad. That’s how the media has always worked, and it’s no different now, even though the subject matter is particularly gruesome and heartbreaking.

    If you’re angry that the Mayor of Minneapolis didn’t fire the police chief after the shooting of Castile, I would recommend getting a map. Philando Castile was shot by a St. Anthony (not Minneapolis) officer who was patrolling Falcon Heights (also not Minneapolis). In the aftermath, many, many people protested outside the governor’s residence (not mayor’s) in St. Paul (not Minneapolis). Falcon Heights has ended its contract with the St. Anthony police, but we must wait to see if they really reform how policing is done in their area.

    Police shootings are a problem across the Twin Cities (and Minnesota, and the U.S.). Most of the shootings never make the national news because they don’t fit neatly into a popular news narrative.

    For example:
    Here’s an actual Minneapolis police officer shooting an Asian teenager, and then planting a gun next to his body to make the shooting look justified: http://www.twincities.com/2009/03/30/lawsuit-minneapolis-cops-planted-pistol-on-teen-after-they-gunned-him-down/

    Here’s the Woodbury (St. Paul suburb) police shooting a young Black male hostage victim as he tries to flee the hostage taker: http://www.twincities.com/2016/11/30/woodbury-police-officers-who-mistakenly-shot-man-in-standoff-ask-for-lawsuit-dismissal/

    Here’s St. Paul Police shooting a middle-aged Black male who’s fighting off a carjacker who just murdered someone else: http://www.postbulletin.com/caller-tried-to-warn-police-in-shooting/article_132ae1aa-5d6a-5a26-8b27-bd9524e44e8f.html

    Here’s a Chaska (Mpls suburb) policeman shooting a middle-aged White female who was just used as a hostage/body armor by her knife-wielding boyfriend: http://www.twincities.com/2017/06/01/family-of-woman-shot-by-police-on-highway-212-wins-1-75m-settlement/

    All of the above hit me so hard that i still remember all of these cases (even though one is from 2001). But they didn’t become “big” news because the national media was focused on other things at the time.

    I am very glad that police shootings are now being scrutinized across the country, but I have to say, I don’t think Janae Harteau was the real problem. What’s going on now looks more like political “concern theater” than real reform.

    • Joe_Bob_the_III

      Thanks for this. I live in St. Paul. Being even peripherally on the inside of something that is a subject of widespread outside commentary is proving to be an interesting experience.

    • Uncle_Ebeneezer

      So your argument is that focussing on the exponential racial disparity is what’s really holding back police reform efforts? Seriously?

      • Xer

        Nope. It’s the infighting that bothers me.

        • Origami Isopod

          Nope. It’s the infighting refusal to privilege white people’s feelings that bothers me.


    • Joe Paulson

      There was an article that spelled out various criteria in police shootings in the state. Race stood out as a major criteria. The discussion of the firing of the police chief is interesting and I’ll be agnostic given I don’t know the particulars. Another thing of special note in this case is that the race of the police officer is being singled out by the usual racist suspects. Overall, Erik Loomis looked at the problem writ large too.

    • Origami Isopod


  • Uncle_Ebeneezer

    Ugh…Local Los Angeles civil rights org, Dignity & Power Now (who have been doing great work on reform of LA Sheriff’s Dept) were just on our local NPR affiliate. So of course NPR had to “balance” things by having the leader of BlueLivesMatter on as well. He said “witch hunt” within the first 30 seconds.


  • Joe Paulson

    I’m curious to see the full story (or as much of it as we will get) as to why the woman was killed but have less to worry about there* since the rules make her life worth more & thus more effort will be placed to bring things to light there. Her life isn’t worth more. It’s like McCain’s cancer.

    * On that end. On the other end, the end where the race of the police officer matters, have some additional reason to worry.

  • Joe_Bob_the_III

    As someone who lives in St. Paul and works in Minneapolis, I would like to offer some additional perspective. The outrage over the killing of Justine Damond would not be what it is without the context of the killing of Philando Castile and the subsequent acquittal of the officer who shot him. [For the record: Castile involved an entirely different jurisdiction from the Minneapolis Police Dept.] That verdict came down just a few weeks ago and people were still pretty raw over it when Damond was killed.

    In the interim there were other incidents involving the Minneapolis police. In one widely publicized event, an officer entered a homeowner’s fenced yard in response to a burglar alarm and shot and wounded two dogs. It was a false alarm and the residents were inside the house. The cops never even rang the doorbell. In a less publicized case, the MPD paid out a six-figure excessive force settlement related to an incident where a MPD officer was filmed kicking a man in the face, leaving him with a traumatic brain injury.

    At least locally, the response to the Damond killing is not just about the Damond killing. It’s the culmination of a series of bad acts, both by the MPD and other local jurisdictions. Also a factor is some serious bad blood between the mayor and the police chief who was asked to resign, all of which predated the recent series of incidents with the department.

    As far as Mohamed Noor being a “diversity hire”: Of course that’s what you would expect to hear from the usual mouth-breathing racist right-wing suspects. It’s not a commonly held view around here. There are probably 8,000 Somalis living in Minneapolis and another 8,000 living in the metro area. They have been a community here for decades and reasonable people believe their presence should be reflected in the police force.

  • Moslerfan

    Don’t need to repeal the Second Amendment, just start taking the “well ordered militia” part seriously.

  • The Wet One

    Of course, a pertinent fact to this matter is that white women do get killed by cops quite regularly. I count unarmed 8 women and one unarmed girl shot to death by cops in 2016: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

    It’s a fairly regular occurrence.

    Which is one of the reasons why I think that this story is mostly of interest because it’s a foreigner who’s been killed (at least initially anyways). It’s one thing for the crazy cops to kill Americans, because that can easily be swept under the rug. It’s another when cops kill a foreign national for no comprehensible reason whatsoever. Especially when foreign nationals governments are going to be asking questions and some horsesh*t nonsense isn’t going to pass muster as a response.

    ETA – I sure wish that the Guardian was still doing its count of people killed by the cops. Oh well…

    • The Wet One

      And not that anyone cares, of the 8 women killed most were pretty good looking and 1/2 of them were blond.

      Safe to say that no cops were held to account for any of their deaths, though if I recall rightly, one elderly woman who was killed was accidentally shot to death by a cop doing a demonstration.

      Because that figures of course…


    • Veleda_k

      Yes, I’ve also been feeling that a key factor is the cop’s race. I can’t know for sure, and that really important Guardian lists doesn’t have any info on race of the shooter, but I feel like it would have been easier for a white cop to get away with shooting a white woman.

      (Also very telling, the number of women on that list who were shot by their cop male romantic partners.)

      • Origami Isopod

        Cops have very high rates of DV. Partly because of the type of shitmuppet who’s drawn to the profession, partly because they all cover each other’s asses.

        • weirdnoise

          And partly because, on top of the personality type attracted to policing, the work is often psychologically damaging and would be to just about anyone. A few weeks of (usually paid) furlough after a shooting is often the sole recognition of this. Cops are left to each other to provide psychological support, reinforcing the always-cover-for-each-other mentality.

      • The Wet One

        That could be.

    • Joe_Bob_the_III

      There is also a class aspect to it that is a relative rarity. When bad things happen to good people who live in bad neighborhoods it’s usually considered collateral damage that is to be expected. Damond was killed near her home in one of the more upscale neighborhoods in Minneapolis.

      • The Wet One

        A good point.

  • Yep, that’s pretty outrageous. It’s also a very strong argument for trying not to racialize issues. We’d be a lot better off if the conversation about police brutality was about how it’s a threat to everyone, not how it disproportionately effects minorities.

    • Aaron Morrow


      Some white people would be a lot better off if the conversation about police brutality was about how it’s a threat to everyone, not how it disproportionately effects minorities.

      • Why do you say that / edit my comment to say that? It’s not like the additional reforms that would get passed if there was more popular concern about police brutality would only help white victims.

        • Aaron Morrow

          Your ignorance of American history is condescending to minorities, and other white people who aren’t as racist as you imply. In reality, before BLM there was just nice, cheap words about doing something about police brutality, if that.

          Your original statement is only logical if you meant to imply that you were a lot better off when the conversation about police brutality was swept under the rug.

          • No, I meant to imply we’d be better off if we were focusing on the issue as much or more as we are now, but taking it as a whole rather than focusing on the racial disparity aspect. It’s fair enough to speculate that talking about racial disparities helped get the issue on the map in the first place, but there’s nowhere near the evidence for that assumption to make any other assumption logically incoherent.

            There are plenty of non-racist white people, but there are also plenty who have enough conscious or unconscious racial bias to be less concerned about problems they think mainly effect black people. Admittedly it’s a bit gross to cater to that attitude in any way, but clearly it’d be worth it if I’m correct and it would help the reform effort.

    • guthrie

      Unfortunately, your argument is rather similar to the one about the evil lefties turning climate change into a political issue. I.e. one side* sees no problem in these shootings, and the other side does. Unfortunately the sides map quite well onto the 2 main political parties, so if the democrats start saying hey, maybe shooting people is bad, the republicans will oppose any attempt at shooting fewer people.

      *slightly simplified for brevity

      • I’m not talking about politicizing the issue though, I’m talking about racializing it. We on the left should absolutely be raising at least as much of a hue and cry about every instance of police brutality as we are doing now. What we should do differently is make the headline message of that outcry “Police brutality! They got this guy and it might be you or someone you know could be next!” rather than trying to connect it to racial prejudice, as valid as that connection may be in any given case.

        • Hogan

          Can you racialize an issue that’s already racial? Disparate impact is an actual thing.

          • Of course. Disparate impact is a thing for practically every issue, but some are much more racialized than others.

            • Hogan

              What issue is more racialized than police killings of unarmed people? Or are you thinking of “racializing” as something caused entirely by messaging?

              • Yeah I’d say it’s the messaging. Compare the murder by police discourse to discussion of the economy. Recessions have a hugely disparate impact on minorities because minorities tend to be poorer and thus more economically vulnerable. But when we talk about preventing recessions we don’t really bring race into it much at all. We operate on the assumption that this is obviously something that effects everyone and that everyone has an interest in. I’d like the police killings discourse to move in that direction.

        • guthrie

          When you phrase it that way it makes more sense. Over here in the UK we have an outcry every time the police shoot someone, whether it was a good decision or not. That helps keep a lid on potential for greater police violence, although tasers are coming to the fore now.

    • nick056

      “Problems which are inextricably bound up in the country’s history of racial caste can be solved most easily through entirely selective and tendentious refusals to discuss racial caste.”

      • The other side racializing crime issues is what got us into this mess in the first place by convincing racist white people to support tough on crime measures with the implication that they were targeting black people. Makes perfect sense that we’d need to do the opposite to take that political coalition apart and reverse those policies. We need to role back this “tough on crime” BS, not make it apply to everyone equally. Emphasizing that an issue that effects everyone rather than emphasizing who it effects the most is a pretty obvious strategy for building broad coalitions.

        • Erik Loomis

          Yeah, but that has basically been happening for 200 years.

          • Yep. And just like always the solution is to unite people of all races around their common interests.

  • Genuinely wonder if anyone is shocked by this. I does sadden me, though, immensely.

  • shah8

    Heh, like I said…

    It was never about the dogs.

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