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https://twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/840980755236999169

Republicans are becoming more and more comfortable with admitting the GOP is the party of white supremacy. However, King’s little paean makes me wonder when they’ll start saying another quiet part out loud: The ability to wring as many babies as possible out of the bodies of white women and girls is an essential part of their plan to maintain and increase racial inequality.

Sure, it all stems from the hatred of, and desire to subjugate, women. But the concept of patriotic parturition would cut the need for po-facery about Life and Babies and the Ladies who are too stupid to know that they really do want to have a baby but at the same time can be trusted to care for an infant.

Patriotic parturition would also eliminate the hassle of arguing about birth control and skip straight to asserting that a white woman who fails to have babies is un-American. In fact, once they openly admit that white women are needed outbreed inner-city thugs, terrorists of color and cantaloupe-calved drug mules, a woman who fails to get pregnant is endangering the country. (And God help her if she has a baby with one of Them.)

As an added bonus, it will allow the bellicose chickenshits who infest the right wing to believe they’re fighting the war on terrorism every time they get a boner.

Update: Commentarian Nick Flynn shared this lovely mango.

I can’t tell if Wife With a Purpose is challenging women to make 6+ babies right now (supplies available at your local Hobby Lobby), or to provide proof they’ve made six at some point in their lives. At any rate, a photo of one child out of every three will be sufficient, apparently.

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  • Kinder Kuchen Kirche

    • MAJeff

      Huh , KKK.

    • (((max)))

      Ah, but closer to home would be to respond to ‘Wife With A Purpose’ with “Magda Goebbels sends her greetings”.

      max
      [‘Helga, Hildegard, Helmut, Holdine, Hedwig and Heidrun do not.’]

    • LosGatosCA

      Purity of American Aryan Essence.

      No völkerchaos for America.

      It all started with those people Ben Carson mentioned- the original illegal immigrants that boarded those ships from Africa hoping to find a white man to have children with. Now the problem has expanded to include sources of racial impurity from Mexico, the Middle East, as well as descendants from those African immigrants who haven’t been properly incarcerated.

      It’s the American Aryan Conservative Republican dream to live in the largest gated, racially pure community in the world.

      ETA – with unlimited guns and ammo to stave off the imaginary hordes of rapists and genetic defilers

  • vic rattlehead

    Wow. Wow. He really tweeted that? Holy shit. Next thing you know he’ll be tweeting that Dems like, I dunno, Sherrod Brown are beta cuck f***ots. Before the end of the year Paul Ryan will be called a white knight beta cuck by another Congressman.

    • aturner339

      King has been saying the quiet parts out loud for a while now. He’s the guy who demanded an interview answer either any other “group” had contributed as much to the world as whites and famously (and ironically) is a senator from Iowa with a Confederate Battle Flag in his office.

      Mo Brooks, Steve Scalisci, the alt right has been of the party for a while though Trump has emboldened them.

      • DrDick

        My thought as well. Saw that earlier and was not in the least surprised.

      • Steve LaBonne

        Hey Steve Dumbshit, agriculture and urban civilization were invented by ancient Middle Easterners, zero- without which very little of our mathematics would exist- by the Indians, algebra by the Arabs, paper and movable type by the Chinese…

        • PhoenixRising

          Yeah, best reply to ‘What have non-whites contributed to civilization?’ is obviously:

          Zero

          • weirdnoise

            +MDCCLXXVI

        • Ruviana

          Let me note that the Maya too “invented” zero though of course the “old world” didn’t know it at the time. And it preserves PhoenixRising’s observation.

          • DrDick

            Mexicans also gave us the largest crop in Steve King’s state. No Aztecs, no Iowa corn.

            • Steve LaBonne

              One of the most amazing feats of plant breeding in history.

              • weirdnoise

                Yup. Maize is just a species of grass artificially selected over centuries by natives of Southern Mexico.

                • muddy

                  I recently read that after NAFTA, the corn market in Mexico crashed because our government sponsored corn was so cheap and flooded their market. The Mexican corn farmers got fucked, and it was their damn seed in the first place. In this article it said that caused a lot of migration north!

                  Funny how you don’t often hear about NAFTA and the job loss going in that direction.

        • DocAmazing

          You have to remember that guys like Steve King actually believe that Egyptians look like Elizabeth Taylor.

          • Even the men!

            • DocAmazing

              Especially the men. They walked like Egyptians.

              • LosGatosCA

                The (Republican) party men call the Kremlin.

          • efgoldman

            guys like Steve King actually believe that Egyptians look like Elizabeth Taylor.

            Considering how long she’s been dead….

            • rea

              Cleopatra was Greek, anyway. Or at least Macedonian.

              • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

                I’ve always been amused (since I learned it) that the two Egyptians that the average American can name, her and Tut, were both from non-Egyptian families.

                • petemack

                  Surely there are three more from ancient times? Antony, Hapsephut, and Hepatia … not that this disproves your hypothesis.

                • bender

                  Tutankhamen/Tutankhaten was Egyptian. As was his wife Nerfertiti, she of the impossibly long neck.

                • rea

                  Tutankhamen/Tutankhaten was Egyptian. As was his wife Nerfertiti, she of the impossibly long neck.

                  She was his mom, not his wife.

          • Chetsky

            Now now, it’s well-established that Jesus was born in …. uh …. Sweden?

          • Mellano

            To be fair, he thinks the Greeks only used to look like Diane Kruger, but then the Asiatic hordes had their way with them.

          • los

            egypt collapsed when too many people posted cat photos to egyptnet.

            there were so many black pussies on egyptnet, that it made white pussy genocide!

            /(s)

          • los
          • ajay

            Reminds me of the tremendous fuss over “Exodus” having Rameses II played by a white actor (Joel Edgerton); the real Rameses II, of course, was not only pale-skinned but red-haired, so even less stereotypically “Egyptian” than Edgerton!

        • Hogan

          Stax Records and barbecue. I could go on, but why bother?

        • Captain Tau

          There are two possible interpretations here:

          1) King was saying that no non-whites have ever contributed anything to human civilization ever.

          2) King was saying that Europeans have contributed more than non-whites to human civilization.

          Or, if one wanted to be extra charitable, a third interpretation would be:

          3) King was saying that whites have contributed more per capita to human civilization than non-whites.

          It’s really remarkable that everyone who argued against him seems to have chosen to argue against position 1, for some unknown reason. An alternative perspective can be found here.

          • (((Malaclypse)))

            Also remarkable: that you assume that any of the three positions are true, despite the lack of evidence beyond your own bias.

          • Steve LaBonne

            You do understand that all of those propositions are complete bullshit, right?

            • DrDick

              No, understanding reality is outside his abilities.

          • NickUrfe

            Trying to answer a question like this is paradigmatically arguing with a fascist. Here are some sticky terms that the fascist already assumes definitions for: “non-white”, “white”, “European”, “contributed”, “human civilization”. Once you grant the fascist his definitions of these (which his question assumes you must) the argument is over. Ask him what he means by more than one of them, and the moronic, racist ‘argument’ dissipates.

            By trying ‘charitably’ to interpret a fascist, you allow him to enter an argument space to which he is not entitled. Hence the increasing importance of Nazi punching. Does anyone dispute that the best retort to Steve King would’ve been for one of the panelists to knock out two of his teeth? Not because violence is good when I disagree. But because, while they affect to seem it, fascists are not arguing genuinely with the rest of us. They convince people slowly to embrace or allow to be realized their own death wish.

            Trump 2020: “We’ll build BEAUTIFUL crematoria and make the JEWS pay for them!”

            • This. Especially:

              By trying ‘charitably’ to interpret a fascist, you allow him to enter an argument space to which he is not entitled.

            • Origami Isopod

              But if we don't at least give the poor fascist the opportunity to argue without a heckler's veto, we are undermining the entire liberal order! Why do you hate free speech?!

          • los

            #3… Perhaps as a post-renaissance time-snapshot, but 80 years from now, China might have become the Nirvana of cutting edge Earth-based tech… and multiple African countries have become the bizpages equivalent of “The Asian Tigers”.

            .
            / “Who could have known that Sioux Falls in 2090 would be Sollywood?” is a little long for the memebook title.

            • los

              Rep. Steve King Mentions the Empire Has No Clothes. 2016 Steve Sailer

              we see three professional talkers who can only sputter with mindless rage at Rep. King.

              Of course, Rep. King’s statement has been scientifically tested in Charles Murray’s Human Accomplishment. In my 2003 review, I wrote:

              In the sciences, 97 percent of the significant figures and events turned out to be Western. Is this merely Eurocentric bias? Of the 36 science reference books he drew upon, 28 were published after 1980, by which time historians were desperately searching for non-Westerners to praise.

              Only in this decade has the most advanced non-Western country, Japan, begun to win science Nobels regularly.

              Oops.
              Yes, cherry-picking time-periods is Professional Talkers Steve Sailer’s and Murray’s bias.
              … Especially when “Victors write the history.”

              Comments are closed.

      • UserGoogol

        And he said that on Chris Hayes so he wasn’t even talking to a sympathetic audience.

      • JMP

        Congressman from Iowa, not a Senator; but otherwise yeah, he’s always been one of most explicitly racist national political figures; in addition to statements others have pointed out, there was also when he said (of immigrants)

        For every one who’s a valedictorian, there’s another 100 out there who weigh 130 pounds—and they’ve got calves the size of cantaloupes because they’re hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert.

        If you can’t profile someone, you can’t use those common sense indicators that are before your very eyes. Now, I think it’s wrong to use racial profiling for the reasons of discriminating against people, but it’s not wrong to use race or other indicators for the sake of identifying people that are violating the law.

        • Warren Terra

          I’ve never really understood that complaint. I hear about these supposed 130-pound migrants hauling 75-pound bales of marijuana through the desert – long trek, hugely disproportionate load, extreme conditions, terrible danger from their employers and competitors, lousy or no pay except the chance to afterwards seek work in the USA – and I think that if these people actually exist, they must be awesome! Such determination! So much physical fortitude! Imagine all of that turned to a higher purpose, in a job in which they’re accorded respect and decent treatment! Who wouldn’t want someone capable of hauling a bale weighing the better part of their own weight all day in the desert working as a firefighter, or doing wilderness rescue? Or leaving their feats of endurance aside and just focusing on their work ethic, maybe they’d make a kick-ass accountant or comptroller! Or train as a nurse or a doctor! Why sneer at such paragons of reslience, such exemplars of the work ethic?

          • Q.E.Dumbass

            Jon Stewart demonstrated one time that 75 lbs. marijuana would actually be at least the size of a briefcase.

          • JMP

            I don’t understand why people are smuggling marijuana into the US when there’s plenty grown right here, in fact all over the place. Here I had thought the big drug for smuggling over the southern border was cocaine, the favorite drug of Wall Street and rich white douchebags in general.

            • Warren Terra

              Having seen Breaking Bad, I have the expertise to suggest methamphetamine is being smuggled across the border.

              • N__B

                As I remember BB, the meth was smuggled in on the backs of teams of trained tortoises.

                • DocAmazing

                  Along with heads.

            • Dennis Orphen

              I don’t understand why people are smuggling marijuana into the US when there’s plenty grown right here, in fact all over the place.

              Don’t believe everything you read or hear, keep using logic, as you have obviously done.

          • John F

            and I think that if these people actually exist, they must be awesome!

            Third world manual laborers/farmers really can perform physical feats that boggle us softened westerners (maybe not our ancestors). I was once peripherally involved in an insurance claim investigation in Tanzania- the mass theft of diesel fuel- the diesel fuel was being siphoned from excavation equipment at night, and carried off manually in jerry cans… one of the guards told us these guys could run carrying filled cans longer than the guards (who were also African – but very different lifestyle) could run empty handed…

            In my wife’s hometown (near Fuzhou) men would carry lumber down hills manually (after chopping tress down manually), all day long, 6 days a week… and we don’t even want to think about the physical labor performed by many women in the 3rd world.

            • Origami Isopod

              They might be able to perform these amazing feats, but not for that many years. Human bodies break down fairly quickly after a while of doing this kind of labor, especially in the absence of good medical treatment and nutrition.

    • Q.E.Dumbass

      He said on a Sunday Show back in November that the dearth of the “Aryan” phenotype proved the ultimate futility of the fight for Hellenic independence. So this is the exact opposite of surprising.

      Which reminds me: We’re not even halfway done with Why the Fuck Does Your State Suck?, but I have the feeling that “Steve King’s career” is all that needs to be said for the Iowa entry.

      • Origami Isopod

        the dearth of the “Aryan” phenotype proved the ultimate futility of the fight for Hellenic independence. So this is the exact opposite of surprising.

        What the shit even is that. Is he aware that non-“Aryan” peoples have won plenty of wars?

        • Q.E.Dumbass

          It was more along the lines of “Greece no longer has blonde chix, and that’s why it’s No Longer Great”…but of course he fucking doesn’t.

          • Bitter Scribe

            Greece has plenty of blonde chix.

            • Q.E.Dumbass

              A point not actually in dispute (hello, Melina Mercouri!), but not the phenotype stereotypically associated with Greece.

              • Little Chak

                The historical documentary Troy, starring Brad Pitt as the Greek hero Achilles, begs to differ.

                • Just to raise the tone around here a bit (and perhaps placate the Gods for my invocation of Marlon fucking Brando as Sky fucking Masterson).

                  The Shield of Achilles (W. H. Auden)

                  She looked over his shoulder
                  For vines and olive trees,
                  Marble well-governed cities
                  And ships upon untamed seas,
                  But there on the shining metal
                  His hands had put instead
                  An artificial wilderness
                  And a sky like lead.

                  A plain without a feature, bare and brown,
                  No blade of grass, no sign of neighborhood,
                  Nothing to eat and nowhere to sit down,
                  Yet, congregated on its blankness, stood
                  An unintelligible multitude,
                  A million eyes, a million boots in line,
                  Without expression, waiting for a sign.

                  Out of the air a voice without a face
                  Proved by statistics that some cause was just
                  In tones as dry and level as the place:
                  No one was cheered and nothing was discussed;
                  Column by column in a cloud of dust
                  They marched away enduring a belief
                  Whose logic brought them, somewhere else, to grief.

                  She looked over his shoulder
                  For ritual pieties,
                  White flower-garlanded heifers,
                  Libation and sacrifice,
                  But there on the shining metal
                  Where the altar should have been,
                  She saw by his flickering forge-light
                  Quite another scene.

                  Barbed wire enclosed an arbitrary spot
                  Where bored officials lounged (one cracked a joke)
                  And sentries sweated for the day was hot:
                  A crowd of ordinary decent folk
                  Watched from without and neither moved nor spoke
                  As three pale figures were led forth and bound
                  To three posts driven upright in the ground.

                  The mass and majesty of this world, all
                  That carries weight and always weighs the same
                  Lay in the hands of others; they were small
                  And could not hope for help and no help came:
                  What their foes like to do was done, their shame
                  Was all the worst could wish; they lost their pride
                  And died as men before their bodies died.

                  She looked over his shoulder
                  For athletes at their games,
                  Men and women in a dance
                  Moving their sweet limbs
                  Quick, quick, to music,
                  But there on the shining shield
                  His hands had set no dancing-floor
                  But a weed-choked field.

                  A ragged urchin, aimless and alone,
                  Loitered about that vacancy; a bird
                  Flew up to safety from his well-aimed stone:
                  That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third,
                  Were axioms to him, who’d never heard
                  Of any world where promises were kept,
                  Or one could weep because another wept.

                  The thin-lipped armorer,
                  Hephaestos, hobbled away,
                  Thetis of the shining breasts
                  Cried out in dismay
                  At what the god had wrought
                  To please her son, the strong
                  Iron-hearted man-slaying Achilles
                  Who would not live long.

                  The Shield of Achilles
                  W. H. Auden, 1907 – 1973

                  She looked over his shoulder
                  For vines and olive trees,
                  Marble well-governed cities
                  And ships upon untamed seas,
                  But there on the shining metal
                  His hands had put instead
                  An artificial wilderness
                  And a sky like lead.

                  A plain without a feature, bare and brown,
                  No blade of grass, no sign of neighborhood,
                  Nothing to eat and nowhere to sit down,
                  Yet, congregated on its blankness, stood
                  An unintelligible multitude,
                  A million eyes, a million boots in line,
                  Without expression, waiting for a sign.

                  Out of the air a voice without a face
                  Proved by statistics that some cause was just
                  In tones as dry and level as the place:
                  No one was cheered and nothing was discussed;
                  Column by column in a cloud of dust
                  They marched away enduring a belief
                  Whose logic brought them, somewhere else, to grief.

                  She looked over his shoulder
                  For ritual pieties,
                  White flower-garlanded heifers,
                  Libation and sacrifice,
                  But there on the shining metal
                  Where the altar should have been,
                  She saw by his flickering forge-light
                  Quite another scene.

                  Barbed wire enclosed an arbitrary spot
                  Where bored officials lounged (one cracked a joke)
                  And sentries sweated for the day was hot:
                  A crowd of ordinary decent folk
                  Watched from without and neither moved nor spoke
                  As three pale figures were led forth and bound
                  To three posts driven upright in the ground.

                  The mass and majesty of this world, all
                  That carries weight and always weighs the same
                  Lay in the hands of others; they were small
                  And could not hope for help and no help came:
                  What their foes like to do was done, their shame
                  Was all the worst could wish; they lost their pride
                  And died as men before their bodies died.

                  She looked over his shoulder
                  For athletes at their games,
                  Men and women in a dance
                  Moving their sweet limbs
                  Quick, quick, to music,
                  But there on the shining shield
                  His hands had set no dancing-floor
                  But a weed-choked field.

                  A ragged urchin, aimless and alone,
                  Loitered about that vacancy; a bird
                  Flew up to safety from his well-aimed stone:
                  That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third,
                  Were axioms to him, who’d never heard
                  Of any world where promises were kept,
                  Or one could weep because another wept.

                  The thin-lipped armorer,
                  Hephaestos, hobbled away,
                  Thetis of the shining breasts
                  Cried out in dismay
                  At what the god had wrought
                  To please her son, the strong
                  Iron-hearted man-slaying Achilles
                  Who would not live long.

                  And ships upon untamed seas,
                  But there on the shining metal
                  His hands had put instead
                  An artificial wilderness
                  And a sky like lead.

                  A plain without a feature, bare and brown,
                  No blade of grass, no sign of neighborhood,
                  Nothing to eat and nowhere to sit down,
                  Yet, congregated on its blankness, stood
                  An unintelligible multitude,
                  A million eyes, a million boots in line,
                  Without expression, waiting for a sign.

                  Out of the air a voice without a face
                  Proved by statistics that some cause was just
                  In tones as dry and level as the place:
                  No one was cheered and nothing was discussed;
                  Column by column in a cloud of dust
                  They marched away enduring a belief
                  Whose logic brought them, somewhere else, to grief.

                  She looked over his shoulder
                  For ritual pieties,
                  White flower-garlanded heifers,
                  Libation and sacrifice,
                  But there on the shining metal
                  Where the altar should have been,
                  She saw by his flickering forge-light
                  Quite another scene.

                  Barbed wire enclosed an arbitrary spot
                  Where bored officials lounged (one cracked a joke)
                  And sentries sweated for the day was hot:
                  A crowd of ordinary decent folk
                  Watched from without and neither moved nor spoke
                  As three pale figures were led forth and bound
                  To three posts driven upright in the ground.

                  The mass and majesty of this world, all
                  That carries weight and always weighs the same
                  Lay in the hands of others; they were small
                  And could not hope for help and no help came:
                  What their foes like to do was done, their shame
                  Was all the worst could wish; they lost their pride
                  And died as men before their bodies died.

                  She looked over his shoulder
                  For athletes at their games,
                  Men and women in a dance
                  Moving their sweet limbs
                  Quick, quick, to music,
                  But there on the shining shield
                  His hands had set no dancing-floor
                  But a weed-choked field.

                  A ragged urchin, aimless and alone,
                  Loitered about that vacancy; a bird
                  Flew up to safety from his well-aimed stone:
                  That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third,
                  Were axioms to him, who’d never heard
                  Of any world where promises were kept,
                  Or one could weep because another wept.

                  The thin-lipped armorer,
                  Hephaestos, hobbled away,
                  Thetis of the shining breasts
                  Cried out in dismay
                  At what the god had wrought
                  To please her son, the strong
                  Iron-hearted man-slaying Achilles
                  Who would not live long.

                • PS: FYWP. FYWP.

                • Warren Terra

                  See also 300, which has a lot to answer for.

                • Q.E.Dumbass

                  Also: Starting with The Dark Knight Strikes Again, Frank Miller’s artwork has been utter fucking dogshit that makes Liefeld look like DaVinci. (Three panels from that series alone are rather emblematic: In Batman’s first fight with Superman, the latter’s face during the beating is drawn such that he looks like a neurofibromatic or smallpox victim; in a later scene with Wonder Woman, a closeup of his face looks like mountain landscaping. In a third scene in which he taunts Dick Grayson-as-Robin, Grayson inexplicably has gorilla-sized arms in one panel).

              • N__B

                Apparently all of Gabrielle’s help to Xena was in vain.

        • John F

          Not against Aryans :-)
          More seriously, I am told that images of Japanese soldiers taking western POWs early in WWII came as a great shock to westerners (and to some of the peoples that westerners had subjugated)- the west had erected an image of utter invincibility from the POV of the non-West- if you lived in Asia/Africa you could no more hope to beat a western army than the Brits in HG Wells War of the Worlds could beat the Martians (without a deus ex machina)- that aura of invincibility built up over 2 centuries came tumbling down literally overnight- sure the Japanese were as bad as the westerners- but if you had been taken in by the west’s claims of racial/cultural superiority that hardly mattered- the whites did indeed bleed and die like anyone else- and anyone else could build and use the same weapons.

      • njorl

        Alexander the Great – Not Aryan
        Darius II – Aryan

        • Q.E.Dumbass

          Hence the quotes around Aryan.

    • He didn’t just tweet it, the recently un-suspended David Duke liked it.

  • MAJeff

    He’s my parents’ Rep. At least they’re not amongst the Iowa Nazis who support him. I’ve cut off several relatives who are like him. Wondering how many others need to go.

    • efgoldman

      Wondering how many others need to go.

      Katie knows.

      • muddy

        :)

  • efgoldman

    Yes King is a cross between the intellect of a banana slug and the morals of a scorpion.
    Yes, he should not be allowed in human society, let alone congress.
    BUT IT’S THE FUCKING ASSHOLES WHO VOTE FOR HIM that get the blame.
    It’s no secret who or what he is.
    Even though I’d never, ever vote for him, I’d be ashamed to live in his district, “representing” me.

    • MAJeff

      I’d be ashamed to live in his district, “representing” me

      I know my parents are. My other relatives are proud. That’s one reason we don’t speak.

      • DrDick

        Life in Red America is not easy if you have a functioning brain and soul.

  • David DiSabatino

    “Lebenswomb” is pure gold.

    • Lot_49

      I’ll say.

  • Mike in DC
    • efgoldman

      Dead.To.Me.

      Took. You. Long. Enough.

      • Mike in DC

        Before I was just annoyed. Now I’m enraged.

        • Q.E.Dumbass

          Given that his previous comments have been all-but-exculpatory w/r/t Russian involvement, if anything this is a substantial improvement.

          EFG is still right that he’s long since pissed away his credibility, though.

        • I used to be disgusted, now I’m just amused.

          • Ahuitzotl

            oh, thats why they were red shoes

    • vic rattlehead

      A profoundly dishonest man

    • Murc

      … huh?

      I don’t understand. The craziest thing Greenwald does in that article is suggest that the CIA was also in on the election shenanigans. That’s… not an out there theory, although I’d like to see more than bare assertion.

      He baldly states that the FBI was in it on the side of Trump, he calls for a full and transparent investigation… not seeing the issue here.

      • The Great God Pan

        Context. Greenwald’s comments often appear unobjectionable on their own.

        But he has spent months mocking Democrats for being concerned about Russian and FBI interference in the election.

        Now he says both Russia and the FBI were involved in trying to throw the election, but balances it out by claiming that the CIA tried to do it, too (the unspoken implication being that the CIA would have been acting against Trump instead of Clinton).

        His assertion about the CIA’s involvement is, of course, offered without any kind of evidence, after months of Greenwald yelling about how Democrats and the intelligence community can’t prove that Russia interfered in the election and should therefore shut up about it.

        • liberalrob

          But he has spent months mocking Democrats for being concerned about Russian and FBI interference in the election.

          Sigh. Untrue…

          after months of Greenwald yelling about how Democrats and the intelligence community can’t prove that Russia interfered in the election and should therefore shut up about it.

          False…

          • Gator90

            Greenwald has few if any readers more faithful than I, and Pan’s characterization of his writings in recent months is accurate and fair. Either you haven’t been reading GG lately or you’re not being honest. (I’d include stupidity as a possible explanation, but I’ve read enough of your comments to know that isn’t the case.)

          • Considering that you have repeatedly mischaracterized and distorted the arguments made by the bloggers here, even in the face of clear evidence that you were doing so, we’re going to need a bit more than your bare assertions. Or you could just GTFO.

          • ColBatGuano

            Your well supported arguments are highly convincing.

          • sibusisodan

            It is to laugh.

            Once again, you have no argument here.

          • Pat

            On a related note, you know that the electronic security on our electoral machines dates back to the last century.

            Irrespective of what happened in 2016, I think we would be wise to agitate for hardened security to safeguard the vote. Hard encryption has come a long way and needs to be employed.

    • shah8

      The sad thing is that the Intercept was the only widely read english media* who seriously reported on the Brazil situation. When we have so much bad faith think tank dominated media for Latin America (Brian Winter and Americas Quarterly, I’m looking at you!), that job was pretty important.

      *yes,yes, BrazilWire and all the rest…

      I guess Glenwald had personal reasons to report on Brazil (at least semi-)honestly.

      • shah8

        Yeesh, guess I got too used to being an edit button…

        • shah8

          *having

          • DocAmazing

            You don’t want to be an edit button. The hours are terrible, and no one appreciates your hard work.

            • Dennis Orphen

              “Don’t push me!”

          • los

            just say that you’re posting from a phone with a 3 x 1.4 inch touch screen

        • rea

          Everybody says the edit button isn’t working. Works just fine for me (running Google Chrome).

          • liberalrob

            No Edit button on Firefox.

            • liberalrob

              test

              • liberalrob

                test

                • liberalrob

                  Not seeing anything obvious, other than loading of youtubeResize.js getting a 404 (but what could that have to do with the Edit button), a GET of page.js from addtoany.com never returned, another GET of ga.js and some kind of .gif from Google Analytics is also not returning…that’s all Firebug has to say on the matter.

              • liberalrob

                chrome test

                • liberalrob

                  no edit button on Chrome for me, either.

                • liberalrob

                  There’s a continuous stream of errors and warnings coming from the Google Ads stuff. Maybe Chrome is getting hyperdefensive about blocking stuff and the Edit button is getting caught up in those filters somehow.

              • Chetsky

                testing with

                Version 56.0.2924.76 Built on Ubuntu , running on Ubuntu 16.04 (64-bit)

                If edit button works (after submission) this sentence will reflect that fact.

                • Chetsky

                  Uh, guess not.

            • JR in WV

              Testing the edit with firefox on linux

              • JR in WV

                No edit button, Firefox V52.0 on Linux/Ubuntu 14.04 updated last night, so current LTS version.

                Oops. Broke it.

              • Donna Gratehouse

                Test

                Lets me edit on Chrome.

                • Yesterday Chrome stumped someone. So maybe tonight Firefox will work again!

                  I am going outside—I may be some little time.

        • Warren Terra

          The edit button is working fine for me (older laptop, current Windows, Chrome). But I’m having trouble with the site loading very slowly, taking a long time to contact its ad and analytics providers, and especially a horrible video ad between the main post and the comments that yesterday kept on claiming the focus, so you couldn’t scroll away from it until it eventually finished loading.

          • I really hope that more sites start doing what the Comics Curmudgeon has done recently. I signed up immediately, even though I never minded the ads there. I do mind the ads here (because of performance and security concerns; the last straw was being hijacked to another site) and unfortunately had to take it off my adblock whitelist. I would gladly drop some cash to have a “legitimate” ad-free experience here and on other sites I like.

            ETA: By the way, editing works fine here.

            • Abbey Bartlet

              They do have a PayPal; I sent a donation and put de-whitelisted guilt-free.

              ETA: Same.

    • los

      Mike in DC says:

      OT: http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/11/politics/greenwald-cia-and-fbi-election-interferance-cnntv/
      Dead.To.Me.

      Greenwald is fudging. (dog paddling?)
      GG reckons that “probably” both FBI and CIA interfered with 2016 election. GG still wants investigation, though GG knows that “investigators” will redact and omit much “hard proof” from released result.

      • Mike in DC

        GG is not very subtly equating the probabilities and scope of interference in the election by Russia and the CIA. There’s a mountain of circumstantial evidence in support of the farmer’s interference, and essentially zero evidence in support of the latter.

  • AB

    Lebensborn.

    • Some people say that Donald Trump was a product of the Lebensborn program, born in Germany, Donald’s real father was a prominent Nazi war criminal who had fled to Argentina after the war. He was eventually adopted by Fred and Mary Trump and brought to America as a toddler where he remains to this day. While this history has been unconfirmed, it should be noted that Donald J. Trump refuses to release his long form birth certificate which would easily quash these rumors.*

      *please avoid the further spreading of these allegations until confirmation is made as they may bring discomfort to Trump supporters although realistically some may react with pride.

      • brought to America as a toddler where he remains.

        Typo alert! You wrote “where” for “which”.

        • Brought to the state of New York as a toddler, a state in which he remains to this day.

          • los

            as a toddler, a state of human maturation in which Trumpf remains.

          • los

            as a lebensKinder, from which state of human neural development Trump continues to decline, to this day.

      • Mayur

        Honestly this would probably boost his popularity among the base. I refuse to believe that DJT was a product of an experiment that produced anything as successful as part of the talent for ABBA.

      • Warren Terra

        This is why Donald Trump, in a supreme act of self-sacrifice, subsists on a bloating fast-food and junk-food diet, and why he paints himself orange and has a ridiculous hairdo. If he didn’t do these things to disguise his appearance, one might look at him and suspect he’s the product of an illicit cloning program based on someone of similar ethnic heritage known for a different ridiculous hairdo.

  • Peterr

    I’m waiting for King to introduce a bill creating the Order of Maternal Glory, awarded to women who have at least seven children. Got to encourage women to do their part and all.

    He wouldn’t even have to work hard to write it up, as Stalin did the heavy lifting on this one back in 1944.

    • DocAmazing

      There are some to choose from. Just replace the swastika in the one below with a T:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Honour_of_the_German_Mother

      • No Longer Middle Aged Man

        Just replace the swastika

        Why? It’s an ancient Aryan symbol, only racist anti-Aryans could object.

        • Little Chak

          Anti-Nazi is code for anti-white.

      • replace the swastika

        Bannon: “What?! That’d be like pissing on the Mona Lisa!”

        Trump: “… Jared, get the King of Italy on the phone, now.”

    • efgoldman

      awarded to women who have at least seven children.

      Coincidentally, Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, one of the worst musicals ever written, was just on TMC.
      Quoth mrs efg: “Seven boys. No wonder the mother died.”

      • Solar System Wolf

        I know, right? My daughter is heavily involved with theater and choral music at her school, and I’ve been on a program of acquainting her with all the important musicals, or at least those that have a movie version we can watch at home. She decided the music for “Carousel” was lovely, but the story made her want to claw her own eyes out. I’ve warned her that “Seven Brides for Seven Brothers” is only worth watching for the dancing. I’m not sure we’ll even get through it, honestly. She loves her some “West Side Story,” though.

        • DocAmazing

          Shown her South Pacific yet? The gay subtext and “You’ve Got To Be Carefully Taught” make it worthwhile, and I say that as one who hateshateshates musicals.

          • Solar System Wolf

            We haven’t gotten around to South Pacific yet. I read an article a few years ago, I think it was in the New York Times, saying that audience goers at the time South Pacific came out understood it in an entirely different way from modern audiences because they had just been through WWII and it was current history for them. That was fascinating. If I can dig it up, I’ll have her read it before we watch it.

            • No Longer Middle Aged Man

              I have an old friend who used to sing it as “Some enchanted evening, you may ream a stranger …”

              • efgoldman

                “Some enchanted evening, you may ream a stranger …”

                I’d like you to meet the Evenings, Sam and Janet….

              • Origami Isopod

                Walter Sobchak for you on line 2.

              • DAS

                Salmon chanted “evening”

        • rea

          I had heard of it, but did not know the plot. Really? The Rape of the Sabine Women as a musical comedy?

          • And bestiality:

            Can’t pitch no woo, to a bunch of ewe.

            Sung by the male actors with sheep on their laps.

            • Woodrowfan

              I like AC/DCs cover version, “Dirty Deeds Done With Sheep”

              • Scottish Mick Jagger sings “Hey McCloud get off of my ewe.”

                • Stag Party Palin

                  +1 McMillion

                • efgoldman

                  “Hey McCloud get off of my ewe.”

                  Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauugh

                • Okeeffe

                  A joke: Bianca Jagger walks in on Mick in bed with Dennis Weaver. Hey you get off of McCloud :-)

            • LeeEsq

              Its a surprisingly kinky musical. We must remember that as infuriating as we find the hipsters of Portland now, this is what they were like before.

          • Hogan

            Tell ya ’bout them sobbin’ women
            Who lived in the Roman days.
            It seems that they all went swimmin’
            While their men was off to graze.
            Well, a Roman troop was ridin’ by
            And saw them in their “me oh my’s”,
            So they took ’em all back home to dry.
            Least that’s what Plutarch says.
            Oh yes!
            And the women was sobbin’, sobbin’, sobbin’
            Fit to be tied.
            Ev’ry muscle was throbbin’, throbbin’
            From that riotous ride.
            Seems they cried and kissed and kissed and cried
            All over that Roman countryside
            So don’t forget that when you’re takin’ a bride.

        • all the important musicals, or at least those that have a movie version we can watch at home

          Li’l Abner is not an important musical, but does have a movie version you can watch at home; do not do so.

          Guys and Dolls is a very important musical, and does have a movie version you can watch and home; do not, I repeat, DO NOT do so. (Sky Masterson played by … Marlon fucking Brando?)

          Sometimes I wonder how it happens that I still have eyes and ears.

          • bender

            My parents had the original cast recording of Guys and Dolls. i listened to it a lot as a child without of course understanding most of the slang and cultural references, e.g., “Tired of getting the fish eye from the hotel clerk”.

            I think reading a brief summary of the characters and situation (such as one might find on the Internet) plus listening to the original soundtrack would be sufficient to “get” the musical, without visuals or dialogue. There are a lot of songs, the lyrics are specific to the situations, and the singing styles in which they are delivered reflect the characters. You don’t need to see guys in hats moving around a stage to appreciate “I’ve got the horse right here”. The original version of “My Kind of Town” is not to be missed.

            • bender

              Oof, I meant “My time of day”, not “My Kind of Town”. Wrong musical, and I don’t like the latter song.

            • rea

              “I’ve got the horse right here”

              Speaking of Joseph Warren . . .

          • N__B

            I liked Brando in G&D. It’s like watching a horse tap-dance: clumsy but endearing.

      • LeeEsq

        The barn dance scene has some really good dancing in it though.

        • los

          any scene with dancing barns must be worth watching.

    • Little Chak

      I imagine the U.S. version will tie “exemplary” motherhood to whether a woman’s offspring register as members of the Republican Party when they reach voting age.

    • Warren Terra

      I feel this post’s comments needs more mention of the Quiverfull movement and its ties to Christian Identity and hence neo-Nazi ideologies.

      • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

        The Quiverfull people are only slightly less crazy than the Mormons that Jeffs leads. And both of them do a remarkable job of brainwashing their kids.

    • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

      Just checked, and King has only 3 children. I wonder if he has “issues” with Mrs. King.

      Of course, he could be one of those Republicans who issues rules for other people but is magically exempt themselves.

      • Ahuitzotl

        he could be one of those Republicans who issues rules for other people but is magically exempt themselves.

        Isn’t that all of them?

  • To be clear, it should be noted that this is the Steve King who concocts fantastical horror stories in order to scare people and not the prolific author from Maine.

    • Dennis Orphen

      So, the wrong one was hit by a car?

  • guthrie

    So they’ll be producing legislation offering free childcare and ante-natal care soon, so that white women can afford to have children rather than work themselves to death before they can do so?

    • BiloSagdiyev

      Uh, lots of people have children before they can afford to. To delay it based on some expected financial security is an attitude of folks whose careers have… somewhere to go. I’ve never heard of anybody working in a sock factory being childless at 40 because of financial worries.

      (Amazingly, we still have some sock factories. I briefly worked in a panthose factory, but I think it’s closed now.)

      • guthrie

        You aren’t arguing very clearly here. That many people delay having children because of lack of money is clear; that some people don’t is also clear, but the point you seem incapable of getting is that any politician interested in actually increasing the production of children needs to make it easier and better for people to have them.
        Or pass laws making it compulsory, and we know how well that turned out.

        • Kathleen

          These are Republicans. Who complain about health insurance that provides pre natal care.

    • dogboy

      This is the most important point. Calling out the logical implication of King’s racism is easy enough, but getting him to back up his tough talk with support for women, mothers and children is the one that will stick. Rep King, do you support [free pre-natal care, low-cost deliveries, extended hospital stays as required, 6? month govt paid maternity support, 3 years of WIC for all, universal pre-k, and subsidized child care]? Seems like that might move the discussion forward.

      • Little Chak

        King: “Well, no, because those services disproportionately help the blahs and the canteloupe-calved to reproduce.”

        “Um, don’t conservatives frequently argue that Planned Parenthood was conceived as a way to keep the blah population down?”

      • weirdnoise

        Only if undesirables (non-whites and Democrats) could somehow be excluded. Remember, Republicans have long depended on the fear of someone getting something they shouldn’t be getting (such as the aforesaid undesirables) in their attacks on social programs.

    • farin

      Limiting opportunities for women and destabilizing Social Security are also associated with higher fertility rates, so why leave their comfort zone?

  • NickFlynn

    The title of the post is pure brilliance.

    I really expected to see this tweet in the post though:
    https://twitter.com/apurposefulwife/status/841018429146583044

    • BiloSagdiyev

      BARF!

    • The bio suggests an award for Troll who Tried too Hard is in order:

      Former SJW/feminist turned #TradLife. Christian wife & mom of 6. #SaveEurope #WomenAgainstFeminism #Homeschool #WhiteCulture #LDS #AltRight Heritage not hate

      And unless she’s claiming to be the mother of the Von Trapp children, she seems to have lost 4 of her kids.

      • No Longer Middle Aged Man

        Assuming the whole shtick isn’t a goof, then I’d assume that back in what she refers to as her feminist SJW phase she was similarly unbearable. David Horowitz politics have gotten much worse over the years, but he always was an asshole back when he was a leftist and PurposefulWife seems cut from the same cloth. She’s probably fortunate that she was born too late to have been a Branch Davidian because she’d have fit right in as an enthusiastic bride of David Koresh.

        • los

          or falseflag – as easy to do on twitter, as on most of the web.

          “Is it Poe?”

          • Origami Isopod

            She’s been around for quite a while. I don’t keep up with her because my trainwreck syndrome has its limits. It’s none too surprising she’s gone full Nazi; the Quiverfull movement has always been about outbreeding the Undesirables.

    • Little Chak

      apurposefulwife’s conversation with “OccidentalSon”:

      “SAdly, I only have three. One with my current wife, and one with my ex. The oldest is a commnie, so she negates the other 2”

      “the commie could turn around! You never know. When I was young and stupid I almost went commie.”

      “I doubt it. She’s been dating a Jew for the past few years. :-(”

      “she’s in my prayers. <3"

      "and mine, as well. Her youngert half-sister is heartbroken that she may not see her for her birthday,"

      "I'm so sorry but it can always get better, I'm living proof of that"

      O_o …

      and with SpartanMike14:

      “Seeing the insane backlash to his statement is so frustrating [facepalm emoji]”

      “it proves they want us extinct”

      “Yup. We are living in messed up times my friend. How did the world become so upside down [crying face emoji]”

      “I don’t know how it got this way but I’m hopeful we can turn it around!”

      Thanks for the puke warning, Bilo.

      • JMP

        ” I only have three. One with my current wife, and one with my ex. ”

        3=1+1 now?

        • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

          Maybe he went full O.T. and had a child with his maid because his wife wouldn’t “give” him another child?

      • dnexon

        Her Twitter thread is full on Nazi, but with sprinkling of deniability we associate with Spencer et al.

        It’s also unbelievably stupid. I had no idea just how dumb some of these answers to obvious things (like Jesus was swarthy) were.

  • patrick II

    He doesn’t say here who is “somebody else’s babies” and who are “our babies”, but he doesn’t have to. I have noticed that he doesn’t say “white” so much as “European” or descendants of the “European culture” when discussing immigration. The dog whistles are getting louder.

  • Dennis Orphen

    Dennis Orphen’s Suggested Reading for Today:

    Cloud, Castle, Lake by Vladimir Nabokov.

    Bonus Extra Credit:

    The One Hundred Dollar Misunderstanding by Robert Gover.

  • Crusty

    I find the recent republican comparisons to Europe and warnings to look at what’s happening in Europe somewhere in between distasteful and quite maddening. Europe is very different and there is little to be gained from looking at what’s happening there. To the extent there’s something to be gained, it is the opposite of what King and his ilk think it is. To oversimplify, there are two trends in European thought and culture that are at odds. One is liberal enlightenment thought (good), the other is ethno-nationalism (bad). They actually believe there is such a thing as a German, a Briton, a Frenchman etc. Carried to its most extreme, you get the holocaust. Ever so slightly less extreme, colonialism and imperialism. Much less extreme and almost innocuous, delightful stories on PBS and BBC shows like Victoria where the upper class are aghast at the notion of being ruled by a German (Prince Albert). Muslims that emigrate to Germany, France, Britain, the Netherlands, etc., are hyper-aware that europeans see themselves one way and consequently others as others. To use a phrase that I usually loathe, even well-meanings are not pc about ethnicity and nationality.

    And so, to conclude, among many other reasons that King’s comments are contemptible is that the comparison to Europe is inapt.

    • efgoldman

      And so, to conclude, among many other reasons that King’s comments are contemptible is that the comparison to Europe is inapt

      Wasting a lot of pixels on a banana slug.

      • liberalrob

        Please cease with this insulting comparison of human offal Steve King to the noble, beautiful, and highly useful banana slug:

        The more we learn about banana slugs, the more we come to appreciate that their presence enriches and helps to stabilize the ecosystems they inhabit. By feeding on detritus, they help to recycle nutrients and make them available for new growth. Slug excretions not only provide nitrogen-rich fertilizer, but also help to disperse spores and seeds needed for forest plant regeneration. Since the banana slug’s ecological niche is not yet fully understood, we shouldn’t be surprised to learn that there are other praiseworthy contributions.

        Steve King’s excretions may also provide nitrogen-rich fertilizer, but that’s the extent of his usefulness to the world.

    • rea

      shows like Victoria where the upper class are aghast at the notion of being ruled by a German (Prince Albert).

      Where the heck do they think the royal house of Hannover came from?

      • DocAmazing

        It gets worse: may I introduce you to Prince Phillip of Macedon?

        • Warren Terra

          Prince Philip is of course thoroughly appalling, a crude and a crass bigot par excellence, but in an utterly British fashion. Whatever his heritage (and I’ve never looked it up) he’s practically a parody of the upper-crust British Bigot.

      • I enjoyed Victoria (the BBC series) but I admit to a strong sense of rage and nausea every time Prince Leopold turned up.

        • LeeEsq

          Still better than his son.

        • Crusty

          The same actor playse Edward VIII in the Crown on netflix (better show in my opinion).

      • Hogan

        Look, we spent a long time teaching those muttonheaded Georges to speak English, and we don’t want to have to do it all over again.

    • LeeEsq

      People form groups and identities and the identities of German, British, or French are no more un-real than that of white or black or Jew, Christian, or Muslim, or cis or trans even if they seem so in the modern liberal imagination.

      • The Dark God of Time

        “The Duke of Edinburgh? That’s about as Scottish as the Queen of England’s tits!”

        • I laughed out loud so hard at this comment. Unfortunately, I then had to translate it into Chinese as my wife wanted know what was so funny…aren’t cultural differences amazing?

          • Does your wife speak Chinese?

            • Yeah. I teach English and Translation at Northeast Normal University in Changchun. Her English and my Chinese are about equal. We switch back and forth to communicate. A sentence like that, while not impossible to translate, is difficult to understand without the cultural understanding. After I explain the ‘joke’ to her, she just gives me one of those blank stares. I have trouble with Chinese humor too. An idea for a book when I get around to it.

          • The Dark God of Time

            The quote is from Blackadder the First, one of Rowan Atkison’s best series.

            • Ah…thx! I love Blackadder, but haven’t seen every episode.

    • JMP

      The comparisons to Europe are based on the racist conspiracy theories alleging that there has been a huge wave of crimes being committed by Muslim immigrants all over Europe, particularly raping white women, leading to police refusing to enter majority Muslim neighborhoods they label “no go zones”, but the mainstream press is refusing to cover this phenomenon. Of course the reason they’re not covering it is that it is not happening and there are no such things as no go zones, but the far right never let facts get in the way of their justifications for their bigotry.

    • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

      the comparison to Europe is inapt.

      To provide context, nearly everything King says is inapt or worse.

    • They actually believe there is such a thing as a German, a Briton, a Frenchman etc.

      …and why wouldn’t they?

      Seriously, the idea of a bunch of Americans pooh-pooing anyone else’s ethnic and national identity is pretty rich, not to mention incredibly condescending. There’s a lot of slippage in the national identities of European nations, and a lot of problems with those countries coming to terms with their history of colonialism and the current influx of immigrants from formerly colonized nations (most of which is equally true of the US). But to take those issues to the extent of erasing the national identities of groups that have existed for millennia is the height of American self-absorption.

      • Snuff curry

        national identities of groups that have existed for millennia

        The barbarbars, some of whom have foreigners for royalty, all of whom occupy land hastily carved out for and/or against rather than by them, have had “national identities” for “millennia?”

        Lard almighty.

      • bender

        I’m not pooh-poohing European national identity claims out of hand. If claims to national identity require having existed for millennia, the Palestinians are out of luck.

        Most of the nation states of Europe are less than a thousand years old, and most of the groups in Europe that have a distinct genome, language and home territory going back more than a thousand years are not nation states. Human beings move around a lot.

        • Millennia was wrong, but can we agree that most of the nations of Europe have existed, in one form or another, for longer than the US? I honestly don’t see how it’s acceptable for an outsider to speak so condescendingly of how a people define themselves – and to mention the Palestinians in the same breath!

          Bottom line: if British, German, French people believe that their national identity exists, then it exists. To dismiss it isn’t some enlightened act of post-nationalism.

          • Crusty

            And if they believe that that national identity is genetically connected to character traits like being less savage and more suited to constitutional democracy, they are full of shit. They blur the line a bit, you see.

            • ajay

              And if they believe that that national identity is genetically connected to character traits like being less savage and more suited to constitutional democracy, they are full of shit.

              “Genetically” is doing a lot of work there. Yes, there is no gene for democracy. But if you think that national culture (which is not genetically linked) has nothing to do with rates of violence or suitability for constitutional democracy, then you haven’t been paying attention.

              • Origami Isopod

                But if you think that national culture (which is not genetically linked) has nothing to do with rates of violence or suitability for constitutional democracy, then you haven’t been paying attention.

                Such as, say, the national culture that produced Hitler? Or supports Jobbik? Or, closer to where you are IIRC, voted Brexit?

                And, closer to where I am, supported a régime of brutal apartheid against a subset of its people for 100 years, which has not been completely dismantled?

                • ajay

                  Yes.

              • Crusty

                The issue we are talking about here is immigration and the integration of cultures. So yes, the idea that democracy might begin to flourish in Iraq at the flip of a switch is silly because there is no national culture of democracy. But the idea we’re talking about, that King posted about, that Wilders is talking about, is the notion that Iraqi’s who move to say, Germany, in search of a life not dominated by risk of dying in sectarian violence, will not be able to integrate into German society because they don’t come from proper German stock. Its similar to the idea that the children or further descendants of Mexican immigrants who came to the U.S. are not “real” Americans.

                • ajay

                  But the idea we’re talking about, that King posted about, that Wilders is talking about, is the notion that Iraqis who move to say, Germany, in search of a life not dominated by risk of dying in sectarian violence, will not be able to integrate into German society because they don’t come from proper German stock.

                  And, also, that their German-born children will not be able to do so. Which is even less defensible.

      • vic rattlehead

        This is such a bullshit argument. Millenia? Easily falsifiable bullshit. Take France for example. There was no “French identity” to speak of until at the very earliest the 17th century. And the formation of a French identity such as it is entailed the erasure of many regional languages and cultures. Laughable bullshit. Absolutely laughable bullshit.

        • ajay

          Take France for example. There was no “French identity” to speak of until at the very earliest the 17th century.

          Tell that to Jeanne d’Arc.

        • JohnT

          This is not a particularly fruitful line of debate. As Abigail N has pointed out several times, the exact historical validity of these claims is irrelevant. The large majority of Europeans do derive a large proportion of their identity from their nation, however defined by them. Most West European nations were clearly being established hundreds of years ago, and even the newer European ones (including Italian, German and the majority of East European nations) were clearly a major force by 1870 – i.e. several generations prior to almost anyone living today. For the practical purpose of a modern European, these identities date back to ‘time immemorial’ – i.e. they were founded prior to the remembrance of any living person. Saying that this has no scientific basis is like saying there is or isn’t a scientific basis for homosexuality. Who cares? It won’t change our view of how we see ourselves. It’s just trolling.

          Equally, saying English people are ‘genetically predisposed’ towards freedom is absolutely just as much bullshit as saying Iraqi people are ‘genetically predisposed’ towards being violent or evil or whatever crap is currently proposed. That sort of stuff is absolutely worth stamping on.

    • ajay

      Much less extreme and almost innocuous, delightful stories on PBS and BBC shows like Victoria where the upper class are aghast at the notion of being ruled by a German (Prince Albert)

      I can’t imagine any Americans getting worried that their head of state might have been born in a foreign country. That’s the kind of thing that only Europeans worry about.

      • mds

        So … you’re saying 2016 GOP runner-up Ted Cruz still has a shot in 2024?

        • ajay

          So … you’re saying 2016 GOP runner-up Ted Cruz still has a shot in 2024?

          Er, no.

  • ZakMcKrackenAndTheAlienMindbenders

    “Have you read ‘The Rise of the Coloured Empires’ by this man Goddard?”

    “Why, no,” I answered, rather surprised by his tone.

    “Well, it’s a fine book, and everybody ought to read it. The idea is if we don’t look out the white race will be—will be utterly submerged…this idea is that we’re Nordics. I am, and you are and you are and—” After an infinitesimal hesitation he included Daisy with a slight nod and she winked at me again.

  • aturner339

    This by he way is the flip side to thinking that you can marginalized the Charles Murrays of the world by ignoring them. Other people are listening. People with power.

    • DocAmazing

      Now don’t be uncivil!

  • BiloSagdiyev

    Culture, my ass!! By Wednesday he’ll be grumbling that anybody in the academy or the arts is a fag.

    • farin

      When I hear Steve King say “culture” I reach for my Browning.

      • DocAmazing

        Yeah, Tod Browning’s Freaks.

  • Harry R. Sohl

    How far they’ve fallen! Not long ago, Republicans still knew “you go to war with someone else’s babies you have, not with someone else’s babies you wish you had.”

  • Judas Peckerwood

    As an added bonus, it will allow the bellicose chickenshits who infest the right wing to believe they’re fighting the war on terrorism every time they get a boner.

    How does soiling a kleenex help to advance the war on terrorism? Honest question here.

    • DocAmazing

      Onward Christian Shower Drains lacks that stirring je ne sais quoi.

      • los

        “People Say that Trump perpetrated the Thimble Holocaust.”

      • Origami Isopod

        I laughed like, well, a drain at this.

    • Kathleen

      As an added bonus, it will allow the bellicose chickenshits who infest the right wing to believe they’re fighting the war on terrorism every time they get a boner.

      Which only happens when they screw Amerussia’s poor, middle class, African Americans, immigrants, etc. etc. etc.

  • Harkov311

    I’m curious what he thinks “our civilization” consists of, and why he thinks it will somehow be in hopeless peril just because there are some brown people in it. I mean, I know a first-generation Pakistani immigrant who is huge fan of football, fast cars, action movies, and hamburgers. He couldn’t be more American if he tried.

    Except, oh wait, he’s a Muslim. So he somehow isn’t really American, even though he’s not a very serious Muslim, because reasons.

    • aturner339

      For the right kind of conservative assimilation is not the goal of immigration an indeed successful integration makes things worse. He means the white race.

      • No Longer Middle Aged Man

        Does “the white race” mean caucasians for these people? Because I don’t think they’re gonna like it if they find out who else is caucasian.

        • JMP

          “White” has no fixed meaning; it changes from time to time and place to place. Thus, for examples, the Irish and Italians were not white in the 19th and early 20th Centuries but have been since the mid-20th, and in modern America, Jewish people have been white for a while, at least in urban and suburban areas, but post-Trump conservatives are no going back to Jewish people not being white again.

          • Captain Tau

            “White” has no fixed meaning; it changes from time to time and place to place. Thus, for examples, the Irish and Italians were not white in the 19th and early 20th Centuries but have been since the mid-20th, and in modern America, Jewish people have been white for a while, at least in urban and suburban areas, but post-Trump conservatives are no going back to Jewish people not being white again.

            Ah, that explains why no Italian or Irish immigrants were allowed into the United States in the 19th century, the immigration policy of which was codified in the 1790 Naturalization Act as:

            Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least, and making proof to the satisfaction of such Court that he is a person of good character, and taking the oath or affirmation prescribed by law to support the Constitution of the United States, which Oath or Affirmation such Court shall administer, and the Clerk of such Court shall record such Application, and the proceedings thereon; and thereupon such person shall be considered as a Citizen of the United States. And the children of such person so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed.

            • Hogan

              Wow. You actually think that’s clever.

              • Captain Tau

                Wow just wow. Do you actually think that’s an argument?

                • DocAmazing

                  Be original. Try translating “Address my point, libs” into Portuguese, for example.

        • John F

          Does “the white race” mean caucasians for these people?

          no.

        • Origami Isopod

          “Caucasian” and similar terms are really outdated, even if a lot of Americans still use them. This was very much pointed up in the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombing.

      • Harkov311

        This is why I have a hard time wrapping my mind around white nationalism, because they never explain what’s so special about white people that needs preserving. And I say that as a white person.

        • Wapiti

          I once asked my dad about some story his mother told about a family member being responsible for the double-decker Ferris wheel at the Chicago fair. (None of my ancestors were involved, unless as laborers or the ticket taker.) He shrugged and said, “When people don’t have anything to claim, they’ll make it up.”

          Likewise white nationalism. They’ve got nothing except the color of their skin, and fellow gang members behind them. Reading Ta-Nehisi Coates on growing up in Baltimore – being able to be part of a gang is important when you’re otherwise powerless.

          • Origami Isopod

            See also: MRAs claiming that men invented civilization and women have never contributed anything of worth to it. The men who say this have, almost to a man, never contributed anything of value to civilization either.

            • N__B

              To be fair, Sid Meyer invented Civilization and he's a guy.

  • Jake the antisoshul soshulist

    Our culture = conservative, Christian, and mostly white. Nicki Haley, Bobby Jindal, Ben Carson etc. are welcome to apply.
    Others not so much.

    • Dennis Orphen

      Yo dawg, I heard you like lackeys so I got some lackeys for your lackeys…..

  • LeeEsq

    What really gets to me is that so many of our political opponents are idiots and we can’t seem to do anything to beat them.

    • aturner339

      In politics shared idiocy trumps lonely genius. White supremacy has deep roots in our politics and killing it will be hard.

    • Dennis Orphen

      we can’t seem to do anything to beat them.

      Sniff test fail.

    • los

      political opponents are idiots

      It’s easier to destroy than to build.

  • LeeEsq

    Also, has Steven King ever read the foundational works of Western civilization? You know, the Iliad and the Odyssey, the Greek plays, and the works of Plato, Aristotle and the other philosophers?

    • Hogan

      That was before the Turkish filth spoiled their bloodline. I wish I were making that up.

      • LeeEsq

        Not quite the point I was making. A lot of the defend Western civilization people have very little knowledge or love of the foundations of the foundations of Western civilization. That was the point I was making.

        • Vance Maverick

          Not sure it proves what you want it to prove. For the Captain Taus of this world, Plato’s works are useful rhetorically as a point scored for Team White. Reading them doesn’t matter, because once a “contribution” has been contributed, the point stays on the board.

          • Chetsky

            Back in the day, there was a beyooteful Homocide: Life on the Street story-arc about that. Shooter was a serious white supremacist, had a pile of books, but …. well, he wasn’t actually very well-educated. So one of ’em’s in Greek. Think it was the writings of Plato. Anyway, Pembleton (Andre Braugher, killin’ it) challenges the perp to read a few lines at random; of course, the perp canont. So Braugher proceeds to read it word-for-word, b/c of course the Jesuits taught him how.

            Loved that shit.

        • Hogan

          It’s in Steve King’s blood, because he is of the pure bloodline. He doesn’t need to read it.

    • efgoldman

      has Steven King ever read….

      Could/should have stopped right there.

  • AMK

    The idea of a state-supported ethnonationalist breeding program (complete with medals for women and the like) is also a big hobbyhorse of Putin’s—what a coincidence!

    Though to be scrupulously fair to Putin, Russia is responding to a genuine demographic crisis and can’t attract immigrants. King is just pure racism.

    • N__B

      Russia…can’t attract immigrants.

      I can’t imagine why not.

    • Warren Terra

      Russia had some ability to attract immigrants, from the Caucasus and the ‘Stans, but official repression and sanctioned mob violence rather put paid to that – a model King and his compatriots would like to emulate.

      • los

        trump’s fatherland will (would?) need a berlin wall (as predicted widely)
        brownbackistan?

    • Origami Isopod

      Russia is responding to a genuine demographic crisis and can’t attract immigrants.

      Yeah, uh, that might have something to do with Russia’s corruption, xenophobia, homophobia, and misogyny. Just a thought.

  • Mayur

    Mods, can we ban Steve Sailer sock puppet “Captain Tau” please? This is a waste of thread space.

  • Lord Jesus Perm

    Unabashed bigot race realist human biodiversity advocate Captain Tau is back I see.

    • Linnaeus

      Well, that’s not very civil of you.

      • Lord Jesus Perm

        I’m the reason Trump won, unfortunately.

        • los

          “Soros! I know that’s you!!”

          /trumpcuck

  • Tehanu

    Speaking as a white mother (and grandmother), I don’t want to “restore our civilization.” I want to help develop a better future civilization along with anyone and everyone else who wants civilization rather than barbarity. I don’t want to lose what’s good in Western civilization by pretending it’s the only one that’s good.

    • guthrie

      +1 for Le Guin name.

  • Abbey Bartlet

    Gotta give him props for getting the usual 14 words down to nine.

  • personwhoreads

    Steve King is a nightmare in so many ways. I haven’t seen many people mentioning this, so I’ll throw it into the ring. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/488219/

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  • Cheap Wino

    The irony of King giving a shout out to Wilders in this particular way when Wilders was the key figure in inspiring Andres Brevik’s murder spree of white children is rich. Racism has always been a haven for the damnedest of fools.

    • Origami Isopod

      Yes, but they were liberals and therefore race traitors. And as such are deemed fair game.

      • Hogan

        Not just liberals–socialists.

      • GCarty

        I would have expected Breivik’s epithet of choice for his victims would have been “dhimmis” (or something to that effect).

    • ajay

      So Congressman Steve King is the one who supports white nationalist terrorism, and Congressman Peter King is the one who supports Irish nationalist terrorism.

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