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[ 45 ] January 9, 2016 |

Wol is saddened by the turn of events.

Who said it?

We don’t need that. We don’t want it and we’re asking you to leave.

Answer after the jump.

Of course.

Armed members of the Pacific Patriot Network are leaving the occupied Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Joseph Rice, a spokesman for the network, told reporters that his group presented occupation leader Ammon Bundy and other protesters with “articles of resolution.”

[…]

Todd MacFarlane, a Utah lawyer acting as a mediator, said occupation leader Ammon Bundy doesn’t want the armed visitors there.

Bundy’s message: “We don’t need that. We don’t want it and we’re asking you to leave,” MacFarlane told reporters at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Why PPN thought Ammo Bundy wanted them to come to MNWR is indeed a mystery. At the end of his Dec. 30 FB post he writes:

CALL TO ACTION: All able body men and women come to Burns, Oregon on or before January 2nd. Come prepared and be willing to stand.

PPN showed up seven days after the deadline. That’s not fashionably late, that’s just gauche.

MacFarlane said he had just met with Bundy and other leaders of the occupation.

They’re “alarmed” by the arrival of Pacific Patriot Network members, some carrying rifles, and concerned about the perception they convey.

Ammo, please. Rifles weren’t the problem. A lack of snacks – that was the problem.

No word on how many Harney County residents were admitted to the hospital due to irony overdoses.

As an aside – “Articles of resolution”? I try to resist such comparisons, but sometimes the similarity between these morons and children playing make believe is really hard to ignore.

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  1. Pat says:

    Wol is a cutie.

    Also, FIRST!

  2. Judas Peckerwood says:

    So am I reading this correctly that the armed thugs who seized a government facility are being allowed visits from other armed thugs, while law-abiding taxpayers are barred from the site?

    In other words, are only dangerous, seditious lunatics permitted to visit Malheur National Wildlife Refuge?

    • jim, some guy in iowa says:

      well, yeah. and then when they *all* get there, Obama’s going to use the neutron bomb on them. no muss no fuss

    • Murc says:

      So am I reading this correctly that the armed thugs who seized a government facility are being allowed visits from other armed thugs, while law-abiding taxpayers are barred from the site?

      In other words, are only dangerous, seditious lunatics permitted to visit Malheur National Wildlife Refuge?

      This is precisely what’s going on. Not only that, the armed thugs are permitted to make snack runs.

      It’s really appalling, in my opinion. Cliven decides to take some potshots at federal agents after a lifetime of theft, gets off scot-free after a brief standoff. His son takes over federal property, there’s not even a standoff, they just sort of… get away with it.

      What will his grandkids get to do? Roll up to the White House and declare the Lincoln Bedroom their sovereign property?

      Just… what the fuck.

      • Mike Lommler says:

        Seriously, are roadblocks too much to fucking ask for?

      • keta says:

        So, what would be the best course of action?

        Personally, I believe you let these idiots continue to prance around like the enormous fuckwits that they are, showcasing their fuckwittery, and then after they’ve all gone home prosecute each of them to the full extent of the law.

        • Judas Peckerwood says:

          Personally, I believe you let these idiots continue to prance around like the enormous fuckwits that they are, showcasing their fuckwittery, and then after they’ve all gone home prosecute each of them to the full extent of the law.

          Yeah, except that nearly two years after the fact there’s still been no prosecutions for the Bundy ranch armed rebellion, and Cliven Bundy has gotten away scot-free with his theft of public resources. And this is under a “liberal” Democratic president.

        • Shakezula says:

          Yes. I see no downsides to making sure a pack of incoherent whiny sanctuary squatting snack cadgers become the poster boys for militia groups.

        • tsam says:

          Yes–except NOBODY goes in our out. Siege.

          I’m an asshole, but I’m kinda hoping for a bigass dumb white guy gunfight.

        • eh says:

          Well, when unarmed occupiers were only taking up a small park in the middle of a city the police just walked up, rolled through, and threw all their books away.

      • DrDick says:

        Welcome to conservative white privilege. Law enforcement has long handled white far right extremists with kid gloves. Remember the shit storm over the Homeland Security report declaring threat such groups were the biggest terrorist threat to the US at the beginning of the Obama administration (completely ignoring the fact that the Bush administration commissioned the report)?

        • Lee Rudolph says:

          completely ignoring the fact that the Bush administration commissioned the report

          Well, they commissioned a report. I’m sure that they didn’t expect, and wouldn’t have released, that report.

  3. DocAmazing says:

    Armed resolutionaries?

  4. creature says:

    Probably pissed because they didn’t bring enough snacks to share with the group. That even more asshole-ish than occupying a (deserted) government building for an (imagined) injustice!

  5. muddy says:

    The articles of resolution remind me of building forts as a kid. Then you’d spend all day arguing with your friend over the rules of the club, and most importantly, who was to be excluded.

    I can just see them there, rifles slung over their backs, tongues protruding from the corner of the mouth as they write out the rules of engagement with a stubby crayon.

  6. Calming Influence says:

    By keeping the public out but allowing the players to come and go they’re treating them like civil war reenactors, more likely to hurt themselves with their muzzleloader than anyone else. And as in civil war reenactments, the public looks on, curious and bemused, but will eventually grow bored and move on. If the government were to get tough and treat them like the dangerous warriors they pretend to be, these guys would get to play “war”. As it is, I think the government is purposely denying them (and others like them) the drama they crave.

    And can this Wol spell “Tuesday”?

    • Porlock Junior says:

      I know!!

      BUTTEREDTOAST

    • alex284 says:

      They’re up to 25 people from 12 last week. If that number keeps growing, I doubt that putting off a confrontation will reduce drama.

    • busker type says:

      If the government were to get tough and treat them like the dangerous warriors they pretend to be, these guys would get to play “war”. As it is, I think the government is purposely denying them (and others like them) the drama they crave.

      this, exactly.
      I think the feds are taking a calculated bet that they all get bored and go home before the winter’s out. If I were in charge I would wait until they left then charge them with trespassing and destruction of federal property or whatever minor crimes seemed appropriate, but nothing sexy.

  7. John Revolta says:

    I don’t blame the Ammonites for pulling up the treehouse rope ladder. Now that nobody’s been arrested, or shot, every tinpot chickenhawk in the country is gonna want to get in on the fun. But it’s TOO LATE!!

    HA-HA!! /Nelson

  8. Captain Oblivious says:

    I say we continue to ignore them. Or pretend to ignore them. I’m sure the feds are monitoring the situation more closely than they’re letting on.

    Cutting off their supplies and communications or arresting them as they come and go risks escalating the situation and might even result in sympathizers starting their own “revolution” elsewhere.

    Besides, confronting them is exactly what they want the feds to do. Let’s not play their game.

    They don’t have much support and apparently little money. It’s a long winter.

    • John Revolta says:

      Actually, the way I see it is that ignoring these fucks is almost certain to result in copycat nutjobs pulling the same kind of stunts elsewhere. Starting with your butthurt PPN boys. I’d bet actual quatloos on it.

      • searcher says:

        Or just the same fucks doing it over and over again.

        There are way too many assholes willing to talk a big game but relatively few willing to take time out of their day to do something this idiotic. I mean, shit, most people have *jobs* they need to go to, they can’t just take a month off to squat in a public building.

        • Judas Peckerwood says:

          Or just the same fucks doing it over and over again.

          Exactly. With these seditionists still facing absolutely zero consequences for the original Bundy Ranch armed rebellion and theft of public resources — followed by the current kid-glove treatment in Oregon — where’s their incentive to stop?

    • alex284 says:

      Actually, doing nothing is visibly escalating the situation. There are more people joining them. With more weapons.

  9. Colin Day says:

    That’s not fashionably late, that’s just gauche.

    But in there case, wouldn’t it be droit (the direction right, not correct rignt)?

  10. MgM63 says:

    “As an aside – “Articles of resolution”? I try to resist such comparisons, but sometimes the similarity between these morons and children playing make believe is really hard to ignore.”

    Ummm-because there really is no difference? These people-along with the concealed/open carry wingnuts and those who yearn for a return to American “greatness”-which apparently was a fleeting period sometime in the late fifties-are simply living in bizarre, Mittyesque fantasy worlds. Where everyone wears a black or a white hat, you’re either for us or agin’ us, and Ward and June Cleaver are the exemplars of the American nuclear family. They really think all problems are simple, and therefore the solutions are simple. They wouldn’t recognize nuance if it bit ’em in the ass. Difficult, thorny questions and problems make their brains hurt-they don’t like to be confused. They vote Republican. They are, as you say, morons-and there may be enough of them to elect the next President of the United States.

    • Lurker says:

      We should understand that these guys are living in a honour culture of their own imagining. In essence, they are thinking in accordance with their own twisted understanding of 18th century culture.

      In essence, if allowing them to sign “articles of something” humours then and gets them out without anyone being hurt, that is fine. It shouldn’t prevent later arrest and prosecution, though.

  11. Owlbear1 says:

    I try to resist such comparisons, but sometimes the similarity between these morons and children playing make believe is really hard to ignore.

    “We’ve been planning this for a very long time but uhm, We’re out of food, so Send More!!”

    “We’ll leave if and when EVERYBODY stops asking us to do so!” GEEZ!

    “We spit on your so called Articles of Resolution and Cast you out as Commie Liberal Obamanauts!”

    No, they sound like twelve year olds all the time.

  12. alex284 says:

    From the article:

    Other than the presence of the new visitors, the refuge headquarters remained much the same as it has throughout the week: Power remains on in the buildings, militants and local residents can travel back and forth to town freely and no roadblocks exist on the way to the refuge.

    Meanwhile, the new sign at the refuge seems to indicate that the militants are digging their heels in deeper. The sign comes with a fresh moniker for the group members, who now call themselves Citizens for Constitutional Freedom. Their ranks appear to have grown beyond the core 20 to 25 protesters, but it’s impossible to say by how many because of all the comings and goings….

    Law enforcement authorities including the FBI and sheriff’s deputies from across the state have converted the Burns school district headquarters into a makeshift command post with around-the-clock security. However, they have no evident presence in or around the refuge.

    On Saturday, militants openly drove government-owned vehicles and heavy equipment around the compound, proclaiming that the trucks and backhoes now belong to the local community. At the same time, they limited access to the refuge buildings, arguing that letting reporters and photographers inside would pose a safety hazard.

    Meanwhile, members of the Pacific Patriots Network guarded the refuge entrance with guns in their hands and masks concealing their faces.

    tl;dr: They still have electricity, the ability to come and go from the refuge, their own armed guards at the entrance while there’s no police presence there, and they’re openly using government vehicles because they’re claiming it’s all theirs now. More people are joining them because there are no roadblocks and they have plans to destroy government property (a fence) on the refuge. Elsewhere in the article, it’s implied that local law enforcement told them they could all get away without arrest if they just leave peacefully.

    We’re all here laughing about how unprepared they are, but apparently they were prepared enough for the complete lack of resistance they encountered.

    The “what if these people were black/muslim/latino?” questions are no longer enough to express the amazing gulf between how the criminal justice system treats white people and everyone else. These folks literally violently took government property as part of a protest that amounts to “we want free stuff” and the most the state will do to them is kindly ask them to stop. Meanwhile… well, I don’t have to go over that here.

  13. actor212 says:

    Sorry for the link to Twitchy, but have you seen the latest list of demands?

  14. Coconinoite says:

    Honestly, I’d like to see an angry horde of thousands of wildlife biologists descend upon the place and take it back for Teddy’s intended purpose. And purchase gifts for their kids at the shop.

    What do we want? Bird Watching!
    When do we want it? Now!

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