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Is it better to have a vote on your bill and lose than to never have a vote on your bill at all?

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Even with the usual and necessary warnings about the potential for Republican huggery, muggery and thuggery, I think the Business Insider’s portrayal of today’s events is spot on.

GOP DISASTER: ‘TRUMPCARE’ VOTE PULLED DESPITE ULTIMATUM

GOP leadership pulled the American Health Care Act from what looked almost certain to be a failed floor vote Friday, in a blow to President Donald Trump’s agenda and House Speaker Paul Ryan’s leadership of his caucus.

The move came as it became clear that Republicans did not have enough votes to pass their bill to repeal and replace Obamacare.

The GOP had seven years to come up with a plan that could baffle enough people with bullshit, a clear majority in the House and a president who may have mentioned his ability to make deals one or twice. Yet chest beating and posturing was followed by scrambling and gibbering and then: They. Choked.

More accurately, they engaged in a heavy bout of auto-asphyxiation.

Republican leaders faced opposition from both hardline conservative House lawmakers and moderates.

GOP leaders appeared to concede Thursday that they did not have the necessary votes. But Trump pushed for a vote, even issuing an ultimatum on Thursday night. Trump, via a message delivered by Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney to House Republicans, said the caucus could either pass the bill Friday or he would move on to other priorities. The gambit did not appear to convince many to swing their votes.

This is probably due to the fact that Vote for a bill that’s less popular than a dose of the clap or do what your constituents want you to do was not, in fact, an ultimatum. It was yet another collection of mouth noises from the world’s greatest spokesmodel for white exceptionalism.

And now this spoof of a human is blaming Democrats (193 members in the House) for the fact that the Republicans (237 members) couldn’t get enough votes. Or at least that’s the current for public consumption line. This is a humiliating day for the entire Republican Party, but especially their very spoiled and abusive leader. A man who can’t stand to be told No, hates to be seen as a failure and takes to the concept of personal responsibility like a duck takes to public accounting. Yesterday he had already started to blame Ryan and I expect members of the Freedom Carcass and any Republican who announced their intention to vote No is on the shit list.

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  • Snuff curry

    Every line here is pure gold.

    • daves09

      It’s all Hillary-dillary-shillary’s fault.
      If she had just won the damned election they could have kept repealing ACA every month and not had to go through this shit.
      Jeff Flakes analysis hits it-they’re fucked because this time they know they’re playing with live ammo.

    • Every line here is pure gold.

      Immediately above your comment is an ad (from thecrux.com, no less) with a SURPRISING GOLD WARNING from Ron Paul: “Buying Gold Will Not Be Enough — Here’s Next Step To Take.” (Apparently it’s a video. I am not clicking.)

      Who would have thought ol’ Ron would be advising people to Read More Shakezula?

      • Snuff curry

        Purest green, then.

  • bexley

    Yesterday he had already started to blame Ryan and I expect members of the Freedom Carcass and any Republican who announced their intention to vote No is on the shit list.

    Trump: “I gave them the tire rims and anthrax they wanted but they still refused to eat it”
    HFC:”WELL WHERE WAS THE CYANIDE SAUCE?”

    • rea

      Schrodinger’s congressperson–no one can know how they would have voted, because they didn’t hold a vote

  • DaftPunk
  • sibusisodan

    Will this be more damaging to this administration than the failure of Clinton was for his?

    I can’t see Trump getting more leverage over his party in future. He’s shown he’s a flake.

    • busker type

      I think so… they have been running against the ACA full tilt for over six years. They just showed the nation that the entire party is full of shit. This is crushing.

      • busker type

        On further reflection, I think passing Trumpcare would have been an even bigger defeat for them in the long run. Lol.

      • Domino

        How does this play in Republican house primaries? Will a bunch of them have legit concerns of being attacked for not getting rid of the ACA?

        • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

          Almost all of them can claim they were going to vote for it, but Ryan wouldn’t let them since most of the non-RWNJs avoided speaking publicly about how they were going to vote.

  • IM

    A lost floor vote would have been worse.

    But since they did admit defeat on thursday and arranged todays omnishambles, they got most of the damage anyway.

  • Harkov311

    Remember when purity ponies told us that Obamacare was a failure because it wasn’t the public option or full-blown socialism? That was cute. The bar for failure was a lot higher then, apparently.

  • NewishLawyer

    What percentage of partisans is going to say this is all the “Demycrats” fault and believe it?

    I’d guess about 25 percent of the nation.

    The issue is whether they just sweep this under the rug and move on or try again soon.

    • Dennis Orphen

      It is Friday, although with the new media the news cycle ain’t what it used to be. Will it all be forgotten by Monday? My guess is yes, but I’ll quit being Eyore (more of a C. Rob type anyway by nature) because I think that what pushes this out of the news is going to be way more devastating for Team Red.

      I’m old enough to remember when daytime TV was all game shows and soap operas congressional hearings for months on end.

      • waspuppet

        Will it all be forgotten by Monday?

        About Tuesday, I’d say.

      • randy khan

        The Sunday yak shows will be devoted to this or, if the Administration is really lucky, this plus what Paul Manafort might tell the House Intelligence Committee.

    • IM

      27%

      • LosGatosCA

        That’s the old psychotic cult number.

        The alt right has driven it up to 45%.

        • Domino

          Considering the AHCA had a 17% approval rate, it wasn’t liked even by the cargo-cultists.

          • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

            Ryan must be a genius to come up with a plan to repeal Obamacare that was so unpopular. Your average idiot would have come up with something that got 25-33% support, at least.

            Shows what a serious policy wonk he is.

    • Uneekness

      Here’s what I think they will do (with the super caveat that I neither think it is a good strategy nor that it will work).

      First, they will throw as much sand in the gears administratively as they can carry. As Kevin Drum has noted, the law is generally fine (with some localized exceptions).

      Second they will line up the conservosphere media outlets to constantly pound the drums of “collapsing Obamacare”, and trot out administrative figures to say “our hands are tied by this system that was designed to fail.” (That’s my prediction for the phrase du jour in the next month or so).

      Finally, those same outlets will pump out story after story about how, if only Democrats cared about all these suffering people, they’d work with the President to make a deal to “fix our health care system now that Obamacare is failing.” (that’s my other prediction – that the phrase repeal and replace will disappear in favor of this)

      Now again, I don’t think that this will actually work – BUT, in a world where they can pump this uniform message out day after day (as opposed to the GOP and GOP-leaners getting their info from the reality the rest of us share), I think it helps them soften the losses from any default “The President’s Party Gets Blamed For Everything Always” losses in 2018.

      • The Lorax

        Absolutely this will work. And it will work because CNN, NPR, etc. won’t tell people the truth for fear of being called liberal. It will be “Republicans blame Democrats. Democrats blame Republicans. Partisan bickering.” Blah blah blah. They don’t have the courage to say: Obamacare needs minor tweaks, none of which the GOP is willing to implement.

    • los

      From very scant look: Ryan’s getting alt-hell
      because…
      “altcuckery can’t fail; altcuckery can only be failed.”

      • N__B

        Isn’t Ryan more of a Galtcuck? AFAF.

    • pillsy

      Dude, we want them to believe that.

      Trump’s case is literally, “It’s the Democrats’ fault we couldn’t pass this steaming dog turd of a bill that 5 out of 6 Americans hated!”

      • rachelmap

        How many people laughing in his face will it take before he stops that line of hooey?

  • alexceres

    I don’t get how blaming the Democrats isn’t just more own goals.

    “Yes, we defeated you weak orange losers”

    I mean that’s not what happened, but if he wants to give us credit for kicking his ass and humiliating him, I’m okay with that

    • Anna in PDX

      Never fly in the beltway. All the high broderites would clutch their pearls and say that the Dems are being mean and not helping to govern. Actually they say that anyhow so yes, Dems should take total credit for killing this bill even though it was the evil people who were mad that it was not evil enough.

      • alexceres

        What kind of morons accentuate and amplify their political opponents power by crediting them unnecessarily and gratuitously for victories they had no hand in winning ?

        • Pete

          (1) Trump’s not talking to Democrats or those who support them, and (2) It’s better than saying “we had the majority in both Houses of Congress and a President who would sign anything, but we couldn’t agree on what to do.”

          • alexceres

            Sure except that doesn’t help with any of the voters that are genuinely up for grabs. That only helps with those who are pulling the R lever regardless of how many nazi Russian white supremacist moles are on the republican ticket

          • Domino

            It’s gravy all the way for Democrats.

            1. Considering the entire bill was crafted quickly, with only Republicans coming up with the bill, it’s hilarious to say “not one Democrat supported the bill”. You never even talked to the Democrats, let alone try to peel off votes. Even if it didn’t make political sense to outright oppose it, Trump and Co. never attempted to win over anyone.

            2. Tens of millions of American keep their healthcare, which should always be considered a win.

    • Phil Perspective

      I love how people RT a shitweasel(Menendez) who just the day before voted to confirm Cheeto’s Ambassador to Israel. A guy who said left-wings Jews are the devil’s spawn.

      • Howlin Wolfe

        So therefore we must deem everything he says as being completely without merit

        • Domino

          Don’t worry, Phil won’t stick around to add anything. Only good for hit-and-runs. Always has time for that, never time to actually come back and add anything.

  • random

    Breitbart comments are interesting right now. Don’t think his approval rating is gonna recover any time soon.

    • Anna in PDX

      Oh please share some!

      • Dennis Orphen

        And save us from having to read them. I don’t go anywhere but here, or my banks websites, maybe Probe is Turning on the People, but that one is easy to keep up with and is archived back to the stone age.

        Not even twitter or facebook. Especially those two. Okay, I went to the Multnomah County Library Classic Card Catalog today to see if they has a very obscure book a friend was curious about. They did. Central open stacks and available. I’m 600 miles away and they’ll mail it to me, if I want them too. Try that with social media.

        • random

          Nice.

      • random

        Brief summary: everyone hates Paul Ryan, half hate Trump and the other half are trying to convince themselves that this was Trump’s clever plan all along but deep down know it’s a lie.

        Can’t remember those guys ever sounding this demoralized before. I’m having a good Friday.

    • los

      random says:

      Breitbart comments are interesting right now. Don’t think his approval rating is gonna recover any time soon.

      Really?
      Do the zeta cuck male breitbart tired of whining whines look something like:
      “President Trump is losing just like we elected him to lose1!”
      ?

      Ketchup!

      • zeta cuck

        For future reference, note that zeta is the sixth letter (of 24) in the Greek alphabet; omega is the last.

        • proportionwheel

          So are you saying there are really 24 levels of cuckdom?

          • random

            enter the cucktagon

          • Warren Terra

            I read Lee’s comment as saying these are a bunch of half-educated anglocentric buffoons bluffing an erudition they don’t possess.

            • N__B

              I tried bluffing my erudition. Now I’m not allowed in Dennys.

        • los

          thanks.
          I will have to justify zeta under (pseudo) onomatopoeic license. :-)

          So maybe “Zed” needs another syllable at the end.
          Zed, dohh, Cuck
          ?

  • waspuppet

    He demanded they vote Friday, then he demanded they pull the bill. And they jumped at his demands each time. Just like they do every time.

    This is just a reality placeholder for a few years from now, when no Republican voter will admit to voting for Trump and no GOP on Capitol Hill will admit ever having heard of him. They’ll all get away with it, but still.

    • Pete

      I strongly suspect Ryan strongly urged him to agree with Ryan’s decision to pull the bill. The only reason to force a vote would be so Trump he could take names for future vengeance. The added public humiliation is not worth it.

    • Domino

      In 2 years time, Donald Trump will claim he never tried to repeal the ACA.

      • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

        In 2 years days time.

        Well, maybe a bit longer if he keeps tweeting about it.

    • los

      waspuppet says:

      no GOP on Capitol Hill will admit ever having heard of him.

      Nixon’s ghost will flow into Trump’s whitehouse “penthouse” and drag Trump into the underworld

      The ketchup spilled from the snifter laid sideways on the floor will puzzle staff, but provide no clues.

      Don’t Ask; Don’t Tell.

  • Warren Terra

    In sterling accomplishment in both-sides-ism, via Josh Marshall, I give you (drumroll, please): Ron Fournier:

    Now both parties have failed to craft health care reform commanding broad public support. Leave me out of debate over whose failure is worse

    Harold Pollack @haroldpollack
    GOP had 7 years to craft AHCA that might truly command public support. Didn’t do it. Great enemy of clear policy formation is insincerity.

    • Anna in PDX

      JFC that’s peak Fournier right there

      • nemdam

        One student got an F on the test. The other got an A-. They both failed equally according to Fournier. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        • Warren Terra

          You can just imagine Fournier watching any televised team sport and ranting at the screen about how the teams could score a lot more points if they’d just work together.

          • Dennis Orphen

            Slightly OT, but we are socialized to compete rather than cooperate, to the longer detriment of both the individual and the group as a whole. Maybe I’ve been listening overhearing too many white older (and younger, ugh) just trash HRC this week as I’ve been using a California Starbucks as my office lately.

            Not kidding about the HRC thing. Seems to be the standard suburban middle class response to the events they are ignoring at the moment.

            • jim, some guy in iowa

              from which direction are they trashing her?

              (thanx for the Eaglesmith headup. new to me)

              • Dennis Orphen

                New to me too, some dj on KVMR played it way late on Sunday night. Having trouble finding the playlist. She gets attacked from all directions in 3 dimensions, like a point source of light, only backwards. And it doesn’t make any sense, so it’s hard to triangulate by our standards. Had to get you back for the Ron Gallo thing. Let’s keep it going.

            • Domino

              Uh, humans as a species are socialized to cooperate, that’s why lefties (like me) are only 11% of the population. It’d be much closer to 50/50 if humans were naturally supposed to compete against each other.

        • los

          One student got an F on the test.

          One student tried so hard (even honking the horn of a big black truck) to get an F on the test, but got a C…

  • DrDick

    Can I just say how much joy all this gives me.

    • The Dark God of Time

      As our Teutonic forefathers might’ve said, it’s weekends and sunshine. I think you’ll know the original English version….

      • bender

        Thank you so much for this. What a good version. I fell down the rabbit hole as far as “My lLittle Green Cactus.”

  • Abbey Bartlet

    I don’t know why we’re all so excited. They never even wanted to repeal and replace it. PPOTUS at a press conference today: “I never said repeal and replace Obamacare.”

    • Pete

      And when he did say it, he was just repeating the media’s words…

      • MyNameIsZweig

        It’s just what people were saying. Lots of people.

      • Hogan

        Locker room talk. I’ve heard Bill Clinton say worse things on the golf course. A joke. It had quotation marks. Seriously not literally. She said she was eighteen. It was like that when I got here. That’s not my signature.

        • efgoldman

          It was like that when I got here. That’s not my signature.

          The check is in the mail. Of course it doesn’t make you look fat.

    • Dennis Orphen

      Full bore Stalinism, and the only place I even get an idea from people around me (other than my old school radical friends) that anything was even happening on health care is here, with some fluff I see on the front pages of the local papers, crowded out by headlines parroting Goruschs lies as truth.

      Sloppy typing but who gives a ff.

      This one won’t have to go down the memory hole. It never poked its head out as far as most people are concerned.

      Yes, Eyore, I know. Just have to vent, not mad at the community here, you help keep my the right kind of crazy….

    • osceola

      Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) was asked how they could pass repeal 6 or 7 times when Obama was pres. but not under a GOP pres. He said it was like the difference between playing fantasy football and playing in a real game. He admitted that when they sent it to Obama they knew he would veto it. But if they put it on Trump’s desk he would sign it and they would all have to own the consequences.

      • efgoldman

        But if they put it on Trump’s desk he would sign it and they would all have to own the consequences.

        Surprised that he’d say so out loud. It shows some connection to reality. Of course, he’s been in congress since before the inmates TOTALLY took over the asylum (1985).

    • JKTH

      Christ, I figured he’d at least take the weekend off before resorting to that.

  • SNF

    It was yet another collection of mouth noises from the world’s greatest spokesmodel for white exceptionalism.

    Trump is a pretty terrible spokeman for white supremacy. If anything, comparing him to his predecessor would give some evidence to the idea of black supremacy.

    • Vance Maverick

      But he has “perfect genes” (sic!!).

    • efgoldman

      Trump is a pretty terrible spokeman for white supremacy.

      He’s a pretty terrible spokesperson for anything at all. MAGA my ass.

  • Aexia

    The alt-right types are celebrating this as a way to get rid of Paul Ryan. They always saw this as a way to shiv him.

    • PotemkinMetropolitanRegion

      Should I cheer the fall of Ryan? Would his replacement be crazier/less effective?

      • Dennis Orphen

        Didn’t he reluctantly take the job in the first place because there were no other viable candidates?

        • Warren Terra

          Yeah, just like anyone would reluctantly deign to accept the object of the lifelong ambitions. You’re not suggesting anyone but officially lobotomized members of the beltway press corps took his reluctant act seriously, are you?

          • Dennis Orphen

            I don’t know, if I can make the same amount of money for a fraction of the headaches, I know what I would do. What I don’t take too seriously is the true believer act. It’s all about the money, and altruism just doesn’t pay cash, but fascist proxy does (although with some inherent dangers, such as Joker’s Henchmen level of expendability.

            Of course, I accept a unique set of premises, so the same formal logic may lead me to unique conclusions. I also don’t accept those premises as dogmatic truth, as any logician knows, the conclusions are true only if the premises are true. So my various arguments are if abcd is true then wxyz is true. But I only suggest that abcd might be true, not that they necessarily are.

            gotta lay of the coffee, but it’s raining so hard here today, the whole town is trapped inside.

            • Hogan

              I don’t know, if I can make the same amount of money for a fraction of the headaches, I know what I would do.

              House Speaker is about a $30K/year bump, and it puts you in the line of succession for the presidency, which might have more value than usual in these modern times.

              • Dennis Orphen

                Thank you. Preesh. I’m to frazzled to do any more than the necessary research for my own Travis McGee meet Pippi Longstocking needs.

                Poor guy, extra 30K puts him in higher tax bracket, he has no incentive.

                • Hogan

                  Travis McGee meet Pippi Longstocking

                  I don’t always agree with you, but we’re definitely friends now.

                • Dennis Orphen

                  Great, I feel you’re all my friends here, whether or not you feel that way about me. I would have added one more fictional name to that list (D**n C***o), and put them all in Two Lane Blacktop, but I’m only going to reveal so much about myself, even though the more you tell the truth about anything, the less people believe it (or outright ignore it a la the airport scene in Trading Places, a skill I often practice while s*******g and t**** ******g.

                  The Two Lane Blacktop aspect is the best of all.

                • rachelmap

                  and it puts you in the line of succession for the presidency

                  I was rooting for Louis Gohmert (Slogan: Why choose anyone less than a perfect idiot?) up until you reminded me of that.

            • efgoldman

              What I don’t take too seriously is the true believer act.

              I think he truly believes in the goddess Ayn and her proxy Galt.

          • efgoldman

            just like anyone would reluctantly deign to accept the object of the lifelong ambitions.

            He reluctantly Peter Principled himself on his own ambition.
            Sam Rayburn is spinning in his grave.

        • MyNameIsZweig

          No, he wanted that job, but he wanted to make them beg him to do it, because he didn’t want to look like he wanted the job. If he could make them publicly beg him, then a) his stock goes up with his voters back home, and b) his ego gets a few starbursts.

      • Warren Terra

        I keep throwing this out there: there’s no rule the Speaker has to be a member of Congress (or even, I think, an adult, a citizen, or a living human being). And, apropos of nothing, Jared Kushner is skiing in Aspen so presumably has some time free.

          • jim, some guy in iowa

            it’s a lost cause to be resentful they refer to trump as ‘commander-in-chief’ in a situation like this, isn’t it

            still, overall this makes me smile

            • Hogan

              it’s a lost cause to be resentful they refer to trump as ‘commander-in-chief’ in a situation like this, isn’t it

              Let’s put a pin in that one and come back to it later.

          • Warren Terra

            Jesus. I mean, I’m not surprised he’s blaming everyone around him for his failure, Downfall style, but the sheer delusion of imagining that any member of Congress would care for a nanosecond what Jared Kushner might say or do to alter their vote, or for that matter what input he might have into the crafting of legislation. Similarly Ivanka.

            • Warren Terra

              I mean, I guess Kushner could’ve offered to bribe them with some of that sweet, sweet $400 million gift the People’s Republic of China recently gave him. So, there is that …

              (or maybe Kushner could offer them an edit function? Just saying)

              • Dennis Orphen

                I will research that, thanks Warren.

                WTF? Okay, that’s gross, wonder what the net is.

                And 666 Fifth Avenue? My, we are all dead and living in some new reality. Fuck, I even saw Lew Welch’s stepson in a Scottsdale dugout wearing a Giants uniform being interviewed by Duane Kuiper (Go Racine!) last night because the Mariners were just crushing it and nobody here cared about a lost spring training game anyway.

                peak weird yet?

            • Hogan

              I suspect for Trump the “you need to do this” message needs to come from the inner inner circle. Ryan telling him “you need to do this” isn’t good enough until he gets the command code from Ivanka or Jared.

            • efgoldman

              the sheer delusion of imagining that any member of Congress would care for a nanosecond what Jared Kushner might say or do to alter their vote

              So who’s calling CNN four or five times a day?

              A source close to President Trump told CNN that the commander-in-chief was frustrated with his daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared Kushner’s decision to go on a vacation in the heat of the debate over ObamaCare repeal.

              “[Trump] is upset that his son-in-law and senior adviser was not around during this crucial week,” the source said, according to a CNN report.

              • Dennis Orphen

                Just imagine if Hilary was President and she said that about Chelsea and {googles} Marc? I will never, ever reach peak disgust with the hypocrites and their clueless, hatefilled (or both) enablers. Never. It’s fucked up.

  • Pete

    From the linked Costa piece:

    “I don’t blame Paul,” Trump said. He then repeated the phrase: “I don’t blame Paul. He worked very hard on this.” And again. “I don’t blame Paul at all.”

    He blames Paul.

    • Warren Terra

      Yeah, in a mafia movie that scene would involve Trump warmly greeting Ryan and kissing him on both cheeks, just so you knew the betrayal was coming in the next scene or two.

      • Dennis Orphen

        How can you be betrayed by someone who has no power over you, and never trusted in the first place? Ryan holds way more power over Trump than the other way around.

        Trump will be thrown under the bus. We shouldn’t let that happen, because we have to throw them all under at the same time, or they will just grow back like blackberries, or the heads of a hydra, or cockroaches (sorry, cockroaches, I didn’t really mean that, but time presses and you guys have a rep….)

    • Nepos

      “Brutus is an honorable man.”

  • Joe_JP

    Is this good or bad news for our Russian overlords?

    • Dennis Orphen

      They do not care about our internal politics. Does this distract from their foreign policy (slow red dawn) here in the former USA? If so, good. If not, neutral. Good gamblers only take calculated risks with no real downside in the medium to long term.

      • Dennis Orphen

        I should have written ‘policy’ instead of politics.

      • DrDick

        Actually, I think this is exactly what they wanted, our government in complete chaos and unable to effectively respond to what ever they are doing.

  • los

    heavy bout [orgy] of auto-asphyxiation

  • anapestic

    As a CPA, I can confirm that our inability to recruit from local duck ponds is equally absolute as the Republican’s inability to repeal and replace Obamacare. Which case is more hopeless remains a tough call.

  • jpgray

    Nice and Reid-like from Chuck:

    Ultimately, the TrumpCare bill failed because of two traits that have plagued the Trump presidency since he took office: incompetence and broken promises. In my life, I have never seen an administration as incompetent as the one occupying the White House today.

    They can’t write policy that actually makes sense, they can’t implement the policies they do manage to write, they can’t get their stories straight, and today we’ve learned that they can’t close a deal, and they can’t count votes,” he said.

    So much for the Art of the Deal.

    So if you are Dem strategy czar, do you:

    A. Come up with a patch-up bill to address problems going forward with the ACA, making it as deficit-neutral and soak-the-unpopular-rich as you like, or

    B. Just stand back from this mess and trust the right inferences will be drawn?

    • Dennis Orphen

      A: Won’t get out of the committee the G.P. doesn’t know or even care exists, while the MSM reports on {fill in the irrelevant blank}

      B: Sitting on the bank of the river waiting for the body of your enemy to float by is always my preferred strategy absent clear opportunities for gain through calculated risk. And it’s easy. And the defender always has a clear cut tactical advantage, ceteris parabus, so why not?

      • Dennis Orphen

        …paribius…. (I don’t want to seem any stupider than I have too when I don’t benefit from being underestimated.

        • Dennis Orphen

          …paribus…

          Maybe I’ll try Opera.

          • Steve LaBonne

            I use Opera (for Android). Let’s see if I’m getting an edit button.

            • Steve LaBonne

              Nope!

              • Dennis Orphen

                I get one on my Chrome for android, but none on my Firefox for PC, even with all the add-ons disabled. Thanks for the heads up, and I thought I would return the favor.

                • Warren Terra

                  For the last week my Chrome for Windows and Chrome For Android had an edit button, but neither has for the last day or so.

              • DrDick

                Nothing with Firefox on my PC.

      • jpgray

        My concern is that the body is floating down not a river but the aqueduct we built, and if it stops up the flow or pollutes it, will the Trumplines be “Failing Obamaqueduct Ruins Lives?” It’s of course awkward for you when you’re utterly in power and promised to “fix” it day one… maybe I’m over-worrying this.

        As for the won’t get out of committee, that’s a feature, not a bug. Impervious fantasy bill can be way more impervious because it WON’T be brought up for a vote, so it can be short, sweet, soak the unpopular rich, fix the ACA’s issues, and not add to the deficit.

    • petesh

      I lean to going with A, but I’ll accept whatever Pelosi decides.

      • nemdam

        If there’s a lesson to relearn from all of this, it’s to trust Pelosi to run the House. Can she be Speaker again already?

        • busker type

          No shit… I love her again!

        • Lurking Canadian

          I know I’m dreaming in technicolor, but seriously if things keep going the way they have been going, we might get to see President Pelosi sworn in sometime in 2019.

    • Abbey Bartlet

      I’m betting this picks up a few cosponsors next week.

      • vic rattlehead

        I can dream can’t I

      • Snuff curry

        Hmm. Needs a snappier acronym.

      • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

        Hey, there’s no Republicans on that list.

        If only they'd reach out to Moderate Republicans by including a provision to abolish Medicare, then they'd make Wolf happy.

    • A. Repeat on a regular basis Trump’s announcements that he plans to ruin health care for millions of American by letting Obamacare fail.

      B. Note that he has said he will wait until Democrats are ready to deal.

      A C. Come up with a patch-up bill to address problems going forward with the ACA, making it as deficit-neutral and soak-the-unpopular-rich as you like.

    • Mellano

      Schumer shouldn’t be so quick to gloat. Trump is using his patent-pending Art of the Deal mojo on the U.S. Congress.

      Step one was to show the Republican establishment the downside of their half-a-loaf replacement efforts.

      Step two will be to expose the Freedom Caucus to public rejection of their straight ACA repeal.

      Step three will be to cut a deal with the Democrats of repeal in exchange for nothing catastrophic health insurance.

      And this will obviously work, because, well … because Trump’s the hero of this story.

      • vic rattlehead

        Lol!

  • LosGatosCA

    Can’t read every comment but I sure hope everyone is happy that the contradictions surely have been heightened.

  • pillsy

    If Bob Menendez is dunking on you on Twitter, it’s way past time to reconsider your life choices.

    • vic rattlehead

      Hey, you’re dissing the second best Senator from New Jersey!

  • Gary K

    “The Art of the Deal” anagrams to “Health Rot Defeat.”

    • vic rattlehead

      My favorite anagram is “Heated Fart Hotel”

      • N__B

        I think I’ve stayed in that establishment.

        • vic rattlehead

          My wife stays there every night.

  • Dr. Ronnie James, DO

    And to top it off, I think the strategy of, “let’s wait 12 months for the marketplaces to fail, and then blame that on the Democrats, too” seems like an even stupider strategy than the one they just “executed.”

  • N__B

    Crossword spoilers below!
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    Saturday’s NYT crossword contains the answers “laid an egg” and “amateur hour.” You decide what that means.

    • Ken

      Obama loaned Will Shortz the time machine?

      (Also neatly explains the “D-Day crosswords” back in 1944.)

      • Warren Terra

        You mean this story, right?

        I thought I had a similar recollection about crosswords and Coventry, but either was conflating the two or maybe I’m remembering a fictional version inspired by the D-Day story.

  • ASV

    The Republicans blew a 237-193 lead.

    [h/t some Deadspin commenter]

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