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Our Racist President Endorses Historical Myths About Racist Mass Murder


In the big scheme of things, Trump’s consistent faith in violent racist historical myths is perhaps not our greatest problem. But it certainly contributes to it. Of course, Trump’s embrace of Treason in Defense of Slavery memorials is perhaps the most important in terms of domestic politics. That Trump can’t help but contradict himself constantly is amusing in terms of black humor.

But it’s still distressing.

After today’s horrible attack in Barcelona, Trump decided to weigh in (just a few days after lying that he hadn’t responded to Charlottesville for 2 days because he needed all the facts. Uh huh) with a tweet that absolutely mystified me.

Is Trump sending U.S. troops into northern Mexico to catch Muslim terrorists? It would be about as effective as Pershing’s chase of Pancho Villa.

But, no, it turns out that Trump believes Pershing committed mass murder with an ugly anti-Islamic tinge while in the Philippines. And while it sounds like something the U.S. military might do in the Philippines, a war that rivals Vietnam and the genocide against Native Americans for sheer racist ugliness, it’s a complete myth. I am hardly in the habit of approvingly quoting Max Boot, but we live in strange times.

The average person probably has no idea what Trump is talking about. But this is a reference to a historical myth that he repeated constantly on the campaign trail in spite of valiant efforts by historians and journalists to correct him. He is referring to efforts by Gen. John Pershing, later commander of U.S. forces in France during World War I, to suppress a Muslim revolt in the Philippines in the early years of the 20th century, at a time when that country was an American colony. This is the story as Trump told it last year:

“General Pershing was a rough guy, He caught 50 terrorists who did tremendous damage . . . and he took the 50 terrorists and he took 50 men and dipped 50 bullets in pig’s blood. You heard about that? He took 50 bullets and dipped them in pig’s blood. And he has his men load up their rifles and he lined up the 50 people and they shot 49 of those people. And the 50th person, he said, you go back to your people and you tell them what happened. And for 25 years there wasn’t a problem.”

There is, in fact, no evidence that Pershing ever committed any such atrocity in his battles against the so-called Moros — the ancestors of the Muslim fighters who continue to fight against the central government in Manila to this day.

“This story is a fabrication and has long been discredited,” says Brian McAllister Linn, a Texas A&M University historian who is one of the foremost scholars of the Philippine War. “I am amazed it is still making the rounds.”

While some U.S. troops did commit atrocities in the Philippines such as the use of the “water cure” (i.e., waterboarding), Pershing was known for being more enlightened and more successful. As I wrote in “The Savage Wars of Peace: Small Wars and the Rise of American Power,” “Captain Pershing preferred to win over the Moros with outstretched hand rather than mailed fist. So successful was his campaign that he was made a datto, or chieftain.”

So basically Trump approved of the mass murder of Muslims thanks to a falsified story of religious and racist terrorism by occupying U.S. troops crushing an independence movement. I mean, if this is what Trump supports, he might as well just cite the genocidal campaigns against Native Americans. It’s not like he wouldn’t approve of Wounded Knee. That wouldn’t put our nation in any better of a space, but at least it would annoy me 1% less.

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  • Lot_49

    William Calley’s still alive. Maybe tRump could make him an assistant secretary of defense for public affairs or some such.

    • BiloSagdiyev

      Yes. When I read about that jerk in 19th century Colorado last week, I thought, “Well, at least they didn’t give Calley a parade… yet.”

  • DamnYankeesLGM

    In addition to this being genuinely horrifying – and lets make no mistake, this is an evil, bad person – I remain very…confused?…by how this guy runs his government. People smarter than me have noted this, but Trump just seems so alienated from his own government.

    Like, if he wanted the military to act like this…he should tell them to do this. But he doesn’t. But he clearly has no interest in *actually* implementing this as policy. He just wants to be a Fox News viewer. It’s just so bizarre.

    • so-in-so

      I think he just wanted to “win” the Presidency, with the side benefit it made Putin happy (and he got SS protection, which might well be REALLY important if he owes Russians money). He probably also thinks if he says or tweets something, it’s policy. Probably worked in his “business”.

    • i like to think of him as a C-list blogger. he’s there to share bullshit and talk bullshit with his idiot friends.

      and he now has the biggest blog in the world! he gets to pick up bullshit from other bloggers and share it with everyone ! and they have to listen !

    • BiloSagdiyev

      And that’s what his fans want! It’s not so much whether Predator drones are zapping people in western Pakistan or Delta Force guys are swooping in and snatching people in Yemen (and killing anybody who gets in the way) or whether we’re arming anybody in Syria — all of these things were done during Obama’s presidency (I seem to remember bin Laden being rubbed out in a hit in Pakistan) — but for the 28% that hold America hostage, it’s not about the policy and it’s not about the effectivness – they’d rather have the SHOW BIZ. Beat on your chest! Boast! Threaten! Call for a river of blood! America, FUCK YEAH!

      And that’s why they had such a boner for King Ronnie, too. Just like the above pig’s blood bullet myth, they think that the air raid in Tripoli solved terrorism or solved the Qadaffi thing, yup. Ya didn’t hear anything about of him after that, didja? (I dunno, I couldn’t hear anything over the 747 crashing in the English countryside.)

      I forget which female print pundit said it 25 or so years ago (not Dowd, better than her, maybe Ellen Goodman, or maybe Ivins), whenever anybody opens their yap on a complicated subject with a, “Let me tell ya, alls you gotta do is ________________” is always useless.

      • Hogan

        “We see these beautiful pictures at night from the decks of these two
        U.S. Navy vessels in the eastern Mediterranean,” [Brian] Williams said. “I am
        tempted to quote the great Leonard Cohen: ‘I am guided by the beauty of
        our weapons.’”

        “They are beautiful pictures of fearsome armaments
        making what is for them what is a brief flight over to this airfield,”
        he added, then asked his guest, “What did they hit?”

        • nick056

          Jesus I had managed to forget that.

        • BigHank53

          Well, that’s probably the shortest explanation for the media’s performance in the 2016 election, isn’t it? When your obsession with narrative has become so myopically focused you can’t even remember what the fucking ending is, then what other high-drama choice do you have? You’re going all-in on the emails.

      • JamesWimberley

        Lockerbie is in Scotland. But, yeah.

        • BiloSagdiyev

          Sorry. It’s all England from here. : D

    • Cervantes

      Well look, he told the same story during the campaign. And he paid no price for it. In fact his fans undoubtedly loved it. They still do. Obviously he isn’t going to give an order for the military to actually do this, that’s not the point. It’s part of his performance.

    • solidcitizen

      I am not confident that he won’t order the military to go after the families of the terrorists. He floated the idea of doing that during the campaign and I could see him signing an Executive Order to the effect that all family members of people who commit radical Islamist terrorist acts are enemies of the state. I have no idea how the military would react.

      • Zagarna_84

        As a matter of international law, the answer is clear: Obvious War Crime is Obvious, so the military would be duty-bound to mutiny and refuse to obey orders.

        I think the odds of this actually happening are extremely low; most likely they would simply go along with his demands.

        • solidcitizen

          I’m tempted to snark and ask you if you missed the years 2003-8 when we declared international law to not apply to the GWOT, but I agree the odds that it happens are low and the odds that any such EO would be enacted are lower.

        • bender

          IANAL, but disregarding unlawful orders is not mutiny.

          • It’s up to the court martial to decide whether the orders are unlawful or not. If they decide otherwise, it’s mutiny. Which carries the death penalty. Despite the lip service paid to the idea of resisting lawful orders, few soldiers will do so.

        • so-in-so

          I can see some soldier or low level officer getting the idea. And paying the price if caught.

      • efgoldman

        I am not confident that he won’t order the military to go after the families of the terrorists.

        What has he “told” the military to do, that they’ve done?
        Have you noticed a whole bunch of mandatory discharges of trans soldiers?
        Basically the generals and admirals nod and do what they were going to do anyway. The fact that neither he nor anyone in his orbit knows how to send a proper (in the sense of form and formatting) order down the chain of command helps.

        • JDTrust

          It is a consistent (if cold) comfort to me that the current administration is either utterly bureaucratically incompetent, or is doing a magnificent impression of it.

          I am also cynical (fatalistic?) enough to believe that the same ‘policy’ considerations that leave understaffed departments along the entire administrative spectrum will continue, such that the idea of ‘hiring a paperwork guy’ will never actually happen — although I freely concede that “I found a great paperwork guy, he’s the best, most brightest, etc.” as a one-time Trump-ception is a possibility (over/under on total length of employment, anyone?).

          I will also stipulate that “Inability to properly do paperwork” is a top 2 candidate for ‘least problematic thing about the White House’ (and I’m not sure who/what the #2 seed would be), but if procedural deficiency in official paperwork is what keeps 3am Tweets from becoming policy — I’m… I’m okay with that!

          This goes double for orders issued to the military.

        • Pseudonym

          It’s both comforting that the professional military is ignoring Trump’s craziness and terrifying that the military is effectively no longer under civilian control.

          • DamnYankeesLGM

            I’m not sure I’d say that. If Congress passed a law the military wouldn’t respect it. They are just making the judgment that if the President says something and does not followup, he probably doesn’t really want them to do it. Seems perfectly reasonable. There’s been no evidence so far of any instance where the President said to do something, they refused, and then he kept pushing them to do it and they kept refusing.

            • efgoldman

              They are just making the judgment that if the President says something and does not followup, he probably doesn’t really want them to do it.

              What they are doing resembles the “work to rule” tactic that some unions, notably teachers, use t o apply pressure in labor negotiations. They do everything they’re supposed to, not one small thing more (or less).
              Who knows what he wants them to do? Shoot Muslims with bullets dipped in pig’s blood? Kill all the trans soldiers and sailors? Water board the whole world? Who the hell knows. Does he? (Spoiler – not the faintest idea)

            • rea

              In particular, the principle that presidential tweets are not orders to the armed forces seems sound

            • Pseudonym

              Congress pretty much abdicated its constitutional responsibility to declare war decades ago. Now we have a president who is failing to perform the role of commander in chief as well. Instead we have a military that is pretty much doing its own thing, with even the executive branch civilian oversight—Defense Secretary, National Security Advisor, even White House Chief of Staff—being made up of current or retired military personnel. And they’re pretty much the only competent people in the administration. I don’t think we’re due for a military coup or anything, but it’s dangerous to go down this path of military professionalism acting as the antidote to the failure of elected politicians.

          • Hogan

            The “chain of command” norm appears to be quite strong in the military–I don’t obey an order until it comes from my immediate superior. Would that ICE and CBP had the same attitude.

            • CP

              Let alone the fucking police departments.

            • Pseudonym

              ICE clearly acted as a rogue agency during the Obama administration. It’s not clear at all that that’s what’s occurring now.

        • so-in-so

          Bombing in Syria? Misguided commando raids?

      • brad nailer

        I’d be surprised if the issue got to the Executive Order stage. Kelly would have to have a hand in that and I seriously doubt he’d let anything like that go through, no matter what he had to do to stop it. Four-star generals are not in the habit of countenancing war crimes.

    • One thing to remember is that, bizarrely, he’s very fearful and confrontation and, indeed, real world adverse. There’s an article floating around about how he wants to fire Bannon but is worried about what he’d do outside the administration.

      This one reason he’s yelling at volume 11 all the time…but in safe spaces. The fear of undeniable failure always looms.

      • DamnYankeesLGM

        Oh of course. He’s a complete coward.

      • Zagarna_84

        How are there not already 237497104 Downfall parodies of this administration? (Or, I don’t know, maybe there are. I’m afraid to look.)

      • Hypersphericalcow

        Donald Trump needs a safe space … what a special snowflake.

    • Sly

      Chris Hayes probably characterized it accurately when he recently told Ezra Klein “I think we have arrived at this new equilibrium in which both the interior members of his staff and actual federal bureaucracy – people in Congress, [the] US public, global publics, and global leaders – all basically understand the president is fundamentally a bullshit artist and you just shouldn’t listen to what he says.”

      Basically, imagine the Executive Brance is a privately held corporation in which the owner and CEO is an old doddering moron, everyone who works for him understands that he’s an old doddering moron, and so the company moves along just through an institutional inertia that is periodically interrupted by the old doddering moron suggesting that the company should invest in oil exploration on, like, the Moon. All the employees say “that’s a smart move, boss,” and just keep doing what they’ve been doing.

      • efgoldman

        “I think we have arrived at this new equilibrium in which both the
        interior members of his staff and actual federal bureaucracy – people in
        Congress, [the] US public, global publics, and global leaders – all
        basically understand the president is fundamentally a bullshit artist…”

        For several years, I was surprised, astonished and gobsmacked by how far from reality and logic the RWNJ world is. Vermilion Vermin is, of course, the worst.
        I no longer am any of those things. I really don’t know if that’s good or bad.

      • smut clyde
        • Hogan

          THANK YOU. One of my fondest Doonesbury memories.

    • Hypersphericalcow

      But he’s *not* running the government. Look at all the unappointed assistant staff positions. The entire executive has been running on fumes for six months.

      My guess is that this is because Trump has never run a large organization, and doesn’t actually know how to do so, and drives away anyone who might. The “Trump Organization” is pretty small, and consists mostly of lawyers, accountants, and family members. They don’t need an Undersecretary of State for East Asia, so why should the US?

    • Hogan

      In most respects, the government runs itself. There are laws on the books and regulations in force and policies and orders in place and the people who do stuff keep doing the stuff they do. Except in certain areas, Trump and Bannon haven’t figured out a way to break through that crust and make shit stop happening.

      • Cheap Wino

        Hence the Deep State nonsense.

  • Anna in PDX

    One of the things he has done differently than other Republican administrations is that he is so clearly stating so many times that he only represents those who voted for him. He has no concept of the idea of being president of the whole country and having an obligation to represent citizens at large. Bush and others did awful things but they always at least paid lip service to this concept. It’s really distressing to be a member of a group he has demonized in this way, he clearly does not feel that we are true citizens of his country.

    • Snakelite

      This is one reason why so many dont consider him to be their president. He doesn’t consider himself to be their president. He’s made that clear.

    • MikeG

      Bush/Cheney were this way also, though they paid lip service to governing for the whole country. Openly out to benefit their voters and screw the blue states.

      • Anna in PDX

        I would argue though that the lip service is a lot better than this demonization in terms of keeping the general public from thinking a Muslim American is an oxymoron or not. When people like McCain and Colin Powell told people off for being bigoted against Obama or against Muslim soldiers etc., that helped the average Muslim citizen. Lip service has some positive consequences and not having it anymore is… worrying.

        • Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb

          Yeah, Bush at least took seriously the Head of State duties. Trump just wants to be the right-wing pundit who has the biggest platform.

      • gratuitous

        The Republicans during those years often invoked “the American people” and “the will of the people.” That rhetoric pretty much dried up after the rout of 2006.

        • Hogan

          I was on a Usenet group in 2001 where I came back late after 9/11 (long story). My explanation for my silence was “It is important that at this time we speak with one voice. Therefore, like all freedom-loving Americans, I waited until our president told me what it was OK to say.”

    • JustRuss

      Meh, I recall John Bolton appearing on The Daily Show and Stewart asking him something along the lines of “….but shouldn’t the President represent the interests of all Americans?”

      Bolton looked at him incredulously and said “But WE won!”. Trump is saying it louder, but it’s the same old song.

    • Downpup E

      This is the same mental gap that can’t tell Confederates from founding fathers. No concept of what the USA is, much less a dedication to it.

    • Hypersphericalcow

      I suppose that “Fuck you, I’ve got mine” is a kind of approach to governing.

      • so-in-so

        Plus “I’m boss now”, while being too lazy to actually do more than tweet or sign something shoved in front of him.

      • Ash

        At least it’s an ethos…

        • Hogan

          Maybe more of a pathos.

          • Ash

            An ethos of pathos and chaos?

          • wjts

            With that man, it’s bathos all the way down.

  • Dr. Waffle

    In addition to all his jingoistic rhetoric, Trump has already killed more people overseas than Obama did during his eight years in office. At least we don’t have to worry about Hillary’s hawkishness, though.

    • Zagarna_84

      That… seems highly unlikely. Even to me. What’s your source for this?

      • Dr. Waffle

        I apologize. So far, U.S. air strikes have killed 2,200 people under the Trump Administration. 2,300 died during Obama’s time in office.


        • Pseudonym

          2,200 vs. 2,300 civilians, which I assume doesn’t count those we consider terrorists. That’s still pretty remarkable.

        • Zagarna_84

          Okay, I see the problem. You’re misreading the article. The 2300 figure is just for Iraq and Syria. Obama-era strikes killed a lot of civilians in Afghanistan and Yemen, among other places, as well.

          The article’s statement that the rate of killing in Iraq and Syria has roughly doubled since Trump took over sounds much more plausible, and still duly disturbing.

  • Pseudonym

    Will the base, er, plinth finally abandon Trump now that he’s calling for the mass murder of MILFs?

  • Gator90

    Chuck Todd tells me 68% of Republicans agree with DJT’s comments on Charlottesville. As a Jew, what I take from this is that a substantial portion of U.S. citizenry is relatively untroubled by people who would prefer my family and me to be dead. For the first time in my life, I have a glimmer of understanding of what proto-fascist Bibi Netanyahu is talking about when he says Jews have only one home. (And I know Jews are relatively privileged in this country compared to a number of other folks, and I know I’m being dramatic and over-personalizing this. But still.)

    • eclare

      68% is actually lower than I would have expected.

    • Snakelite

      Trumpians claim to be horrified by the Nazis, but the great majority of them want a White, Christian America.

    • 68% of Republicans agree with DJT’s comments on Charlottesville

      it’s nuts.

      and only 15% say he’s encouraged racial division.


      • so-in-so

        “racial division” to a GOPer means calling out racism or suggesting racial inequality isn’t the result of natural differences. Hence President Obama was the most divisive Ever, while Dump and Bush (and Wilson) were fine.

        • Hogan

          He was being black at me!

      • The Lorax

        I’ve seen recently conservatives suggest Obama is responsible for the Nazis, as he made racial divisions so much worse. What gives? What in the conservative mind makes them think Obama made racial relations worse in the US? Usually I can imagine the way the argument is supposed to go.

        • they’re insane, but that’s been their shtick since 2007 – Jeremiah Wright and all that. they pretend that Obama was some kind of Black Panther / Kill Whitey caricature.

          it’s sad that people fall for it.

        • Veleda_k

          In the conservative mind, making people aware that racism exists is what makes racism worse. Being the target of racism makes racism worse. So Obama, by being publicly black, is responsible for racism.

        • Concerned Citizen

          They say he “rushed to judgment” about Trayvon Martin, the Ferguson shooting and the incident with the Harvard professor in Cambridge. They also say that he encouraged BLM, while refusing to support police.

          I heard this just today on Sean Hannity.

    • brad nailer

      I’d love to see how those survey questions were worded. 68% of Americans supporting overt Nazism seems high to me, although these days I guess you have to figure that anything’s possible.

      If that 68% agreed with Trump that the lefties were just as responsible for the mayhem as the Nazis, that wouldn’t surprise me. I don’t know much about Antifa, but from what I’ve read so far, they might be part of the problem.

    • DAS

      Our Republican co-religionists still see the far left as a greater threat than the far right. After all, the far left got Gillibrand, a potential Democratic presidential candidate to withdraw her support from an anti-BDS bill, which shows you that the far left has a lot of influence on the Democratic party. The far right, OTOH, is only a small fronge movement the liberal media likes to exaggerate

    • DAS

      Should also add that Bibi’s allies are doing everything they can to stir up anti-semitism world wide. Meanwhile most religious Jews do not have a home in Israel because Jewish religious life is dominated by extremists who doeverything they can with their state sponsored monopoly to keep Jews from practicing Judaism (unless it’s the bizarre version they approve of).

    • Cheap Wino

      Remember the story where focus groups didn’t believe that GOP policies were real, they were too evil? I’d bet that same kind of thing is happening here. These people don’t really know what was said or what was done, they get their news from Rush or Fox. They’re just reflexively supporting their tribe when answering these questions. Many of them, I suspect, would change their tune if they were reliably informed about the hate-spewing Trump dropped on us.

      • efgoldman

        Many of them, I suspect, would change their tune if they were reliably informed about the hate-spewing Trump dropped on us.

        Many others of them would cheer

    • bender

      I’m also a Jew, and I have a lower opinion of human beings in general than you seem to have. Our species evolved for hundreds of thousands of years in social groups of about one hundred people. Most people are born with some empathy (including empathy for other species), but empathy isn’t reliable. Attitudes toward people who are not part of one’s immediate kinship group are one hundred percent cultural, which means malleable and fragile.

      I think a large portion of any group of people is largely indifferent to the fates of people they don’t know, that it has always been thus, and it takes constant effort to teach people any other attitude.

    • Otherjen

      I’m so sorry. As a Mexican-American, I took home the same message. I stand with you. I think there are at least more of us than of them.

      • Gator90

        Thanks and back atcha.

  • Hypersphericalcow

    So where did Trump pick up that “anecdote” about Pershing? From Bannon? Bannon seems smarter than to spread obvious bullshit like that. Miller? Cohen? Is this something he heard decades ago, and was the first thing that the poor ISAM module in his brain found?

    Christ, we’re doing Kremlinology on a fifteen-clown-car pileup.

    • mnuba

      I think he picked it up from a document titled “FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: A TRUE AMERICAN HERO” or similar.

      • FlipYrWhig

        Yup. It’s one of these evergreen “here’s how to deal with the Muslim problem” stories, like “just turn the whole Middle East into one giant glass parking lot.”

  • brad

    From what I understand this was sort of depicted in a movie, however, so now you’re saying you hate Gary Cooper. Sad!

    • bender

      This story sounds like an over the top version of actual rumors that sparked a bloody mutiny in the British Empire (in the Raj, I think, but I don’t remember the details) during the nineteenth century, although the rumors involved lard being used to grease paper cartridge cases.

      • smut clyde

        Nonono, the lard-grease rumour was part of the Sepoy Mutiny, which preceded the British Empire. It had been a privatised occupation until things went pear-shaped.

        Sounds like the initial use of animal grease for cartridge use was a contributing factor, and attempts to assauge the troops’ religious concerns came too late:

      • so-in-so

        The paper cartridges were to be bitten open for loading the rifle. Rebels spread the story they were greased with beef fat among Hindu troops, and pig fat among Muslim troops. Actually there were other issues involving deployment out of their home areas which affected cast as well. The leaving one alive to tell the rest is in a number of other tales.

        • JamesWimberley

          The story about the cartridges was true, from what I’ve read. The Indian Mutiny was deliberately given an understated name : it was a huge rebellion over a large swathe of British India, involved numerous pitched battles and long-drawn-out sieges, with savage atrocities in both sides. It led to the end of both formal antagonists, the East India Company and the Mughal Empire. The deaths were in the hundreds of thousands – a scale comparable to the American Civil War.

  • Asano Sokato

    “Remember how after the attack in #Charolettesville Trump suggested we study what General Patton did to Nazis? Nah. Me neither. #Barcelona”
    – tweet I just read

    • Downpup E

      Oh, Lordy. I’d nearly managed to forget Bill O’Reilly crediting the Malmedy Massacre to plucky US Infantry –
      In Malmedy, as you know, U.S. forces captured SS forces, who had their hands in the air and they were unarmed. And they shot them down. You know that. That’s on the record. And been documented.

  • “General Pershing was a rough guy, He caught 50 terrorists who did tremendous damage . . . and he took the 50 terrorists and he took 50 men and dipped 50 bullets in pig’s blood. You heard about that? He took 50 bullets and dipped them in pig’s blood. And he has his men load up their rifles and he lined up the 50 people and they shot 49 of those people. And the 50th person, he said, you go back to your people and you tell them what happened. And for 25 years there wasn’t a problem.”

    Of course, Trump has absolutely no concept of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

    • gratuitous

      Although I think we all agree that should President Trump try to emulate this crime against humanity, our good friends in the Muslim community around the world would react with a calm and reflective response, and none of them would express any undue anger or desire for revenge.

      • Pseudonym

        Just like Americans never express any undue anger or desire for revenge after we are attacked. Certainly that would never manifest itself in invading a majority-Muslim country that had no hand whatsoever in the attack.

    • farin

      He understands none of war, crime, or humanity.

    • so-in-so

      Sure he has a cocept of war crimes. He thinks they great. Really tough guys do them, we need more of that!

  • Richard E Olmstead

    As plenty of others have noted, the Onion has morphed into a almost not parody-news site. And the is pretty brilliant from their sister-site ClickHole:


    • so-in-so

      Maybe the Onion needs to publish stories about a sane, responsive government, like the one the preceding 8 years. That would be some parody of what we have today.

      Except Fix kinda has that niche, pretending everything is fine except for those dastardly liberals.

  • FlipYrWhig

    “What’s interesting about this race is that in many areas, like national defense, Trump is running to Hillary Clinton’s LEFT,” said many mainstream pundits and leftier-than-thou social media mavens. Fuck them all.

    • Hypersphericalcow

      Yeah, because threatening nuclear war is totes leftist.

      • Ash

        A family friend become convinced during the election that HRC was going to cause a nuclear war whereas Trump might cause a genocide, but wouldn’t blow us all up (citing Infowars – oh for those halcyon days when nobody but wingnuts knew what THAT was). I’d like to ask him about his thinking now, but so far I haven’t touched that wasp’s nest.

        And, hey, it looks like he might have been right about the genocide! *bangs head on desk*

        • Hypersphericalcow

          We’ve got the worst of both worlds!

          • Ash

            It might not be the worst timeline yet, but it’s certainly in the running for the weirdest

            • Hypersphericalcow

              “Stop this timeline, I want to get off!”

          • Ash

            “It’s two for one, folks, the best deal, believe me!. It’s gonna be great, the best radioactive cleansing you could ever get. Now, the fake news lies, they want to keep you in the dark, but folks, we’re gonna Make America Glow Again!”

        • Procopius

          Actually, that was my thought, too, but I ended up voting for HRC anyway. Not sure if I regret that or not. I vote absentee and think there was no space for a write-in candidate on my ballot. Hillary supporters seem to ignore her hawkishness while Secretary of State. Who promoted Victoria Nuland? Who approved Nuland’s coup in Ukraine? Who did Robert Kagan endorse? Who was credited with being the deciding arguer on Libya? I have to say my hope for Trump has been disappointed, but at the time it seemed possible.

          • Ash

            …I do hope you’re exaggerating your concern over HRC’s hawkish tendencies, and not suggesting that you thought she would be irrational and/or stupid enough to start a NUCLEAR war? Because there’s a major difference between those two viewpoints.

          • Veleda_k

            but at the time it seemed possible.

            No it didn’t.

          • solidcitizen

            Only if you never listened to anything Trump actually said. He threatened to nuke Syria. He threatened to torture/kill the families of terrorists. He blamed Obama for getting out of Iraq “too soon.” He pledged to wipe out ISIS in 90 days. He wanted to tear up the Iran deal.

            Only someone listening to Killary propaganda could have thought that Trump just might be the “peace” candidate.

          • M Lister

            Nope, you were just dumb. Even listening a bit to Trump, and knowing a bit about how world affairs work, would show you that. I’m sorry to have be be blunt, but that’s all there is. That position was stupid, and obviously so. Please try harder in the future.

          • Hogan

            Who was credited with being the deciding arguer on Libya?

            The correct answer is “France.”

            • Procopius

              Hmmm. I forgot about that. I was thinking only domestically. Have they gotten any of the benefits they expected?

    • DN Nation

      They’re still trying to make “Dems are provoking Russia, therefore WW3” happen, bless ’em.

      • FlipYrWhig

        Also “Trump said ‘alt-left’ _like you probably do_, you gave him that idea!” To which my response is, “Trump sure liked to say ‘establishment’ and ‘rigged,’ and where do ya think he got that?” SMH.

  • I mean he doesn’t know history but the fact that he is willing to cite potential mass murder (wasn’t there plenty of that in the Philippines, it’s not like he can’t find an example) shows his and his people’s frame of mind. They really want to wipe out sections of the world (and here at home).

  • Joe Paulson

    Waiting to comment until he knows all the facts, I see.

  • gocart mozart
    • Hypersphericalcow

      Thank you for reminding me that I needed to refresh my brain-bleach IV drip.

    • Unemployed_Northeastern

      Trump’s hands aren’t that big…

    • NeoliberalBanksterCaptainHowdy

      I am stealing.

  • AMK

    when the second civil war comes we should dip the bullets in fentanyl

    • sigaba


  • sigaba

    Максим Бут fucking hates Trump. It’s enough to get me tempted to buy a copy of “War Made New,” but I’m still working on rehabilitating Victor Davis Hanson.

  • EvanHarper

    the ignorance and sectarianism of this myth is mind-boggling to me. it doesn’t make the slightest bit of sense unless you think that Islam is a form of folk witchcraft rather than a transcendental religion. if anything Christianity has more to answer for here; many Christians have insisted that e.g. renouncing Christ under torture denies salvation, while Muslims see this as blameless dissimulation. but this “bacon fat is Muslim kryptonite” thing, it’s even dumber, it’s like believing that Christians would be terrified to be physically restrained and have their feet forced onto icons of Christ, since that’s a sin.

    • Zagarna_84

      It reminds one of nothing so much as those bizarre stories about Jews that circulated in medieval Europe, and which everyone involved had to know were utterly ridiculous.

      Ridiculous or not, though, those stories led to pogroms. Is Trump trying to incite anti-Muslim violence?

  • smerdyakov

    Study what General Sherman of the United States did to white
    supremacists when in their city. There was no more Confederate Treason
    for 20 years!

    • so-in-so

      They are trying to make up for it now…

  • BiloSagdiyev

    Life has been hectic this past day and today and I don’t have time to read the whole thread, so forgive me if this point has been made.

    Has anybody reminded the wingnuts that John Pershing once led a large group of armed black men?

  • smittywerbenmanjensen

    Yet another president speaks approvingly of war crimes. Surprise! It’s a Republican!

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