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Has the Swamp Been Drained Yet?



Finally, a president willing to take on Wall Street:

Friday afternoon, Donald Trump traveled to the US Treasury Department where he’s expected to sign a new executive order. The order aims at making life easier for American companies that want to avoid corporate income taxes, relax regulation on some large financial institutions, and make it harder for federal regulators to wind down big banks that fail during a financial crisis.


Paired with the Trump-era surge in immigration arrests, potential deportation of a DREAMer, and broad attacks on judicial review the financial services executive order is meaningful primarily for clarifying what the exact meaning of the rising clout of “globalists” inside the White House is.

National Economic Council chair Gary Cohn comes to the White House from a job as the number two official at Goldman Sachs. His version of globalism isn’t the high-minded humane cosmopolitanism that would, say, forestall massive cuts in the foreign aide budget or militate in favor of generous treatment of Central American families seeking refuge from gang violence. It’s the globalism of Goldman Sachs which wants light-touch regulation of the financial sector, plenty of room for multinational corporations to engage in tax chicanery, and no major trade wars that would threaten US-based financial services companies ability to compete for market share internationally.

A little protectionism here and there for the steel industry is fine as long as things don’t get out of hand.

But there’s no real economic populism here. Trump’s alternative to technocratic liberal bank regulation is bank regulation pursued in the interests of the banking industry. Formally repealing bank rules through legislation will be difficult, and even rolling back regulations through executive action could be hard. But Trump can and will appoint like-minded business friendly officials to key regulatory posts, and they can simply regulate the industry laxly.

Still, Obama once rode on a yacht after leaving office, so the lesson is that Both Sides Do It but the Democrats are worse.

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  • You forgot that Hillary gave speeches to investment bankers, so that’s even worse.

    • MPAVictoria

      Something can be bad on its merits and still be better than something else….

      • sigaba

        What was bad about Hillary’s speeches to GS again?

        • Dennis Orphen

          “If you can’t take their money, drink their booze, screw their women, and look them in the eye and vote against them, you don’t belong here.”

          -Jesse Unruh

        • Warren Terra

          They turned out to be a political liability as used and discussed by her opponents. Although you could say the same about her brief illness, her general demeanor, her clothing, her breathing, her existing …

          • Ask Me Gently

            Don’t forget her voice.

            Apparently whole constituencies stayed home because of her voice.

            ETA: Hey! Edit button!

          • NonyNony

            The fact that she was a woman…

            • petesh

              Surely not!

          • Q.E.Dumbass

            The kicker is that by October they were pretty much irrelevant — i.e., a legitimate blunder on the merits ended up being more or less a total nonfactor.

        • TVTray

          Goldman Sachs is bad, sigaba.

      • Nobdy

        The attention was totally disproportionate and the speeches were irrelevant in comparison to Donald Trump, who was always obviously going to be in the pocket of every big business who wanted to buy him.

        Clinton’s molehills were always put into forced perspective where they seemed to loom over Trump’s mountains.

        • Ask Me Gently

          Seen from the gutter, molehills become McKinleys Denalis.

    • John Revolta

      My God, did she? How come nobody ever said anything about THAT??

      • I dunno, the corporate media were just strangely uninterested.

    • efgoldman

      You forgot that Hillary gave speeches to investment bankers

      Didn’t we already have the required daily argument about this a couple of threads down?
      Repetitive and boring. On the other hand, relitigating the primary is almost a sure guarantee of enough clicks to get to a TBogg unit.
      Yeah, I know, it’s not my blog….

      • StillWithHer

        We haven’t gotten to the “People who hate Goldman-Sachs secretly hate Jews even though most of them loved Bernie Sanders” level of wank yet, so this isn’t quite top-notch LGM idiocy yet.

        • …that’s not the reasoning here. It’s more “people who only ever cite GS while talking negatively about Wall Street while eliding every single bank without a Jewish sounding name, plus blame Debbie Wasserman Schulz for the Democrats’ losses in 2010 when she wasn’t even DNC chair, plus blame Haim Saban for a bunch of shit he has no control over, just might have a slight, if possibly unconscious, inclination towards anti-Semitism.” I have seen the same people do all three of these things on this very blog.

          …I have just been informed that this person may be a Poe, so maybe this was pointless.

      • TVTray

        Ah, TBogg. RIP

    • Plus, the private email server. Definitely dodged a bullet there.

      In conclusion, as Scott said, both sides do it but Democrats are worse.

  • I remember waking up every day during the Bush Administration shaking my head at the fact that this country elected him (twice). Little did I know that I would later be inhabiting a reality in which Donald Fucking Trump would be president.

    • PunditusMaximus

      Yeah, Dubya’s reelection changed my understanding of conservatism. Tr45 taking the GOP nom changed my understanding of politics.

      • JonH

        Trump taking the GOP nom and the presidency changed my understanding of America. And it wasn’t seen through rose-colored glasses to begin with.

        • Chetsky


        • Nobdy

          My country and especially it’s citizenry.

          To some degree I feel like my whole life has been learning that nope, there are no mature, smart, adults in charge and I have overestimated the competence and intelligence of the people around me. Obama was, of course, a respite from that, but it turns out he was just setting me up for a gut punch.

          Voting for Trump was such a monumentally stupid, destructivr, irresponsible thing to do that I cannot view my fellow citizens the same ever again.

          I cannot conceive of a Trump voter who is not at least one of: stupid, bigoted, incredibly selfish, or so naive as to be functionally stupid. Knowing so many people around me have those flaws is very scary.

          • efgoldman

            I cannot conceive of a Trump voter who is not at least one of: stupid, bigoted, incredibly selfish, or so naive as to be functionally stupid.

            You left out dead stone racist.

            • Well, I suppose that’s covered under bigoted, but if we’re being that specific, misogynist definitely needs to be mentioned too.

              • Nobdy

                All of this stuff (add islamophobic) was intended to be covered by bigoted. If we catalog the bigotry of Trumpists we may be here all day.

                • That’s basically what I figured.

                • efgoldman

                  If we catalog the bigotry of Trumpists we may be here all day.

                  As if we’re not?

                • LGM often reminds me if that tragedy by Euripides – The Trojan Women IIRC – which consists of the women of the Trojan elite standing around and being brought news of the killings of their menfolk and children. Surprisingly, it works as a play.

                • Hogan


          • Mike G

            There are lots of mature, smart, adults out there — it’s just that they are frequently shunted aside from being in charge by stupid braggarts and bullies.

    • SatanicPanic

      Is Trump really worse than GWB though? I guess the GWB admin was less racist, and he did manage to get some bills passed BUT those bills were crap I didn’t want and the Iraq War was one of the worst foreign policy decisions in our nation’s history. Maybe the worst. Plus the response to Hurricane Katrina. I mean, I get that Trump is trashy and a deeply stupid man, even dumber than GWB, but it’s not impossible to me that history will look at the two presidencies as a Buchanan/Pierce kind of draw. Then again, it’s early. Man I hate that this is a question.

      • Nobdy

        In terms of governance it is way too easy to judge Trump but the open racism of Trump’s campaign, and his misogyny, damaged the country irrespective of policy.

        George Bush was bad on race, misogynist, and a horrible manager of the country, but he did not set back the country in the same fundamental way.

        • SatanicPanic

          I want to agree with you, but man that is a lot of death GWB caused and continues to cause in the Middle East.

          • Yep, but as you said, Tangerine Torquemada hasn’t even had 100 days yet. I’m sure he’ll match GWB soon enough.

            Then again, presidents can also be bad in different respects. LBJ was terrible on foreign policy, for example, but his domestic policy was mostly awesome. We just have excellent reasons to be Kim Jong Orange to be horrible in all respects, but it’s possible he’ll be worse than Bush in some but not in others.

            • N__B

              Once he bungles his way into Korean War II, GWB’s death toll will not seem so bad.

              • liberalrob

                You know, technically that war has never ended…

                • Ask Me Gently

                  I know! Let’s call it a surge.

              • Don’t forget Iran. Tillerson just certified that Iran was complying with the nuclear deal BUT that doesn’t count because Iran has not stopped meddling with its neighbours, which it never promised not to do, and no US ally in the nuclear deal ever expected to stop either. This is not heading in the right direction. Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons or dud missiles to put them on, but it can close the Straits of Hormuz to half the world’s oil tanker traffic tomorrow.

          • Nobdy

            I am assuming Trump will start a horrible war. If he doesn’t I am willing to consider him as potentially better than Bush.

            • SatanicPanic

              Yup, otherwise I agree that he’s already worse.

            • If Trump were to drop dead tommorow he would easily be the most corrupt, incompetent and dumbest POTUS in American history but not the most racist because Wilson and 19th century and not necessarily the most evil or disastrous because it’s still too early to judge on those points.

              • SatanicPanic


              • los

                … though much of what any politician does depends on circumstance.
                Without Mercer, Kushner, Murdoch, Bannon, McTurtle… Trump would just be a buffoon without even Priebus, Ryan, Nunes, Chaffetz…

                Lincoln wouldn’t be as well-remembered (taught in History classes) without having been dealt Southern secession.

            • GeoX

              I feel like “less-bad” would be a better word than “better.” We certainly wouldn’t want to imply any actual goodness.

        • George W. Bush was not openly racist and openly misogynist in the same way the shitgibbon is. He stuck to dog-whistles, while Cheeto Caligula uses an air-raid siren. And indeed, Bush actually spoke out against some of his party’s Islamophobia and racism against Latinxs/Hispanics. Can’t see Dolt 45 ever doing that.

          • I don’t know, though. Someday he might have a ten minute conversation with a Muslim or a Hispanic and come away saying that nobody ever knew that they’re not so bad as people.

            • Chetsky

              “and some of them, the 19-year-olds, are 9s, 9 1/2s”

            • los

              come away saying that nobody ever knew that they’re not so bad as people.

              Which he wouldn’t say about an oligarch, because he’d never have to allow any exception to his earlier generalization, “They’re sending us their worst bankers, fund managers, mafia bosses…”

          • Karen24

            When he was governor W was pretty good at keeping the Texas Republicans from diving head first into the racist crap that California indulged in at the time, and he was really good at appointing and promoting women. (See Myers, Harriet, for one example.) He was in his personal life comfortable with women and people of color. Trump, by contrast, apparently detests anyone who isn’t white and male and his advisors are even worse on this issue.

            • BigHank53

              W also put a great deal of time and effort into getting western drug companies to give HIV meds to African nations at or below cost. Nobody in the GOP would have blinked if he hadn’t bothered, and he didn’t trumpet the accomplishment at every turn, so one is forced to conclude that he did it because he thought it was the right thing to do.

              • Karen24


                Bush exemplified all the failings of trust-fund old money frat boys, but he also had some of their good points as well. Trump distills all the faults of inherited wealth AND new money. He never worked in his life but he also has no sense of noblesse oblige.

          • TVTray

            He killed over a million people!

        • CP

          In terms of governance it is way too easy to judge Trump but the open racism of Trump’s campaign, and his misogyny, damaged the country irrespective of policy.

          This. He’s given an “it’s okay to be racist now” signal of a degree that the racists hadn’t seen from the White House in seventy years. The amount of damage from that alone is incalculable.

      • Then again, it’s early. Man I hate that this is a question.

        Exactly. We haven’t even reach 100 days yet.

      • efgoldman

        Is Trump really worse than GWB though?

        Yes, absolutely.
        Persimmon Pustule has purposely left literally hundreds of jobs, in many layers, unfilled. No service secretaries, no undersecretaries, no assistant secretaries, no ambassadors, no staffs, literally between the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State and whatever mid-level civil service people are left – which isn’t many.
        These would be the people who communicate daily with their counterparts in other governments, who provide routine facts and analysis up the line to the cabinet and the WH, who keep the gears greased and the wheels turning. This is the great untold story of this maladministration. Some CPO in the Navy can pinpoint the Vinson’s location every minute, but nobody between him/her and the Secretary of Defense can pass the info on.

        • CP

          Yeah, it’s really really hard to communicate just how utterly incompetent, beyond anything we’ve seen in living memory, the guy is. I’m having trouble even thinking of freaking comic book villains or parody villains to compare him to. Nobody would even write a person who was this shockingly inept at everything.

          • Lex Luthor divested himself of his corporate holdings when he was elected president.

            The Giant Orange Toddler with Nukes literally has lower ethical standards than a comic book villain.

            • Ask Me Gently

              It’s easy to imagine future comic book villains being based on Trump. Many of his inner circle as well.

          • NonyNony

            More corrupt than Lex Luthor.

            Less competent than Paste-Pot Pete.

            This is what we has for our president.

            I need a drink.

            • Sev

              Also, Trump’s few appointees are actively destroying all of the actually useful parts of the government, obliterating data that has taken generations to collect and impressing all honorable, competent people that only a fool would ever work for the federal gov.

              • efgoldman

                Trump’s few appointees are actively destroying all of the actually useful parts of the government

                True, although with him, it’s impossible to tell if he’s doing it purposely or just out of ignorance and stupidity.
                I believe, except for Evil Leprechaun at “Justice”, he didn’t know any of the appointees – like with Gorsuch, somebody just handed him a list with names on it.

              • Morse Code for J

                I’m more than halfway to my pension, ergo I stay.

                I would imagine you will see even more pushback from within if this furlough happens next week with no end in sight. Be a real shame if someone at IRS were to get so mad about not being paid on time that he found and dumped El Heifer’s tax returns at Wikileaks.

                • guthrie

                  Don’t use wikileaks, it’s working for the russians since all the ethical folk left. So nothing like that would get leaked.

        • SatanicPanic

          He had a functionally evil state department though. Again, it’s early and I don’t put it past him, but Trump hasn’t started a massive new war that we’ll be involved in 15 years later… yet. I’m not defending Trump, I’m just saying that we shouldn’t gloss over the Bush admin’s real crimes because they were, on the whole, more competent than the Trump admin.

          • efgoldman

            He had a functionally evil state department though.

            Yes, and at first he listened to Darth and Rummy instead of the experts. But the experts were there, and the ambassadors, and all the others that are now missing. The departments were functional. The information flowed. It wasn’t some goddamned mentally deficient toddler acting on… what? Vibrations in the ether? The “shows”?

            • SatanicPanic

              I think not having experts will probably lead to disaster at some point, but so far it hasn’t. SO FAR. Whereas Bush did listen to experts and it lead to disaster.

              • liberalrob

                Bush did listen to experts

                Well, for certain values of “expert” anyway…

                • Aaron Morrow

                  Not the regular analysts, ambassadors and actual experts. I think it’s silly to call Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz experts without an “alt-” or “not” in front of the word.

              • Q.E.Dumbass

                He did at least ditch Rummy & Cheney in the second term, FW(L)IW.

              • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

                A fair amount of W’s decisions were based on him praying and deciding that’s what God was telling him to do.

                Apparently God hated America.

            • Nobdy

              He’s like a smart person.

              He listens to a lot of people. The television talky guys. Jared Kushner. Steve Bannon. The Chinese Premier sometimes.

              What can the CIA or some ambassador tell him that he can’t learn from Brian Kilmeade?

              • N__B

                He’s like a smart person.

                Only stupider.

            • liberalrob

              I find your lack of faith in the ability of Grand Vizier Jared Kushner to handle all these issues disturbing.

        • efgoldman

          To continue on this non-cabinet cabinet theme (I have no idea if this is real or fake. But that’s the problem now, isn’t it?)

        • randy khan

          The failure to appoint people is having some odd effects.

          One of the functioning agencies is the FCC, which currently is operating with 3 of its 5 commissioners. There’s a story going around that the Democratic commissioner, whose term ends on June 30 but for strange reasons actually could keep serving until December 2018 if she’s not replaced, is considering stepping down at the official end of her term instead of hanging around because she’s concerned about some things the 2 Republicans would do. If she did step down, the FCC no longer would have a quorum and would be unable to adopt any new rules or repeal any old rules until at least one new commissioner is confirmed, but the President, naturally, hasn’t nominated anybody for any of the vacancies. So, literally, if Commissioner Clyburn steps down, it might be impossible for the FCC to undo network neutrality, which is one of the Republican Party’s top priorities.

          • Incidentally, the FCC’s website has been a lot less reliable since the short-fingered vulgarian took office, which is inconvenient for me since I actually rely on it at work. I’m not sure if it’s just coincidence or not.

            I will laugh so hard if the shitgibbon’s incompetence makes another part of his agenda impossible to implement, though.

            • randy khan

              That seems unlikely – it’s run by career people at the agency.

              FWIW, I use it every day for work, too, and haven’t had any problems.

              • IIRC, only parts of it go down. The part with detailed TV station info (call signs, latitude/longitude, etc.) was down about four times within Feb-March. Of course, that’s the part my work most relies on.

                • randy khan

                  That’s a part of the site that I don’t use, so that would explain why I haven’t had the same experience. (Other people in my office use it, but I’m more a telephone-Internet-cable guy.)

          • efgoldman

            If she did step down, the FCC no longer would have a quorum and would be unable to adopt any new rules or repeal any old rules until at least one new commissioner is confirmed

            That’s essentially what the NLRB went thru when Yertle McTurtle refused to consider Obama’s nominees; which led to the recess appointments decision by SCOTUS, which in effect obliterated yet another black letter clause in the constitution.

            • los

              dysfunction/sabotage is not exclusively by Trump. The GOP en masse has been indulging.

            • randy khan

              The difference here is that it would be self-inflicted.

        • los

          efgoldman says:

          Some CPO in the Navy can pinpoint the Vinson’s location every minute, but nobody between him/her and the Secretary of Defense can pass the info on.

          Yes, but I’m still not hoping that Putin drops by and takes over the administrative branch in one executive order.

          /Humorously “framed” – I hope.

      • ap77

        Oh yes. So much worse. Bigly worse.

        Don’t get me wrong, Bush was terrible. But he didn’t unleash a deportation force or try to ban Muslims from entering the country. He didn’t, as far as I can recall, openly incite violence against political opponents. I never got the sense that Bush was going to start a war with North Korea over twitter. And so on.

        • Colin Day

          I never got the sense that Bush was going to start a war with North Korea over twitter.


          Twitter was only launched in March of 2006. Maybe W never really had the chance. Also, W was less narcissistic than Trump.

      • sibusisodan

        GWB caused damage by being bad at Presidenting. This damaged his party, as well as sections of his country. But it didn’t – broadly – do long term damage to US global status. Much of the developed world was itching to give the US another chance, hence Obama’s special lifetime achievement award for Not Being His Predecessor given in Oslo.

        Trump can cause all of that damage, plus another level: his ‘government by nihilist Dunning Kreuger’ approach moth-eats the fabric of the idea of governance.

        It rots support for basic good governance within the US (what Republican needs to have a better approach on policy and long term planning than Trump if Trump is electable?); it dramatically erodes US soft power abroad.

        • liberalrob

          GWB caused damage by being bad at Presidenting. This damaged his party, as well as sections of his country. But it didn’t – broadly – do long term damage to US global status.

          Oh, yes it did. The Iraq debacle was catastrophic, throwing away all the goodwill secured in reaction to 9/11. It was so bad that Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize just for talking about setting a new course. Don’t let the colossal damage Trump is doing to our image overshadow the very real damage GWB caused with his bungling and feckless mismanagement.

          • SatanicPanic

            Plus when Donald gets around to re-instating torture it’ll be because GWB laid the groundwork.

          • sibusisodan

            Yes, entirely correct. Perhaps I would have been less wrong to say that GWB’s catastrophes – damaging though they were to world opinion – were not sufficiently bad to exhaust a reservoir of goodwill towards the US in the developed world?

            I am not as confident about Trump.

            • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

              The mere fact that Trump was even the nominee, much less elected, is proof that a fair portion of the US population is nucking futs. This is obvious both to the rest of the US and to other countries.

              And there’s no real fix. We may get rid of Trump, but the idiots will still be here, and they’re not going to learn from this experience.

              • The only way to fix it is by killing off the right-wing puke funnel, but unfortunately that would fail on First Amendment grounds. On the other hand, if they were shown to be actively advancing Russian causes at our nation’s expense, that would qualify as treason, wouldn’t it? So I guess that’s really our only hope.

      • so-in-so

        tRump may ask you to hold his beer (except he doesn’t drink, nor did Bush). Bush gave the speech about Islam not being the problem after 9/11, Chump bombs Syria because he saw a photo of gassed children, but photos of drowned children don’t change the calculus of banning refugees. I don’t see him giving a similar speech, so that alone is a point toward Bush. Bush staffed agencies with hacks and idiots, Chump only staffs the top level (and most of those are worse idiots).

        My money is on Chump being worst, if we survive to actually compare.

      • One thing I feel hasn’t been mentioned in any of the discussions above is that Manhattan Mugabe’s administration is just actively malevolent in a manner I don’t think Bush 43 can be accused of being. Say what you will about Bill Maher (he’s frequently a dick himself), but this monologue about the Shitgibbon Administration pretty much sums up how I feel about some of it. There are no explainable reasons for these policies to be passed other than “pissing off liberals”; there are no benefits to be had to anyone unless you consider spite to be a benefit. Cleek’s Law now governs the country to an historically unprecedented extent, basically.

      • wengler

        Well, Bush enacted steel tariffs just like Trump is maybe doing, so it looks like a well-worn Republican playbook now. By September we’ll have a devastating terrorist attack, a forever war during which we will triumph dear leader, lots of torture(if the torture chambers aren’t being utilized already), and a devastated economy and wrecked political culture at the end of it.

    • Davis X. Machina

      Bill James’ distinction is useful here.

      Are we talking peak awful, or career awful?

      • randy khan

        Bush’s career Harm Above Replacement probably is higher than Trump’s right now, but that’s kind of like comparing (with apologies to the players involved) Mike Trout’s career WAR to, oh, Rusty Staub’s. Staub’s is higher, but he had a lot more time to get there.

        This has me pondering who would qualify as a 0 HAR President. Coolidge? Maybe Harrison? I’m not sure.

    • PunditusMaximus

      W was what the Republican Party shat out before there was an African-American President.

      Tr45 is the pus-filled sac that discharges from an infection that was never properly treated.

  • Brad Nailer

    Still, Obama once rode on a yacht after leaving office, so the lesson is that Both Sides Do It but the Democrats are worse.

    Did you hear?? Bernie “man of the people” Sanders just bought a vacation home! Fuckin’ liberals.

  • daves09

    OT, but concerning reptilian swamp creature.
    With all the hooing and hawing about the latest repeal and replace, international man of seriousity P. Ryan has been off in London advising legislators how to legislate instead of in Washington you know, legislating.
    Can anyone remember when the Speaker has essentially bailed on a major piece of legislation? God forbid that the media shoul,d even mention this when there’s Hillary and her awful, terrible, absolutely the worst campaign to talk about.
    Perhaps Paulie realizes his totally undeserved rep. can’t take too much more of the stink of failure.

    • so-in-so

      Maybe he hid the latest bill in the Tower of London, to keep Rand Paul from finding it…

    • efgoldman

      Perhaps Paulie realizes his totally undeserved rep. can’t take too much more of the stink of failure.

      Well, since word is he’s working with Nancy SMASH to produce enough of a “budget” to keep the eebil gummint from shutting down – again – and we know what happened to the last “speaker” who did that, maybe he decided to travel on congress’ dime for one last time.

    • daves09

      This just in; Trump-no hurry on health care.
      Repeal and replace must be well and truly fucked.
      Also Trump-I never said I was going to get anything done in the first hundred days.

      • los

        Do I hear two hundred? Two hundred?
        Four? Do I hear four?
        Six, six, six. Do I hear…

    • PunditusMaximus

      There is no GOP policy shop. Right now they have the best of all worlds — they have a black guy to blame for “Obamacare” and no capacity to offer a replacement. A few more kabuki passes and they’ll declare victory.

  • Nobdy

    Drain the Swamp was always just a catch phrase Trump used because it focus tested well. He didn’t even like it. Unlike some other broken promises (like the wall) I don’t think he ever even intended to make any attempts at this.

  • Hogan

    “Traveled to the US Treasury Department”? It’s literally one block away. Did he take Marine Corps One?

    • efgoldman

      Did he take Marine Corps One?

      A convoy of limos and “technical” trucks with machine guns and rockets.
      You wouldn’t expect him to WALK ::gasp::
      Maybe a sedan chair?

  • StillWithHer

    Still, Obama once rode on a yacht after leaving office, so the lesson is that Both Sides Do It but the Democrats are worse.

    The self pity on this blog has reached Chernobyl-like meltdown levels.

    • Davebo

      Fascinating observation. OK, not really but it must have taken guts! OK, not really but here it is.

      • StillWithHer

        Fascinating observation.

        Thanks. I will ignore your weak attempts at humor that followed.

        • Davebo

          I believe it was Lyle Lovett that said “You are a lonely weak, pathetic man if this is doing the best that you can”.

          But he still got the girl at the end of the song…

    • McAllen

      Equivocation between Republicans and Democrats helped lead to the worst political disaster in a generation. You can deal with some airing of grievances.

      • I’m not actually convinced that True Leftists™ can. If we blame anything other than the Democrats, we’re not focused on the right cause, apparently.

    • sharculese


      • Glad to see you around more these days, sharc.

        • TVTray

          I’m imagining you posting this while dining on a two identical pieces of birthday cake, right as the clock strikes midnight. Careful friend, or it will be hard to get out of bed in the morning!

    • Chetsky

      Listen, honey. I don’t give two flying fncks what your game is. Truly I do not. You had one of two choices in this election:

      (a) vote for the preservation of our Republic

      (b) vote for the White Supremacist Fascist (oh, but I repeat myself)

      Did you do your patriotic duty? B/c yaknow, that’s the only question that matters. It wouldn’t have mattered if the alternative to Dampnut was a ham sandwich — I’d have STILL voted for the sandwich. What about you? Eh?

      That’s #1. And what’s #2? White-boy, White-boy, don’t you EVER go trying to accuse our first African-American president of kow-towing to the money power, you piece of SH*T. WHAT EXACTLY WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF HE’D GONE ALL STOKELY CARMICHAEL? You really think he’d have LIVED? REALLY? REALLY?

      STFU, honky.

      • Chetsky

        Honkey p.o.s. has no idea what the rule of law is. No idea what it means for -any- pol to get to the point where s/he can actually be considered for presidency.

        Go back to raping your relatives, honky.

        • TVTray

          “Go back to raping your relatives, honky.”

          Oh, my. Mods? Where’s the frookin’ BanHamm0r when you need it?

          • StillWithHer

            Mods don’t care when commentators here egregiously insult anyone critical of the general Pro-DNC Pro-Centrist Pro-Clinton Party line.

      • PunditusMaximus

        Let’s stop even trying because the oligarchs will murder us if we do.

        • Chetsky
          • PunditusMaximus

            The Medicare Expansion was the beginning, middle, and end of these charts, and I agree that it was important, good policy. But as one of those insane #SinglePayerNow purists, I would say something socialist and hateful like that.

            • Chetsky

              Uh, no, that’d be single-neuron-disease victim #SinglePayerNow purists. B/c completely unaware of just how many people are gonna stand in the way of passing single-payer. Fools thinking it’s as simple as “everybody wants it” so it’s gonna pass.

              No shit I want single-payer too. I remember working in France and being covered by their health system. It was great. But the *idea* that all those companies, all those unions, and esp. all those -people- with their retirement portfolios, 401ks and pension plans, invested in health care stocks, are going to sit still for that …. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

              Tell us another one, gramps.

              • PunditusMaximus

                I’m well aware that it is Democratic Party orthodoxy that the oligarchy cannot be challenged successfully.

                • Chetsky

                  OK. Do you know the meaning of the phrase “loss aversion”? Oh and let’s note that -regardless- of what the vast mass of Americans think, the simple fact is that even in the Dem party, reps responnd more to voters with money. You know, the ones with 401ks. I’m not talking about the 1%. I’m talking about the top 20%. There are enough people there, that when they figure out their retirement plans are going south, will be very, very angry.

                  But really, that’s not the point. Let us suppose that it was even *possible*. Are you saying that Obama should have tried? Because he’d have been assassinated — you know that, right?

                • bobloblaw57

                  Obama would have been assassinated if he had tried to push single payer is a new one

              • efgoldman

                You were doing fine until you got to the point where Obama even mentioning single payer gets him assassinated.
                In fact, there was no constituency, EVEN IN THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS, for it. All the green lanterns in the world wouldn’t have got it thru. But that’s politics, and actual vote counting, and the Bros and purity ponies and their hero don’t DO politics, they do fantasy.

                • Chetsky

                  I was pointing out that in a world where he -could- have done it (i.e. his Dem congresscritters would have voted for it) he’d have been assassinated. Why do I believe this? B/c too many sacred cows getting gored.

                  No, I don’t believe his congresscritters would have voted for it — as has been endlessly debated here, the critical votes were guys like Nelson and Lieberman. But EVEN IF they could have been convinced, enormous monied interests would have have stood still for it.

                • TVTray

                  “In fact, there was no constituency, EVEN IN THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS, for it.”

                  Very strange, considering that Medicare for All is a very popular idea. What’s the deal with these Democrats?

              • TVTray

                “Tell us another one, gramps.”

                How old are you, Chet?

                • Chetsky

                  Sure as hell not old enough to remember that golden age when congresscritters accurately reflected the will of the citizenry, that’s for sure. Back in those good old days, a rich man couldn’t get a favor from a Dem congresscritter, b/c he only had one vote. Yepper, them were the days, gramps.

      • StillWithHer

        You must be legitimately mentally ill.

  • Lot_49

    One thing’s for sure: Trump won’t renege on his promise to eliminate the carried interest loophole for hedge fund managers.


  • DrDick

    The Trumpian kleptocratic agenda moves forward.

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