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New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo makes a point during a meeting on tax cut proposals in the Red Room at the Capitol on Monday, Jan. 6, 2014, in Albany, N.Y. Cuomo has proposed cutting the state’s corporate income tax from 7.1 percent to 6.5 percent and eliminating it altogether for upstate manufacturers. He also has proposed paying more state aid as an incentive to any of New York’s 10,500 local governments that impose hard 2 percent spending caps and cut their costs by consolidating services with other towns, villages, cities and counties. (AP Photo/Mike Groll)

May all Democrats, Hillary Hacks and Bernie Bros alike, unite to make sure this man never sniffs the Democratic nomination.

Asked Wednesday whether it would be better for New York to have an all Democratic state government, Cuomo, the head of the state party who is believed to have 2020 presidential aspirations, referred to the chaos and dysfunction the last time the Dems controlled the chamber in 2009-10.

“We’ve had a unified Democratic government in Albany. It’s not a hypothetical. We’ve had it. It wasn’t extraordinarily successful. So I work with the Assembly and Senate that I’ve been given and I do the best I can,” he said.

Cuomo did say as a Democrat he supports members of his party. The governor has given money to the Senate Dems and their candidates. But the state party he controls has not.

It’s nice of a leading Democrat with national ambitions to have to say that he does in fact support Democrats, even though his actions don’t show it.

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  • PunditusMaximus

    Clinton became one of the biggest Democratic guns yet to rally behind Cuomo’s ticket this week, part of a strategy to overwhelm Teachout and her running mate Tim Wu with party firepower.

    I think we should stand with her.

    • brad

      Do you share that goat with Mickey Kaus?

      • PunditusMaximus

        It’s funny because Mickey Kaus is a racist piece of shit!

        • brad

          Whereas you’re merely dismissive of identity politics, mhm.

          • PunditusMaximus

            As I’ve often said — if you’re not accounting for Patriarchy, white supremacy, and class in your analysis of a given policy, you’re probably supporting the system of oppression you left out.

            Or, in simpler terms: idpol = class warfare in pure form. Google Murray Bookchin.

            • brad

              Yes, meaningless jumbles of words back at you, too.

              eta: Point being, you’re not fooling anyone except possibly yourself. But at least you’re better at self-editing since the rebranding, I will give you that much.

              • Q.E.Dumbass

                Who was this confirmed as being? I know SWH is NMAC.

                • brad

                  First guess is slothrop, or could be TvTray attempting to use complete sentences. If there was a confirmation I missed it.

                • PunditusMaximus

                  I’m wondering who I’m confirmed as being, too. It’s always nice when the internet decides you’re actually a cat.

                • Q.E.Dumbass

                  @brad: Sharculese suspected that PM was slothrop after their reaction to the former’s posts. As for it being TVTray, that’s a tough call — the only actual policy position I’ve heard him say was that drones are a necessary evil, but given that he almost never progressed beyond tweet-length crayon scribble there’s too little info to make a sure connection (and I also haven’t caught any confirmation or otherwise-recognizable tics).

                  Further confounding identification is that PM is distinct from the others in that the CDS present is relatively moderate — that is, it’s overwhelmingly based on policy differences and mostly absent personal animus to HRC.

                • brad

                  Tactics evolve. Not every bro is quite so dense as to think ranting about your degree of loathing of the she-beast will convince others. At least not 6 months later. The Enemy must remain named, lest it rise again, but in the meantime maybe the blatant awfulness of things will allow for some common ground to be established, be it just for attempted rhetorical subterfuge or otherwise.

                • PunditusMaximus

                  CDS

                  it’s overwhelmingly based on policy differences

                  what is the i don’t even

            • efgoldman

              As I’ve often said

              Yes you have
              Overandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverand…

              • PunditusMaximus

                And yet, brad was confused.

  • nobody

    How does Andrew Cuomo compare with his father Mario? Does he take after him or is he more “centrist” than dad?

    • Marlowe

      Mario must be spinning in his grave daily. That answer your question?

      I’ve seen plenty of awful DINOs over the last few decades, but none as morally hideous as this monstrosity–from NY yet.

      • I 2nd that.

        • Marlowe

          Indeed, if Mario had not played Hamlet so seriously in 1992, he probably would have been president. What a wonderfully different history that would have made.

          • Lev

            For sure. Right now, Bill Clinton would be about as obscure as Bruce Babbitt. Mostly he’d be known for the shitty speech he gave at Dukakis’s convention.

      • CP

        Worse than Joe Lieberman?

        • PunditusMaximus

          Is that . . . physically . . . possible?

        • Marlowe

          Ack, good call. That’s like asking if you want to die from drowning or burning.

          • CP

            I think the last time I was as violently enraged at anyone in politics as I am now, it was during the original ACA argument, watching that smug, preening asshole playing coy for the cameras about whether or not he’d vote for the bill, and just how many more badly needed benefits he was going to demand gutted. “Well, we’ll just have to see!”

            • Nick never Nick

              Remember how Lieberman suggested a compromise of lowering the age of Medicare eligibility to 55, and then dropped it like a hot bong the second a bunch of grungy liberals expressed grungy liberal enthusiasm?

              Good times, good times . . .

      • StillWithHer

        “DINO” is a hilarious term btw

    • brad

      Well, he hasn’t, to my knowledge, campaigned in favor of the death penalty. Otherwise, Andrew is a child of Albany, not Mario.

    • jimpharo

      Pretty much the opposite. Plus, he’s not so bright.

    • CrunchyFrog

      Andrew:Mario as Chris Wallace: Mike Wallace

      Yeah, that horrible. Fucking traitor.

      I don’t know the politics of the state, but apparently there are a whole bunch of Lieberdem DINOS like Emmanuel who occupy Democratic offices while enacting Republican policies.

      http://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2016/12/cuomo-stands-idle-as-senate-goes-republican-107778

      • Colin Day

        Andrew:Mario as Chris Wallace: Mike Wallace

        Andrew:Mario as Commodus:Marcus Aurelius

  • indefinitelee

    Wait, I thought we weren’t supposed to have dealbreakers.

    Make up your mind LGM!

    • lizzie

      Read the post again. Erik’s saying that Democrats should unite to make sure this man never gets the nomination. Which has been the argument the whole time: go ahead and have dealbreakers in the primaries, but in the general, vote for the nominated Dem.

      • PunditusMaximus

        Nah, the reading is basically correct.

      • Rob in CT

        Right.

    • Chetsky

      There’s what lizzie said (about what Erik said). But there’s also this: for me there -is- one dealbreaker. If you’re a Dem, you don’t ratfuck the party by helping the Rs. Cuomo’s ratfucking robs the Dems of control of the NY lege. That’s a dealbreaker — he’s no Dem.

      • PunditusMaximus

        You’ll be astonished to learn that to me, ratfucking, in the form of Republican daddies, is also a dealbreaker.

      • StillWithHer

        Like Cuomo said, full Dem control of the legislature was not a productive situation

    • StillWithHer

      When YOU do it, it is a deal breaker. When Loomieux does it, it is True Progressivism

  • Gwen

    Agreed. Anyone But Cuomo.

    • No Longer Middle Aged Man

      How about Any Democrat But Cuomo? Because as horrible as he is, what plausible Republican is not more horrible?

      • Aaron Morrow

        What “plausible Republican” would run for the Democratic nomination? Maybe Webb, but you said plausible.

        • No Longer Middle Aged Man

          I misread the OP. Or to be honest, I didn’t actually read it. Just saw the title and picture and had to get my two cents in. The guy has the charm/charisma of Richard Nixon combined with the party loyalty of Joe Lieberman.

          Frankly, I hope Spitzer comes back to give him a run. His sex stuff should attract a lot of Republican votes if the NY Republican primary is any indication.

          • Gwen

            Spitzer / Deez Nuts 18

  • sleepyirv

    I think Cuomo, and the expensive consultants Cuomo pays, likes his chances more than any level of reasonable. His sop to liberals (gay marriage!) is now essentially ancient history. And from a moderate’s point of view… well, he’s Hillary Clinton without the charisma.

  • Lev

    I can easily imagine the arguments his people will use on Democratic primary voters. “He’s moderate! He can raise money! He’s experienced!” And so on. But for the life of me I can’t imagine what Cuomo’s base would be. Sanders fans would avoid him like the plague for a half-dozen reasons. I don’t see him as having a natural pitch to women or environmentalists. Quite a lot of Democrats see him as untrustworthy and self-interested. Perhaps the shattered remnants of Clintonworld would back him, but that would make him the Jeb Bush of 2018. Which is what I think he is.

    • Q.E.Dumbass

      Perhaps the shattered remnants of Clintonworld would back him

      If you’re talking about the pro-Clinton base, yeah no.

      Also, I’ve heard that the traits attributed to the purity-parody/media chickenfucker version of HRC much more accurately described both Cuomo and Jeb!.

      • Lev

        Not the entire base, essentially just family loyalists. You know, like Jeb! got.

        • ForkyMcSpoon

          Problem is that there will likely be other candidates who could lay claim to the Clinton loyalists.

          McAuliffe has the most history with them, but Gillibrand holds her Senate seat, and Kaine was her VP pick.

          So why exactly would Clinton loyalists flock to Cuomo? Because they’re supposedly all neoliberal centrists who hate the left? But I figure the more accurate negative stereotype of them would be unprincipled party hacks focused on winning. In which case Cuomo is the wrong horse to bet on.

      • StillWithHer

        Given how enthusiastic Clinton is for him and me how enthusiastic they are for her, yeah, the Clintonites will “Go With Cuomo”

    • FMguru

      He seems like a good match for NPR-listening “socially liberal but fiscally conservative” upper middle class types. You know, the ones who think David Brooks makes some good points much of the time.

      Not enough of those to secure a nomination, but there is a constituency for him.

      • Murc

        This is Cuomo’s modus operandi, in fact. He uses his liberalism on social issues as a shield against doing all the other stuff he doesn’t want to do.

        • Lev

          Because he’s following Bill Clinton’s playbook. Clinton is his idol and who he wants to be when he grows up. It never occurred to him that what worked in the context of early 1980s Democratic politics may not be such a good idea in the 2010s. I suspect he’ll learn this soon.

          • jmauro

            But even Clinton couldn’t run on the “Clinton Playbook” anymore. The world where that worked has long since pasted.

            • Q.E.Dumbass

              “pasted”

              • jmauro

                “passed”. I was flipping between “past” and “passed” in my head when writing this so my brain split the difference.

                • efgoldman

                  my brain split the difference.

                  You’re supposed to blame it on autocorrect

                • Colin Day

                  Responding to efgoldman

                  You’re supposed to blame it on autocorrect Comey.

          • ForkyMcSpoon

            But Clinton didn’t campaign or govern on using social liberalism to shield him from criticism on economic centrism.

            I mean, yeah he tried with gays in the military… but when the going got tough, we got Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and DOMA.

            And the crime bill, and Sista Soulja…

            Doesn’t seem like the same playbook to me.

      • JKTH

        He can hold his rallies in a walk-in closet then.

    • sleepyirv

      Considering how many candidates are running in 2020, I don’t see why moderates wouldn’t back, say, Cory Booker, instead of a lesser Cuomo.

      • PunditusMaximus

        The idpol class warriors are gonna love (1) Booker on the issues, and (2) calling anyone who disagrees with Booker on the issues racist.

        God, the next few years are going to be tiresome.

        • Matty

          idpol

          There are reasons to not like Booker, but goddamn if “idpol” isn’t one of those words that indicates the speaker shouldn’t be taken seriously.

          • PunditusMaximus

            Certainly not by Dems who back bankster impunity.

            • Matty

              Yes, because I’ve often gotten in to arguments with elected Dems from finance-heavy states on these internets, and all of them have said “but you have to vote for me because of idpol!” Certainly, that sort of exchange isn’t the product of a fevered imagination.

              • PunditusMaximus

                Why, it’s almost as though people who are dismissive of an argument have a slangy shorthand for it sometimes!

        • StillWithHer

          You are overlooking the very real possibility of Zuckerberg running and us all having to deal with 50 articles from Ortberg and Chait day about how people who don’t support him are rabid anti-semites.

          • PunditusMaximus

            Don’t forget half of the commentariat here.

        • ForkyMcSpoon

          God, the next few years are going to be tiresome.

          Well, at least I know this isn’t one of your lies for the cause.

          • Q.E.Dumbass

            The kicker is: If you consider yourself a True Progressive; see a primary field that has Gillibrand, Harris, Booker & Cuomo as frontrunners; dismiss the former two because reasons and choose Cuomo over Booker…well, being a posturing clownfraud that’ll fall for anyone kissing his ass is the most charitable explanation. Point being that this scenario has an obvious out you could ride a blue whale through.

            • PunditusMaximus

              I’m so old I remember when HRC’s folks accused anyone of voting for Obama in the ’08 Primary of sexism, too.

              • StillWithHer

                Obama Boys

    • Rob in CT

      Here’s the thing: whatever Hillary Clinton’s faults were, I don’t think anyone can claim she wasn’t a loyal Democrat.

      Cuomo fails to clear even that bar.

      • StillWithHer

        We need someone who can work across the aisle.

        • PunditusMaximus

          I mean, can you imagine a purity troll as President?

          • StillWithHer

            I want to start Cuomobro as a thing

            • PunditusMaximus

              #CuomoIsMyAbuelo

              • StillWithHer

                In Africa, they call him Brother Andrew

                • PunditusMaximus

                  In Malta, they call him Mr. Outstanding.

                • ForkyMcSpoon

                  Do you two need someone to bring you a towel?

                • StillWithHer

                  I think all the jizz stain towels are being used for the anti-Cilizza circlejerk, so…I am good.

    • Aexia

      David Sirota is going to write a piece about how Andrew Cuomo is the only moral choice for the Democratic nomination.

  • D.N. Nation

    I’d be just fine if no candidate from New York and environs were the Democratic candidate, but I’m feeling pretty certain that primary voters will take care of that for me.

    • Q.E.Dumbass

      So basically, Kamala or Warren for 2020?

      • D.N. Nation

        Sounds good, roll tide.

    • Lev

      Gillibrand would be more than acceptable to me, though she is from upstate. Maybe the issue is politicians from NYC and Westchester?

  • ochospantalones

    So he supports Democrats, he just doesn’t support Democratic state senators voting for the senate Democratic leadership?

  • Murc

    The traitor Dems in Albany have been a perennial embarrassment to our state for far, far too many year.

    The political background for those who don’t know… this:

    Cuomo, the head of the state party who is believed to have 2020 presidential aspirations, referred to the chaos and dysfunction the last time the Dems controlled the chamber in 2009-10.

    is true, but the way he’s using it makes it a lie.

    After the 2008 elections, Democrats achieved a majority in the State Senate. At which point four traitor Democrats promptly stabbed us in the face, voted against our majority leader, and installed the Republicans into power. It caused an enormous, chaotic crisis. That crisis was precipitated by Republicans, not us.

    After 2010, when the Republicans won control back outright, our chief election strategist (!) resigned his leadership posts (leaving the campaign committee deeply in debt, might I add) and along with three other dudes sold their souls to Dean Skelos, Republican leader in the Senate, in exchange for committee chairmanships. They call themselves the “Independent Democratic Conference” and they’ve been Republicans ever since while continuing to enjoy the advantages the Democratic label brings with it.

    After 2012 and 2014, more traitor Democrats joined this appendage to the Republican Party. I don’t know how they keep doing it. There’s eight of them now, and they run on the Democratic line but enable Republican control. There is, I shit you not, wiretap conversations of Skelos and the head of the IDC admitting straight-up that the IDC will have no real power in the Republican caucus and basically exists only to keep Democrats divided. Didn’t change a thing.

    The state party needs to fucking purge these traitors but because this New York, we can’t have nice things. The bare minimum requirement of being a member of a political party should be to caucus with your party.

    • Lev

      Sounds pretty shitty, but it does give you the advantage of precognition in some ways. For example, you can always predict that the GOP Senate leader is only a few years away from being in prison. Because it’s always true!

    • SIS1

      After the 2008 elections, Democrats achieved a majority in the State Senate. At which point four traitor Democrats promptly stabbed us in the face, voted against our majority leader, and installed the Republicans into power

      This is factually FALSE.

      The Four Amigos successfully blackmailed the Democratic Conference into getting several important committee chairmanships (Kruger getting Finance, Espada getting Housing), and it was 2 of these Amigos (Espada and Monserate) who allied with the Republicans to carry out the 2009 Coup.

      You forgot to mention that to end the Coup, the Democratic Majority at the time allowed Espada to come back into the fold as Majority Leader (so, paying his treason with the same fancy position the Republicans had promised and given him). You also leave out that in doing this, they essentially created a 4 headed leadership with Sampson as ‘Conference Leader’, the man with the real power, Smith still President Pro Tempore (Smith was the leader that the coup was carried against. He wasn’t particularly popular, which is why his own conference decided to dump him as conference leader, but they couldn’t dump him entirely because their legal position vis a vi the coup required them to keep Smith in his place), Espada as Majority Leader, and Klein (the strategist you call a traitor) as the Deputy Majority Leader.

      Fun fact, out of these four men, the only one NOT in prison now is Klein. And its not like the Senate Democratic Conference was unaware of the ethical issues with both Espada and Sampson at this very time.

      Why bother with the rest when the start is so wrong.

    • Brett

      I like the Independent Democratic Conference wikipedia page:

      Current members[edit]
      Jeffrey D. Klein, Independent Democratic Conference Leader & Majority Coalition Leader[34]
      David J. Valesky, Deputy Independent Democratic Conference Leader for Legislative Operations[34]
      David Carlucci, Independent Democratic Conference Whip[34]
      Diane Savino, Independent Democratic Conference Liaison to the Executive Branch[34]
      Tony Avella, Assistant Conference Leader for Policy and Administration[34]
      Jose Peralta[35]
      Jesse Hamilton[36]
      Marisol Alcantara[37]

      Save this list. These people will be voted out. Save their names before they run away. ALL OF THEM WILL FALL.

  • Harkov311

    I agree, but I have to wonder: just who the hell in the Democratic primary electorate would chose him? Especially if a more appealing and viable alternative is available? What demographic in the party does he supposedly appeal to? He’s a got a lot of buzz, but that buzz doesn’t seem to be accompanied by any actual enthusiasm.

    • Nick never Nick

      In my opinion, by 2020, Democrats are not going to be in a fractious, ideological mood (comment threads here notwithstanding). The Democrat who becomes the nominee will do so not because of ideology, but because they succeed in developing a narrative that they are likely to win, that feeds on itself. If you look at Cuomo in that light, he probably has a route to victory, just don’t know how likely it is.

      • CP

        In my opinion, by 2020, Democrats are not going to be in a fractious, ideological mood (comment threads here notwithstanding).

        I seriously hope that’s true.

      • djw

        In my opinion, by 2020, Democrats are not going to be in a fractious, ideological mood (comment threads here notwithstanding).

        It’s plausible this will be the case, but nothing is ever stable. For this to continue to be the case, the candidate will need to be someone who looks at least vaguely ideologically acceptable to various factions, even if you have to squint a bit. Of the dozen or so remotely plausible names I’ve seen floated, Cuomo is the one who seems most likely to struggle to pass this test.

        ETA: just because the electorate thinks they’re picking based on electability doesn’t mean they aren’t choosing on their preferred politics/ideology. It’s not just pundits who over-estimate the popularity of their own worldview.

        • ColBatGuano

          And if the 2018 elections go the Dems way, I can see a fairly bloody primary as a lot folks line up to try and take on T-Rump.

    • Q.E.Dumbass

      Probably those lefties who stumped for Edwards in ’08, or the Michael Tracey types. Either way, seeing who defends Cuomo’s leftist credentials in the 2020 primary field (which is likely to include Gillibrand, Harris & Booker) will be a great way to find out who should never be listened to on anything, ever.

      • ForkyMcSpoon

        Michael Tracey will back Cuomo as the only one who can defeat Gillibrand, Booker and/or Harris.

        Nevertheless, the Young Turks/Intercept crowd will continue to consider him a leftist in good standing.

        ETA: Checking in on Mr. Tracey, and I find that he is saying Obama endorsing Macron is foreign interference, which makes Obama just like Putin interfering in our election.

        Because of course he is.

        • Q.E.Dumbass

          Unlike with Fang, Jilani and TYT, I can’t recall anything Tracey’s done that’s indicated him to be a credible leftist. And he was a Rand Paul partisan, no?

          In fact, it’s been remarked that Michael Tracey is basically Glenn Greenwald with nothing resembling redeeming qualities.

          • ForkyMcSpoon

            And yet he has a gig working for TYT, which purports to be a leftist organization

            ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

            • Q.E.Dumbass

              I don’t recall it being insane while it was covering the 2012 campaign on Current TV. I figure the deterioration is a rather recent phenomenon?

              • ForkyMcSpoon

                I’ve never followed them (I would see a clip here and there), but they didn’t seem insane before.

                I mean, I did hear about Cenk’s sexism and Armenian genocide skepticism in the past.

                But I only really started seeing this type of vile idiocy coming from them since 2015.

    • Lev

      If Mark Zuckerberg runs as a Dem in 2020, I think whatever odds Cuomo has go to zero. Cuomo will never get the true believers and Zuck will have more cash to pay the mercenaries. Who else is there?

      • John Revolta

        I don’t see Zuckerberg running for Gov. Why would he bother? Trump showed everybody you don’t have to work your way up the ladder anymore.

        • John Revolta

          Uh unless you meant “runs for Prez”. Never mind.

  • Nick never Nick

    You know, I would take Cuomo over Lieberman. Thoughts?

    • N__B

      Lieberman’s alive?

    • John Revolta

      My cat’s breath smells like cat food.

      • Nick never Nick

        Funny, I was just thinking of Homer drinking the Cat’s Ear Medicine.

    • ForkyMcSpoon

      I’d probably take him over Jim Webb and Lincoln Chafee.

      Another Democrat I’d prefer Cuomo to: Sheriff David Clarke.

      • Q.E.Dumbass

        Isn’t Lincoln Chafee more ineffectual that actually awful, however? In that case I’d take Chafee over him. Webb is a coin toss, and Sheriff Clarke is the only one who’s definitely worse than Cuomo.

  • Morse Code for J

    At least Cuomo wouldn’t tell us that he doesn’t really consider himself a Democrat, even as he cheerfully accepts the brand, the money and the volunteer labor. Or talk about how substandard the ACA is and how we really need Medicare-for-all, when the only options available are preserving the ACA or losing it.

    Also, who the motherfuck are these nine Democrats who caucus with Republicans in the state Senate and are still allowed to run as Democrats?

    • Murc

      Also, who the motherfuck are these nine Democrats who caucus with Republicans in the state Senate and are still allowed to run as Democrats?

      They’re people who, bafflingly, keep winning their primaries.

      Well, okay. I think one or two of them didn’t turn traitor until after they were elected. But basically their local party keeps putting them up and they keep winning.

      • SIS1

        Here is a thought – maybe the win because [drumroll], THEY ARE POPULAR IN THEIR OWN DISTRICTS…

        Perish the thought. I mean, two of them were primaried in 2014 and they won.

        • Murc

          Here is a thought – maybe the win because [drumroll], THEY ARE POPULAR IN THEIR OWN DISTRICTS

          Yes, but why?

          Seriously. What sort of Democrat is both politically engaged enough to vote in a primary, but also to keep voting for the guy who continually shoots the Democrats in the knees and caucuses with the Republicans? Who DOES that?

          • ForkyMcSpoon

            Republicans who are registered as Democrats?

          • People in on the same grift?

          • SIS1

            The sort of Democrats that made Bloomberg Mayor for 12 years?

            I thought it was a truism that the Democratic Party is the big tent party. In NYC, which is essentially a one party ‘State’ (the NYC council has 2 Republicans out of 51 seats currently), almost everyone is registered to the Democratic party. The Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox block vote is registered Democratic in NYC, even though they are deeply conservative.

  • nobody

    Also if we’re literally saying “anyone but Cuomo”, what about the likes of people like Joe Manchin, Jon Tester or Heidi Heitkamp?

    Is Cuomo really worse than any of these Red State Dems???

    • I would take Tester over Cuomo in a heartbeat.

      • nobody

        Interesting. What makes Tester better than Cuomo?

        • Aaron Morrow

          Liberalism Above Replacement values.

          Tester is more liberal than his home state.
          Cuomo is less liberal than his home state.

      • Davis X. Machina

        Heitkamp, or Manchin, will do or say awful stuff occasionally out of expediency, and part of that expediency is caused by where they represent. Move ’em around or up, they’d change.

        Cuomo would do less awful stuff, but out of conviction that it, and he, are simply right, and he’d do it wherever he found himself.

        • And he would do it for personal aggrandizement.

        • PunditusMaximus

          Manchin’s a True Believer in coal oligarchy and absentee landlordism.

          • mongolia

            aka he won a statewide election in west virginia

            • PunditusMaximus

              Basically.

          • StillWithHer

            Shouldn’t it be coaligarchy?

            • PunditusMaximus

              I have only myself to blame for missing that one.

    • Q.E.Dumbass

      Because Manchin, Tester & Heitkamp’s conservatism isn’t in the context of deep-blue states in which they are governors.

      SATSQ

    • mnuba

      Is Cuomo really worse than any of these Red State Dems???

      Red State Dems

      Red State

    • Lev

      In all likelihood, we couldn’t do better in those states than those folks.

      In arguably the most liberal Dem state in the country, it’s nuts to argue we couldn’t do better than Cuomo. David Paterson was better than Cuomo.

      • CrunchyFrog

        Cuomo is the best the GOP can do in New York State. They’re glad they have him there. He’s serving the GOP in the fine tradition of Joe Lieberman.

    • No Longer Middle Aged Man

      Much worse. Red state Democrats presumably are liked by their voters. A fair few of Cuomo’s voters simply despise him slightly less than outright racist scum like Carl Paladino.

    • farin

      Gillibrand was far to the right of where she is now when she represented a conservative district, but now that she has a liberal statewide constituency she’s reliably liberal. Red state Dems at least have a chance of proving themselves respectable on a nationwide ticket, while Cuomo’s already proven that he can’t be trusted even in a left-of-center state.

    • Rob in CT

      1. NY is not a Red State.
      2. Are Manchin, Tester or Heitkamp going to run for the nomination?

    • efgoldman

      what about the likes of people like Joe Manchin, Jon Tester or Heidi Heitkamp?

      I don’t see any circumstance, realistic or fantasy, where any of then announces a presidential run.
      Cuomo is the governor of a solid bright blue state. New York ain’t W Virginia.

      • djw

        It wouldn’t completely blow my mind if Tester ran. (And like Erik I’d probably support him over Cuomo.) The other two obviously won’t be.

  • Socrets

    To think, if Trump hadn’t been elected, then Preet Bharara would never have been fired and Cuomo 2020 would have been a punchline to a joke.

  • nobody

    Also how does Andrew Cuomo compare to George Pataki?

    If I recall, Pataki was socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Is Cuomo kind of like him?

    • John F

      Pataki was left of party
      Cuomo is to the right of his

      Cuomo is to the left of Pataki, but I think they are closer to eachother than either man is to his party’s current center.

  • stonetools

    Personally, I’m for a broad tent and will vote for anyone who will help the Republicans anywhere, anytime, anyhow. My rule is win the football game, anyway we can.
    That said I think there are better choices coming out of NY. I’m beginning to like Eric Schniederman, the state AG. He has already promised to challenge the ACHA if it becomes law. Don’t think of him as Presidential but looks like US AG material.

  • StillWithHer

    Don’t really get the Cuomo hate. He is a Progressive Who Gets Things Done™. He just needs to round out the ticket with a safer, more Centrist pick like Cory Booker.

    • ColBatGuano

      Needs more sarcasm tags.

      • humanoid.panda

        Need to ban him and the other troll

        • PunditusMaximus

          Dude it’s a pie filter. You don’t like people left of you having opinions and sometimes being more right than you. That’s fine. Edit us out and move on.

          • Q.E.Dumbass

            Phil Perspective is widely considered an ass around these parts, but he’s never been under any serious consideration for the banhammer.

          • So I understand that you think that people here despise you because you’re to the left of them, but I want to assure you that isn’t the case. I’m to your left and I think you blow. Hopefully I can help you understand where you’re going wrong.

            There’s a long way and a short way of explaining why people don’t like you around here. The long way goes like so:

            1) Most of your comments are redundant. I think over 50% of your comments include the words “Republican daddies”.
            2) You have no understanding of your audience. “Democrats shouldn’t appoint Republican daddies” could be the motto of this blog, and yet you say it again and again.
            3) When you’re not copy-and-pasting slogans that nobody here needs to be reminded of, you mostly indulge in uninteresting single sentence comments along the lines of “Republicans are all sociopaths!” and “White people sure are dumb!”
            4) When not posting needlessly antagonistic “suck it, Obots” spam or bland uninteresting “I sure am left-wing” spam, you mostly post about what a huge-dicked pure beautiful leftist you are and how everyone else here sucks.
            5) You have absolutely nothing interesting to say on the subject of left-wing politics. Even your buddy Ollie occasionally manages to hork up something ignorant on the topic of Marxism. You just blubber right-on slogans peppered with aggrandizement.
            6) You’re a self-admitted troll.
            7) You’re too stupid and self-indulgent to make an entertaining troll.
            8) You make upwards of a dozen comments on nearly every thread, which makes you too prolific to profitably ignore even with the pie filter.

            The short way goes like this: you’re a tiresome chode who contributes nothing other than noise. Level up or GTFO.

            • StillWithHer

              You should honestly be embarrassed that you got Mad Online™ enough to write that. That was cringe material of a kind it is rare to find even on the LGM cringe factory floors.

              Also, btw, what is it with people trying to claim to be “to the Left” of people they also think are commie purity trolls? The idea of people they don’t like being “to the Left” of them sure gets some people hetted up to post the kind of thing that probably qualifies them for entrance to a psychiatric hospital.

              • sonamib

                Also, btw, what is it with people trying to claim to be “to the Left” of people they also think are commie purity trolls?

                It’s just that people get annoyed when a troll self-declares himself as “leftier” without anything to back it up. At the end of the day, those grand self-declarations are just a form of identity politics. Shouting the right slogans and picking fights with liberals makes you “leftier”. Form matters more than content.

                For context: I, for one, believe that coops run by workers should replace shareholder-owned corporations. I believe in open borders, and that people should f’ing chill out about their allegiance to a specific nation, and take that allegiance much less seriously. I believe that discrimination against women and racial and sexual minorities should be specifically addressed, by, among other things, creating public agencies with the means to investigate workplaces and punish those who engage in harrassment and discriminatory hiring. I believe in drastically reducing the use of prison sentences. I believe in a radical redistribution of wealth, and in mecanisms that ensure it does not reconcentrate in the hands of a few people.

                But hey, I recognize that none of those things are anywhere close to happening, and I’m willing to compromise with people who have different but still similar views to mine! So that makes me a dirty centrist or something, and I probably need someone to shout out empty slogans to make me come back to the righteous path.

                TL;DR: I agree with stepped pyramids

                • StillWithHer

                  But hey, I recognize that none of those things are anywhere close to happening, and I’m willing to compromise with people who have different but still similar views to mine!

                  There is a universe of difference between being willing to support the Lesser Evil and emotionally identifying with the Democrats to the point that you instinctually get your back up over any critique of them from the Left.

                  I have magically been able to do the former without resorting to the latter.

                  The difference matters and is suggestive of people’s true emotional allegiances.

        • Q.E.Dumbass

          NMAC, Nov. 2016: Clearly the only reason someone could think Sam Kriss’ Slate piece is stupid is ANTI-SEMITISM

          NMAC/SWH: Corporatist Dem whores are so libtarded with their accusations of anti-Semitism

          • StillWithHer

            What is a “corporatist Dem whore”? Seems like anyone who would use that language, even as an accusation that someone else had, would be sexist.

    • ForkyMcSpoon

      Would make more sense if Cory Booker were more centrist than Cuomo, and I don’t know of any reason to think that.

      You’re not even trying. How about a more centrist pick with swing state appeal… like Virginia’s Jim Webb?

      • StillWithHer

        Jim Webb is too soft on foreign policy. He wouldn’t continue the HRC legacy of supporting every possible military intervention the Pentagon and Republicans could dream up.

        But much more importantly, he dared to openly criticize the Slay Qween.

  • nobody

    It’s interesting to hear that Loomis and djw support Tester over Cuomo. Admittedly I don’t know much about Tester but I do know that he is from a deep Red State that voted overwhelming for Trump. So I figured he was a Joe Manchin type Democrat, just because he has to be to win.

    If Tester ran, could he actually have a chance? Or would he be too “centrist” and flame out in the primaries?

    Also speaking of Red State Dems:
    Steve Bullock – Gov MT
    Jon Bel Edwards – Gov LA
    Roy Cooper – Gov NC
    Jim Justice – Gov WV

    Any of these names better than Cuomo as well? And if so, are any of them viable in.a Democratic primary?

    A Red State Dem might be a good way to go if he has a chance to make Red States competitive.

    • You’re not nobdy, right?

    • Davis X. Machina

      Real abortion-rights issues with half of them.

      There goes the base, right there.

      (The Democratic base, as I need not remind folks, is not the people who comment on liberal and progressive blogs.)

    • Democrats don’t need to run a red state Democrat to win. It didn’t work in 2000 and it won’t work now.

      • It didn’t work in the sense that he couldn’t convince 5 Republican justices that he had more votes, or what?

        • PunditusMaximus

          In the sense that he didn’t carry his home state, while Obama, a blue-state Democrat, was entirely capable of winning.

          • Scott Lemieux

            In the sense that he didn’t carry his home state, while Obama, a blue-state Democrat, was entirely capable of winning

            HAHAHAHAHAHA Jesus Christ you’re a dumbshit. I mean, at most least people who bring up the “durr, Al Gore lost in Tennessee, durr” argument don’t provide the refutation themselves.

            • PunditusMaximus

              Man, a compliment like that will last me all week.

            • StillWithHer

              Maybe think about the fact that you are this emotionally affected by arguments about the fucking 2000 Presidential election and seek some help.

        • It didn’t work in that Gore didn’t pick up red states.

  • Brett

    I want him to run, so he can lose hard early on in the primaries. Have him raise some ridiculous sum of money (like $300 million) for his campaign from the shadiest set of rich donors, squander all of it on bad TV ads and fuck-ups in the debates, and then end up in 7th place in Iowa and 6th place in New Hampshire before dropping out – only to get sued because he’s somehow run up an unpaid $150 million campaign debt as well.

    • ForkyMcSpoon

      It would be great to see him do the Giuliani strategy of basically sitting out IA/NH/NV/SC in hopes of surging into the lead when Florida votes.

    • Davis X. Machina

      And Phil Gramm would laugh…

  • nobody

    Okay of the 4 Red State Dem governor’s I mentioned above, only Steve Bullock and Roy Cooper are pro-choice according to Google. So Jon Bel Edwards and Jim Justice are out.

    I know little about them, especially Bullock. I do know that Cooper squeaked by the hated McCrory although it took a while for him to concede.

    If Cooper ran and was viable, he could be an interesting choice. If he is popular in NC, he could carry NC which is huge. Anyone have any insights on Cooper?

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