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[ 139 ] May 7, 2011 | Scott Lemieux

Obviously, if Weisenfeld won’t do the right thing and jump from the CUNY board of trustees — a position he’s demonstrated beyond dispute that he’s unfit to hold — Cuomo should push him.

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  1. Donald Douglas says:
    May 7, 2011 at 10:57 am

    I’m calling you out right now as an Israel-basher, Scott. And a hypocrite. You’re for free-speech for Israel’s critics but you want to punish Israel’s defenders. Seriously. You’re a sick fucker.

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    • Hogan says:
      May 7, 2011 at 11:37 am

      And Scott’s position on Sasquatch is equally shameful.

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    • joe from Lowell says:
      May 7, 2011 at 6:14 pm

      I’m calling you out right now as an Israel-basher, Scott.

      Ohnoes!

      And a hypocrite. You’re for free-speech for Israel’s critics but you want to punish Israel’s defenders.

      I defy you to find an example of Scott supporting, or even remaining silent in the face of, a university’s decision to discriminate against someone for being too critical of Palestinians. When you cannot, you should come back here and retract the accusation of hypocrisy.

      Cue Jeopardy theme.

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    • Spokane Moderate says:
      May 7, 2011 at 9:48 pm

      Lighten up, Francis.

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  2. Donald Douglas says:
    May 7, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Sasquatch Israel was stupid. My bad.

    Next case: Anti-Israel demonization a LGM. No mistake here. You folks are getting into hot water on this. Seriously. Rethink it friends.

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  3. Donald Douglas says:
    May 7, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Ilan Pappe is a Noam Chomsky co-author and an Israel-bashing propagandist. Not to be trusted, but no surprise LGM commenters would drop those citations here. Communists and anti-Semites. Great bunch of fellas over here.

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  4. DrTimmy says:
    May 7, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    CUNY faculty are organizing to keep attention focused on Wiesenfeld’s unfitness to serve on the board. See http://on.fb.me/kn5MYM.

    If Cuomo isn’t willing to push, we’ll push him into pushing.

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  5. Donald Douglas says:
    May 7, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Great news LGM Jew-bashers I’ve immortalized this post, with a screencap and all: “Scott Lemieux Backs Anti-Semitic Tony Kushner at Lawyers, Guns and Money.”

    Che-loving wannabe-terrorist Jew-haters of Lawyers, Guns and Murder.

    Figures.

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  6. R. Porrofatto says:
    May 7, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    I never knew criticism of Israel = Jew-bashing. I have Israeli friends who express their disapproval of Israeli policies in very strong terms, so I’m shocked to learn that this makes them anti-Semites, or as Weisenfield might say, the equivalent of kapos and Nazi collaborators. At least we can thank g-asterisk-d that no one is using intemperate language and remaining civil.

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    • DrDick says:
      May 7, 2011 at 1:59 pm

      Haaretz has far harsher criticisms than most of the folks here. I guess that must make them antisemitic Semites.

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    • Donald Douglas says:
      May 7, 2011 at 2:44 pm

      “When you hold the State of Israel – a nation in a struggle for its survival from the beginning, a target for the misogynist, racist, anti-western, dictatorial regimes which surround it – to a standard you would hold no other nation under normal circumstances, let alone under such exigencies – and when you spew libel against our sole regional democratic ally for “crimes” concocted by delegitimizers, you are an anti-Semite.”

      The left is not “criticizing” Israel. The left is attempting to delegitimize and destroy Israel, and thus the Jews.

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      • DrTimmy says:
        May 7, 2011 at 2:53 pm

        Bullshit. Only an idiot could believe that.

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        • Donald Douglas says:
          May 7, 2011 at 3:02 pm

          Bullshit? The BDS campaign is real and plain as day. Progressive terror-enablers are delegitmizing Israel by the day, working to drive the Jews to the sea. QED.

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          • Michael Bérubé says:
            May 7, 2011 at 3:21 pm

            Only Teh Donalde can save Israel from Tony Kushner — one blog comment section at a time.

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            • Scott Lemieux says:
              May 7, 2011 at 3:26 pm

              I think the Donalde is trying to make KC Johnson look like the good cop. (I’m hoping KC will send us the full list of governments whose past actions should be exempt from criticism if we are to remain academics in good standing. Am I allowed to say that Andrew Jackson engaged in ethnic cleansing, or do I have to lie about it?)

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              • Michael Bérubé says:
                May 7, 2011 at 3:33 pm

                The answer is (b), you have to lie. Andrew Jackson merely pointed certain Native American tribal groups in the direction they were already going. But I have to say I’m disappointed that KC hasn’t linked the Kushner decision to the Duke lacrosse case. Connect the dots, people! Teh Donalde has already shown us that the SEIU Obama thugs were marching right behind Frank Marshall Davis and Bill Ayers.

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              • Donald Douglas says:
                May 7, 2011 at 3:59 pm

                Yes, Scott, if that’s your position. Not only are you a hypocrite, you’re now admitting you’ll resort to lies. I called you out. You wilt:

                “The treatment of Israel by the left-wing Western intelligentsia is unique in its irrationality and moral and historical inversion. It takes a nation that is the historic victim of aggression and blames it for jeopardizing peace in the region and causing Islamic extremism worldwide — despite demonstrable evidence that this is simply untrue. It accuses Israel, wholly falsely, of “apartheid” and ethnic cleansing when Israeli Arabs have full civil rights and the Palestinian population has increased many times over — and when Jews are excluded from parts of the Arab world (including the putative state of Palestine).” — Melanie Phillips.

                “Ethnic cleansing” of Palestinians is a myth.

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              • skidmarx says:
                May 7, 2011 at 4:21 pm

                Mad Mel is your source?

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              • Malaclypse says:
                May 7, 2011 at 4:25 pm

                Am I allowed to say that Andrew Jackson engaged in ethnic cleansing, or do I have to lie about it?)

                Jackson was an American, so you need to lie. If you don’t lie, Donalde will wet his pants (again), and the terrorists will win.

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              • Hogan says:
                May 7, 2011 at 4:38 pm

                Sorry, ProVictoryProfessor Douglas, I already scored the first Horowitz reference.

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              • John says:
                May 8, 2011 at 9:14 am

                Well, if someone said something in Front Page Magazine, it must be true.

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            • Donald Douglas says:
              May 7, 2011 at 3:26 pm

              Ha, what’s so anti-Semitic about LGM, LOL!!

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              • Malaclypse says:
                May 7, 2011 at 4:26 pm

                The ALL CAPS and extra exclamation point really give your argument the Machiavellian elan that will defeat us.

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              • asdfsdf says:
                May 7, 2011 at 10:44 pm

                At this point I start to wonder if his account was actually hacked. This is off the wall even for Douglas, and he’s using the reply button.

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          • DrDick says:
            May 7, 2011 at 3:25 pm

            There is a marked difference between delegitimizing particular policies or the political parties and leaders who push such policies, Likud and Kadima, and delegitimizing Israel. No one here that I know of disputes Israel’s right to exist, though many of us condemn their policies.

            Nor does opposition to Israel necessarily mean opposition to the Jews, since Israel does not represent all Jews, or even most of them. Only 2 of the ten largest Jewish cities are in Israel and the United States has a larger Jewish population than Israel.

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            • Donald Douglas says:
              May 7, 2011 at 3:35 pm

              Are you are for real, DrDick? And YOU teach?

              The progressive descent into moral depravity is well documented.

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              • DrDick says:
                May 7, 2011 at 3:48 pm

                Are you are for real, DrDick? And YOU teach?

                I would ask you the same thing since you display the analytical sophistication of a rather dim 12 year old (which is, at least, and improvement over your logic).

                I would also argue that it is in fact conservatives who have descended into moral depravity, particularly if we are basing it on Christian values (see Matthew 25 for instance).

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              • joe from Lowell says:
                May 7, 2011 at 6:45 pm

                Population figures are an anti-semitic plot, probably connected to the unions.

                Let’s see that long-form, Doctor.

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              • Malaclypse says:
                May 7, 2011 at 6:48 pm

                I would ask you the same thing since you display the analytical sophistication of a rather dim 12 year old

                I have a 5-year-old sitting next to me, and she has way more sophisticated analytic and argumentation skills than does Donalde.

                However, she still finds the word “butt” to be hilarious, so her sense of humor is right there with Donnie.

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              • DrDick says:
                May 7, 2011 at 7:28 pm

                Mal -

                I humbly apologize to all the 12 year olds. I should have said 4 year olds.

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        • DrDick says:
          May 7, 2011 at 7:27 pm

          Only an idiot could believe that.

          Consider the source.

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      • joe from Lowell says:
        May 7, 2011 at 6:38 pm

        to a standard you would hold no other nation under normal circumstances

        There’s your problem right there.

        Any country that did what Israel does to the Palestinians would get raked through the coals here.

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        • John says:
          May 8, 2011 at 9:17 am

          Yes. The hard-core defense of Israel seems to rely on making the completely baseless assertion that somehow Israel gets criticized more than other countries that do the same thing, when in fact it is the other way around.

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      • joe from Lowell says:
        May 7, 2011 at 6:41 pm

        The left is attempting to delegitimize and destroy Israel, and thus the Jews.

        Wow, you really hold the United States of America (which has 700,000 more Jewish residents than Israel and which has the largest Jewish population in the world, with 45% of the world’s Jews) in contempt, don’t you?

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      • repsac3 says:
        May 8, 2011 at 6:51 am

        Sorry Donald, but the quote doesn’t sound any better (or more correct) the 3rd (or is it 4th?) time you repeat it.

        Israel’s a fine country, but it isn’t perfect… It’s not above any/all criticism. They’re kinda like America, in that regard… Some very questionable things done in their past, and differing opinions about government policies, from within and without, even to this day. They, (like us, in America) are held to a higher standard than these misogynist, racist, anti-western, dictatorial regimes because they, like us are viewed on the world stage as actually having a higher, more enlightened set of values and ideals. People expect more of Israel and the US because we demand more of ourselves. I’m surprised that you and Wiesenfeld fail to understand that.

        It isn’t anti-Semitic to disagree with something the State of Israel once did or is doing now, any more than it’s anti-American to disagree with past or present US government policy. And because of the history of the Jewish people and anti-Semitism, it’s as ugly an accusation to make as it is a false one. There is straight up anti-Semitism in the world, Donald, but these kinda accusations cheapen the term and will in time make it meaningless from overuse. When every disagreement with any Jewish person or policy of the State of Israel is being called anti-Semitic, the term loses it’s actual meaning.

        I urge you to at least consider the idea that you may be doing harm to the cause you purport to care about with all of your “Jew-hating” “anti-Semitic” nonsense, Dr Douglas… not that I expect you ever actually will…

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  7. efgoldman says:
    May 7, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    I don’t go to the Wingnut blogs (I don’t have the ethereal calm required to read their comments sections) so I have to ask: Are there liberal troll versions of Donald?

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    • Holden Pattern says:
      May 7, 2011 at 6:34 pm

      (a) generally, no. there’s not nearly as much stupid sloganeering passing for thought on the liberal side as there is on the conservative side.

      (b) to the extent they *do* exist, the conservative blogs ban them almost immediately.

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  8. repsac3 says:
    May 7, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Ideas that are not born in one’s own head (or that harmonize and synchronize with the ones that are, at least) scare some folks silly.

    Pointing and yelling “Anti-Seeeeemite!!!” (or “Cooooomunist!!” or “niiiiihilist!!”) at the top of one’s internet lungs is no substitute for reasoned discourse.

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    • Hogan says:
      May 7, 2011 at 2:44 pm

      But it can, on occasion, be hilarious.

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    • Donald Douglas says:
      May 7, 2011 at 2:50 pm

      Bwahahaha!!!

      Racist stalker Repsac3!!

      Reasoned discourse? Oh, you mean like Scott Lemieux’s double standard on political correctness. And no doubt you think Cuomo should “push” Wiesenfeld as well, right?

      Freakin’ asshat loser.

      P.S. SEIU carried the communist standard in L.A. on May Day, but of course for willfully blind idiots like yourself “NOOOOO COOOOMMMUUUNNNIIISSTTSSS!!! is “reasoned” discourse. Events prove you wrong daily, nihilist stalking loser racist James Casper.

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      • DrDick says:
        May 7, 2011 at 3:26 pm

        SEIU carried the communist standard in L.A. on May Day

        You say that like it is a bad thing.

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      • Malaclypse says:
        May 7, 2011 at 4:30 pm

        nihilist

        I really missed the nihilism. That nihilism really tied Donalde’s blog together.

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      • DrDick says:
        May 7, 2011 at 7:03 pm

        For what it is worth, the red flag is the workers’ flag, not the communist flag. Are you sure you are a political scientist? You seem abysmally ignorant of US social and political history.

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        • Malaclypse says:
          May 7, 2011 at 7:15 pm

          Dude, you are speaking about a “political scientist” who seems to actually believe Obama is a Marxist. He’s not just abysmally ignorant of US social and political history, he’s abysmally ignorant on a wide variety of topics. Our Donalde is nothing if not a generalist.

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        • Malaclypse says:
          May 7, 2011 at 7:26 pm

          But wait: his ignorance is capable of some, albeit limited, correction.

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          • John says:
            May 8, 2011 at 9:21 am

            He did admit that he was wrong about Sasquatch, no?

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            • Malaclypse says:
              May 8, 2011 at 1:19 pm

              Not really, no.

              So “SASQUATCH ISRAEL” is really truly “SASQUATCH IS REAL.” And there’s even a website for that, on Facebook.

              Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I’m dumb.

              I stand by what I wrote, either way.

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              • The Donalde says:
                May 9, 2011 at 2:26 am

                What is wrong with you, Malaclypse. At the top of this thread I said Sasquatch was stupid. You must really be stupid or desperate to keep beating that dead horse: One more time: Sasquatch Israel was totally stupid. Carl Salonen — Tintin of Sadly No —- really got me on that one. But it’s done. We all make mistakes, as have you in your really dumb comments on the Big Lie at Whiskey Fire.

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              • hv says:
                May 9, 2011 at 2:53 am

                With notable exceptions, he stands by what he wrote.

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              • Malaclypse says:
                May 9, 2011 at 6:15 am

                We all make mistakes, as have you in your really dumb comments on the Big Lie at Whiskey Fire.

                Donalde, Donalde, Donalde – disagreeing with you, on a point of fact, where I was right and you were, as usual, wrong, is not actually dumb. It certainly is not a Sasquatch moment – an epic bit of stupidity where the entire internet will snicker at you for the rest of your life. Stupidity that your students will know about, and laugh at you behind your back for, pretty much forever.

                But do carry on.

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              • Hogan says:
                May 9, 2011 at 9:07 am

                The fact that it was wrong and dumb is, in fact, central to his point.

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      • repsac3 says:
        May 7, 2011 at 11:16 pm

        If I was ever racist, or ever said any variant of “Nooooo Cooooomunists,” you’d've actually cited examples at least one time by now. As yet, you never have, and experience shows you never will.

        “Bwahahaha!!!” yourself, Donald Kent Douglas, you poor deluded dishonest fool… “Bwahahaha!!!” yourself.

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      • repsac3 says:
        May 7, 2011 at 11:51 pm

        Besides, Clown Shoes, you kinda missed the point. You’re whining over the fact that someone expressed ideas with which you do not agree, but rather than expose those bad ideas and explain why they’re so evil, you choose to shout “Jew-Hater,” and think you actually said something worthwhile or admirable.

        That’s your schtick (if a supposed “Jew-hater” like me may be permitted use of a yiddish idiom) in much of your disagreeable blogging. Grab some out of context quote or photo, stick a disingenuous label on it, and set about repeating your denunciation, over and over again and expecting people to just believe what you say. (Granted, you do have a few sycophants who do, like Dave, who’s also an old-time birther AND a new-fangled “Osama was killed years ago” deather… Isn’t that what the internet is really all about, after all? Allowing hate filled conspiracists to join together and tell their “truths” to one another?)

        Disagreeing with Israeli politics or policies, past or present, is no more an example of anti-Semitism or “Jew-hatred” than your disagreement with American politics or policies makes you anti-American. (In fact, some might argue that it’s our job as citizens and as human beings to verbally question and debate the wisdom legality, and morality of government policy, past and present. It’s how we learn, grow, and do better.) Your inclination to silence dissenting ideas with which you disagree by slapping an inaccurate, “fast and loose with the terms” label is sadly misguided.

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  9. yoyo says:
    May 7, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    From ‘critiquing Israel’s policys is anti-Semitic’ to a labor union in southern California in 2011 is communist.
    Dude, you a professor at Long Beach State?
    Wow.

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    • Donald Douglas says:
      May 7, 2011 at 3:25 pm

      No, I’m not a professor at Long Beach State, and yes, SEIU-Obama-Union-Thugs marched with the Communist Party on May Day, carrying the Red Banner: ‘SEIU Marches In Lock Step With Commies In May Day Parade’.

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    • DrDick says:
      May 7, 2011 at 3:28 pm

      He only aspiree to a job at Long Beach State. He is a professor at Long Beach Community College.

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      • Donald Douglas says:
        May 7, 2011 at 3:39 pm

        Actually, no, I prefer teaching community college, and love LBCC, thank you, loser DrDick.

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        • Erik Loomis says:
          May 7, 2011 at 3:47 pm

          I’ll bet your colleagues love you.

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        • DrDick says:
          May 7, 2011 at 3:49 pm

          The lack of standards there does have advantages, I am sure.

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          • Donald Douglas says:
            May 7, 2011 at 4:04 pm

            Lack of standard? Not in my classes:

            “If you are looking for a class and professor that will give you an honest idea of the demands and expectations of university level academia, then Dr. Douglas is the way to go! You will be challenged. This is not a cakewalk junior college Poly Sci class. Take off your diapers, stop whining, grow up and learn from a seasoned professional professor.”. Link.

            You’re losing, DrDick, dick.

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            • John Protevi says:
              May 7, 2011 at 4:17 pm

              Oooh, ooh, can I play?

              His lectures are very boring and not clear. You have to basically learn the book by yourself because he doesnt go over it. He just gives out outlines. The test have nothing to do with his lectures.

              He is one of the worst professors at LBCC his teachings do not relate to the test at all. He goes completely off tangent! I do not recommend hime to anyone.

              Link!

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              • Erik Loomis says:
                May 7, 2011 at 4:18 pm

                One would think that if he was going to actually use Rate My Professor as evidence in his favor, he would be sure to not have all those negative reviews too. One would think.

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              • John Protevi says:
                May 7, 2011 at 4:21 pm

                Just to say Donald the trouble, here are the two from my ratings:

                This is a very interesting class for someone interested in biology and philosophy. It’s not hard to make the grade you want if you do the work. Overall, I had a great experience and even was able to apply the material to other classes.

                He is the worst “teacher” I have ever had in my entire life! He had no notes whatsoever (we were expected to write whatever he said) and tried to tie together Biology, Philosophy, and Ethics. Instead, he ended up rambling about Pavlov’s Dog most of the time. FAIL.

                Link!

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              • DrDick says:
                May 7, 2011 at 4:27 pm

                One would think

                But then, one would not be The Donalde!

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              • Donald Douglas says:
                May 7, 2011 at 4:34 pm

                One would think that the “good” review I cited was a smackdown of the “bad” reviews of the crybaby students in diapers, the ones that can’t, er, handle my high standards. Isn’t that what you dolts were complaining about.

                Bwahahaha!!!!

                Freakin’ losers.

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              • Malaclypse says:
                May 7, 2011 at 4:37 pm

                Bwahahaha!!!!

                Machiavellian elan.

                Freakin’ losers.

                And the abhorrence of irrationalism in argument.

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              • DrDick says:
                May 7, 2011 at 5:15 pm

                Bwahahaha!!!! Freakin’ losers.

                Truly irrefutable logic.

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              • hv says:
                May 8, 2011 at 3:38 am

                One would think that the “good” review I cited was a smackdown of the “bad” reviews…

                Prof. Douglas, do you know what the words “aggregate” or “on balance” or “net” mean?

                …the crybaby students in diapers, the ones that can’t, er, handle my high standards…

                You did not just blame the students for your bad reviews! I thought conservatives were about personal responsibility?

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              • herr doktor bimler says:
                May 8, 2011 at 5:19 am

                Instead, he ended up rambling about Pavlov’s Dog most of the time.

                Nothing wrong with that.
                Their first album was the best, of course.

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              • MAJeff says:
                May 8, 2011 at 9:27 am

                First of all, rate my professor? What’s next, arguments over how many chili peppers students gave?

                But more to the point, does LaDonalde always show such utter contempt for his students?

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            • DrDick says:
              May 7, 2011 at 7:32 pm

              What am I losing? I cannot possibly lose as long as I am not (all praise to FSM!) you. also I was not talking about standards applied to students, no matter how arbitrarily and capriciously.

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  10. Michael Bérubé says:
    May 7, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    You know, as much fun as it is to see Teh Donalde rant incoherently about views he foolishly ascribes to LGM bloggers and commenters, none of whom oppose the existence of Israel, there’s something missing from this discussion. What could it be?

    Oh, I know. From the Times editorial:

    Mr. Wiesenfeld, who told The Times’s Jim Dwyer that some Palestinians are not human, should resign.

    My goodness! Teh Donalde and KC Johnson are going to the mat for a man who says that some Palestinians are not human. Perhaps they would like to subscribe to Wiesenfeld’s newsletter? Or perhaps they should disavow such remarks immediately. Their call.

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    • Donald Douglas says:
      May 7, 2011 at 5:04 pm

      Why don’t you quote it Teh Bérubé?:

      ‘I tried to ask a question about the damage done by a short, one-sided discussion of vigorously debated aspects of Middle East politics, like the survival of Israel and the rights of the Palestinians, and which side was more callous toward human life, and who was most protective of it.

      But Mr. Wiesenfeld interrupted and said the question was offensive because “the comparison sets up a moral equivalence.”

      Equivalence between what and what? “Between the Palestinians and Israelis,” he said. “People who worship death for their children are not human.”

      Did he mean the Palestinians were not human? “They have developed a culture which is unprecedented in human history,” he said.’

      That’s the thing about you people. You decontextualize everything. Losers.

      Scott’s a hypocrite and now a self-professed liar, and needs Teh Bérubé to get him off the hook? Bad form guys.

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    • Scott Lemieux says:
      May 7, 2011 at 5:06 pm

      I should probably post separately on this, but Johnson’s rube-running about people without PhDs!!!!!!! teaching in the CUNY system should also be noted.

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  11. Scott says:
    May 7, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    May I please be denounced by Teh Dumbald? I think Scott Lemieux and Tony Kushner are dead sexy, and yet I have never wished to have sexytimez with Golda Meir.

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  12. calling all toasters says:
    May 7, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Wow, our troll is really trying hard to have his Pam Geller moment here. I think I’ll go build a mosque on Weisenfeld’s front lawn, just to help the li’l idiot out.

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  13. Donald Douglas says:
    May 8, 2011 at 2:32 am

    From the AmPow comments on this post: “I looked through the comments at LGM; sad in a funny way. Why can’t libtards with PhDs do any better than cite wikipedia?”

    Sad, but not so funny, actually.

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    • LosGatosCA says:
      May 8, 2011 at 3:08 am

      Let’s have your annotated references from Dickopedia, then.

      Overall, on a scale of silliness from 0, meaning serious, to 10, meaning a full Andy ‘Mighty Mouse’ Kaufman wrestling two models silly, I’d have to give it an 11.

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    • hv says:
      May 8, 2011 at 3:32 am

      I don’t get what’s wrong with Wikipedia… if it contains wrong information, just edit it.

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      • Bijan Parsia says:
        May 8, 2011 at 4:00 pm

        It’s a Thing to bash people who quote Wikipedia since Wikipedia is obviously not a respectable source. It’s a psuedo-intellectual snobbery, but with a pre-Wikipedia history. Wikipedia’s crowdsourcing let’s people ratchet the snobbery up a notch.

        Frankly, I’m really at a loss at why anyone thinks that refing wikipedia in a comments discussion is so very outre. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong and someone can point that out even if they don’t edit it. (I did have an annoying discussion with someone who stuck to the wikipedia definition of Datalog in spite of several experts in the room telling him that that definition was at best tendencious. But that’s not understanding evidence, not an inherent problem with Wikipedia.)

        Where wikipedia is really great is aggregating news reports on stuff that isn’t quite current. Really wonderful for that, actually.

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        • hv says:
          May 9, 2011 at 2:42 am

          Great comment. I would go even further… in terms of the economy of effort involved, it is generally faster to edit Wikipedia than it is to discredit Wikipedia. (Hey, that kinda rhymes!)

          I wish I had a nickel for every commenter who sneered at Wikipedia without supplying a superior citation.

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    • Dogsbody says:
      May 8, 2011 at 3:34 am

      You know what is funny? A lowlander tosspot who would appear more sane if he were quoting Conservapedia.

      You’re a gift that keeps giving, ya wee numpty. Never leave us.

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    • repsac3 says:
      May 8, 2011 at 7:02 am

      When Grant Jones talks, Donalde listens and repeats. (while the rest of us say “Who?”)

      Opinions are like assholes, Don… Everyone has one, and seems to think their own stinks just a little less than everyone else’s.

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    • John Protevi says:
      May 8, 2011 at 8:28 am

      From the AmPow comments on this post

      You mean from the one outside commenter your post attracted, answered by you to give the term “comments” in the plural at least plausible deniability.

      But in any case, I only cited Pappé’s Wiki page to show how untrustworthy it is! All that stuff about him being born in Israel, serving in the IDF, fighting in 1973, working at U Haifa for 23 years, etc., what nonsense! I wrote that it was obvious that

      We’ll have to see Pappé’s long-form birth certificate, his long-form IDF papers, and his long-form University of Haifa papers before disagreeing with Donald on this one!

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  14. Malaclypse says:
    May 7, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    And from Donalde’s screed:

    The confirmation is in Scott Lemieux’s jihad against Jeffrey S. Wiesenfeld, a Member of the Board of Trustees of the City University of New York, who has spoken out against the the university’s plan to give an honorary degree to gay socialist playwright Tony Kushner.

    I wonder why Donalde cared about Kushner’s sexual orientation? He seems to bring that up homosexuality a lot. It would be wrong to imply that he is overcompensating. It is clearly the fault of all the gays for thrusting their sexuality down his throat.

    Must be the Machiavellian elan.

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  15. John says:
    May 8, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Do conservatives actually know what socialism is?

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  16. DrDick says:
    May 8, 2011 at 9:38 am

    No.
    This has been another edition of …

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  17. Malaclypse says:
    May 8, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Do conservatives conservative political scientists actually know what socialism is?

    Fixed to more accurately show Donalde’s appalling lack of knowledge in his purported area of expertise.

    Reply

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