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Trump Voters. Again.

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I imagine some day someone will paint a picture of Trump voters that will not be infuriating. Maybe it’s something that will have to come with time and distance. Maybe when Trump is out of office I’ll be able to read about Trump voters without  feeling a seething rage. Maybe I’ll even get my snark back. It seems to be depleted these days. Some day I may be able to read about Trump voters without wanting to throttle everyone in the MSM or the Bernie-or-Busters. But today is not that day.

 

After the election, I decided to talk to 100 Trump voters from around the country. I went to the middle of the country, the middle of the state, and talked to many online.

The TL;DR quote is this:

“You all can defeat Trump next time, but not if you keep mocking us, refusing to listen to us, and cutting us out. It’s Republicans, not Democrats, who will take Trump down.”

In other words, “we’ll vote for someone we dislike and even find unfit for office out of spite.” INCREDIBLE.

 

“He is anti-abortion.” Note: This sentiment came up a lot. A number of people I spoke to said they didn’t care about anything else he did and would always vote for whichever candidate was more anti-abortion.

You buried the lede. You buried it bigtime. This is a huge admission. An admission that Trump voters are–fundamentally–conservative Republicans and they–surprise surprise!–vote like conservative Republicans. It’s also a tacit admission that many Trump supporters are avid misogynists.

“He is anti-immigration.” Note: This sentiment came up a lot. The most surprising takeaway for me how little it seemed to be driven by economic concerns, and how much it was driven by fears about “losing our culture,” “safety,” “community,” and a general Us-vs.-Them mentality.

Yeah. They’re racists and xenophobes. This isn’t news.

“I am socially very liberal. I am fiscally very conservative. I don’t feel I have a party — never have. I grew up in a more socially conservative time and picked the “lesser of two evils” during elections. Now, the more socially liberal side supports bigger governments, more aid and support, and that money has to come from somewhere. I see what’s deducted from my check each week. I’m OK with never being rich, but I’d like more security, and that doesn’t come from more government spending.”

Actually, that’s exactly where it comes from and now if you’ll excuse me I’m going to go bash my head against the wall until I lose consciousness.

“I’m willing to postpone some further social justice progress, which doesn’t really result in loss of life, in favor of less foreign policy involvement, the opposite of which does.”

Well, betting on a toddler with personality disorder who surrounds himself with white supremacists seems like a poor way to achieve this result. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go bash my head against the wall until I lose consciousness.

“Brown people are always the out-crowd. I think subconsciously, part of the reason I supported him was a way to be in the in-crowd for once.”

Translation: “I was willing to shit on other marginalized people so I could feel like part of the cool crowd.” Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go bash my head against the wall until I lose consciousness.

 

“The way he talks about women is despicable.”

“Everything about his style. We only voted for him because this election was too important to worry about style.”

“I don’t like most things about him. The way it worked is we got to choose one of two terrible options.”

“I think our nation needs Trumpism to survive long-term, and to me, that supersedes almost every other reservation I have. My issue is with Trump himself — I think he’s the wrong vessel for his movement, but he’s all we’ve got, so I’m behind him.”

“I think the rollout of the immigration executive order is emblematic of a clusterf—, to be completely frank.”

“I now believe the Muslim ban actually makes us less safe.”

“Isolationism and protectionism at this point is insane. We’ve done that before.”

“I, too, worry about the dishonesty. His relationship with Russia, his relationship with women. His relationship with questionable financial matters. These all worry me, and were they to continue, I would lose all respect.”

“He continually plays into a character that he has created to rile his fan base. Accepting anti-Semitism, white nationalism, or hate emanating unnecessarily creates a vacuum of fear on social media, on television, and around the dinner table. Even though the policies may be similar to that of any recent Republican president, the behavior to act so immaturely sets a bad example for children and undercuts many cultural norms, which more than anything causes disruption to our sociological foundations.”

“I hate that he discredits the press all the time. That seems to forebode great evil.”

I just want to thank every media outlet, every activist and every pundit who made sure to hammer home how flawed Hillary was. How there was a “cloud” over her. Who implied that she was hugely corrupt. Who implied that her flaws were in any way commensurate to Donald’s. You did a great job.

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  • randomworker

    Yeah. MoJo has a troll that basically says over and over “at least Trump loves America” but can anyone looking at him or listening to him speak say that? The whole thing is preposterous.

    • Nobdy

      Trump’s entire campaign was about how horrible America is and how only, ONLY, a failed casino owner could fix it.

      He has kept this up throughout his presidency. Sometimes he remembers to specifically praise groups or individuals who support him, but generally his attitude towards America is unrelenting in its negativity.

      • how only, ONLY, a failed casino owner could fix it.

        To be fair, in many ways our present U.S.A. is a failed casino.

        Make Three-Card Monte Great Again!

        • N__B

          All that is needed to make Three-Card Monte great is a never-ending stream of suckers. Where could anyone find…oh.

    • Dr. Ronnie James, DO

      The majority of Americans:
      * Non-white
      * Female
      * Voted for Hillary (if they voted at all)
      * Like the ACA
      * Like Obama

      Trump hates all those above categories.
      Trump hates America.

  • Nobdy

    I don’t see how a portrait of a Trump voter will never not be infuriating. What they did was unconscionable and incredibly stupid for almost any aim other than illegitimate ones like racism.

    Trump’s campaign showed him to be dishonest, incompetent, and bigoted. There was no way the wool could be pulled over your eyes unless you were just not paying any attention, which is infuriating in its own right.

    Time and distance won’t help. If anything they may make it worse as we spend the next 20 years trying to repair and recover from the Trump legacy.

    Has 160 years made Calhoun voters any more sympathetic? And he didn’t even win!

    • aturner339

      Right. The example of the proto-Trump George Wallace suggests that if anything Trump voters will only grow less relatable with time.

    • Pat

      I see it as magical thinking. The church and Fox News both promote magical thinking as a way to live your life. People don’t care about process or cause and effect; mechanism and logic are abandoned in the pursuit of emotional purity.

      This may seem like it comes from left field, but I really believe that we need to address the way addiction is handled in this country if we want to connect with a lot of these voters. Today, the church and AA are considered the best source of treatment for addiction. I think that they only make things worse.

      • Srsly Dad Y

        I hear you but I think AA/religion/conservatism all feed on the same, deeper well: a life without Clear Rules is just emotionally intolerable for a lot of people. They long for a higher power, the surrender to which they call Freedom.

        • I think there’s a tension between religion as personal moral perfection and religion as integration into a social order (and that’s before you even get into tension between religion as protector of the political order, so long as government recognizes its special status, usually, and religion as critic of the political order). “Surrender to a Higher Power is true Freedom” is a cliche that can be interpreted in a bunch of ways, probably depending on people’s previous background and what the people around them are doing.

        • efgoldman

          a life without Clear Rules is just emotionally intolerable for a lot of people.

          My life has clear rules:
          – My religion is none of your fucking business; keep yours the fuck out of my business.
          – Women, children LGBT, people with other than pink/white skin, are all human beings, and have the same rights as your ignorant, lily-white ass.
          – Government exists to serve the common good. It’s called a “commonwealth” for a reason. That includes, but is not limited to, providing common goods like roads, schools, sanitation, transportation, libraries, safety responders….
          – Everybody is entitled to a basic level of food, shelter, income. and medical care, supplemented by the government if necessary
          – Just because you have freedom of speech doesn’t mean you get to be an asshole.

          That’ll do for now.

        • Docrailgun

          Religion doesn’t equal conservative, let alone evangelical Christianity. A lot of people out there protesting are heathen/pagan/Wiccan/etc and you’ll find most of them as left-wing as they come.

          I hear you but I think AA/religion/conservatism all feed on the same, deeper well: a life without Clear Rules is just emotionally intolerable for a lot of people. They long for a higher power, the surrender to which they call Freedom.

        • Cassiodorus

          I had basically this conversation last week without realizing it. A friend of mine, who’s an Evangelical, asked me how I could avoid a constant sense of panic? Even if I found reality as uncomfortable as he does, what would be the alternative? If the meaning of life were determined by a god, that wouldn’t make his/her real.

      • People don’t care about process or cause and effect;

        This isn’t only certain groups. It’s not obvious anyone can live their live thinking primarily in process terms, or even that that’s a good idea, outside a small part of their life. What affects them personally, maybe, or what has to do with their job.

        Religion (and this does seem to include AA, some of the time) though does seem to help make small things appear to be of apocalyptic import. Politics does actually require process thinking, and doesn’t actually require apocalyptic thinking.

  • Snarki, child of Loki

    Yet, strangely enough, there doesn’t seem to be any ‘think pieces’ for Trump voters to ‘understand’ the larger number of “coastal” voters that went for Hillary.

    • Nobdy

      Trump voters don’t care what other people think.

      They also understand why people voted Hillary. It is not hard to figure out why someone wanted a competent, smart, level-headed, fair-minded president.

      This whole “I don’t want to announce I voted for Trump because I fear persecution” thing is garbage. They don’t want to go on record as supporting Trump because they knew it was wrong but they did it anyway for various reasons.

      • MAJeff

        Trump voters don’t care what other people think.

        And, yet, they’re obsessed with it.

        • Nobdy

          They care about their own status, but not really about the reasons behind it. They hate being made fun of and judged because it demonstrates their powerlessness.

          Roger Stone responded to that epic twitter roast by saying the author wasn’t clever or funny. Substantively that is obviously false; if someone roasted me like that it might hurt but I would have to give her props for creativity and cleverness. But he can’t do that. He sees it as a struggle for social power between the two of them. He never engages with her substance at all.

        • so-in-so

          Trump voters don’t care what other people think.

          And, yet, they’re obsessed with it.

          Weren’t they the ones with the “Fuck your feelings” tee shirts?

      • efgoldman

        Trump voters don’t care what other people think.

        And most of them can’t read (yes, I believe that. They can read the words on a page, but they have no idea what they mean.)

    • What, you want Trump voters to think??? TORTURER!!!

      • Colin Day

        Auric Goldfinfer: No, Mr. Trump voter, I don’t expect you to think. I expect you to die.

        • Colin Day

          Goldfinger.

    • Pat

      There never were, throughout the campaign. Endless electrons for Trump voters, none for people like me. We Clinton supporters are invisible.

      • Dr. Ronnie James, DO

        A silent majority, you could say

    • Lurking Canadian

      That’s part of the method. The notion that there were people genuinely excited about voting for Clinton, despite its obvious truth as evidenced by the outpouring of joy that was the Democratic convention, violated The Narrative, which required that all clinton voters were holding their nose to avoid the stink coming from all the clouds of suspicion.

    • NewishLawyer

      Again, this is a strength and weakness in liberalism. We doubt and wonder whether we are wrong and we see people in hard times and think they need help. We aren’t willing to damn them to misery even if they will never vote for us. We aren’t willing to design urban only welfare programs that will destroy rural locations.

  • DrDick

    The modern Republican Party has become the monster mashup of deplorables. They are angry, incoherent, and hate everybody else. Like their President, they are irrational toddlers lashing out blindly because they did not get their way.

    • aturner339

      I’d argue that as a popular movement American conservatism has been this since at least the Cold War. The GOP just became excusively conservative.

      • Colin Day

        The GOP has been excusive for a while.

      • DrDick

        I am not really sure that you can talk about a “conservative movement” before the 1970s/80s. Before that it was too factionalized. More importantly, it was divided between the two major parties, social conservatives in the Democrats and economic conservatives in the Republicans, before Nixon and it took over a decade for almost all of them to migrate to the Republicans. For the most part, they also tended to be rather more rational that today (tough still completely wrong).

        • efgoldman

          it took over a decade for almost all of them to migrate to the Republicans.

          The history is what it is. Up until 1972, I often voted for (state level) Republiklowns.
          But the great political migration is complete. Tricksie Dicksie Nixie’s Southern strategy worked as intended. The history doesn’t matter in the second decade of the 21st century. How we got here is not really important any more.

          • Davis X. Machina

            How we got here is not really important any more.

            Still, we gotta drag it out on a regular basis though, so long as people keep trying to tell us about the Glorious Liberal Golden Age when the Democratic Party, especially in Congress, was a social-democratic steamroller, which we’ve spent the next 40 years selling off piece by piece at DLC yard sales.

  • ASV

    I see what’s deducted from my check each week.

    Obama cut your taxes, idiot.

  • This whole business of “I hold completely conventional Republican views and consider them so key to my voting behavior that I helped to usher in the presidency of a totally unqualified, lazy, stupid, racist sexual abuser and also I demand you be nice to me or I won’t vote for a Democrat next time” is really precious. Wait, did I say precious? I meant infuriating. Even more infuriating? A media establishment that keeps unquestioningly repeating this argument.

    • efgoldman

      Wait, did I say precious? I meant infuriating.

      Stupidity, willful ignorance, stubbornness = an ungood combination.
      Like the two older, homebound, disabled women in Georgia that CBS interviewed about Shitgibbon wanting to end meals/wheels. The black woman said exactly what you’d expect – outraged, it’s stupid, people will die…. The white woman said, well I’ll probably die and suffer and so will other people, but I’d vote for him again.
      It’s a wonder any of us have any skulls, or walls, left.

    • los

      Abigail Nussbaum says:

      “I demand you be nice to me or I won’t vote for a Democrat next time”

      Trumpcucks: “DON’T YOU LEFTIES HURT MY FEELINGS TALKING ABOUT ME HURTING MYSELF OR IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT THAT I’LL HAVE TO HURT MYSELF AGAIN1!!”

      • los

        “WE HAVE THE GUNZ1!! YOU SNOWFLAKE!1! I DRINK YOUR LIBBERILL TEARS11!!”

        “I KNOW DONALD LOVES ME BECAUSE HE TELLS ME HE LOVES ME.”

    • los

      “I demand you be nice to me or I won’t vote for a Democrat next time”

      Trump Cucks On Twitter: “Keep That Up.[1] That’s Why Trump Won. He’s Your President Now.[2]”

      ______________
      1. = I love it when you scream.
      2. = You should lie back and enjoy it.

    • los

      Abigail Nussbaum says:

      did I say precious? I meant infuriating.

      Metaphorically nauseating; actually pathetic.
      The humor[1] wore off after I read the same inane Trumpcuck aphorism the 3rd time.

      ______________
      1. “Um, maybe this isn’t Poe…”

  • jeer9

    My wife just had a nightmare that Trump, out of pathological laziness, began repeating information that he’d gotten from his Echo which had misunderstood what he asked.

    This did not seem much of … a stretch.

  • PhoenixRising

    I feel like I said it quite clearly on Nov. 11: Trump voters want me, and everyone else who got out, to have to live like they do–because that would let them pretend that they too had choices and didn’t fail at the opportunity to step toward a future they can’t succeed in.

    It infuriates them that I get to order takeout Vietnamese food and marry the woman I love and point out that we chose not to raise our child nearer to them because they are racist ignoramuses.

    They’re mad as hell that being a white native-born citizen isn’t an advantage, and no policy that favors their material needs in this reality will overcome their anger. It’s…not complicated, it’s just ugly.

    • Nobdy

      What do you mean being a white native born citizen isn’t an advantage?

      • Lurking Canadian

        PR doesn’t need my help, but I’d read it as “not a guarantee”.

      • PhoenixRising

        It’s not the only advantage they/their kids need, which is confusing and disappointing to them.

    • Cassiodorus

      As someone who grew up in the rural South, absolutely. They are a very insecure bunch and see any efforts to reach out to them as insulting at best, hostile at worst.

  • nemdam

    Josh Barro going after Chelsea Clinton. If you haven’t been following, it’s for, and I kid you not, writing a fucking children’s book. Because of course he is. The people with CDS are going to make Chelsea a thing just to smear and humiliate her. So disgusting.

    • Q.E.Dumbass

      But she and $hillary are habitual line jumpers, dontcha know. And they will never not be habitual line jumpers, so Chelsea needs to stop worrying her li'l head about political shit, shut the fuck up, and go home to be a librarian, pre-K teacher or whatever. Neolibtard.

      I actually linked to Alex Shepherd’s pearl-clutching regarding the same Friday.

      • nemdam

        Yup. The most deranged of those with CDS have been all in on smearing Chelsea for writing a children’s book this past week. It’s like they got a bat signal or something. I’m sure Maureen Dowd will have a column about it any day now.

    • Abbey Bartlet

      Yglesias hopped on the train, too. As did Matt Bruenig, rather…alarmingly.

      Hating Clinton women is truly unifying across the political spectrum.

      • Origami Isopod

        But, but, according to Louislouius, poor ickle Matty was a victim of that nasty woman Neera Tanden! I'm sure Chelsea Clinton did something to provoke him!

      • nemdam

        Surprised Yglesias jumped on the train. He was fiercely anti-CDS during the campaign. Unless he is talking to CDS people to stop pretending Chelsea is a thing?

        • Abbey Bartlet

          It surprised me too, but as far as I can tell he hasn’t refuted the universal interpretation of “Matt is joining Barro in the weird anti-Chelsea thing.”

        • Thlayli

          I read it as aimed at those who are floating the “Chelsea is running for Congress” balloons — a group which, AFAICT, does not include Mrs. Mezvinsky herself.

          YMMV.

      • Yglesias was vague enough that I initially read him as criticizing the kind of “is Chelsea going to go into politics?!?!” media frothing that Bruenig is engaging in. It’d be nice if he would clarify.

      • RonC

        To be fair hating Clinton seems to get as much mileage.

        • RonC

          Damn, left out the word “Man”. What happened to the edit button?

    • efgoldman

      Josh Barro going after Chelsea Clinton.

      There’s a newish (funny he doesn’t look newish) troll here who insists she’s running for president.
      I don’t understand it, but then, I never understood CDS, either.
      I mean, I understand the mechanics of it, why it was/is always out there, and I understand why the RWNJs kept it alive, but really, Villagers? REALLY??

    • Lord Jesus Perm

      So are liberals still going to lionize Barro as one of the “good” ones?

      Also, considering Breunig’s history, I’d say this fits what he is.

      • Q.E.Dumbass

        He’s now a Democrat, so.

        • Lord Jesus Perm

          Lmao, hadn’t realized that.

      • nemdam

        I was open to calling Barro one of the good ones, but since he officially switched to a Democrat, he has completely let his CDS freak flag fly. There’s something wrong with him, and others afflicted with a severe case of CDS, for the Clintons to stir up so much disgust in these people. It’s cliche, but I am still amazed that he hasn’t provided one substantive reason for hating the Clintons so much.

  • JdLaverty

    The idea that trumps base has been “marginalized” and “ignored” is fucking preposterous. The basic premise of this article (a trip to real america to talk to regular folk) has been an integral part of the coverage of every campaign for as long as I can remember (curiosly nobody seems interested in talking to black or Hispanic workers in cities and elsewhere). Not to mention the absurd overrepresentation these people get in congress and in the electoral college. Fucking self-absorbed, woe-is-me motherfuckers.

    • demz taters

      In other words, special snowflakes.

      • efgoldman

        In other words, special snowflakes.

        Extra, super special….

    • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

      Yes. A recent newspaper article on what’s happened to the workers who live in Youngstown managed to only interview white men.

  • miwayha

    If anyone who wants to do a soft focus profile of a while male Clinton supporter who grew up in Real America, hit me up.

    • PhoenixRising

      I too will make myself available for the missing piece to the ‘why white people raised in Stupidia reject GOP candidates/policies’ puzzle.

      Which is a far more interesting question than “why do the losers from the global movement of capital since 1989 resent everyone who recognizes them as the losers without regard for their own best interests?”.

      • DrDick

        Me, too. I grew up in Oklahoma and currently live in Montana. I have been voting since 1972 and have never voted for a Republican or any other conservative.

        • Cassiodorus

          I sadly broke my “no Republicans” streak last year by voting for the Republican candidate for DA here, who was oddly significantly to the left of the Democrat.

  • CrunchyFrog

    Yep. I hear this shit all of the time – living where I do and looking like just another white racist I have the privilege of hearing what the dumbshits really say to each other. It got a ton worse with the nomination of Obama. They’d kind of reconciled themselves to having major men’s team sports being dominated by blacks and a certain amount of racial intermarriage at that point, but that was a step too far. When he actually won they lost whatever sliver of rational thinking they had left.

    I’m really pessimistic about the future of humanity, and that’s probably because I see the worst of them up front all of the time.

    • Abbey Bartlet

      Yep. I hear this shit all of the time – living where I do and looking like just another white racist I have the privilege of hearing what the dumbshits really say to each other. It got a ton worse with the nomination of Obama. They’d kind of reconciled themselves to having major men’s team sports being dominated by blacks and a certain amount of racial intermarriage at that point, but that was a step too far. When he actually won they lost whatever sliver of rational thinking they had left.

      I’ve wondered for some time if electing Obama was a mistake, because while a majority of voters were ready for a black president, the minority who weren’t ready REALLY REALLY REALLY weren’t ready, and the backlash may set us back to where we were before him.

      I’m really pessimistic about the future of humanity, and that’s probably because I see the worst of them up front all of the time.

      Hearing the way people talk about Hillary and Obama when they think no one is listening is chilling beyond belief.

      • Lord Jesus Perm

        I’ve wondered for some time if electing Obama was a mistake, because while a majority of voters were ready for a black president, the minority who weren’t ready REALLY REALLY REALLY weren’t ready, and the backlash may set us back to where we were before him

        Using this logic, it would always be a mistake to elect a black President.

        I’m trying to come up with a period of time in this country where black progress isn’t followed by white backlash. I’m drawing a blank.

        • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

          But we could probably find periods of time where there was a white backlash without any black progress happening beforehand.

          People keep drawing parallels between what’s happening in our country now and the rise of Nazi Germany. The 1930s were a terrible time throughout the world, but it was far worse in Germany.

          Contrast that to the US today. The big economic crisis is that the average worker’s income has stayed stable. No one’s taking wheelbarrows of currency to buy a loaf of bread. Unemployment is as low as it ever gets. Yet these people are alternating between enraged and fearful, and often both, at a white hot level. They’re like kids throwing a temper tantrum because they aren’t getting a pony.

          God help us if we get into a real bad situation in this country (besides what Trump is creating.)

          • Abbey Bartlet

            Contrast that to the US today. The big economic crisis is that the average worker’s income has stayed stable. No one’s taking wheelbarrows of currency to buy a loaf of bread. Unemployment is as low as it ever gets. Yet these people are alternating between enraged and fearful, and often both, at a white hot level. They’re like kids throwing a temper tantrum because they aren’t getting a pony.

            Also, too, I wonder if–and it grosses me out to even think it, but–I wonder if a white guy (yeah, guy) would have gotten more credit for not letting us go into a depression. Lots of those WWC seem to have given Bill Clinton credit for the 90s economy.

            • RepubAnon

              If you got all your news from AM radio, Fox, and the supermarket tabloids, you’d think the country was on the brink of disaster. These same propaganda outlets are now singing The Donald’s praises. They’d trash any non-Republican, and cheer for any Republican, because it’s what they do.

        • CrunchyFrog

          Well, it’s possible to acknowledge that the election of Obama did have that massive backlash and in many ways the reaction made things worse (Trump being the most obvious example) and at the same time assert that it was a necessary event.

          We’ve now seen how openly racist so many people are and how deeply the racism distorted their thinking. They bought into every negative stereotype anyone put out there – remember “President teleprompter”? – we all know blacks can’t give good speeches because they are too stupid, right? Never mind that Obama’s predecessor could barely speak in full sentences, or that St. Reagan was the actual Teleprompter President (literally – he was the first to make heavy use of it and his handlers did everything they could to prevent him making off-the-cuff statements). No, they said that about Obama because he was black. Ditto “Food Stamp President”. Basically they decided that he was every negative black stereotype they have all embodied in one.

          Now that we see that and now that it is in the open we can address it. It really wasn’t all that long ago that lefty writers like Kevin Drum were asserting that true racists were only 2 or 3% of the GOP. Now it would be hard to make the case that non-racists comprise as much as 2-3% of the GOP. GOP voters will gladly die early of lack of health insurance as long as they can be sure that the US military and domestic police are sticking to dark skinned people and uppity feminists everywhere. Once you get that this is what motivates them you can formulate campaigns and policies accordingly. No more wasting time trying to get votes by compromising on abortion or adding means testing to social programs. No more adopting Washington’s ideas of centrist policies thinking you might peel off a few GOP votes. No more voting to approve any right wing judge thinking that you’re building bridges for later.

          • Abbey Bartlet

            It really wasn’t all that long ago that lefty writers like Kevin Drum were asserting that true racists were only 2 or 3% of the GOP. Now it would be hard to make the case that non-racists comprise as much as 2-3% of the GOP. GOP voters will gladly die early of lack of health insurance as long as they can be sure that the US military and domestic police are sticking to dark skinned people and uppity feminists everywhere.

            Of course, certain factions of the ostensible left are still denying it’s about race…

        • Abbey Bartlet

          Using this logic, it would always be a mistake to elect a black President.

          I’m trying to come up with a period of time in this country where black progress isn’t followed by white backlash. I’m drawing a blank.

          You may be right. I just wonder if a few more years would have made a big difference, because demographics. The fewer people who remember when America was Great, the fewer people get mad about the colored boy in the Oval Office. I’m sure some of the nostalgia is from people who don’t remember it, but there are still a whole lot of white people who actually remember when they were allowed to make people like him get off the sidewalk. I don’t know. This backlash is just so, so big. And literally planet-destroying.

    • I too have the privilege of the White male liberal. Racist misogynistic dumb fuck Trumpers will open up their hate valves to me assuming I share their idiocy.

      • Colin Day

        As another white male liberal, I hardly consider that a privilege. Yes, I hear such talk.

        • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

          I third it, though I’m much less rarely around these idiots these days.

  • NewishLawyer

    I’ve said it before. But there seems to be a large contingent of the WWC that have pretty horrible lives but instead of asking “How can we make our lives better via politics?” They ask “How can we drive everyone down to our level of misery via politics?”

    • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

      I’d change that to “below our level of misery” so we can feel superior, even though deep down we know we’re fuckups.

  • Harkov311

    “You all can defeat Trump next time, but not if you keep mocking us, refusing to listen to us, and cutting us out. It’s Republicans, not Democrats, who will take Trump down.”

    The obvious response is: OK, let’s say I’m listening right now. So what do you want? I have a feeling that it’s not so much that we didn’t listen that bugs them, but rather that we did listen, and told them “no thanks.”

    • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

      I’d love to hear what they think they’re “being cut out of” by us all-powerful Democrats.

      Also, strangely, wasn’t Nixon “taken down” mostly by Democrats?

      • Redwood Rhiadra

        I’d love to hear what they think they’re “being cut out of” by us all-powerful Democrats.

        All those sweet, sweet, Black-Only Welfare programs. (The ones that give black people free Cadillacs and let them eat steak and lobster every day.)

  • sibusisodan

    More choice excerpts:

    I find inability to have more subtle discussion very frustrating – things are not white or black, but you can’t talk about grays since the politically correct answer is white.

    I can understand this objection in the abstract. Perfectly reasonable. Voting for Trump because the left aren’t being more nuanced is…odd.

    Based on Trump’s history before politics I don’t believe he is racist, sexist, homophobic, or bigoted.

    …good judgement… Also: not relevant to the people he’s appointed or the policies he’s proposed!

    We have mostly the same goals and different opinions about how to get there. […] But enough with calling all of us the devil for wanting to try Trump. I hate Hillary and think she wants to destroy the country of us, but I don’t demonize her supporters.[emphasis mine]

    I love how the bold parts self refute and the italic parts self refute all in one sentence.

    • That was one of my favorite quotes too and I don’t know why I forgot to put it in the entry.

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  • patrick II

    “Brown people are always the out-crowd. I think subconsciously, part of the reason I supported him was a way to be in the in-crowd for once.”

    Translation: “I was willing to shit on other marginalized people so I could feel like part of the cool crowd.”

    I think this is why there are so many (embarrassing to me) racist Irish assholes (O’Reilly, Buchanan, Ryan, sadly I could go on). After about a thousand years of functional slavery by the British, they finally get to be the cool kids who can condescend to others and feel that they are fellow members of the cool white kids British crowd.

    • e.a.foster

      and for many that was the reason they voted for Trump. at some level he validated them. He paid attention to them. they got to be cool. they got to go to a stadium and sit behind him. they finally got to go to the party to have a look and then were sent back to where the uncool people went. they will never get to drink the really good wine or wear the silk, but the put some on in office who does and at some level that is all they aspire to.

  • “I think our nation needs Trumpism to survive long-term, and to me, that supersedes almost every other reservation I have. My issue is with Trump himself — I think he’s the wrong vessel for his movement, but he’s all we’ve got, so I’m behind him.”

    Okaaaay.

  • Docrailgun

    This should be tattooed backwards on the foreheads of everyone who did this, so they have to rwad it again and again when they look at themselves in the mirror.

    I just want to thank every media outlet, every activist and every pundit who made sure to hammer home how flawed Hillary was. How there was a “cloud” over her. Who implied that she was hugely corrupt. Who implied that her flaws were in any way commensurate to Donald’s. You did a great job.

  • e.a.foster

    Read the blog post and just couldn’t stop laughing. For a nation which has produced so much exceptionalism, if that is a word, to have voted Trump into office is just funny. Is it something in the water, was there some sort of genetic malfunction in the American population. who knows what happened, but one thing is sure, those mostly angry white people who voted for Trump are going to end up poorer, sicker, less educated in a country which has the potential of becoming a social pariah. And they still think Trump is the answer to their problems. Oh, well. If there is an international incident the American government won’t even know how to respond. We can only hope there will be a revolt of the Generals who will know how to deal with the issues, because the President and the incompetents at government he surrounds himself with aren’t going to.

    if it weren’t so sad, it really would continue to be funny, but a nation who voted into office a president who wants to take away health care from its citizens and food from the young and/or the elderly is not a good human being.

    As to the compulsory pregnancy people, they only care about the fetus. they don’t care about the human which is born and it can starve to death, do without a decent education, live on the streets, go without healthcare because when the human dies it goes to heaven. how very lovely and stupid, but such is the American population.

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