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Oh, America.

A high-profile pro-gun activist was shot in the back by her four-year-old son after he found her pistol lying on the back seat of her truck just 24 hours after he boasted about his shooting skills online.

Jamie Gilt, 31, who posts about firearms on her social media accounts was driving through Putnam County, Jacksonville, Florida, on Tuesday in her truck when she was wounded after the toddler picked up the weapon and shot her in the back.

It came just a day after she said the youngster would get ‘jacked up’ before a shooting practice on a page dedicated to her musings on Second Amendment rights.

On the profile Jamie Gilt for Gun Sense she wrote: ‘Even my 4 year old gets jacked up to target shoot with the .22’.

She reportedly believes she has the right to shoot anyone who threatens her family – and plans to teach her offspring the same mentality.

Her four-year-old son picked up a loaded .45 semi-automatic handgun from the back seat, pointed it towards his mother and pulled the trigger.

The powerful round went through the front seat and passed through Gilt’s body .

Gilt flagged down a passing Sheriff’s deputy and told him that she had been shot.

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  • pillsy

    More specifically: Florida.

    • Judas Peckerwood

      Florida Woman!

      • The Dark God of Time

        Now equipped with Florida Child!

        • los

          In honor of what ‘jacked’ Florida celebrity Patriot did Momma Gunshot Wound name her son, a four year old? Who was in the news four years ago?
          On the night of February 26, 2012, in Sanford, Florida, United States, George Zimmerman fatally shot Trayvon Martin
          George Zimmerman Git is the perfect name for Jamie Gunshot Wound Git’s jacked little guntike.

          • Halloween Jack

            What’s your source on that? (I don’t mean the Wikipedia article, what she named her son.)

            • Just_Dropping_By

              I’m pretty sure the source is los’ nether regions — as of one minute ago, Google searches for “George Zimmerman Gilt,” “George Z. Gilt,” and “George Gilt” (all in quotation marks) turn up nothing relating to Jamie Gilt.

  • Colin Day

    This could be rough year for irony-meters.

    • BruceJ

      Only if the EPA regulates vaporized irony meter as a pollutant.

      Otherwise it’s a windfall year for the irony meter industry.

  • The jaw, it is unhinged. Like the country, it seems.

    • Nobdy

      “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

      Do you see an age restriction anywhere in those words?

      NO!

      The founders clearly intended four-year-old to be permitted to lawfully and responsibly possess guns.

      For many children their “binky” is a stuffed animal or a special blanket. For him it was a loaded semi-automatic handgun, which he had the right to lawfully and responsibly possess.

      There’s nothing wrong with that.

      We should arm fetuses so they can protect themselves against abortion doctors. In fact it should be a law that all women upon learning that they are pregnant have loaded handguns implanted into their uteruses so that the fetus can exercise his or her right to self-protection.

      • Derelict

        Only a good toddler with a gun can stop . . .

      • Dr. Ronnie James, DO

        Half those words were just meaningless filigree anyway!

      • Breadbaker

        If a four year old can defend himself in immigration court, then he can clearly handle a gun. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2016/0306/Can-toddlers-defend-themselves-in-immigration-court-One-judge-says-so

        • los

          “a four year old can defend himself in immigration court, then he can clearly handle with a gun”

      • los

        But there’s a solution to America’s scandulous scourge of unarmed uborn personhoods: NRA Crisis Pregnancy Armories, “Stick ’em up, for our L’il Unborn Eagles!”

        • los

          By the Second Amendment, no liberal Planned Parenthood can deprive a Patriotic Grizzly Mama’s ‘child’ of its unborn inalienable right to a Barrett M82
          “Stick ‘Em Up!”

  • Nobdy

    A high-profile pro-gun activist was shot in the back by her four-year-old son after he found her pistol lying on the back seat of her truck just 24 hours after he boasted about his shooting skills online.

    Is this correct or is there an s missing here?

    It’s hard to tell because on the one hand you don’t think of a four-year-old as being able to brag about anything online and most don’t have any access to the Internet.

    On the other hand if you’re leaving a loaded gun in the backseat with your toddler, well, who knows if you’re doing any parenting at all.

    Chances that this incident changes any of her views? I’d estimate 0%. Maybe she says “I should have taken personal responsibility and secured my weapon” but LITERALLY GETTING SHOT will not teach her that guns are dangerous and need to be regulated.

    Meanwhile if you suggested that her four-year-old be permitted to drive a car she’d look at you like you were crazy.

    • It’s a direct quote from the article. Copyeditors, presumably, know better than to live in Florida.

      • efgoldman

        It’s a direct quote from the article. Copyeditors, presumably, know better than to live in Florida.

        A young man of my acquaintance is a writer/reporter/columnist for the #2 daily (tabloid) paper in a major market. I asked him straight out if there were any copy editors. One word answer: “No.”
        Buggy whip makers, manual typewriter maintainers, carburetor service….

    • medrawt

      “Chances that this incident changes any of her views?”

      The only hope is that she or someone around her successfully confronts her with the reality that, her son playing with a loaded .45 in the back seat, him shooting her – even him killing her – is not the worst plausible outcome of that scenario.

      Unless she really lets that thought live in her skull, then no.

      • PhoenixRising

        +.357

        • efgoldman

          +.357

          No, only .45

      • ThrottleJockey

        Darwin Award already. And its only March 9th.

        • Origami Isopod

          Nope. She survived, the kid survived. It would have been a Darwin Award only if both of them had died and she’d had no other children.

          • Schadenboner

            I think that technically you can survive a Darwin Award-level event, it just has to remove your ability to reproduce.

            Still doesn’t qualify but an important distinction.

          • Kid didn’t want competition. Therefore handgun hysterectomy.

            • Schadenboner

              handgun hysterectomy

              Bandname.

              • los

                cruel and unusual punishment of the firearm.

              • Just_Dropping_By

                Too soon after what happened to Anna on Agent Carter!

    • searcher

      I dunno, she might at least learn that a .45 has insufficient stopping power for personal defense.

      • LiveFreeOrShop

        Seems to have stopped HER! Actually the old classic .45 was developed for infantry–gotta be a pun there someplace–specifically for its stopping power. It’s relatively inaccurate except at close range…like the back seat.

        • Hogan

          There’s probably some federal safety requirement for the construction of car front seats. WHICH MUST BE REPEALED BECAUSE FREEDOM [gasp] [choke] [die]

        • Ahuitzotl

          Your backseat is inaccurate except at close range?

    • mds

      Maybe she says “I should have taken personal responsibility and secured my weapon”

      Honestly, at this point I would take this as an improvement, but I’m not holding my breath. “Securing your weapon” means a precious second or two when the radical Islamist / blackety-black person / Girl Scout can get the jump on you. Hell, I’m surprised the NRA hasn’t gotten Congress to pass a ban on safety catches.

      (I’m so old, I can remember back to a time when the NRA still put some emphasis on actual firearm safety. Fundamentalist Baptists were generally okay with abortion then, too. What a crazy world.)

      • BruceJ

        Yeah, how about securing the 4-year old, who, per florida law is supposed to still be strapped into a car seat.

        Perhaps she misread the law as strapped, on a seat in a car…

  • JustRuss

    I’m all for Gun Sense, but unlike Miss Gilt, my version of it doesn’t include letting a 4-year-old fire a .22. Or buckling him in next to a loaded .45.

    • los

      “letting a 4-year-old fire a …”
      witness (a type of competition on) youtube

    • Ellie1789

      Lucky for her, not a problem. He wasn’t buckled in. Seat belts are also a Big Government conspiracy.

      • Just_Dropping_By

        The reporting I’ve seen said it wasn’t clear whether he was originally buckled in or not. My own 4 year-old is entirely capable of undoing the straps and latches on his car seat by himself, so it hardly seems implausible that this kid unbuckled himself at some point, whether prior to the shooting or afterwards.

  • Fighting Words

    I have to say that I really feel bad for the 4 year old child.

    • Judas Peckerwood

      For real. One day after boasting about his shooting skills online, and that’s the best he could do? He’ll never live that down.

      • koolhand21

        May have done better with the bullseye decal for the back of the front seats. Hmmm, a new business opportunity.

        • JonH

          Do they make a mommy-and-child stickfigure sticker for the back of the car, where the mother has a bleeding through-and-through chest wound?

          • los

            “Armed baby on Board”

      • Origami Isopod

        You’ve probably already seen the correction but she was the one boasting about that online.

    • rea

      She reportedly believes she has the right to shoot anyone who threatens her family – and plans to teach her offspring the same mentality.

      Her four-year-old son picked up a loaded .45 semi-automatic handgun from the back seat, pointed it towards his mother and pulled the trigger.

      So, in other words, he’s a good boy who does exactly what his mother tells him to do.

      • LiveFreeOrShop

        Clearly standing his gwound.

        • !!!!

          Tonstant weader shot mummy.

          • jim, some guy in iowa

            it would be interesting to see what Mrs Parker had to say about a lot of things going on these days

            • Lee Rudolph

              “We’re not in Kansas any more, Toto!”?

      • MgM63

        “I told you I wasn’t eating those strained peas, bitch!”

        • Halloween Jack

          “Nap this!”

    • ChrisTS

      Far worse are the many recent cases of kids accidentally killing a parent, sibling, or friend.

      How the hell does a kid come back from that?

      • Schadenboner

        It’s true: there are no second acts in American lives.

  • Well, I’m once again puzzled by putzes who don’t understand that Mr. Safety is our friend. But I’m glad the boy wasn’t harmed by mom’s stupidity. Physically at least.

    • Nobdy

      A safety isn’t necessarily going to stop a four year old, who is playing with the gun, from unlatching it.

      What you’re talking about would be something like a trigger lock, which we all know are unconstitutional assaults on our liberty.

      • tsam

        Or maybe taking the fucking bullets out of it. Crazy, but it works.

    • PhoenixRising

      The weapon may not have a safety, if that is what you are referencing.

      Honest to dog, I’ve known a LOT of gun owners in my sort life and exactly 0 of them would leave a loaded .45 (or any other gun) in a place that a 4 year old could get at it.

      Loose in a moving car…was the child in his car seat? Florida does require the use of that item, but doesn’t outlaw teaching a 4 year old to shoot.

      • Merkwürdigliebe

        Even without the poor kid in the picture – what if she needed to stop abruptly or crashed into something, sending the loaded gun flying through the compartment?

      • Colleen

        I hope she is prosecuted for child endangerment! It’s only through an enormous amount of luck that the toddler didn’t kill her or himself. I have heard of parent’s being prosecuted after a child shooting- or is that another law we only enforce when black people do it?

        • Nobdy

          Wasn’t there a rash of black women being sent to jail for letting their kids play in public parks recently?

          The women were generally working or on job interviews and they let their kids play outside, which was a criminal offense due to the negligence they showed.

          Now if the kids had had guns to defend themselves while in the parks maybe that would have shown they took reasonable precautions!

        • efgoldman

          I hope she is prosecuted for child endangerment!

          In Florida? What was that about irony meters?

        • ThrottleJockey

          They only prosecute black people for that.

        • JonH

          “toddler didn’t kill her or himself.”

          Or someone in another car.

        • Ahuitzotl

          It’s Florida, so no chance, no matter how merited.

      • FridayNext

        Not sure about safety seat but this is in one article I found.

        “There was a booster seat in the back of the vehicle, but however the boy was not strapped in when the deputy got to them,” Wells said.

        • Origami Isopod

          Car seats impinge on babby’s FREADUMB!!!!!

          • rm

            My libertarian uncle made that argument to me when we visited with our toddler. They were driving us somewhere and we insisted on the car seat, which represented government regulation restricting his freedom. Luckily guns were not part of the situation.

          • Just_Dropping_By

            You do realize that a 4 year-old can be capable of unbuckling themselves from a car seat, right? I speak from personal experience.

      • Captain Oblivious

        The original article included a picture of a .45-caliber pistol from her FB page. The photo is of a 1911-style Kimber. 1911s have three “safeties”:

        1. A standard thumb safety that must be released.
        2. A grip safety that must be squeezed when you pull the trigger.
        3. A hammer that only cocks if you manually cock it or rack the slide – as with all “single action” pistols, pulling the trigger will not fire the weapon unless the hammer is already cocked.

        That’s not counting the additional safety of not carrying a round in the chamber.

        It’s possible the weapon the kid picked up was not this particular pistol. She comes across as the type to have a .45 Glock lying around somewhere. They all do. Standard Glocks have no safety mechanism worth the name “safety”.

        I doubt a 4-year-old could manage the grip safety + trigger pull (about 4.5 pounds) on a Kimber let alone take the thumb safety off AND cock the hammer and/or rack the slide.

        However, a lot of morons who own 1911s (which is a very fine design if used properly) do carry one in the chamber, which means the hammer is cocked, because pretty much the only way to get a round in the chamber is to rack the slide, which cocks the hammer, and there’s no safe way on a conventional 1911 to decock the hammer with a round in the chamber. You have to unload the weapon to decock safely.

        So if this was the weapon in question, the most likely explanation is that Junior was fiddling with the hammer and decocked it. BANG!

        • efgoldman

          That’s not counting the additional safety of not carrying a round in the chamber.

          Or the additional additional safety of not leaving the fucking weapon just lying there.

          • tsam

            And the most important one, clearing the goddamn thing unless you’re about to shoot it.

        • I own a 1911 but I’ve never understood the cult that surrounds this particular weapon.

          • Captain Oblivious

            Yeah, same here. (Actually, I no longer own a 1911, but I had one I used in competitive shooting way back when I was into that).

            On the list of sidearms I might consider carrying for personal defense (and I don’t carry), a 1911 would be pretty far down the list.

            Having spent too much of my life hanging around gunsuckers, I suspect the cult of the 1911 is partly because using one is perceived as a higher art form than, say, a Glock. Mechanically, it’s certainly more complicated, and 1911s can be finicky if not properly maintained or if you use cheapo ammo. And a good 1911 costs a lot more than most of the mass-produced competitors.

            Right or wrong, the 1911 is perceived by some as a Lexus while the Glock is a Chevy. It’s something of a snob thing.

            • Captain Oblivious

              Meant to ETA but timed out:

              (1) The patents all ran out long ago, so all the major manufacturers have an affordable 1911 model;

              (2) A 1911 is a 1911 — aside from differences in trigger pull and recoil spring, if you can fire one, you can fire any. It’s not like you have to RTFM when you switch to another model in the same caliber.

              (3) Regarding (2), there’s a lot of info out there about repairing and customizing 1911s, and because there are no patents, finding parts isn’t a wallet-busting problem. nor do you have to take the weapon to a factory-authorized gunsmith.

              (4) The single-stack mag means a slimmer grip than on double- and stagger-stacked pistols like Glocks and Sigs. If you have small hands and feel the need for a .45, it’s not a bad choice.

              • Lee Rudolph

                If you have small hands and feel the need for a .45, it’s not a bad choice.

                So, ideal for the kiddies!

                …Are we sure that this gun in the back seat was not, in fact, the boy’s own gun? In which case he is the one who was not practicing Gun Safety! My, what a spanking he’ll get when Mommy’s home from the hospital.

                • N__B

                  If you have small hands and feel the need for a .45, it’s not a bad choice.

                  So, ideal for the kiddies!

                  Ideal for Drumpf!

              • I realize people like to customize their 1911s but I’d rather have something that works right out of the box rather than needing a bunch of work before it actually does what you want.

                • tsam

                  I hang out online occasionally with nerds who build computers. They buy brand new Core i7 processors and ramp up the clock cycles until the processor is just short of melting. It’s not that the i7 isn’t fast, they just do it because they can. I gather that’s the same thing with the 1911 models and ramping, trigger jobs, customized hammers, suppressors, etc.

                • Captain Oblivious

                  @tsam:

                  There’s that, too.

                  I build my own computers, BTW, but I don’t overclock them.

                • galanx

                  What kind of fun is that?- British motorcycle industry, early 1970s

          • tsam

            Mostly military fetishism.

        • Barry Freed

          Yeah, standard carry mode for folks into the 1911 is “cocked and locked” (at least the last time I was regularly shooting, which was sometime ago.) The racist right wing gun writer Jeff Cooper was a fan of this method and spread it far and wide. So I’m not the least bit surprised there was a round in the chamber and the hammer already pulled back into battery.

        • The Pale Scot

          There’s no safe way on a conventional 1911 to decock the hammer with a round in the chamber.

          If it’s mil spec, it has a floating firing pin which means even if the hammer was down it can still go off. Not going to bother to look up Kimber’s specs

    • MaureenDowdsLudes

      Forget the safety, what the fuck was a loaded pistol doing within arms reach of a toddler?

      • tsam

        Or loaded in the first fucking place?

        I think her kid caught wind of her plot to do a drive by shooting and stopped her.

        • MaureenDowdsLudes

          Heh.

        • los

          only a good toddler with a gun can stop a bad mommy

      • Captain Oblivious

        Why was it in the back seat? Toddler or no?

        All you ever hear from these gunsuckers is how they need to carry for personal protection. What did she think she was going to do if someone tried to carjack her?

        “Excuse me, sir, could you wait a moment while I fumble around behind my seat for my little friend?”

        They really are morons.

        • efgoldman

          What did she think she was going to do if someone tried to carjack her?

          “OK, little Johnny, do what we taught you.”

          • Captain Oblivious

            Plausible.

            A .45 round will go through most car doors, no problem.

          • JKTH

            McArdle approves.

        • If you fancy yourself to be some kind of badass gunfighter the least you can do is know where your fucking gun is.

        • Colleen

          My car’s front seats has this antique device on the back called a “MAP Compartment”- pretty sure it was used for celestial navigation or something. But I bet her gun was slid right down into that thin compartment. She probably left in there “for protection” thinking he didn’t even know about it. Unfortunately, kids notice way more than we give them credit for.

          • los

            celestial navigation
            “but mommy said that going to heaven is a good thing”

      • And it needs to be remembered that they have very short arms.

    • Dr. Ronnie James, DO

      The sad part is, the local governments that have tried gun safety initiatives* have seen good results (eg reductions in this type of accident), and yet the gun lobby is so spun up now it’s even opposing this type of thing now as an “infringement.”

      * because SCOTUS has fenced them in so tightly they can’t try anything stronger.

      • Captain Oblivious

        As a gun nut (hopefully, the good type), I’m all for gun safety initiatives. And fuck the NRA for opposing them.

        However, you still see trained professionals (e.g., cops, soldiers, firearms instructors) having “unintended discharge” incidents.

        There’s a lot that could be done to make the weapons themselves safer, especially with current technology, but because the gun business is so competitive, manufacturers don’t want to spend the money on R&D and retooling. And even relatively cheap improvements, like loaded-chamber indicators, meet resistance in some quarters.

        • tsam

          I’m really digging the biometric safeties that are starting to become available.

          • N__B

            Retinal scan cameras at the back of the barrel? You look in the front to unlock the gun?

            • tsam

              Hand print. Your hand is the only one that can fire the weapon. But I like where your head is at.

              • I saw that in a Judge Dredd strip circa 1985.

                • Halloween Jack

                  Heck, it was in Logan’s Run (the book, not the movie) in the early seventies.

              • los

                To qualify for the permit, the applicant need score only 9 out of 10?

            • LosGatosCA

              I’d like to see that made mandatory.

              Solve the whole gun issue in one generation.

              ‘Dad’s shot himself, just like mom, grandpa, grandma, uncle Al and aunt Sally’

              ‘Let me take a look at that.’

              ‘Jeebus, now Jethro’s gone too.’

              • Captain Oblivious

                I’m unclear on the physics here, as the chambered bullet would be between the end of the barrel and the scanner.

                It would be simpler to tell them there’s a retinal scanner that’s activated by pressing the trigger.

                • los

                  Single Barrel Reflex retinal scan system

                • los

                  retinal scanner that’s activated by pressing the trigger
                  Colonial Reversal joke:
                  If she floats, she’s human.
                  If she sinks, she’s one of those bony peasants.

          • Colleen

            You know the NRA is trying EVERYTHING possible to destroy even the concept of bio-metrics. They shut down a gun store in Rockville, Maryland over their plan to offer bio-metric guns.

        • sparks

          However, you still see trained professionals (e.g., cops, soldiers, firearms instructors) having “unintended discharge” incidents.

          Every week. Every single week. Usually while cleaning it.

          GunFAIL is one thing Dkos is useful for.

          • CHD

            This is largely due to a longstanding design flaw common to nearly all semi automatic pistols -certaily to any that use a clip in the grip. That is, when you take the clip out, a round can stay in the chamber. It’s an extra step to get that round out. That goes against all the rules of user friendly consumer product design; in nearly any other product it would have beem changed years ago.

            An automotive example of something similar: back in the day, you could start a manual transmission car even if it was in gear and the clutch engaged. So as soon as you turn the key the car jumps forward. (My mom did this in the garage in the late 60s; those of you of a certain age almost certainly know someone who did this.) Newer cars won’t start if the clutch is not in all the way. Just making it so that the chambered round comes out with the clip, or (probably easier to engineer) that it won’t fire without a clip even if the round is still there, would prevent virtually all “it went off when I cleaned it ” accidents. But fat chance of that happening.

            • LosGatosCA

              It’s one way to get guns in the hands of the next generation sooner.

            • Captain Oblivious

              There are some models with “magazine disconnects”. A lot of S&Ws and Rugers have them. I think some of the newer Glocks have them. I don’t know about other brands. I haven’t kept up to date on this shit now that I’m too blind to shoot.

              They should be mandatory — it’s a simple mechanism that adds no appreciable weight to the weapon. But, you know, NRA = No Reasonable Advances.

              • Lee Rudolph

                I haven’t kept up to date on this shit now that I’m too blind to shoot.

                I assume, then, that you don’t live in Florida ?

            • sparks

              Heh. Yes, I have seen people who didn’t depress the clutch when starting a car and had it jump, even though they knew how to handle a stick. Of course, their weapon usually wasn’t so deadly.

              I’ve been rather weak on gun control. The only thing is I’ve ever wanted is that a person who purchases a gun is civilly liable for that weapon even if it is stolen, also criminally liable if the weapon is misused by the owner, family, friends, or acquaintances. Not much, really.

              Some insurance company should do a good business insuring those owners, I’d think.

    • ChrisTS

      All: I’m pretty sure Shak is not talking about ‘having the safety X on;” I think she’s referencing general safety precautions.

      Like, ya know, NOT having a loaded gun next to your toddler in the back seat.

  • AlexRobinson

    Is it wrong to laugh?

    • PhoenixRising

      …no. She will survive this self-inflicted damage and live to derp another day.

      If a preschooler had killed his mother because of her carelessness and stupidity, that wouldn’t be funny, it would be tragic.

      • efgoldman

        She will survive this self-inflicted damage and live to derp another day.

        She’s goddamned lucky she’s not dead or severely injured. The kid could just as easily have put the round in a vital organ. A .45 does serious damage.
        Does the fact that she’s alive disqualify her for a Darwin award?

        • NonyNony

          The fact that she already has a kid disqualifies her from the Darwin Awards already.

          • efgoldman

            The fact that she already has a kid disqualifies her from the Darwin Awards already.

            Man, that goddamned fine print in the rules catch me every time.

            • NonyNony

              I know, right?

              She deserves an Honorable Mention though.

          • Thirtyish

            And I’ve seen read in some accounts that she believes in the right to “shoot anyone she feels threatened by” and is actively raising her kid to do the same. They fuck you up, your mom and dad.

            • “They fuck you up, you mom and dad.”
              But finally, turnabout is fair play.

            • I’m guessing that “feels threatened by” means “looked at me funny”.

              Especially if they’re dark complected.

              IfyouknowwhatImeanandIthinkyoudo.

              • Bill Murray

                the kid probably felt threatened by Mom. and her leaving a loaded gun within reach in a car seems to qualify as threatening

                • galanx

                  Is “You’re getting a spanking when we get home for opening that box of cookies ater Mommy told you not to” a legitimate stand-your-ground defense?

                • mds

                  Is “You’re getting a spanking when we get home for opening that box of cookies ater Mommy told you not to” a legitimate stand-your-ground defense?

                  It’s Florida, so the answer is “Yes.”

            • sparks

              Who’s going to want that kid in their class?

              • jim, some guy in iowa

                teachers or other kids?

                now I’m imagining the next kid’s movie, “shootout at the sleepover”

                • sparks

                  When he’s been taught to shoot if anyone troubles him? A kid borrowing his eraser and not returning it may be taking his life into his hands.

                • los

                  A kid borrowing his eraser and not returning it
                  Never take little Milty ‘Waddams’ Gilt’s red “eraser”

          • los

            she’s more precocious than otherwise precocious.

      • FridayNext

        And since she was pulling an empty horse trailer, I also feel free laughing because no horses were injured. But then mine is a horse family and we take those things seriously.

        • efgoldman

          But then mine is a horse family and we take those things seriously.

          I bet you wouldn’t leave a loaded .45 where the horse could reach it, though.

          • FridayNext

            Horse’s yes. They can’t grip the pistol. Goat hooves, on the other hand are made for killing.

        • LeeEsq

          They shoot horses, don’t they.

          • rm

            Horses shoot them, don’t they.

          • Angry Warthog Breath

            They shoot, horses, don’t they?

    • ChrisTS

      Honestly?

      I’m conflicted.

      No one died, which is a plus on the laugh side. However, a 4 year old seriously injured his mother. I think it is not so funny for the child, even if we think the idiotic mother’s wounding is in some sense deserved.

  • sparks

    “Now Junior, you remember what to do, right?”
    “Yeah, mommy. I point the gun, pull this trig, trig, this thing, and say, “BANG! You’re dead!”” “It’s fun!”
    “That’s right!”
    [months pass, Junior picks up a pistol he found laying around]
    “Hey, mommy!”
    “What?”
    [shot fires]”BANG! You’re dead!”
    “OWWWWW, you little %(@#&%! Get my cellphone!”
    “No mommy, you’re supposed to lie down quiet, like you’re dead.”

  • rdennist

    Even money there’s a future Darwin Award winner in this family.

  • The Temporary Name

    The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of nitwits and boneheads.

  • furikawari

    I suppose this incident is ironic enough to be noteworthy. What is sad is that this is a more-than-everyday occurrence in America, and as a result is almost never noteworthy.

  • guthrie

    Given the way that child beating and intrafamilial nastiness occurs, maybe the child was just defending himself?

  • Derelict

    Face it: There is no reasoning with people like her. Not even the direct application of force–by her very own toddler!–is enough to change such a mind.

    She will recover, and I will bet cash money that, the day she’s released from the hospital, she’ll be back on line proclaiming that MOAR GUNZ!!! is the answer to all problems, and her own kid shooting her in the back is just more proof of how great he is with guns.

    • jim, some guy in iowa

      another year or so and she’d be dead!

      … o god, how did I end up in such a strange country

      • NonyNony

        Country’s always had its bugfuck nuts population. Internet just makes sure we all know about them now.

        20 years ago this would have been a local news story in Florida. Maybe it would have hit “News of the Weird”. But we never would have connected it to a larger pattern of stupid like we can now.

    • JonH

      After the shooting: “Now how many times have I told you: Aim for the center of mass. No iPad for a week, young man.”

    • LeeEsq

      Its like the Facebook feeds I sometimes get on how the solution to Chicago’s crime problems is for them to elect a Republican and carry around more guns. This ignores the facts on how African-Americans and other people of color with guns or even toy guns are treated by the police and that city and inner suburb dwellers of all races are really dubious about reducing crime with more self-defense. Won’t convince the gun nuts either.

    • galanx

      Damn straight more guns is the answer- if she had had her own gun within reach, she would have been able to shoot back.
      (Actually, I remember gun nuts using this argument when some black athlete beat up his wife in the kitchen with their children present. They were saying it was her fault because she should have been armed going around doing the housework.)

  • ploeg

    See, if she had her own gun, she would have been able to defend herself.

  • Crusty

    She should have blown the little fucker away.

  • MaureenDowdsLudes

    I don’t think the word “sense” means what she thinks it means.

  • brugroffil

    Why on earth would you leave a loaded gun floating around loose in your car in the first place?

    Is that how you get accidental discharges Barry?
    Yes Other Barry, yes it is.

    • Crusty

      “Why on earth would you leave a loaded gun floating around loose in your car in the first place?”

      For keeping the King of England out of your face?

      • Colin Day

        Which is considerably easier when there isn’t a King of England!

        • Breadbaker

          Yeah, but you have to be ready because Elizabeth won’t live forever (right?) and her next three direct heirs are all guys.

    • efgoldman

      Is that how you get accidental discharges Barry?

      Dave Barry? Because this is right up his alley.

      • Kurzleg

        Nope, a reference to the cartoon “Archer” and character Barry Dillon.

        • Angry Warthog Breath

          Double-reference, unless I miss my mark, with the “do you want x? because that’s how you get x!”

    • NonyNony

      Because you’re an idiot who thinks that a tool designed to kill people is a toy and you treat it like one?

      Honestly the first thing I was taught about guns is that they are not toys, they’re lethal killing machines. Has gun safety training changed that much in 30 years?

      • JustRuss

        Gun safety training is for communists. Why do you hate freedom?

      • pianomover

        She has a picture of her most recent firearm purchase in her Facebook feed and refers to it as her new toy. So there you go

        • Thirtyish

          And the kid is going to respond in kind, because to a four-year-old kid everything is a goddamned toy.

          • los

            it was funnier when he found her battery-powered toy under the bed.

            • mds

              Well, that certainly puts a different spin on “One in the chamber.”

  • Incontinentia Buttocks

    If you outlaw guns for toddlers, only outlaw toddlers will have guns.

    • Kurzleg

      Win!

    • los

      The NRA’s solution is to outlaw toddlers without guns.

  • MyOhMy

    Can we stop using “semi-automatic” as a scare-word, please?

    There are many actual problems having to do with guns, but this technical distinction has little to do with them.

    • Nobdy

      It’s just a descriptor. But I think it is relevant because semi-automatic weapons, as opposed to bolt action rifles or revolvers, often have large clip sizes.

      • Captain Oblivious

        But it is scary. If you ever watch an expert rapid-fire a semi-automatic pistol as fast as possible, it should scare you.

      • Uh oh! You said “clip” instead of “magazine”!

      • Ruh roh! You said “clip” instead of “magazine”!

        • Hogan

          Or vice versa!

    • Peterr

      I didn’t realize that Cabela’s lists “semi-automatic pistols” on their website because they are trying to scare folks into not buying their products.

      /snark

      In all seriousness, I took this technical term to be a technical term, to distinguish this gun from a revolver or a muzzle-loading single shot gun. I don’t see any “scare” about it.

      • efgoldman

        I took this technical term to be a technical term, to distinguish this gun from a revolver or a muzzle-loading single shot gun.

        Would it have made much difference if the kid had shot her with a loaded musket she left on the back seat.

        • JonH

          The hole would have been bigger.

          • Philip

            Considering the accuracy of the average musket, he might’ve missed.

            • Schadenboner

              True. He would have been better off fixing bayonets.

              • Colin Day

                He would have been better off fixing bayonets.

                Why, were they broken?

    • TroubleMaker13

      I don’t know, it seems to me that a semi-automatic handgun is much more prone to accidents like this than, say a revolver. You typically don’t have to manually cock the hammer to fire it, and people seem to forget than there may still be a round in the chamber if they remove the clip. In that sense, it’s relevant because they’re particularly dangerous.

      • Captain Oblivious

        See my explanation of 1911s above.

        My theory is that these accidents happen more often with pistols because (a) there are more pistols than revolvers out there these days, especially in gunsucker households*; and (b) massive quantities of these are Glocks, which are point-and-shoot weapons.

        (*I don’t actually know the numbers, this is just my sense).

        • I like revolvers. They work. You get “six for sure” as the saying goes.

          Just call me old fashioned.

          • And some of them really are works of art. I grew up with firearms, typical small town kid, although I don’t have any guns now. My father had a Smith and Wesson .357 magnum revolver that was just astonishing in the quality of its workmanship. It was made in maybe 1940 or so. It was his anti-grizzly bear item.

            Dad also had a Colt 1911 semi-automatitic of the sort this idiot had. He brought it home from the Korean War. I am very familiar with its workings. As others have pointed out upthread, I just don’t understand how this moron had that thing ready to shoot in the back seat.

            So I grew up with guns, used them as tools hunting, and I just don’t understand the gun fetishists of today. Small point, but aesthetically today’s Glocks and related handguns, assault weapons, etc., to me are just cheap and ugly feeling. Perfect for the fetishists. They are not at all like my father’s and grandfather’s well oiled and well cared for shotguns, rifles, and pistols. I can close my eyes and still smell the oil as the night before in the kitchen we cleaned the guns and got ready for the next day’s hunting. Times have changed, and not for the better.

  • West

    This a tricky case for the Darwin Award committee.

    On the one hand, she left a loaded .45 in the back seat with a four year old. I’ve raised two daughters, and can admit to having made some mistakes along the way, but holy fucking shit I never came anywhere close to anything this stupid. So the level of stupid here seems a good candidate for a Darwin Award.

    However, the moment at which she nearly removed herself from the gene pool came after she had reproduced*. I believe this may be a disqualifying error on her part.

    I submit it to the LGM jury for consideration.

    *ETA: AND, the means of her nearly being removed from the gene pool was a gun wielded by her very progeny!! It’s all so circular, I’m really struggling here. Is there maybe some sort of sub-Darwin Award for Ironic self-elimination via offspring?

    Also, I hope the kid can get past this. I mean, just imagine the dynamic for the rest of his childhood after this has happened and he’s got a whackaloon like that for a Mom.

    • efgoldman

      I believe this may be a disqualifying error on her part.

      I’m told that’s what the fine print in the rules says. See my exchange with Nony upstairs.

    • Bill Murray

      also she would have to be dead or rendered sterile.

  • njorl

    ‘The Florida Department of Children and Family Services are being notified and the investigation into how the child came to be in possession of the handgun is ongoing.’

    Get the kid away from that nut. She thinks his life is less valuable than his role as a prop in her gun fetishism.

    • I’m a pediatrician, although thankfully not in Florida. An incident like this where I work would prompt a very thorough Child Protective Services investigation.

    • AMK

      Well, what’s even easier than having guns in this country? Having children.

      Yeah this is primo Darwin awards material, but the truth is that background checks before people can have children is at least as good an idea as background checks before people can get guns. Some people should really not be responsible for anything above goldfish.

  • FridayNext

    I checked out her Facebook page earlier today and it is rich and deep with Grade A quality irony. Posts like “My right to protect my child trumps your fear of my gun” and “This home insured by Smith and Wesson.” With much mockery added by commenters. Sadly, it seems to have been taken down.

    • Origami Isopod

      Her Twitter is still up.

      • tsam

        Well now I have to sign up for Twitter because she left explicit instructions for me to Like and Share if I stand with America and Chris Kyle. Crap.

    • JonH

      She seems to have been angling for a gig as a gun industry spokesmodel.

      • tsam

        Well maybe she’ll get some smarts and become a gun safety spokeswoman (if she lives).

        I’m imagining something like “I been shot and it’s not like in the movies. It REALLY hurts!”

        • Bill Murray

          ha ha! good one!

  • Denverite

    At least she can be proud that she’s taught her kid well. With a .45, there’s really no need to go for a head shot. It’s his dumb luck that he missed the vital organs.

  • heckblazer

    A toddler shot his mother? I assume he’s named Stewie Griffin.

  • msobel

    It’s all Obama’s fault. Forcing a citizen into a car seat without a warrant are an obvious 4th and 5th Amendment violation and calls for 2nd Amendment solutions.

    • njorl

      The kid wasn’t in a car seat either.

      • los

        government tyranny.

  • kped

    She reportedly believes she has the right to shoot anyone who threatens her family – and plans to teach her offspring the same mentality.

    So looks like the kid has been learning properly, because he shot the moron who left a loaded handgun carelessly in the back seat with a child.

    But, if this kids going to brag online about his shooting, it looks pretty weak that he couldn’t even kill his target when she was right in front of him. Better get back on that range kid, can’t miss from that close!

  • The picture in the article shows the weapon was a Kimber Model 1911.

    In order to fire the first shot, this particular weapon needs the hammer to be cocked.

    So either the 4-year-old managed to cock weapon or she was carrying it “cocked and locked” with the safety on.

    On a 1911 all you have to do to release the safety is to push down with your thumb.

    I have a Kimber similar to this one and it has a pretty light trigger as well. It wouldn’t have taken much effort for a 4-year-old to fire it.

    • tsam

      Yeah, those Gummit models are seriously unsafe. Lots of guys have carried them cocked and locked and had the safety come off IN THE HOLSTER.

      • LiveFreeOrShop

        And a larger number than you’d think keep them tucked in their belts, with the pre-DICK-table results. All for the better, I say.

        • tsam

          My dad was a cop. One of his early calls was a guy who shot himself that way and bled out in the parking lot of the K-Mart store.

        • Captain Oblivious

          $600-$2000 for a decent pistol.

          $40-$80 for a good-enough belt holster. Not even that much for a sturdy belt to clip it to. A little more for a cross-draw holster.

          These people really are morons.

        • los

          “cocked then de-cocked”

    • tsam

      Just looked at her twitter feed from the link posted by Origami…Yup, it’s a government model. (If that’s the gun her kid used to pound a half inch hole through her body)

      “Little bastard shot me in the ass.”

    • FDChief

      The original government M1911 and M1911A1 would have had a grip safety that little Chuckles’ tiny hands shouldn’t have been able to effectively depress, so I’m guessing that this Kimber thing is one of those M1911 knockoffs designed without the grip safety.

      It would STILL have to be cocked to fire, tho, so either Bubbles cocked the thing himself or mom had the hammer back and the thumb safety on. Either way the stupid woman had a round under the hammer, so she sorta committed almost-suicide-by-toddler…

      • Captain Oblivious

        It’s a Kimber, and AFAIK, all Kimber 1911s are genuine 1911s with a genuine grip safety.

        A 4-year-old could probably manage the trigger (like Kong says, the pull is light compared to a lot of DAOs and DA/SAs), but getting his hand around the grip safety AND reaching the trigger might be problematic unless he’s big for his age.

  • Joe Bob the III

    Felony child endangerment is a child endangerment charge enhanced by aggravating circumstances. Child endangerment occurs when a person engages in conduct that places a child in immininet danger of death, bodily injury, or physical or mental impairment. This can be through an act or omission.

    Sure seems like it fits the bill to me. IANAL, but if I could put the prosecutor hat on my offer would be: Plead guilty to the felony with 5 years probation, in exchange for no jail time. Seems fair enough since she is the one who was shot and no one else was hurt. Of primary importance: with the felony conviction she could never legally own guns again.

    • Captain Oblivious

      B…b…but…hasn’t she suffered enough already?

      [Short answer: No.]

    • Colleen

      I was surprised that the only consequence of an unrestrained child is a $60 fine and 3 points on your license. That is quite low! Heck, let’s go party in Fl! Toddlers Gone Wild!

  • ASV

    Can’t just wing ‘er, kid; she’ll come back.

    • Schadenboner

      Rookie mistake, junior. Always aim for the head when dealing with zombies.

  • trnc

    She reportedly believes she has the right to shoot anyone who threatens her family – and plans to teach her offspring the same mentality.

    Perhaps he already learned, Jamie, perhaps he already learned.

    • tsam

      Heh. Wonder why she didn’t shoot him right fucking back.

    • los

      she says she has the right to shoot herself to protect her child…

  • Origami Isopod

    the toddler picked up the weapon and shot her in the back.

    If only her back had had a gun, it could’ve defended itself!

    • Thirtyish

      Her fault for not constantly watching her back like any *good* conservative.

    • JonH

      She needs another kid to watch her six.

  • Dennis Orphen

    I have but one question for the child: How much did Jay Gould pay you?

    • los

      “I said I’ll pay you two Hershey bars to whack John Galt, not Jamie Gilt! (You just can’t find good 4 year old contract killers these days. Darn union teachers.)”

  • CHD

    Any of you read the 44 Scotland Street books? It’s Bertie and Irene if they lived in Florida instead of Edinburgh.

  • JonH

    Boy, it’s a good thing she had that handgun easily accessible in case someone tried to carjack her. I assume her truck has a quick-draw back seat.

    Or did she have a second gun in the front seat, too?

  • oaguabonita

    Wait, whut?

    Her four-year-old son “boasted about his shooting skills online”? Doesn’t seem very plausible!

    • Someone fucked up the article. She boasted about his shooting skills.

  • jim, some guy in iowa

    to tie things together- George Martin brought the magazine with the article titled “Happiness is a Warm Gun” to the studio and showed it to John Lennon who in turn wrote the song

    • los

      Thank god, little Boy Gilt isn’t a Bronski Beat fan.

  • Breadbaker

    Gun sense, rhymes with nonsense.

    • los

      Gun Sense, rhymes with Dunce Sense

  • The Pale Scot

    Her four-year-old son picked up a loaded .45 semi-automatic handgun from the back seat, pointed it towards his mother and pulled the trigger.

    Smart little dude, must get it from his mom.

  • guthrie

    So what does the father think of all this? Or is she *gasp* a single mother and destroyer of America!!!!

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