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Various law school developments

[ 76 ] February 10, 2014 |

(1) A very significant thing happened at the ABA Section of Legal Education Standards Review Committee meeting (I can already see readers’ eyes glazing over) on Friday, which hasn’t yet been noted by the legal academic blogosphere. Per the ABA Journal:

At its meeting Friday, the committee also:

• Voted to recommend eliminating the current prohibition on granting academic credit to a student who participates in a field placement program for which the student receives compensation.

This little nugget seems to have gotten lost amid the clamor regarding two proposals to require either six or 15 credit hours of “experiential learning” of every ABA law school graduate, but is obviously related to it in a potentially crucial way.

Coupled with the Section’s decision last August to allow a full semester’s worth of academic work to be done by “distance learning,” you don’t need a weatherman to see the way the wind is blowing, which is to eventually outsource the entire third year of law school to employers, thus essentially eliminating it as an academic matter, while at the same time still retaining the third year of law school tuition.

You also don’t need to be Mancur Olson to see why the forces pushing toward this outcome are going to be almost irresistable:

*For students, this will mean spending the “third year of law school” working instead of going to class and — mirabile dictu — even getting paid for it! I haven’t done a scientific survey, but I imagine a poll of upper level law students regarding the desirability of such an option would resemble a North Korean presidential election.

*For law schools, such an arrangement allows one third of the curriculum to be offloaded, with no loss of revenue.

*Employers will enjoy the advantages of quasi-indentured labor (if you quit your job you’re going to be dropping out of school, so you can’t quit — a circumstance that will no doubt be reflected in the compensation levels and working conditions associated with these jobs).

. . . These developments will have a negative effect on one group: People who have already graduated from law school, especially recent graduates, who will see a good number of traditional entry level positions destroyed by the entrance of cheap temporary labor, in the form of third year “students” doing “externships” for both credit and (now) money. As always, these sorts of putative curricular reforms do not create more jobs, which remains the central problem for the entire model.

It says something about the state of legal education that this set of developments is probably an improvement on the status quo.

(2) A few interesting statistics from the new 509 disclosures:

*33.7% of Florida State’s 2L and 3L classes are transfer students. FSU took 90 transfers last summer and 89 the year before (there are a total of 530 2Ls and 3Ls at the school this year). LSAT and GPA scores of transfer students aren’t reported to the ABA, and therefore don’t affect law school rankings. Speaking of which:

*25th LSAT percentile for George Washington’s 2010 part-time class: 162 (86th percentile overall). For the 2013 class: 154 (59th percentile).

*Median LSAT for Valparaiso’s entering class: 143 (20th percentile).

(3) The latest LSAC volume summary continues to indicate that applications this year will be down more than 40% since 2010, and approximately 50% off their 2004 high. This extrapolates to a likely first year class of around 35,100 (down from 52,500 in 2010). I would be somewhat surprised if by this time next year no ABA law school has announced it’s shutting down.

(4) This is very, very wrong, and anyone who laughs at it should feel terrible (I know I do):

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  1. Jake says:

    I am certain, absolutely certain, that the Werhmacht’s 9th Army, err, the Economy, is about to make a roaring comeback and totally save the day for Professor Hitler. ;-)

  2. cpinva says:

    you, prof. campos, are horrible man, and probably destined for hell. I shall be right behind you, in my gold plated handbasket.

  3. Humm says:

    FSU is rapidly sliding away from a semi-elite school status. Must be hard to lateral as a faculty to T14 then.

  4. NonyNony says:

    Well obviously if the students are doing a work experience outside of school for an entire year, the tuition for that year should be substantially reduced right? I mean if the university isn’t going to be involved in the day-to-day education of the student then their costs for that student are substantially reduced down to just the bookkeeping work and so they really shouldn’t be charging more for just verifying that the educational experience is a legitimate one, and not some kind of scam being run on the students and then for filing the paperwork appropriately.

    Hey … why is everybody laughing?

  5. ChrisTS says:

    God, that was fabulous.

  6. BoredJD says:

    A “field placement program” = vetted by the law school.

    I have mixed feelings on this. Obviously, it’s much better than a system that gives credit for a “study-abroad” (read: parent or taxpayer funded vacation) program, but not for someone who has realized that the OCI ship has sailed and they’d better start working at Joe’s Small Law PLLC if they want a shot at a job after graduation. I worked for most of my third year, getting as much externship credit as I could, and I felt it was much more rewarding than if I’d continued taking classes.

    OTOH, it’s undisputed that the law schools will continue to charge full tuition. This isn’t surprising, since the dirty little secret underlying this whole system is that you’re not paying for an education, bot for a piece of paper that comes complete with a range of employment options. I always used to say that I’d rather have just paid the $150,000 up front, gotten the damn degree, and lived at home for three years.

    • mpowell says:

      This is kind of a stretch. Nominally, yes, the tuition is paid in 3rd year. The point is that, yes, you pay for the degree. But you pay what the market can bear. And that’s mostly related to the 3 year total since it’s the total debt load that students are either going to balk at or not(though spreading it out over 3 as opposed to 2 years probably helps law schools extract a little bit more at the margin).

      Where this will help law schools, most likely, is that they’ll have fewer staff responsibilities for equiv tuition income which will make it easier to fire faculty while maintaining the standards of life expected by remaining faculty.

      • BoredJD says:

        “But you pay what the market [completely warped by unlimited federal student loan money freely given to people who have the financial literacy of your average lottery winner] can bear.”

        The third year also adds significant debt on top of the extra tuition in accrued interest and an additional year of COA.

    • Aaron says:

      So you go to a top law school, work to get to the top of the class, get on law review, and… that third year, is the law school going to pay you to become an editor of the law review, or will every top student not chasing a clerkship or professorship be heading off to Biglaw a year early?

      Why not switch to the flawed articling model, let students who want to take the bar choose between a third year of law school and getting a year-long job with a law firm? At least that way, if you’re competing in the bottom half of the legal job market, you’re not paying tuition for the joy of being paid minimum wage at a profitable law firm. Some opportunistic firms will still wait for graduates, of course, so they can pay less than minimum wage.

  7. wetcasements says:

    My useless MA in English lit. looks better every day!

  8. Casual Observer says:

    The scam was maintained with the Potemkin Village of status and prestige.

    What happens when the 0Ls realize that anyone with a pulse and a FAFSA can go to an accredited law school? Valpo’s not the best, but it’s a legit school that people have heard of. Same for FSU.

    All of the sudden the cache is gone. Snowflakes won’t feel as special. This could be a vicious (or virtuous) cycle. Who wants to join a club that would have bozos for members?

    To quote the disappointed Ned Flanders upon seeing Homer Simpson in heaven, “Looks like heaven’s easier to get into than Arizona State.”

  9. DAS says:

    (4) This is very, very wrong, and anyone who laughs at it should feel terrible (I know I do)

    Funny, I don’t feel terrible. BTW, Herr Prof. Hitler reminds me of a few faculty members at my institution. Except they aren’t making $150K/year nor are they in any position to get buy-outs. So they just make life miserable for the rest of us, although occasionally they manage to entertain us at least.

  10. Nobdy says:

    Valparaiso has an SJD program which…I mean…I feel genuinely bad for those students.

    It also has a sports law clinic. Why do law schools spend so much time advertising clinical experience in fields that are vanishingly small and fiercly competitive? I know, I know, it brings the rubes in the door, but at least with a criminal defense or immigration or trusts and estates clinic you are learning practical skills that you might use in a real practice you could actually have one day. A sports law clinc seems as impractical, for most, as a seminar in Shakespeare and the law.

    • Major Rager says:

      You answer your own question — if they advertised how well they are going to train you for what little renumerative legal work exists for Valpo Law students here on planet earth, nobody would attend. I knew a couple kids in LS who were gung ho on criminal law from day one, but one person goes to law school because they want to do immigration or draft wills. You gotta meet the lemmings where they are, which as with most people in their early 20s is way the fuck out there in some kind of fantasy land (speaking from experience).

    • BoredJD says:

      Sports law, international law, constitutional law, environmental law, entertainment law, the list goes on.

      It’s not that these areas don’t really exist, it’s that they aren’t separate areas of law. I know a sports lawyer. That person is just a corporate lawyer at a big law firm who has leagues and teams as clients, and does the exact same thing for them as her friends do for any other major company, and got hired the exact same way all the other biglaw associates got hired. The only time she’ll get within a mile of the athletes is if she buys a ticket like everyone else.

      Constitutional law is another. I know people who deal with “Constitutional Law” every single day. They aren’t arguing the next religious freedom case before the Ninth Circuit and entertaining witty zingers from Kozinski, they’re trying to get some scumbag’s gun suppressed because the cops didn’t meet the inventory search requirements for his car (or are trying to put said scumbag in jail).

  11. Ken Houghton says:

    “Median LSAT for Valparaiso’s entering class: 143 (20th percentile).”

    This has to qualify as “we’re not even trying.” And, from the Valpo website:

    Learn About Us – Apply Now – Fee Waived

  12. verplanck says:

    Ha, Prof. Hitler will only be able to take day trips to Thatcher Park now.

  13. Ken Houghton says:

    But on a positive note, they have one student who already has an MA and an MD, so they must be doing something right.

  14. Murc says:

    Wait… what?

    Are you kidding me? My own alma mater has co-op requirements; you have to spend two quarters out there in the field actually working in order to graduate, and you receive academic credit for the work you do.

    Those two quarters? Tuition is comped. You’re still listed as enrolled, so your loans don’t kick in or anything, and you can still make use of university services, but you pay a big fat goose egg.

    What the hell makes law schools think they’re so different?

  15. NewishLawyer says:

    How many people are going to be able to get 3L law positions that pay them? I wonder if most people are just going to end up at non-profits or government offices and not doing much.

    Or basically being a paralegal at a small or medium sized firm?

    According to independent research, my law school (hardly an elite one but a decent one) has kept the median LSAT score the same since my time. A web search found that the Class of 2017 at my law school has 246 matriculated students with a median LSAT of 157 and a 75th of 159. This is about the same as when I was a 1L in 2008.

    • catclub says:

      That was my question. If there are that many (paying????) positions available, there is no problem.

    • BoredJD says:

      There are usually a few part-time “law clerk” positions advertised. One has to be very wary about those, since often the attorney is just after your free Wexis password, which is a quick way to risk getting C+F on your ass.

      Mass mailing/cold calling will turn up a lot more positions. It would be nice if schools tried to drum up more alumni with this kind of work, even if the jobs don’t pay more than 12-15/hr.

      • NewishLawyer says:

        Wexis seemed to notice this trend. I was lucky and worked for a small firm that paid for a Lexis subscription but had other friends whose bosses did not. The Wexis solution seemed to be radically curtailing access during the summer between semesters.

        I’ve gotten some interviews and work from cold calling but not much.

        • BoredJD says:

          I think that’s where a school alumni office could actually help, contacting alums who might have the need for an extra 5 or 10 hours of work per week but not a FT employee, or someone to do paralegal type tasks. The ABA is also moving towards getting rid of the 20 hour work limit, a welcome development.

          • NewishLawyer says:

            As far as I can tell, there is no honor until you get to the top.

            I know plenty of small and medium sized plaintiff’s firms who were tickled pink by the law school crisis because it meant that Harvard Law types were applying to them when previously Harvard Law types would not have given them the time of day.

      • Just Dropping By says:

        What’s “C+F”?

        • Paul Campos says:

          Character and fitness. Part of the bar application process. Bar associations can ding people for things like defrauding online legal research services.

        • Areyoukiddingme? says:

          Character and fitness. Basically they look into your background and determine if you’re moral enough to be a lawyer. Problems include unpaid debts, plagiarism, non-disclosure of arrests, and whatever. Some states look into your mental health history, which seems completely unethical to me, but the whole profession is fucked up so why should admission to the bar be any different?

    • Anonymous says:

      3L’s in gov’t positions will be getting great real experience, most likely writing motions, arguing motions in court, and possibly even getting trial experience. Considering gov’t legal agencies (such as district attorneys offices) are having to use volunteer attorneys to help handle the overburdend work loads, 3L’s would actually get real experience in my opinion. 3L’s in private sector however will be given pointless busy work tasks like copying and filing because clients won’t pay for their services.

      • Katya says:

        That’s my take on it. Interns in our office do real work–drafting sections of briefs or motions, doing legal research on issue that no attorney with a full caseload has time to do, etc. In some states, students who have completed their second year of law school can handle their own cases under supervision, including misdemeanor jury trials. I did federal internships both summers of law school, and got real, substantive experience, including prepping witnesses, assisting with trials, writing briefs, etc. But I’d say that government and public interest firms are unlikely to have a lot of money laying around to pay more interns.

    • Anonymous says:

      Might just be the same people who had summer associate positions and already have job offers after they graduate? Something like that already happened at my firm – a guy who was there over the summer is still doing work for us after having gone back to school for the year. It’s not full time, but clearly it could be.

  16. ichininosan says:

    “**Attention Florida State Students**

    Compare Florida State’s ABA 509 Report:

    “Transfers In 90
    Transfers Out 6”

    to Cooley’s:

    “Transfers In 7
    Transfers Out 67”

    Now consider the fact that law schools do not have to report the GPA / LSAT profiles of transferring students to the ABA.

    Bad incentives; predictable outcome.

    http://www.law.fsu.edu/prospective_students/admissions/documents/Std509InfoReport2013.pdf

    http://www.cooley.edu/publicinformation/_docs/2013_aba_standard_509_information.pdf

    • Paul Campos says:

      If you want to know where those transfers are coming from, check out Florida Coastal’s stats.

      Between them FSU and UF appear to be taking most of Florida Coastal’s top 20%, which is one reason FCSL just fired bought out 20% of its faculty.

      • Prok says:

        I would imagine that’s true of a lot of lower-tier Florida schools (St. Thomas, Stetson, etc.).

      • ichininosan says:

        Florida Coastal is the mirror image of Florida State on transfers, making it more-or-less FSU’s junior law school partner. FCSU, of course, would not see it this way.

        Transfers are a scam, and would be a noteworthy one but for the fact that it is simply law schools cannibalizing each other. But it is a scam that runs all the way up into the T-14. Consider Georgetown:

        “Transfers In 122
        Transfers Out 7”

        http://www.law.georgetown.edu/admissions-financial-aid/aba509/upload/Standard-509-Report.pdf

        • nerudaaduren says:

          As if the already massive incoming class of 550 students wasn’t enough.

        • PaulB says:

          Comparing FSU to Georgetown on transfer policies is most unfair to FSU. Students going from Florida Coastal to FSU at least are getting a 40% tuition reduction while I’d bet that Georgetown feels no need to give any tuition reduction at all to the grateful transferees from American, Catholic, Richmond etc. Meanwhile, I’d bet that firms interviewing at Georgetown are already mentally discounting the credentials of the transfer students.

    • Scott Lemieux says:

      I’d love to interview the seven people who transferred into Cooley.

      • Anonymous says:

        I’d have to guess that those seven people were students at other 4th-tier schools who moved to Michigan (or Tampa Bay) for family reasons.

        • Anonymous says:

          And Cooley is also one of the very few schools that offers scholarships to transfer students. Getting a degree from Cooley at half-price or less is a better deal that a full-price degree from another 4th-tier school. Even if both choices are disastrous – one is less disastrous than the other.

        • Andrew says:

          Or from unaccredited schools maybe.

          • Anonymous says:

            I don’t believe that ABA-accredited schools are allowed to take transfers from unaccredited schools. If a student from an unaccredited school wants to move to an ABA-accredited school they would need to start over as a 1L.

  17. Anonymous says:

    In additional to paying a low wage and having a high work loads for the 3L’s, employers in my opinion would want a % of the tuition those students are paying the schools.

  18. PaulB says:

    If the ABA proposal goes through and it catches on among law schools, at least among the bottom half, this will not be the great windfall for them that people here think it will be. Instead, it will be a way for law schools to lower their costs and to pass the savings onto their students. This isn’t because they have any concern regarding the loan burden facing their students but instead will need to lower sticker price and/or increase “merit based” scholarships in order to remain competitive in attracting students.

    Such a move would have a catastrophic effect, though, on the graduates of elite law schools who hope to get an academic position.

    • Casual Observer says:

      This is the credited response.

      The crystal ball says

      – 5 law schools close by September 2020 (at least one of which is a Cooley campus), 10 total law schools close by September 2025 (at least 2 of which are Cooley campuses).

      Enrollment stabilizes in 2020 at circa 35,000, after dipping to a low of 32,000 in 2017.

      Elite law schools continue in current form. “Practice oriented” law schools (read non-public TTTs) begin to utilize the 3d year for experiential learning and embrace their practical nature despite fighting tooth and nail against it the whole way.

      Average total cost actually paid by students attending practice oriented law schools will be 75 percent of the cost of the traditionals.

      By 2025, the average Full time, long term will earn the equivalent of $60,000 and there will no longer be a camel hump distribution. There will be a small bump at the equivalent of $130,000, and then a large distribution curve with a longer tail than head with a peak at the 2025 equivalent of $53,000.

      Student loans will be capped, and partially dischargeable by 2025.

  19. The quality of the experience that students will receive is going to be so widely various that it is hard for me to imagine how this would work. Faculty are not well-equipped to evaluate this sort of thing, and not really inclined to from what I’ve seen. Some law students in public sector clerkships may get waivers that allow them to appear in court (not such a difficult skill, but one that is prized all the same). Someone else might end up doing due diligence in a transactional practice, someone else may draft personal injury pleadings, and someone else may make photocopies. This does not sound like a law school program- the intellectual rigor is wholly absent, and what remains is mostly exploitative. One of the problems that newly admitted lawyers face in the job market is that they don’t know how to do much, and taking time to teach them is taking away billable moments from a productive lawyer.

    • BoredJD says:

      To this point, there may be a shortage of lawyers and public interest programs willing or able to supervise the interns. I know that was a problem at several of my internships; despite overwhelming interest by students and a surplus of work to do, the lawyers simply could not ethically supervise the interns and manage their own work. Facilities/workspace was also a problem.

      The only ones who might be capable of doing this are large firms or document review companies. Both of those present serious problems.

      • BoredJD says:

        Also, I wonder how viable this is for a school located in a rural area or a land grant college campus.

      • NewishLawyer says:

        Now that would be a horrible but strangely realistic gig to do it as a doc review company. Maybe people should be required to spend a month doing doc review before going to law school?

        But yeah, medium to big sized firms are probably the only people who can handle this. Or relatives and family friends which leads to law being cut off for people whose relatives and family friends include no lawyers. Maybe some people will end up doing it for the firms they worked at as paralegals before going to law school.

  20. Casual Observer says:

    Allow me to go on record about what a whiny bunch of bitches law faculty are. The ABA has no spine.

  21. Dr Shambolic says:

    @ Scott Lemieux 3:00, Interview you say, Scott, check the Cooley Rankings. Everybody knows those seven transfers are from Harvard Law. Number one is too much and so academically hard, transfering to number two will give them a better chance. Also they probably are converted Izzo fans.

  22. MacK says:

    I’m going to make a prediction – at some point in the near future the bottom tier law schools and the mid tier are going to turn on one another – and it is going to happen via a route that most observers right now think unlikely, ABA accreditation – they will start pushing for some schools to have the accreditation pulled. Here is the odd thing, if you read the US Regs creating the entire accreditation system, they do give the accrediting body (in this instance the ABA) the ability to consider employment as a factor in accreditation – which, under Noerr-Pennington would provide a ready defense to antitrust allegations.

    • Andrew says:

      Yep…The interesting thing about the Albany situation is how administration and faculty are turning on each other. Law schools have historically seemed to have very clubby relationships between faculty and administration (witness the UT-Austin law school dean giving free money to his buddies from the law school development fund).

  23. mike in dc says:

    So, for current law students: Good news! (Some) relief is in sight! At least you’ll have some experience when you graduate!
    For recent grads still unemployed or underemployed: Go F*** Yourselves(still). Those nigh-impossible to get entry level jobs will now be essentially non-existent.

    Epic fail by the ABA, ABA Young Lawyers Section, AALS, NALP and state bar associations, and law schools.

    Professor Campos, are there any ballpark estimates on how many recent grads are not employed in JD-required full-time permanent jobs? Offhand I’d guess it’s in the tens of thousands.

    • Paul Campos says:

      Difficult to say with any precision but the number is huge. In the last couple of classes only around 55% to 60% of grads have had such jobs nine months after graduation, and even that number is pumped up with school-funded “jobs,” putative solos, traffic court clerkships, and other stuff like doc review which can end up coded as permanent (Cooley for example explicitly admits it counts doc review gigs as “long term” even though the average job of this type lasts less than a month).

      OTOH some grads do get real lawyer jobs more than nine months after graduation. I doubt that even two thirds of the classes of 2010-12 are currently working as lawyers, even loosely defined.

      • mike in dc says:

        Well, if it’s 40%, for JDs graduating from 2008 through 2012, averaging 40k grads a year, that’s 80,000 lawyers not working as full-time lawyers. 80,000 x 150,000 in student loan debt(double that for myself at this point)= 12 billion dollars.
        Any number between 50 and 100 thousand wouldn’t surprise me. That’s around 5-10% of the total number of licensed attorneys in the United States!

  24. nerudaaduren says:

    This is purely a “I wish I had a unicorn post,” but if the law schools et al. actually wanted to remedy the problem they should have tied the new student right to work for compensation with a prohibition against internships that are not for compensation.

    One of the few means schools have to increase paid work is to stop facilitating and encouraging unpaid labor. This would lead to new paid internships from employers who are forced to pay for what they formerly got for free.

    Though such a solution would probably simply drive home how few paid jobs there are for law students or recent law grads, creating a constant reminder within the hallowed halls that there might actually be a job market problem.

  25. Observer says:

    One of the interesting things about the ABA accreditation changes is how they dodge the elephant in the room – employment. It is pretty clear that the ABA could make employment outcomes part of the accreditation standards it applies.

    The basic legislative authority for accreditation comes from 28 U.S.C. §1099b. One area addressed by section (5) of that statute is the evaluation criteria for accreditation,

    (5) the standards for accreditation of the agency or association assess the institution’s—
    (A) success with respect to student achievement in relation to the institution’s mission, which may include different standards for different institutions or programs, as established by the institution, including, as appropriate, consideration of State licensing examinations, consideration of course completion, and job placement rates;

    All of this has been codified in the regulations at 34 CFR §602.16

    §602.16 Accreditation and preaccreditation standards.
    (a) The agency must demonstrate that it has standards for accreditation, and preaccreditation, if offered, that are sufficiently rigorous to ensure that the agency is a reliable authority regarding the quality of the education or training provided by the institutions or programs it accredits. The agency meets this requirement if-
    (1) The agency’s accreditation standards effectively address the quality of the institution or program in the following areas:
    (i) Success with respect to student achievement in relation to the institution’s mission, which may include different standards for different institutions or programs, as established by the institution, including, as appropriate, consideration of course completion, State licensing examination, and job placement rates.

    Now this is pretty important because law schools keep raising antitrust as the reason why they cannot consider all sorts of issues in accreditation. But the Noerr-Penington doctrine provides that entities or individuals cannot be held liable for anticompetitive conduct that was required of them by law or regulation, even in a jurisdiction that did not impose the requirement. The doctrine finds its origin in two U.S. antitrust cases: Eastern R. Conf. v. Noerr Motors, 365 U.S. 127 (1961); and United Mine Workers v. Pennington, 381 U.S. 657 (1965).

    What this means in practice is that the ABA could impose job placement standards on law schools – which would be catastrophic for many law schools, and it could make bar passage requirements very tough.

    • Observer says:

      This a subcategory of Noerr-Pennington called the Midcal rule, which provides that private persons such as the ABA are immune when a government has deputized them to restrain trade, so long as the deputizing is (1) clearly articulated and affirmatively
      expressed as state policy; and (2) the policy is ‘actively supervised by the State.

  26. Annonymous says:

    Mr. Campos,
    I think that you and your readers will find the following article from yesterday’s Louisville Courier Journal quite interesting….

    http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2014302100085

  27. Anonymous says:

    From my perspective across the ocean it seems utterly incredible that it could be considered possible that circumstances might arise in which an educational institution could get away with charging tens of thousands of dollars to spend a year not educating someone who is actually working for a living. This is Alice in Wonderland stuff. Surely, surely, surely, if the third year of law school disappears, the fees have to disappear too.

  28. williamockham says:

    If Valparaiso’s entering class has a media LSAT at the 20th percentile and most state bar exams have a flunk rate of 20%, how many Valparaiso graduates will pass the bar?

  29. Guest says:

    What a nightmare – this work study thing.

    The ABA is totally irresponsible adding third year law students to a job market where close to 50% of entry level lawyers are unemployed, and many more are underemployed. No one was talking about work study seriously in the 1970s or 1980s when there were actually legal jobs.

    This worsens, not solves, the huge problem of lawyer unemployment and underemployment and the ABA needing the drastically cut entering law school classes.

    The ABA is ignoring the acute lawyer oversupply and the resulting huge problem of the majority lawyers in the United States saddled with useless law degrees, either at law school graduation or after a few or several years of practice, but well short of retirement.

    Law is a career of unemployment and underemployment. The total entering class at U.S. law schools needs to reduced to very small number – like 12,000 a year – to make a dent in the experienced unemployment and underemployment rate for lawyers.

    There is just not paying legal work- or related work – for even half the people graduating law school, let alone the huge pool of unemployed experienced lawyers, many with top experience, top law degrees and top records.

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