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Bernie Sanders’s Neoliberal Manifesto

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Today, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders gave a speech in which he endorsed the following tenets of neoliberalism:

  • Hillary Clinton, while to the right of Bernie Sanders, is infinitely and consequentially preferable to Donald Trump.
  • Having someone who accepts climate science and who will ensure that Barack Obama’s aggressive clean air regulations are implemented, rather than a climate science denier who will dismantle them (and appoint Supreme Court justices who will limit the regulatory authority of the EPA) is extremely important.
  • Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee for president because she received more votes in the Democratic primaries.
  • It is important to have a president, like Hillary Clinton, who thinks that the Affordable Care Act should be expanded rather than one, like Donald Trump, who would sign whatever legislation Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell pass that undermines or destroys the ACA put on his desk.
  • Having Hillary Clinton rather than Donald Trump fill Supreme Court vacancies is very important for a broad range of issues.
  • “I am happy to tell you that at the Democratic Platform Committee which ended Sunday night in Orlando, there was a significant coming together between the two campaigns and we produced, by far, the most progressive platform in the history of the Democratic Party.”

For shame! But there is an explanation:

Alas, who forced him and how remains unspecified, but my guess is Debbie Wasserman-Schultz in the observatory with a candlestick.

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  • It’s true — Hillary Clinton is exactly like Kim Jong Un.

    • SamInMpls

      Nah. In terms of graphic design her campaign lags far behind Juche. Some of it is straight up Romney shit.

    • efgoldman

      Hillary Clinton is exactly like Kim Jong Un.

      She wears better clothes and has a better hair stylist.

      Seriously, good on ya’ Bernie. I wasn’t sure you had it in you. I’m glad to be wrong.

      And speaking of wrong: except for the fact that he’s almost unknown, HAHA is veering awfully close to Bill Kristol levels of self-parody and self-immolation.

      • Manny Kant

        HA Goodman makes Bill Kristol look like Paul Krugman.

        • Mrs Tilton

          HA Goodman makes Louie Gohmert look like Stephen Hawking after Hawking has been transformed by the Monolith.

        • los

          Cherry-Picked HA Goodman makes Bill Kristol look like Paul Krugman.
          “FTFYYW”
          Of course, this site also cherry-picks Kristol. Kristol is easy pickings, but some of Kristol’s stated minor opinions, that I’ve seen so far, aren’t loony.

          • When the cherry pickings are not cherries or even fruit at all but instead toxic droppings from a strychnined rat, you don’t really need to try the rest of the bowl to know it’s not worth eating.

            I think George Bernard Shaw said that.

            • (((Hogan)))

              Pretty sure it was Churchill. Or Mark Twain.

              • jim, some guy in iowa

                sounds kinda Mickey Spillane to me

                • tsam

                  LOL. It was Plato you knuckleheads

                • N__B

                  Plato

                  Mickey Mouses’s dog said that?

                • tsam

                  The very one, yes. Or wait. Do I have him confused with Goofy? Is Goofy a dog?

                • N__B

                  Is Goofy a dog?

                  I’m not sure. But Betty Boop – who started out as a dog, and whose hoop earrings are a visual remnant of her dog ears – had a dog boyfriend named Bimbo.

      • That’s a disguise. Ever see them together?

    • los

      Clinton may also be in better health at much older age.
      A cautionary tip to Republicans (who won’t see the tip): Top dogs under their own extreme authoritarianism don’t live as well as third tier dogs under lesser authoritarianism.

      • so-in-so

        Republicans reverse Milton: They’d rather server in hell than rule in heaven (if they have to share it with THOSE people)!

  • Murc

    Alas, who forced him and how remains unspecified,

    You don’t know how deep this conspiracy is, Scott.

    Hillary Clinton has millions and millions of people in her pocket, supporting her from the shadows. They spent months, months I tell you, manipulating the machinery of the Democratic Party to ensure that she, and not Bernie Sanders, would receive the nomination. Even the MSM covered it! There were all sorts of photographs and video of her crowds of lackeys swarming polling places, completely dominating the virtuous Sanders supporters by nothing more than sheer weight of numbers.

    In the end, these perfidious hordes forced Sanders to endorse Clinton.

    It was sickening. Her support goes all the way to the bottom, and I for one won’t stand for it.

    • DrDick

      Obviously, reality held a gun to Sanders’ head and forced him to admit the obvious, that while she is far from ideal Clinton is infinitely better than any conceivable Republican on every issue. Now we can only hope that reality mugs Goodman in an alley and leaves him for dead.

      • Ken

        Sure thing, boss – wait a minute, you mean that metaphorically, right?

        • David Hunt

          I’m certain he did. There’s a well established precedent here that calls for death are metaphorical…unless they call for someone’s head on a stick. All such statements are obviously literal calls for someone’s death by decapitation followed by the desecration of displaying the head in public. Only an deliberately obtuse reader could possibly see such a statement as anything else.

          (I kid, Erik).

          • rachelmap

            Well, where I come from, the best revenge is your enemy’s head in a shopping bag.
            ~M. Vorkosigan

        • los

          metaphorically. and the metaphorical we metaphorically thank metaphorical you for your metaphorical service. your metaphorical check is metaphorically in the metaphorical mail.

          Metaphorically Best Wishes,
          The Metaphorical Management

      • los

        reality held a gun to Sanders’ head
        Reality has a Draco Bias11! Jade Helmghazi!!

    • That’s why they call it a “secret” ballot. What better place to conduct a conspiracy away from H.A.’s prying eyes?

    • Memphis Jay

      Now we have our answer as to why Bill met with Loretta Lynch. #11thDemensionalChess

    • Pat

      Love it!

    • Judas Peckerwood

      Alas, who forced him and how remains unspecified

      Actually, he identified the culprit with his morse code eye-blinks during his “endorsement” speech.

      Go back and decode it yourselves, ya lazy bastards.

      • MyNameIsZweig

        Is it the Lizard People? The Reverse Vampires? The RAND Corporation???

  • CrunchyFrog

    All of those worries about Sanders undermining the Clinton campaign can now be laid to rest. I don’t get a lot of political predictions right so I’ll toot my horn on this one. First they go through the platform and make a lot of changes in Sanders’ direction (they still have to fix TPP, though – and I’m hoping that the plan is for a floor vote at the convention that has the side effect of making the Sanders and Clinton delegates feel united on a key issue). Then he gives her a ringing endorsement today and says he’ll do all he can to get her elected. The delay did not hurt anything. The optics are excellent.

    Jill Stein can go back to fantasizing about how electing Trump is better for the planet in the long (long, long, long, long) run.

    • DrDick

      All of which was pretty obvious to those of us not suffering from Clinton Derangement Syndrome. Hopefully the Clinton supporters can also quit trashing Sanders and his supporters.

      • marduk

        Not if the thread over on KDrum’s site is any indication. The grievances must be aired, the Sander’s supporters insulted, and the groundwork for Dolchstoßlegende must be laid. Hillary, you see, would be crushing Trump right now if not for perfidious Bernie.

        To be fair most posters are taking this well. It’s the consistent trolls that are really acting out today.

        ETA- ugh, should have read further down here as well. Hopefully this is the last gasp of hippie punching from the Clinton troll army.

        • the Clinton troll army.

          Hilarious.

          • The Temporary Name

            They could have been turned back if only the elves and dwarves had united.

        • JL

          It seems only fair, given that I’ve made similar points about Sanders supporters, to point out that trolls in KDrum’s comments are not representative of anything (as you said, most people are taking it fine and the problem ones are a consistent group of loud people).

          • marduk

            Oh, absolutely.

    • Alex.S

      There’s no chance of that happening with Obama firmly committed to trying to move the TPP forward.

    • Murc

      All of those worries about Sanders undermining the Clinton campaign can now be laid to rest. I don’t get a lot of political predictions right so I’ll toot my horn on this one.

      I should’ve made my bet with ajay “before the convention” rather than “six weeks.” Fuckup on my part.

      • Linnaeus

        You won the bet in spirit.

        • Murc

          Spirit and fifty bucks will get me a very nice form letter from HALO Trust!

          • Linnaeus

            I know, I know. But your point was still demonstrated.

      • Jackov

        When I speculated the Sanders’ endorsement would come in the lead up to the convention, you stated you preferred more impactful timing over winning your bet so you sorta won
        though you are out some cash. Plus some poor and middle class kids might get to go to StateU for free.

        ‘Unity week’ followed by ‘VP week’ is an excellent lead up to the convention (especially if the veep pick continues Clinton’s string of excellent decisions.)

    • brad

      Well, maybe Stein feels that the planet is better off without humans or most multi-cellular lifeforms and just wants to help usher in the extinction. Vote for Trump or Stein and help humanity commit suicide, 2016!

      • so-in-so

        The meteor with the twitter feed already has that constituency, so Stein is still irrelevant.

        • Ken

          Wait, there’s a meteor with a twitter feed? You almost – almost – make me want to start twitting.

    • LosGatosCA

      Jill Stein can go back to fantasizing about how electing Trump is better for the planet in the long (long, long, long, long) run.

      Never, will never work for Jill?

    • guthrie

      The only way electing Trump is better for the planet is if you are taking a holistic viewpoint and therefore see the planet itself and everything else on it as being better off if humanity wipes itself out.

      • los

        humanity wipes itself out
        “Hillary must let Cruz have nukes!”

    • bender

      The way to deal with TPP seems obvious to me, so I must be missing something. Don’t mention it by name, but write a platform plank about trade deals the US should make in the future, that the terms of such deals must include protection of labor, protection of the environment, and disincentives or offsets for offshoring.

      That gives Democrats something to rally around, rather than be divided over.

      • CrunchyFrog

        Actually, the proposed change is very simple and specific and easy to support – don’t approve it during the lame duck session. Even if you support TPP you can agree that this makes sense as a matter of principle.

        • bender

          The principle being that the next Prez gets to decide whether to go forward with it? How is this different from Supreme Court nominations?

          • CrunchyFrog

            Well, if you’re referring to the GOP not holding hearings on the SCOTUS nominee starting in April, very different. In the lame duck session an election will have been held in which this (TPP, and trade agreements in general) was an issue. In fact, both major candidates (and probably all minor ones) will have come out against it. For the lame duck Congress and President to wait until after the election and then approve a treaty that is clearly unpopular – so unpopular that the majority of candidates for all open federal positions opposed it – is the antithesis of democracy.

            If the TPP proponents think it’s so great let them bring it up for a vote after the newly elected folks have been seated only 2 months later – hardly an undue burden, since they’ve been putting off bringing it up for a vote all year.

    • Dilan Esper

      A fair number of us were right here. I wonder if any of the more diehard Hillarybots will admit they were wrong.

      I suspect they won’t- indeed this issue is no more over for them than it was when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. If Hillary loses to Trump (very unlikely of course), we will start hearing again how Sanders hurt her by not endorsing early and forcing her to adopt left wing positions.

      • sharculese

        That’s because it’s not over. He’s spent the last month behaving like a sullen toddler.

        I’m glad he’s learning to behave like a grown-up, and I always expected he would, but I’m not planning on forgetting the month he spent acting like a child.

        • jim, some guy in iowa

          let. it. go

          • sharculese

            Quite frankly, I’m not going to. I’m glad to have him back in the fold, but he’s earned my suspicion, and that’s gonna take time to alleviate.

            • jim, some guy in iowa

              yeah, never mind. I can see it’s too soon for quite a few people

        • This isn’t quite accurate.

          His behavior improved a lot after CA and esp. the meeting with Obama. You can argue whether he could have done as well or better by endorsing earlier (my view), but he did rather well and has been reasonable for several weeks and his endorsement was fantastic.

          • Gee Suss

            I’ll fess up: I was Bernie-curious, then threw my lot in with Clinton (such as it is). I thought Bernie arguing about process details was a bad sign. I thought there was a 30-40% chance he’d push into a contested convention and, if he felt wronged, he’d take his ball and go home. I can now see that was uncharitable of me; to be fair I wasn’t writing all over the Internet about it. This was a good speech (although the beginning made me nervous). I believe he’ll be a powerful voice at the convention and the campaign trail.

            • Dilan Esper

              The key point is there was nothing wrong with Sanders using his endorsement as leverage for some policy concessions, especially when he made it clear that he utimately would support the ticket.

              A lot of HRC supporters got really angry and apocalyptic at what pretty clearly was a standard, legitimate political action.

              • The other key point is that there’s nothing wrong with wanting him to concede sooner and being pissed at him for not doing so, esp. when he also made noises about convention shenanigans.

                I mean, this is all super normal stuff.

                “A lot”…sure.

              • sharculese

                I straight up said I expected him to eventual endorse him. I also think he was a dick about it. The two are completely compatible opinions.

                • ExpatChad

                  He is simply a 70 yo adolescent…predictable and obnoxious.

  • I’ve said this many times: if you want Hillary to govern from the left, then flip the Senate and expand the progressive coalition in the House. Bernie is doing what he needs to do to make that happen.

    • Eli Rabett

      Nope. He is doing about next to nothing to help many other Dem candidates.

    • sharonT

      Let’s amend this to flip the Senate with liberals. Of course, that’s definitely not going to happen because Human Puss Bucket, Chuck Schumer hates liberals.

      You’re never going to get progressive legislation through a Senate with pols like the new recruit from Indiana.

      • Morse Code for J

        Evan Bayh voted for the Affordable Care Act. He also voted to confirm Sotomayor and Kagan.

        • Craigo

          And to end DADT, and for Lily Ledbetter, and to extend unemployment insurance at the trough of the recession, and against the Mexico City Rule…

      • djw

        Is there any other realistic possibility for getting a Democrat elected this year in Indiana? Until the politics of the country change, we’re not going to get a majority, let alone a supermajority, without some less than optimal senators from red states. It’s entirely possible he could be the vote that puts a liberal in Scalia’s seat.

        • jim, some guy in iowa

          this is something that always nags at me when Scott talks about how more ideologically cohesive and leftward the Democratic party is now- because those things came at the cost of lost seats in Congress. And people talk about the “50 State Strategy” as though it would automatically result in flaming liberals being swept to victory. It won’t- there’s going to be more McCaskills, Bayhs, even Liebermans too- if it worked

          • Craigo

            Scott is right. The median Democratic Senator and Representative (a measure which discounts outliers) are to the left of where they were in 2009, or 2001, or 1993.

            And McCaskills, Nelsons, and even Liebermans are much further left than Akins, Sasses, or McMahons.

            • jim, some guy in iowa

              I didn’t say he was wrong. I said that came at the expense of majorities in Congress- and the loss of state governorships and legislatures though. Now maybe between Trump, the farther left Democratic party and the great upcoming demographic shift we’re going to get to some kind of liberal paradise that won’t have to contend with the descendants of the Blue Dogs but color me skeptical

            • dr. fancypants

              The median Democratic Senator and Representative (a measure which discounts outliers) are to the left of where they were in 2009, or 2001, or 1993.

              But one way for the median Democratic Senator/Representative to move left is for a bunch of the most conservative Democrats to be replaced by Republicans. I’m too lazy to do the analysis, but I suspect some of the leftward shift in the median can be explained by the fact that many of the seats we lost when the Republicans took over were exactly those more conservative seats.

        • Craigo

          Zombie Eugene Debs.

  • Brownian

    But, he was forced to do so.

    I guess the Shield of Purity™ that allows him to pursue his agenda free from the need to compromise with corrupted, tainted mortal politicians only functions when he’s president.

  • Ben Murphy

    He is the very model of a modern Neoliberal….

    • John Revolta

      I tried to write another line but nothing rhymes with liberal………..

      • (((Hogan)))

        If this fibber won’t support him then some other fibber’ll.

        • ScottRS

          or else you’ll have to think up one with only one more syllable…

      • John Revolta

        Although I have expended mental effort quite considerable
        And wracked my brain, I still maintain that nothing rhymes with liberal!

        • muddy

          Terrible?

        • Gareth

          “That every boy and every gal
          That’s born into the world alive
          Is either a little Liberal
          Or else a little Conservative!”

          • rachelmap

            When all night long, a man remains
            on watch –to chase monotony
            He exercises of his brains
            –that is assuming that he’s got any.

            • (((Hogan)))

              I’VE tried it, and can only say
              I’m sure you couldn’t do it, e-
              ven if you practised night and day,
              Unless you have a turn that way,
              And natural ingenuity.

  • Steve LaBonne

    Gee, now fans of ineffectual left politicians will have to make do with just Corbyn. Granted, he’s ineffectual enough to make two ordinary ineffectual politicians.

    • You forgot Jill Stein!

      Corbyn is *much* more effectual (at…breaking the party, at the very least).

      • Murc

        Corbyn at least got himself elected to Parliament and won a leadership election. Stein’s political resume tops out at, what, town council or something like that?

        In fairness she’d probably make a pretty good Congressional candidate if she could lower herself to become a Democrat, but that would require selling out.

        • NonyNony

          She’d be a terrible Congressional candidate from what I can tell. Even if she became a Democrat she seems like the type that would spend more of their time positioning themselves against the party rather than fighting common enemies – like a lefty version of Joe Lieberman.

          • DAS

            There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between lefties who say “there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the Republicans and the Democrats” and sensible sentrists who say “both sides are equally bad”. Both groups are equally wankerific.

            So yep. A Purity Politician like Stein would be very much like Lieberman, who had his own “purity” obsessions, FWIW.

        • Jeff R.

          Stein’s political resume tops out at, what, town council or something like that?

          Lexington has a representative town meeting. She’s one of 198 members for a town with a population of around 30,000.

          • JMP

            Really? That that seems completely fucking insane. Hell, my home city has a city council of 17 members for a population of 1.5 million. Why would you design a government like that?

            • William Berry

              The key word might be: “representative”.

            • Pseudonym

              No kidding. That kind of government must make it next to impossible for town meetings to end in concord.

              • Craigo

                Boooo

            • N__B

              Why would you design a government like that?

              That’s clear evidence of evolution, not intelligent design.

              • Jeff R.

                Right. The representative town meeting evolved from the famed exercise in direct democracy, the New England townmeeting, where all registered voters can attend. In Massachusetts, towns with more than 6000 residents can opt for a representative town meeting. Although the trend seems to be for towns to become towns in name only and have a mayor/council government. The town meeting (open or representative) typically meet once a year and do things like approve the budget or amend the town by-laws. The day to day governance is done by a board of selectmen with 3 to 7 members.

                In my experience with town meetings, direct democracy is vastly overrated.

        • But she’s a doctor!

          • TroubleMaker13

            And something tells me she’s the kind of “doctor” who prescribes gluten-free diets and coffee enemas and homeopathic liver cleanses.

            • Murc

              This is deeply unfair to Jill Stein; whatever her other faults she was and is a deeply accomplished internist, much as Ben Carson was and is a deeply accomplished neurosurgeon.

              The fact that someone is politically nutty doesn’t mean they can’t actually be highly skilled at their non-political vocations.

              • TroubleMaker13

                Fair enough, I guess that was kind of a cheap shot. Admittedly I don’t know much about her medical practice. Didn’t she tweet out an anti-vaxx-curious dogwhistle a week or so ago?

              • Colin Day

                Jill Stein and homeopathy:

                Is this unfair?

                For homeopathy, just because something is untested doesn’t mean it’s safe. By the same token, being “tested” and “reviewed” by agencies tied to big pharma and the chemical industry is also problematic. There’s a lot of snake-oil in this system. We need research and licensing boards that are protected from conflicts of interest. They should not be limited by arbitrary definitions of what is “natural” or not.

                • The Temporary Name

                  I am always surprised at the number of medical professionals who give that shit attention.

                • brugroffil

                  just beat me to it, well done

                • She’s terrible on homeopathy and vaccination:

                  I don’t know if we have an “official” stance, but I can tell you my personal stance at this point. According to the most recent review of vaccination policies across the globe, mandatory vaccination that doesn’t allow for medical exemptions is practically unheard of. In most countries, people trust their regulatory agencies and have very high rates of vaccination through voluntary programs. In the US, however, regulatory agencies are routinely packed with corporate lobbyists and CEOs. So the foxes are guarding the chicken coop as usual in the US. So who wouldn’t be skeptical? I think dropping vaccinations rates that can and must be fixed in order to get at the vaccination issue: the widespread distrust of the medical-indsutrial complex.

                  It looks like France and Italy have some mandatory vaccinations.

                  But the scare mongering about vaccinations in the US is just ridiculous.

                • Gareth

                  I’ve seen that before, and she’s obviously avoiding the question. I’ll bet she’s fully aware of exactly why homeopathy doesn’t work. She just can’t offend the nuts who believe in it. It would be interesting to ask her directly about the theory behind homeopathy. “Can a drug diluted to one part in a trillion have any effect on a patient?”

                • It would be more than ordinarily immoral for a doctor, even one running for office, to offer damaging medical “advice” or opinions on something like homeopathy or vaccines if they didn’t believe it to be true. Its pretty bad if they do believe it to be true, against all evidence and reason. But its horrible if they don’t believe it–especially because the anti-vaxxers and the homeopathic remedy people are extremely likely to cherry pick who they listen to, and why, and find the mix of “green party candidate and doctor” to be too heady to ignore.

        • djw

          Corbyn at least got himself elected to Parliament and won a leadership election.

          But of course this creates opportunities to be ineffectual (which he seems to be seizing) well beyond anything Stein could ever hope for.

    • DAS

      While I am not 100% in agreement with Clinton and had my issues with the Sanders campaign, I am so glad I am a USian who got a choice between Clinton and Sanders for leadership in my left-of-center party rather than being a Brit stuck with a choice between Corbyn and some or other Blairite. At least we had two decent choices vs. no decent choices.

      • Is Owen Smith so bad?

        Eagle seems to me to be a bit HRCy. I can live with that.

        • DAS

          I guess since Smith is running and Eagle isn’t a completely unreconstructed Blairite, I wouldn’t 100% mind being a Brit this round, although I don’t know if I know enough about Smith or Eagle to really be sure about that.

          But that last Labour party leadership election? Hoo boy …

          • Smith probably won’t run.

            • Craigo

              Tom Watson is going to have sit down with Eagle and Smith and decide who it’s going to be. Although it’s worth mentioning that the process is technically multi-round.

          • EliHawk

            I mean, Blair hasn’t been in power for a decade and the ‘Blairite’ got like 4% of the vote last year. Eagle and Smith are both part of the broad soft left of the party, which ranges from the Brownites to the Ed Milibandites. Decrying everyone to the right of Dianne Abbot as a ‘Blairite’ is one way Labour got into this mess. In general, Labour needs desperately to move forward in its debates between these godawful stupid labels, but it’s easier to get the Labour activist left up for its two minutes hate vs. the Grinning War Criminal from Sedgefield.

            • (((Hogan)))

              I mean, Blair hasn’t been in power for a decade

              Two words: DLC.

              • los

                Two words: DLC.
                Dinero LaundoCracy?

                • N__B

                  Dilithium crystals.

  • grouchomarxist

    So, Aimai, are you going to pay up, now that you’ve lost your bet?

    • If you’re referring to our bet, he needs to go on the trail for her. He’s not quite there yet.

      • N__B

        Who wins if he goes on the Appalachian Trail, metaphorically speaking?

      • grouchomarxist

        Then I’d like her to tell us what she would regard as sufficient support from Sanders for Aimai to concede she’s lost her bet. “On the trail” is a pretty nebulous concept.

        • I can only tell you what I’d claim. If he makes 3 or more clearly surrogate (i.e., says, “vote for hillary! hillary is the one to vote for”) in the next month, I think it’ll be done.

          But I’m happy with whatever ;)

          • Bijan, you can click on the link at my name and check out my blog, send me an email at aimaiami at comcast dot net and I will figure out how to give you the keys to the kingdom.

            • I’ll wait until there’s an actual winning of the bet ;)

              Thanks though!

        • Oh my stars and garters! My apologies to Bernie and his voters that I had the temerity to be interviewing for my internship rather than leaping onto the internet to praise Bernie for merely doing what was expected of any losing candidate in a primary!

          But as for my bet with Bijan, it actually involved actively campaigning for her. If Bernie does that to Bijan’s satisfaction, and even if he doesn’t, Bijan is more than welcome to come over and post for a day at my blog. No doubt the walls of the world will tremble and many Hillbots, Shuvs, and Zuuls will know what it is to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

          • so-in-so

            Hope it works out better than Scott’s bet did here…

            Well, Bijan, so I guess no worries.

            • Right–I’m no fool! I knew I could trust Bijan! Or perhaps I knew that I have so few readers that it scarcely matters!

          • grouchomarxist

            I didn’t ask for an apology, just that you’d concede you were wrong about Sanders not endorsing Clinton. And considering he went out of his way in the linked speech to say “I intend to do everything I can to make certain she will be the next president of the United States” not once but twice, I think he’ll be as good as his word on that part of your demand, too.

            What surprises me is that you still feel this need to be so damned snotty in your reply.

            • (((Hogan)))

              Since you weren’t a party to the bet, it was kind of a snotty question.

            • I don’t understand this weird fixation on me “being wrong”–obviously if I made the bet there was an implicit assumption that I could be wrong in my subjective reading of Sanders and his intentions. That’s embedded in my offering to bet Bijan for the not very valuable slot of poster on my blog–I didn’t offer my first born child.

              So what? To whom am I being snotty? I made a little gentle fun of you for leaping to criticize me as some kind of sore loser because I happened not to be online during this thread–But as for the bet–I’m not a sore loser! I lost a bet and I am happy to have Bijan post on my blog. If Bernie had been as gracious as I am about it I would never have criticized him at all. I thought Bernie behaved like a shit, and not like a mensch, because he didn’t concede and endorse right when he lost the primary. I’m entitled to that opinion I haven’t changed my mind. I’m pleasantly surprised that he came to his senses and behaved LIKE ANY OTHER LOSER IN A PRIMARY and gave a good speech. And I’m sure it was a good speech. I don’t even care if he campaigns for her or not. Bijan can post at my blog whatever he wants. Why isn’t that good enough for you?

              • Yes, why does anyone else care?

                For me, the purpose of the bet wasn’t “OMG AIMAI IS WRONG!!!” but just a bit of fun. Please, grouchomarxist, don’t make it less fun.

                Plus, IIRC, I’ve not won. He has to campaign, not just endorse. I think he will.

                • Pseudonym

                  What, are we not allowed to look forward to your blog posts?

              • grouchomarxist

                So, as a witness to the bet, I have no right to ask whether Aimai considered it won or lost? After I posed the question, Bijan reminded me there were two parts to the bet, and since the second requirement was a bit vague, I thought some clarification might be in order.

                I fully expected Aimai to reply when she got a chance — surprisingly, I do believe we have lives outside of these comment threads. If she or any of you are drawing the inference that I was ragging her for not instantly leaping to the keyboard to beg Bernie’s forgiveness, that’s your problem. It was sure as hell never my intention.

                But c’mon, taking a simple question and interpreting it as some kind of demand on my part (as an apparent surrogate for the Berniebros, even though I’ve rigorously avoided getting involved in these primary dogfights) that she abase herself and beg our forgiveness and praise Sanders to the heavens is so over-the-top it makes me think there’s more than a bit of anger and resentment behind it.

                I promise I won’t bring it up again. God, I am so glad the primary season is over.

                • Well, look, its a bit insulting to assume that I would ever welsh (apologies to the welsh) on a bet. Naturally, if Bijan wins, he gets to post. It would never have occured to me to refuse to “pay up.” And I think that is why you are getting some pushback.

                • Yeah, I mean, it never occurred to me that Aimai wouldn’t pony up….or that I’d care if she changed her mind anyway!

                  Given that you misremembered the terms of the bet, I hope you can see why it’d be a bit annoying to Aimai.

                  It’s just some fun!

                  (Or WAS IT?!??!??!)

                • The Temporary Name

                  (Or WAS IT?!??!??!)

                  I say we ask the teary-eyed Welshman.

                  (Use “welch” instead!)

                • (Use “welch” instead!)

                  What do you have against grape juice!!!! EHHHHH!!!!

                • ForkyMcSpoon

                  But “welch” is just a mispronunciation of “Welsh”.

                • The Temporary Name

                  A convenient one!

                  I dunno if anyone’s really tracked down the etymology well.

                • (((Hogan)))

                  So, as a witness to the bet, I have no right to ask whether Aimai considered it won or lost?

                  What you asked:

                  So, Aimai, are you going to pay up, now that you’ve lost your bet?

                • (((Hogan)))

                  (apologies to the welsh)

                  We really need another word for that . . .

                  I know! “Gyp”!

                • grouchomarxist

                  You guys are right: I could have phrased that a bit more diplomatically. Mea culpa. I apologize, Aimai, for having come across as implying you would try to weasel out of the bet.

                  I thought the accusation which inspired the bet — that Sanders would just pick up his marbles and go home if he lost — was unjustified, that’s all. It surprised and, yes, annoyed me at the time. It implied a level of pettiness and egotism on the part of the candidate that seemed to come from way out in left field.

                  I mean, infinitely preferable as it will be to having Trump in the Oval Office, I still have deep misgivings about a Clinton presidency. Yet it would never have occurred to me to predict she would do such a thing if she didn’t get the nomination. If I seriously thought Sanders was capable of such behavior, I wouldn’t have voted for the guy.

                  So yeah, I did want to hear you admit you were mistaken, and I don’t apologize for that. If I’d made such a public bet, by way of running down somebody else’s preferred candidate, and it wasn’t turning out the way I predicted, I don’t see how I could honestly resent someone pointing that out. (Which, you understand, is not the same as saying it wouldn’t annoy me to be wrong. That’s just human nature.)

                  If you want to wait until he’s also done some stumping for her to concede the point, fine. I’m confident he will, and if he doesn’t then I’ll freely admit I was wrong.

                • Snuff curry

                  If you want to wait until he’s also done some stumping for her to concede the point, fine. I’m confident he will, and if he doesn’t then I’ll freely admit I was wrong.

                  That’s very generous of you, considering the bet was exactly about that–stumping. As for her conceding any point to you personally, piss off. No one cares whether you’re wrong or not and no one is breathlessly awaiting admissions of error from you.

                  I thought the accusation which inspired the bet — that Sanders would just pick up his marbles and go home if he lost — was unjustified, that’s all.

                  Again, nobody cares about your hurt feelings on behalf of Sanders. And, again, you’re misrepresenting the substance of the bet. As has been repeated about half a dozen times, nobody’s won or lost it yet because Sanders hasn’t been given the opportunity to do the stumping. So you can take your built-up grievances against Aimai and go back to pounding sand and otherwise pouting silently.

          • brugroffil

            Ouch.

          • many Hillbots, Shuvs, and Zuuls will know what it is to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

            Beautiful.

          • N__B

            Internship?

            • I’m beginning my MSW in the fall and today I went and interviewed for the internship/practicum part. I am really excited–they offered me the chance to work in the local public school, in a highly diverse k-6 with a large number of somali, ethiopian, and syrian refugees, as the social worker trainee and support person. I will take two days of classes and work two days all of next year. I may also be able to keep up my volunteer gig working with new parents in a neighboring town.

              • N__B

                Cool.

  • Tom in BK

    Surprisingly gracious and strong endorsement of Clinton. I was a bit worried at the beginning when he was talking up his primary victories, but quite happy with the way it turned out.

    • Gee Suss

      I’d like to see how the BoBs take it. I guess HAHA is one way to measure the temperature, but I wonder how the rest of them will take it. I found it unequivocal, but you never know what parts people will focus on.

      • jim, some guy in iowa

        my guess is that a fairly decent number of them will shake up the etch-a-sketch and start promoting Gary Johnson

        • Given that Goodman was a Rand Paul supporter first, I bet he will be leading that charge.

          • rjayp

            He was? Well, that’s 3 strikes against him right there.

            • Joseph Slater

              While I agree with your evaluation of Paul, Goodman hit 3 strikes about 187 strikes ago.

          • STH

            HA’s Twitter account is currently all RAH RAH JILL STEIN.

        • Gee Suss

          I’m sure that will be a faction, but I meant more along the lines of people pouring over his speech for signals that this isn’t a “real” endorsement, that they aren’t convinced, etc. HA will endorse GJ, I’m sure.

          Somewhat tangentially, I’m wondering exactly when David Brooks will endorse Trump.

          • John not McCain

            He will vote for Donald Trump. He will support Donald Trump. But he will never, ever endorse Donald Trump. What kind of a man do you take David Brooks for?

            • Gee Suss

              I think Bobo will endorse (like efgoldman says, with regret). In fact I think we need to make bingo cards for phrases that Bobo will use in his endorsement column.

              • N__B

                “With a heavy heart” and/or “with trepidation.”

        • twbb

          “We need a president who is willing to increase social spending and regulate business to protect human welfare! Failing that, we need a president who wants to cut all social spending and not regulate businesses at all!”

          • efgoldman

            But he’d write it oh, so regretfully.

          • JMP

            But they’re against the system, dude, and both have penises, that’s what’s important.

        • Matty

          Seen it at least once on the ol’ facebooks already. And at least one person saying he was going to write in Atticus Finch. About as one would expect.

          • The original Atticus Finch or the new racist reboot?

      • Incontinentia Buttocks

        The important thing is that the BoBs are a tiny group and always were. And the vast majority of the ones I’ve encountered online are people who always vote third party or sit out presidential races. Bernie Sanders has never been the candidate of their fantasies. It would be nice if Sanders convinces some of them that holding their noses and voting for Clinton is the right thing to do. But these are not voters who were otherwise in play for any mainstream Democratic presidential candidate.

      • Redwood Rhiadra

        Every single one of them on my Facebook feed – and that’s about a third of my feed – said “I’m still not voting for her”. Though mostly much more viciously than that.

  • Even a dictator needs to build coalitions to get something done, or he pretty soon finds himself to be a dead dictator.

  • Spiny

    Alternative Goodman: Bernie Sanders was apparently taken hostage with ease by the neoliberal Democratic establishment. I totally still want him to be President, though, because that would be a blow against the neoliberal Democratic establishment.

    • Pat

      Alternative Goodman: I’m so much against the neoliberal Democratic establishment that I’m a Republican.

    • petesh

      I am so glad Scott included that twit. I’ve been very concerned about HA’s reaction. Clearly he’s as well as ever.

  • So what’s the Vegas odds for how quickly HAHA signs on to work for Fox, Breitbart, or WND? And will this cause a bidding war to see who gets Mr. 30%?

    • brad

      He’s not a physically attractive woman, a member of a minority group using dogwhistles to justify racism against that group, or someone whose name the average 70 year old Fox viewer will recognize, so it’s unlikely. Maybe he’ll get published by the Daily Caller or Breitbart, at best.

      • Amanda in the South Bay

        Maybe he can join Boners at Status451? Those alt rightists love their leftier than thou lefties.

      • CrunchyFrog

        Honestly I haven’t watched cable “news” for very long except snippets in airports, but don’t they have a role for the Pat Caddels and Lanny Davises and Colmes who pretend to be Democrats but really aren’t?

        Caddel was the one that really got me – and I think it was MSGOP that had him on back when I watched. “Former Democratic Pollster” … but if you dug you found out he did a few polls for Jimmy Carter in 1976 and has been hard right for a very very long time. But he knew his role was to be the pretend Democrat and he played it well – never offering a good Democratic argument and often criticizing “my own party”.

      • Aexia

        Fox News already has their token goony looking “Sanders supporter” who now supports Trump. HAHA’s support for Stein isn’t going to get him anywhere.

        • los

          Fox News already has their token goony looking “Sanders supporter” who now supports Trump.
          for foxnews watchers eyes only, so not much use.

  • Todd

    Trump immediately attacking Sanders as a sellout on Twitter. His 11-dimensional chess game to win over former Sanders voters continues unimpeded. He may end up finishing third in a two person race.

    • Trump plays 11 dimensional three card monty

      • Perfect! But I think it might be more like 11 dimensional tiddly winks.

        • Colin Day

          I suspect that 3-dimensional tiddly winks would perplex Trump.

        • I was going to write tiddly winks but at the last second switched to 3-card monty.

    • dmsilev

      Trump is an expert at 1-dimensional chess.

    • tsam

      Trump immediately attacking Sanders as a sellout on Twitter.

      Whoa–did NOT see that coming.

      • wjts

        Trump has been saying some nice things about Sanders, usually referencing their shared “outsider” status, as a means of going after Clinton for a while now.

        • tsam

          Right–but it seems rather plainly obvious that once Sanders joined the team to get Clinton elected, that Trump would feed into the sellout nonsense. Probably another ploy to pick up a few of his voters.

        • JMP

          It sounds like just as sound a strategy a picking a woman – any woman – as running mate to pick up Clinton’s primary voters, even if she is an incredibly stupid narcissist who can’t even handle softball questions from Katie Couric and a far-right staunch anti-feminist.

    • petesh
    • efgoldman

      Trump immediately attacking Sanders as a sellout

      About time. He hasn’t offended anyone since before the weekend. He needs to get back on his game.

  • Alex.S

    I am somewhat surprised that Bernie Sanders was not true to himself and his supporters. They are not happy that he is selling out!

    Bernie Sanders, who has lost most of his leverage, has totally sold out to Crooked Hillary Clinton. He will endorse her today – fans angry!

    -Donald Trump’s twitter feed, reminding me of a Reel Big Fish song.

    And now I’m oddly nostalgic for ska… this election has finally broken me.

    • “Fans”? He really does think this is reality programing, doesn’t he

    • wjts

      All you Trumps and all you Teds
      Chris Christie, Marco and Jeb
      The Teahadis and the grifters and the skinheads
      Keep on fighting ’til you’re dead.

      Who am I to say?
      Who am I to say?
      The orange hypocrite,
      Another piece of your bullshit.
      Are you the dog that bit
      The hand of the man that feeds it?
      Do the dog, do the dog
      Do the dog, not the donkey.
      Do the dog, and be a jerk.
      Do the dog, watch who you work for.
      Do the do the do the do the dog
      Everybody’s doing the dog!

      • sparks

        Someone’s swiping from Rufus Thomas here.

    • Bootsie

      So here I am
      Doing everything I can
      Holding on to what I am
      Pretending I’m a Superman

  • Trump picks up a key endorsement and it’s Yuuuuuuge!
    https://www.facebook.com/TheAntiMedia/videos

  • JL

    I’m frequently confused at how both a loud minority of Sanders supporters and a loud minority of Clinton supporters see Sanders as something other than a savvy, experienced politician. He has demonstrated once again that he is not actually the weird fantasy that lives in HA Goodman’s head.

    If he keeps his positions in Senate committees and the Dems retake the Senate, he gets control of the Senate Budget Committee, which seems potentially quite useful for incremental leftward progress, or at least blocking right-wing nonsense from the House’s analogous committee.

    • jamesjhare

      I had to bring this up to some folks caterwauling about Bernie doing what a politician has to do in his position. He would be doing a great disservice to the voters he actually serves in Vermont to lose the influence he has over policy by caucusing with the Democrats and getting committee assignments from them. Were he to take his ball and go home the Democratic Party would immediately strip him of any committee assignments and Vermont would have a terribly ineffective senator for the remainder of his term.

      Bernie knew the rules when he went in and played them to full advantage. He accomplished a great deal more than anyone had reason to expect he would. Losing sucks and losing a contest like this that was always more about emotion than reason is even more difficult. Hillary will indeed make a fine president and Bernie’s choice to remain a trusted and influential voice in the Democratic party is the best thing he can do to further his stated goals.

      • MyNameIsZweig

        Butbutbut he didn’t concede and endorse quickly enough for some people’s liking, so he’s actually just a whiny toddler or something, not an experienced politician doing politics.

    • Cassiodorus

      Budget is a weak perch in the Senate. He’ll end up with the HELP chair if he wants it. Murray will be taking the chair at Appropriations and Mikulski isn’t running for reelection.

    • AMK

      The day after the election, Majority Leader Schumer is going to lock Sanders in the Senate broom closet. The NYC money set doesn’t pay him the big bucks for nothing.

      In an ideal world, he would be fantastic heading the finance (tax) committee, with Warren heading up the banking committe. Watching the entire Upper East Side squirm like a worm on a fishhook would be Christmas.

      • humanoid.panda

        AFAIK, the Dem caucus still runs on seniority, and there is nothing Schumer can do to get Sanders off any committee.

        In related news- as I recall, Brown from Ohio is going to the banking Chair- and that as squirm inducing as Warren for those fellows.

        • humanoid.panda

          I also think that besides one specific issue (Israel), concerns about Schumer are overwrought: as Reid demonstrated, a good majority leader adjust to his caucus, and the Senate caucus is increasingly progressive. And let’s be honest: an incumbent Democratic Senator from New York is a lifetime position. Wall Street needs Schumer much more than he needs them.

        • cpinva

          “AFAIK, the Dem caucus still runs on seniority, and there is nothing Schumer can do to get Sanders off any committee.”

          Sanders has only been a registered Democrat for around a year now, putting him pretty low on the Dem totem poll.

          • (((Hogan)))

            And yet he was a member of the caucus. Big tent.

          • djw

            That’s not how this works. He’s been in the caucus for 10 years; that’s how seniority is determined.

            • Pseudonym

              Would that be true even if he were to unregister as a Dem?

              • jim, some guy in iowa

                Sanders has caucused with the Senate Dems from day one- they likely won’t have enough of a majority (should they get one) to do anything to screw that up

            • Craigo

              Committee assignments within parties are determined by the parties themselves. If the caucus decides tomorrow that independents are at the bottom, they’d be misguided but within their rights.

      • Murc

        The day after the election, Majority Leader Schumer is going to lock Sanders in the Senate broom closet.

        How will he go about this?

        I’m ever so interested.

        • efgoldman

          How will he go about this?

          Well, see, as majority leader he gets custody of the BIG honkin’ key ring, like the one the custodian in your high school used to carry….

        • AMK

          He’s going to tell Bernie there’s a suplus packet of Senate gift shop socks in the closet, then close the door behind him.

          • wjts

            I was thinking a trail of birdseed or candy corn leading into the closet.

            • (((Hogan)))

              Latkes?

              • wjts

                A series of handwritten signs reading, “BERNIE FUD” with arrows and backwards “R”s?

      • Jordan

        Schumer has been a major political supporter of Sanders for a while, helping clear the field in Vermont of effective democratic challengers.

    • DAS

      I’m frequently confused at how both a loud minority of Sanders supporters […] see Sanders as something other than a savvy, experienced politician

      I would not have supported Bernie Sanders in the primary had Bernie Sanders been the person too many Sanders supporters seem to think he is. I supported him because he’s a savvy, experience politician who gets reasonably left of center things done or at least on the radar.

      • jamesjhare

        Bernie Sanders as the Last Honest Man seems to be a huge part of the mythology for some folks.

        • Incontinentia Buttocks

          I think there were more Hillary Clinton supporters who agreed with HA Goodman about the nature of the Sanders campaign than there Sanders supporters who did.

          • I fail to see how these fictional HIllary Clinton supporters are to blame for watching Weaver, Jane, Sanders and Sander’s surrogates run a campaign that claimed Sanders was not an ordinary politician, did not care about “electoral politics,” was not interested in working with a corrupt democratic establishment (including Planned Parenthood) and taking them at their word. Of course there was always a chance that someone would talk Bernie off the ledge and he would find a way to dismount his high vor horse (to mix my metaphors) and become a team player. But according to his surrogates, and many of his online followers, this was not in the cards. Whether I took them seriously or not the question was always whether Bernie would take them seriously or not. Its not clear that he does not see this primary as his last hurrah, but rather sees himself as returning to the Senate. Once that is clear everything else follows from it. But this is definitively not the argument bernie and his group were making a few months ago.

            • Incontinentia Buttocks

              If Bernie Sanders’s behaving exactly as those who have been saying for months that you’re wrong about Bernie Sanders have said he’d behave doesn’t convince you you’re wrong about Bernie Sanders, I guess nothing ever will.

              • Bernie has now conceded and behaved very appropriately. Up until then, no, I did not take for granted that Mr. “I’m not running an ordinary campaign” was going to do the right thing. And I think that is perfectly excusable–every time I tried to point out to some of Bernie’s bigger supporters that he was probably just an ordinary political figure who would, in the course of time, concede and endorse I was told firmly that I was wrong to ever suspect that he would do so.

                The internet is a really big place so its ok if you don’t realize that I’ve had these conversations with Bernie’s supporters–but I have had them. If I thought Bernie would never endorse I was not alone in that belief. I shared it with some very vocal Bernie supporters. Hindsight is twenty twenty here and hindsight also improves our view of the category “Bernie supporter”–but it was an open question how many of his true believers would come over and support Hillary and whether Bernie was going to ask them to do so. In fact, someon–it might even be Bernie himself–was insisting until quite recently that he would not endorse and could not be expected to endorse.
                I don’t even get why this is continuing to be an issue of my thought processes at this point. I listened to Bernie and I believed him. And I believed a vocal subset of his supporters. Perhaps I should have just held my breath and assumed they were all lying? I admit that, in my heart, I did!

                • brugroffil

                  my god just admit that you were wrong and move on. It’s still an issue because apparently you can’t let go of your dislike for Sanders and his supporters.

                • What are you talking about? I have said, in several different places, that I’m glad Bernie endorsed and conceded. What more am I expected to say? And what does this have to do with the hurt feelings of Bernie’s supporters? Do they all, individually, require the kiss of peace? Because they aren’t getting one. Bernie did what every candidate is supposed to do and he gets exactly what every candidate gets–the tears of a grateful nation.

                • DrDick

                  What more am I expected to say? And what does this have to do with the hurt feelings of Bernie’s supporters? Do they all, individually, require the kiss of peace?

                  Personally, I expect nothing from you, but I and others could ask the same thing about your statements regarding Sanders’ delay in endorsing Clinton.

  • Hells Littlest Angel

    In fear for his life — he’s old enough to remember Vince Foster — Bernie Sanders endorsed Clinton. Thank goodness this gutless old man will never get near the Oval Office.

  • NewishLawyer

    Where the hell do people learn to be so self-righteous as HA HA Goodman? I already know at least one Berner who says she just can’t bring herself to vote for HRC!

    I don’t understand the politics as purity crowd and their mental gymnastics.

    • tsam

      I think their interactions on social media end up feeding that mentality, and it just grows as they compete to be the most pure. That’s why they latch on to dumb shit (like HRC WILL be indicted) and then have a really tough time owning up to reality when it smacks them in the mouth.

    • jamesjhare

      If people want to be leftier-than-thou in safely Democratic states let them do so. They won’t hurt anything. If you’re in a swing state you have a moral duty to vote for Hillary no matter how much it might hurt your feelings.

      • tsam

        Well, yes and no. Popular vote is a thing, and downballot stuff is really critical. I’m guessing some of the purity buttholes are going to stay home, which is not cool.

        I try to look at it as coalition building. The greater the number of people we get behind Clinton (even if it is just to take down Trump) the better our chances are of getting a stable, progressive government out of the deal.

        • los

          I try to look at it as coalition building. The greater the number of people we get behind Clinton (even if it is just to take down Trump) the better our chances are of getting a stable, progressive government out of the deal.

          my practice.. and suggestion is:
          If you’re interacting with a Sanders supporter suffering HDS, don’t try suggesting voting for Clinton.
          Instead, agree (that voting Green helps keep third parties on ballots or whatever) and encourage the Sanders supporter to look at their downticket Democrats, who will certainly be more agreeable to Sanders supporters than the downticket’s GOP opponent.
          Sanders supporters were obviously willing to vote for a Democrat such as Sanders.

          The Clinton supporters who suffer SDS (aka “bitter winners”) need reminding that they repel non-HDS Sanders supporters (especially since Sanders supporters include more young “tender” new voters…)

      • junker

        It’s worth noting that even voting green in safe States is likely a bad thing. Getting the greens to trigger the popular vote margin required for public funding would be a disaster.

        • Right. And voting Green in a federal election makes absolutely no sense at all. It accomplishes precisely nothing that could ever be good.

          Now, if we are talking about the municipal level in a 1-party district, that’s a very different scenario.

          • Murc

            Now, if we are talking about the municipal level in a 1-party district, that’s a very different scenario.

            Sounds like someone is announcing his third-party candidacy for a seat in the Rhode Island statehouse!

          • jamesjhare

            My take is throw those folks a bone so they shut the hell up about Hillary. I’ve read far too many nasty takes on Hillary in the last hour or so.

          • Gregor Sansa

            Voting Green in a safe state to “send a message” could have some value… if the candidate were somebody like Feinstein, far to the right of her local party. But with Hillary up, and running the leftiest post-primary campaign ever, it makes no sense at all.

            • (((Hogan)))

              Say what you like, but “Forty seconds?! I want it now!” is in fact a message.

            • djw

              The message it would send it “We’re utterly hopeless; you’re probably better off looking for votes in the center than bothering with us.”

              • This.

                The problem with voting Green is that there’s *never* any clear signal that you’d vote for the Dem. They are two few and too bizarre.

                Voting as a Democrat and complaining a lot is a better strategy.

                The big lesson of this primary is being a large, wooable, *reliable* block of voters matters.

                • Pseudonym

                  What if there were to be a repeat of the CA 1992 Senate elections with today’s safely Democratic electorate, and Feinstein’s hypothetical Green opponent managed to get 5% support while Boxer’s got 0.2%? And Proposition 168, the voter initiative to give every child a free unicorn, were to pass?

                • The Temporary Name

                  And Proposition 168, the voter initiative to give every child a free unicorn, had passed?

                  You’d see a drop in the price of dog food.

                • Pseudonym

                  Feckless neoliberal Democrats abandoned the promise of “a unicorn in every pot” to their own detriment.

                • N__B

                  Voting as a Democrat and complaining a lot is a better strategy.

                  My entire life as a voter has been validated!

          • JMP

            But that would require the Green Party to actually run candidates at the municipal level instead of just mounting a spoiler Presidential campaign every four years.

        • CrunchyFrog

          However, voting libertarian so that they get the 5% margin would be a nice thorn in the GOP side for a while. Libertarian Party members – regardless of what they say in their platform – are basically tea partiers. They are the natural place for GOP base protest votes.

          • los

            Libertarian Party members – regardless of what they say in their platform – are basically tea partiers. They are the natural place for GOP base protest votes.
            more complicated than that…
            between most TPs and the real LPs (not the “republican libertarians”), the crossover is ‘small government’.
            But the majority of TPs are just the same old radical theocratic conservatives.
            At least some LPs who are old enough to grasp the brutal reality of history, have a guilt conflict over affirmative action. Extreme conservatives’ attitude is: just kill affirmative action, and whoever suffers can go to hell.

            There are a minority of ‘good government’ TPs (oppose the bald corruption of “corporate” hegemony), which makes them less conservative than the standard Republican.
            I believe these are the Republicans who have induced the whimpering false objections by such as Cruz toward “crony capitalism”.

        • The Greens are a feckless party and Jill Stein is a bad candidate. She doesn’t deserve a leftists’ vote even from a position of idealism. The Greens’ single-minded pursuit of presidential politics is a dead end for the American left.

          I would like someday to have a presidential election where the conservative candidate is somewhere around where Clinton is now. However, I would not want Stein to be the opposing candidate, and if I had a choice between Jill Stein and Hillary Clinton for president, I would vote for Clinton even if in the main I agree with the Green Party’s platform.

          • Lost Left Coaster

            I used to vote Green. But now I would love for anyone to point out anything, ONE THING, that the Greens have accomplished for the greater good by running a candidate for president in each election.

            Because I think that Bernie Sanders just left the perennial Green Party self-justification of “pulling the Democratic party farther to the left” in the dust. Sanders accomplished that, and he did it from the inside.

            • The Lorax

              They put Roberts and Alito on the court and gave us Heller and Citizens United?

              Wait, you said good thing.

              • CrunchyFrog

                They share responsibility for the Iraq War and greatly increased the odds of 9/11, since Gore would certainly have continued to treat OBL as the #1 security priority and kept the practice of daily briefings on OBL, while Bush’s team decided that their main goal was to win the cold war with the Soviets.

            • los

              pulling the Democratic party farther to the left” in the dust. Sanders accomplished that, and he did it from the inside.
              Exactly correct. Leveraging political reality in a two party elections system.
              IMO, Sanders should have begun his campaign earlier, including switching to Democrat at least as early as 2012.
              He would still have had some ‘independent cred’.

          • Incontinentia Buttocks

            The problem facing national or even statewide third party efforts is that ballot access often depends on performance in presidential and/or gubernatorial races. This makes it very difficult for parties like the Greens not to run a presidential candidate. Open up ballot access laws and these perverse incentives reverse themselves a bit.

            • Which is why I think the left’s best option by far is entryism. Look at Sanders: he is now the most successful socialist politician in US history since Debs, and he did it running for the Democratic Party nomination. He would have been a complete non-entity running as an independent, or a Green, or a Socialist in any of the many fragmented parties.

              Left-wing Americans’ electoral future is in the Democratic Party, both in direct involvement with the party apparatus as well as forming pressure groups, think tanks, fundraising committees, and the like. That isn’t to say that all left-wing groups need to be involved in electoral politics — OWS and BLM have both been successful without official political arms. But third parties in general are a waste of time for the left.

              • los

                But third parties in general are a waste of time for the left.
                yes.
                1. in that the ‘tea party’ was alaways the republican party.
                2. real 3rd parties are as stodgy as real 1st and 2nd party’s but lack their clout.

      • Matt McIrvin

        This assumes we know what the safe states are. Admittedly, we probably do–the electoral map from state polls right now looks almost like a repeat of 2012. But it’s also true that both major-party candidates are underperforming in their party’s traditionally safest states, and some seemingly safe state flipping is not beyond the realm of possibility.

        • Murc

          But it’s also true that both major-party candidates are underperforming in their party’s traditionally safest states

          Polling is unreliable this far out but even with that caveat things are still nuts. Hillary’s numbers out of Utah (Utah! Of all places!) are mind-boggling.

          • bender

            One explanation I’ve heard for this is that Mormons are offended by Trump’s behavior and values.

            • addicted44

              And Romney is almost certainly well respected there as well.

          • ForkyMcSpoon

            It does seem like Pennsylvania may be in play. But Wisconsin and Michigan look relatively safe. It doesn’t seem like she’s polling weakly enough in any safe blue states to be of worry. Winning Vermont by only 15 pts is unusual, but doesn’t put it in play really. I suspect some of the disaffected voters in blue states will come home after Bernie’s endorsement and the convention. The question is whether those disaffected GOPers will.

            But Utah, Arizona and possibly (pending further polling) Kansas, Mississippi and South Carolina are closer than usual as well (Utah by a very large margin).

            If KS ends up being a battleground, we have Brownback to thank for it, I suppose.

    • elm

      In semi-defense of HA Goodman, he isn’t part of the purity crowd. He tweeted yesterday that he thinks Hillary is the Greater Evil and Trump the Lesser Evil. This makes him a moron of some variety, but his opposition to Clinton isn’t becuause he’s too pure to give her his vote.

      • brad

        Except that’s the exact kind of deluded and/or magical thinking the purity types have to engage in to justify telling themselves that reality is wrong.

        • nixnutz

          But the key thing is he’s a former Paulite who started this campaign season as a Jim Webb supporter, he’s never opposed Clinton from the left, even if he’s used those arguments when they’ve been convenient. I think that’s typical of the Busters, most of them are not leftists, they just hate Hillary.

          • brad

            True, but his switch to Stein suggests that his PC’s class change in this RPG is one he’s trying to keep up. Until Fox or Breitbart comes calling he still has to earn somehow off the role he’s been playing. I’m not implying he’s somehow principled or even actually understands what it means to be on the left, or disagreeing that Hillary hatred seems to be his ultimate core ‘belief’, but purity is very often a means of overcompensating for a paucity of actual ideas or understanding.

            • PohranicniStraze

              That’s more an alignment change than a class change. He went from Chaotic Stupid to Neutral Dumbass. Fortunately for him, the rules errata allow Paladins of Purity to make this switch without losing their class abilities.

              • wjts

                Fortunately for him, the rules errata allow Paladins of Purity to make this switch without losing their class abilities.

                There is literally no way Goodman’s CHA is anywhere near high enough for him to be a paladin.

          • Matt McIrvin

            I guess a lot of them are mostly foreign-policy-only “progressives”: that is, basically Glenn Greenwald fans with little interest in domestic affairs apart from things like spying and cryptography. If anything, Gary Johnson might well be more satisfactory to them than Bernie Sanders, who never really had foreign policy anti-imperialism or non-interventionism as a primary campaign plank; for him it was all about not having voted for the Iraq invasion.

        • Murc

          I’m not sure that we need to label people who are simply grotesquely wrong as deluded. It seems cheap; “they really know better but have invented an elaborate form of self-brainwashing! Yeah!”

          And, well… no. They don’t, actually, know better.

      • Matt McIrvin

        These people are generally would-be revolutionaries of some sort who believe that worse is better because the system has to be smashed. Which is just the step beyond purity-ponyism.

    • The Lorax

      I know one who is voting for Trump because Hillary said nice things about NAFTA 20 years ago, and Trump most days speaks ill of trade deals. Therefore, Trump should be the candidate of leftists.

      • CrunchyFrog

        My experience with such people is that this is an excuse. This person is voting for Trump because s/he likes what Trump represents.

  • msobel

    No, it’s Debbie Wasserman-Schultz in the smoke filled room with a gavel.

    • Halloween Jack

      No, HA!’s fantasy definitely involves a candle. You don’t wanna know.

  • So, it’s still later than I think was optimal (for the movement), but, I found his endorsement to be everything I could have hoped for. I expected him to do this and he did it very, very well.

    Indeed, I had tears in my eyes by the end. It removed my nascent concerns at having voted for him.

    Well played Bernie!

    • The Lorax

      And mine for having given him money.

      His organization will pay dividends going forward, the way Dean’s has.

  • I salute Bernie Sanders, who has accomplished more than any other runner-up in my recollection. He is a class act, and the Democratic Party is the better for his showing up and running hard

  • junker

    In semi-related news the only ads this site produces for me anymore are ads for a Republican candidate for Missouri governor… And I live in Connecticut.

    • Captain Oblivious

      But that’s good. Some Republican’s campaign or PAC is paying for those ads. Helps to click on them, too.

    • CrunchyFrog

      So, try something. Go to maps.google.com and see what location pops up by default. You may find that your internet provider is giving your location as Missouri to any of the sites you visit.

      For a long time United in airport WiFi told every web site I went to that I was in San Francisco. A customer i worked at last year’s wifi told every site I went to that I was located at their corporate headquarters – about 2000 miles from that office. My own company’s internet tells outside sites that I’m at an office on one of the coasts even though I’m in Colorado and my company’s HQ is on the other coast. And for years Marriott’s wifi used to give some other place as the default location – I now forget where (wasn’t Utah).

      • dr. fancypants

        If your employer requires you to connect to the internet via a proxy, then that proxy often dictates your apparent location as well. With my employer, I can tell which proxy server I’m on by seeing which teams ESPN recommend I follow when I go check scores.

    • Colin Day

      Good, make the Republicans waste money!

  • brad

    Lolcats has officially endorsed Stein. I wonder if any polling would, or could, get granular enough to breakdown where the Busters end up. I have to suspect Stein’s gender Johnson’s strength of character will drive most back to the Paulite roots from which they sprang.

    • brad

      Yoiks, and the psychotic break begins. I forgot to close the tab with Lolcats’s twitter. And, well, (minus the youtube link spam)

      Bernie Sanders Endorsed Bernie Or Bust and Dr. Jill Stein, not Clinton.

  • mikeadamson

    Thank goodness Bernie didn’t ruin the party!

  • humanoid.panda

    The hidden truths is revealed in ancient Youtube scrolls. Wake up, sheeple!

  • Alex.S

    “Bernie Sanders Endorsed Bernie Or Bust and Dr. Jill Stein, not Clinton.”

    -HA Goodman on twitter. Presumably there’s something in his YouTube video, but I’m not going to spend any time listening to that rambling nonsense.

    https://twitter.com/HAGOODMANAUTHOR/status/752920727649648640

    I look forward to his future tweets, such as “no, I’m not crazy you are!” and “Look, just ignore everything Sanders is saying. I can interpret the code from his blinks.”

    • oh my god is his twitter handle really “HAGOODMANAUTHOR”

    • junker

      As our own Dana Houle posted on Twitter, Goodman is about to become Bart Simpson after everyone got over “I didn’t do it.”

  • Barkeep! Unicorn tears and vermouth all around!

    • efgoldman

      Unicorn tears and vermouth all around!

      Goes better with absinthe, I think.

      [A five quatloo fine to the first one who says the heart grows fonder.]

      • Gregor Sansa

        What kind of a bitter worm would say that?

        • Saskexpat

          I wood . . .

          • Very good…norwegian.

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  • Owlbear1

    I’m glad Bernie got a party platform he could live with. Hopefully the true believers understand it doesn’t happen in 2 years and keep showing up down the line.

  • Mike in DC

    It wouldn’t surprise me if the Greens and Libertarians combined got less than 5% of the popular vote. By Labor Day Clinton will have essentially consolidated the Democratic and left/center Independent vote.

    • Craigo

      This.

  • Saskexpat

    I am skeptical of Sanders’s approach to coalition-based politics, and wonder if his meetings with Clinton and Obama post-primary changed how he thought about achieving his overall political goals.
    During the primary, his campaign seemed determined to alienate members of the party that were otherwise inclined to support his substantive positions. Put another way, there was a chunk of the party who had worked long and hard to move it to the left, who not only supported his goals, but also laid the groundwork for their being acceptable in the party, who were alienated by his constant framing of the campaign as an insurgency against an inherently corrupt institution. I think that if he had made better efforts to bring that chunk of the party into his campaign, he would have done even better than he did. I saw nothing in his campaign down the stretch that indicated that he was aware that he could retain his core message and broaden his coalition within the party, while still bringing in independents who support his positions.
    There seemed to be a radical shift in approach after the primaries were over (and he met with Clinton and Obama), and he then actively sought to use his influence in the party to make some changes. With his history in the campaign, I thought he was going to hold out too long and blow his chance to have an impact, but it looks like he played it pretty well. If he had taken that approach during the campaign, he might have had a better shot at winning.

    • I think this is a very good analysis. Its kind of a “two Bernie’s” theory of the campaign cycle. Personally, I also think that Bernie is just waking from a kind of Midsummer Night’s Dream and the shootings in Orlando and now in Dallas shook him–I think he looked at his own history as a political figure, his own temperament, his own talents and realized that being President was actually too big a job for him, required too much sweating the details and being ready at a moment’s notice to give more than a speech about the economy. This is not some kind of covert insult to Bernie as a man or as a political leader. Lots of people think they could be President–especially Senators. I don’t think Bernie ever thought he could be President before he started his run, then he had a brief time when he really thought it was possible and was excited by the prospect, then he had a short period when he was pissy about the cake being taken away from him, and suddenly, in the last few weeks, he remembered again that its probably a bigger, harder, uglier, sadder, job than he is able to take on.

      This is my own theory, whch is mine, and I don’t require anyone to agree with me.–Anne Elk

      • Saskexpat

        I like this theory — maybe because I really value self-reflection, and hope that others, especially people in power, do too. It makes me wonder what the process of campaigning does to a politician. While Sanders had a slight national profile, and grew up in New York, campaigning nationwide, compared to Vermont, had to be eye-opening in a lot of ways (some of which I cannot even imagine). It could be that it took a while for that experience (as well as more recent events) to sink in.

        • Kazanir

          Didn’t Aimai just lose a bet by predicting that Sanders was too narcissistic to ever endorse Clinton?

          I’ll take a pass on the latest bouts of amateurish psychoanalysis, especially when they are constructed as a combination of retroactive defense (“Sanders was a narcissist, but then he changed!”) and backhanded compliments (“Kudos to him for recognizing that he just wasn’t cut out for the job.”)

          Spare me.

          • I don’t get this level of bitchiness towards me over this. Is it really that important that Sanders get all the love from everyone that he got from his groupies? He’s just a politician–some people voted for him and some didn’t. Some people liked his policies and some people didn’t. I’m not Some people thought Sanders was going to endorse graciously prior to the convention, and some people took Sanders at his word that he would “fight on to the convention.” Sure–I didn’t like him for it but it wasn’t some kind of pure projection on my part. I took Sanders at his word. I concede I lost the bet–doesn’t mean my analysis isn’t perfectly good. Just means that Sanders, in the end, made the right move. I thought he wouldn’t–so sue me!

            • brugroffil

              It’s probably because you’ve been somewhat of an ass about this for a while, and now that you’ve been shown to be flatout wrong, you’re still being a bit of an ass about it.

              • No, I’m really not being an ass about this. I didn’t like Sanders before and he lost his chance, with me, to win my admiration. No one else has to agree–its really irrelevant now. I moved on to the GE some time ago. Sanders didn’t make his decisions with people like me in mind and I don’t think he cares that I still don’t respect him. I fail to see what this has to do with you. If you like him–good for you!

                • jeer9

                  No, I’m really not being an ass about this.

                  Too funny.

                  Please do some more psychoanalyzing. You’re on a roll.

                • Moondog

                  When you disagree with me, you’re being an ass.

            • Snuff curry

              I don’t get this level of bitchiness towards me over this.

              You’re a woman who questioned Sanders’s abilities and integrity (therefore are in the pocket of Big Clinton) and now you’re committing the egregious sin of not sufficiently groveling over a prediction that’s yet to be proven right or wrong. Dudebloggers here have said much the same as you, in cattier, more dismissive tones. And pace sad commenters below, none of you were “flatout wrong” about much of anything. Sanders mostly lost what was a pretty good hand by not readily and loudly capitalizing on the small amount of leverage he managed to secure and simultaneously lost the goodwill of many of his backers. His remaining mettle will be tested downballot in particular: will he support all of these young, feisty, prog Democrats? Will that support net the party any substantial victories? Who knows. Neither the Shadow nor you, but you’re being blamed because Sanders isn’t as big a fucking child as we all hoped he wouldn’t be.

        • There was a very moving section of Ezra Vogel’s piece on Hillary in which he describes her “two card tables” which get set up every few weeks, for several hours, onto which she disburses all the pieces of paper, scrawled notes, handwritten letters, pleas for help, and bits of information which are pressed on her when she travels and campaigns.

          Laurie Rubiner, who served as Clinton’s legislative director from 2005 to 2008, recalls being asked to block out two hours on the calendar for “card-table time.” Rubiner had just started in Clinton’s office six weeks before, and she had no idea what card-table time was, but when the boss wants something put on the calendar, you do it.

          When the appointed day arrived, Clinton had laid out two card tables alongside two huge suitcases. She opened the suitcases, and they were stuffed with newspaper clippings, position papers, random scraps of paper. Seeing the befuddled look on Rubiner’s face, Clinton asked, “Did anyone tell you what we’re doing here?”

          It turned out that Clinton, in her travels, stuffed notes from her conversations and her reading into suitcases, and every few months she dumped the stray paper on the floor of her Senate office and picked through it with her staff. The card tables were for categorization: scraps of paper related to the environment went here, crumpled clippings related to military families there. These notes, Rubiner recalls, really did lead to legislation. Clinton took seriously the things she was told, the things she read, the things she saw. She made her team follow up.

          And, of course, Obama famously asked for those ten letters to be sent to him every night. I think going out on the trail is enormously emotionally devastating to any Democratic Candidate because you come into contact with so many people who just need help, who have been silent for so long, or who are desperate. That’s been my experience and I’ve just gone door knocking for Dean, Kerry, and Obama. Sometimes the door swings open and you are the only person that person has seen in a week, while they struggle to care for a disabled husband or child.

          And although people talk about candidates being in a bubble, and I’m sure they are to a large extent, I also think these world shaking events like Brexit, Orlando, Dallas, the daily drumbeat of horror stories like Flint or the killings of Alton Sterling or Philando Castile really challenge a candidate. They make clear that the job of President is going to be filled with unexpected events that are impossible to handle “just right” a priori.

          • so-in-so

            Very nice piece! And encouraging, given all the mud (being nice) slung her way.

          • Saskexpat

            I really liked that piece as well, despite having some reservations about aspects of it. Late in the campaign it struck me that there was a very different approach to politics between the campaigns, one more coalition based, and on more confrontation based (that is, more reliant on direct action politics like rallies). In part I chalked it up to being a reflection of the candidates’ strengths. Although I had read a few pieces describing Clinton’s politics as being more in line with a woman’s approach to social dynamics, I did not make a direct masculine/feminine distinction in the campaigns’ political methods the way the Vox piece did. It could be nonsense, but it is interesting way to look at it.

            • jim, some guy in iowa

              yes, I thought the Vox article was interesting too. The woman just plain *works* at this stuff. I am not as concerned as Klein that Clinton’s method of consulting people could eventually bog her down- Sanders’s successes couldn’t have been part of the plan yet they didn’t cause her to go off-track and I think that in itself is a good sign for her potential Presidency

          • Karen24

            Loved the Vox piece.

            And as an early Clinton adopter, and harsh critic of Sanders and especially of some of his deranged supporters, may I say that nothing you’ve said has been wrong? I see no reason to apologize for noting the obvious misogyny of the Bernie Bro’s and Sanders’ own obliviousness to that sexism. His endorsement was excellent, and I’m sure he’ll be an enthusiastic campaigner.

            • Shhhh–we must now let bygones be bygones! Even the memory of that other Bernie must be wiped from our keyboards and our hearts.

              • Gregor Sansa

                Good. I see that you, for one, welcome us as your new Bro underlings. As well you should.

                • Shoulder to shoulder, comrade!

            • Murc

              may I say that nothing you’ve said has been wrong?

              Except for all those things she said that were, provably and demonstrably, wrong, starting with “Sanders will never endorse Clinton because he’s an unrepentant narcissist.”

              • My perfidy is unbounded. At least I didn’t accuse him of being a whore for Wall Street, guilty of crimes w/r/t national security, or overthrowing the government of Honduras and being responsible for the murder of Honduran activists.

                • petesh

                  So you admit it’s bounded!

                • muddy

                  Who in here ever said those things?

                • Nobody here said those things, that I recall. But this discussion is obviously not limited to things said here or by specific LGM posters. The other “not in love with Sanders” posters here specifically always said that our responses to Sanders were related to Sanders own statements, statements by Weaver, and statements by Sanders supporters elsewhere online or in real life. Murc is really upset, apparently, that I found Sanders inability to endorse and support Hillary in a timely manner offensive and even (intemperately! gasp! referred to him as a narcissist). I am merely pointing out that narcissist is a pretty tame thing to throw as an observation (not even an accusation) in the context of things generally said about Hillary Clinton by Sanders own surrogates and supporters.

                • muddy

                  I thought the question was about what was said in here?

                  So saying that it’s fine for you to say whatever because people are saying these other things about Hillary in other venues and so it all balances out doesn’t make sense.

                  I don’t think the discussion was about what terrible things have been said someplace sometime, it was about what was said *here*. Just my opinion, I think this may be why you don’t understand why some people have taken exception.

                • No, I don’t think I ever thought any discussion of Bernie was limited only to things people here thought or said in a particular discussion. Why would that be true? Our impressions of Bernie, his role in the party, the things he was saying about the DNC or Hillary, and the things his voters/supporters were saying were formed outside of this blog. For the most part I didn’t comment here, at LGM, but moved my commenting to my own blog, to Steve M’s No More Mr. Nice Blog, and to Balloon Juice because I was more strongly pro-Hillary than most people here. And a lot of other people –many of them women–did too.

                  I came back for a discussion on the day when there was a guest poster, and I let my Hillary flag fly, but the entire discussion was a mixed bag of assertions by the guest poster, counter arguments by me and some other people who were disgusted with Bernie, and discussions among posters (not all of them pro Bernie) about our feelings about the race, about the treatment of Hillary, and about Bernie and his supporters. The various discussions were certainly not limited to only positions taken in thread by specific LGM posters. And many of my observations were made with reference to other LGM posters who had been discussion Bernie and Hillary over at Balloon Juice or Dkos.
                  At any rate–my point w/r/t Murc is perfectly reasonable. Perhaps it is horribly shocking to Murc that any person would question the motivations of Bernie Sanders or go so far as to assert that a politician who had spent most of his career as an iconoclast might be something of a narcissist. I don’t think so. I’ve known a ton of Bernie Sanders types–its perfectly possible to be both well intentioned and narcissistic, to be on the left and to be self centered. And my point about Hillary Clinton is that she has had to stand a shitload more attacks, and more personal attacks, than some random online commenter calling her a narcissist. All of those attacks were bandied about by either Sanders himself, his surrogates, or his supporters (though admittedly he is not responsible for his supporters except when they are parroting things they got in his emails).
                  So my withers are wholly unwrung when it comes to Sanders or his online supporters getting their feelings hurt because not everyone thinks Sanders hung the moon.

                • Pseudonym

                  I came back for a discussion on the day when there was a guest poster…

                  I think I see what the problem is.

          • MDrew

            This sounds slightly insane, and I hope she doesn’t do it as president.

      • los

        Another Anne Elk disagrees.
        I think he looked at his own history as a political figure, his own temperament, his own talents and realized that being President was actually too big a job for him, required too much sweating the details and being ready at a moment’s notice to give more than a speech about the economy. This is not some kind of covert insult to Bernie as a man or as a political leader.
        imo, very unlikely. Sanders is older than most of us, and even we have seen Reagan and Bush2 bumble their way through two terms each. (Maybe Reagan and Bush have inspired Trump to think Trump might bumble through.)

    • los

      Put another way, there was a chunk of the party who had worked long and hard to move it to the left,
      Maybe they also should have tried harder to work with Sanders campaign?
      Are you thinking of Tulsi Gabbard?
      Grijalva?
      Recall the assumption that Sanders would not win nomination. I suspect the reticence to coordinate was driven by this self-fulfilling assumption.
      (but also, Sanders should have begun in 2012 or so.)

    • los

      I saw nothing in his campaign down the stretch that indicated that he was aware that he could retain his core message and broaden his coalition within the party, while still bringing in independents who support his positions.
      That’s because the Democrats have been long known as dominated by “New Democrats”. Thus Sanders campaign had to be an “insurgency”.

  • Karen24

    Has anyone else noticed a flood of general misogyny in the conservative press lately? I found thisRancid mango today, as well as two others that were even worse a day or two ago. These aren’t articles about Clinton specifically; they are about the general inferiority of women to men, and the necessity of all public positions being held by males. I fully expect to find something like this bilge every day of the campaign and two or three each day if she wins.

    • humanoid.panda

      In a one-tenth defense of the conservative world, Doug Wilson is such a lunatic that even Rod Dreher keeps him at arm’s length.

    • Philip

      Not to be glib, but define “recently.” Maybe it’s because I follow people who like to hate-link things, but the uptick has been from “massibe flood” to “even more massive flood” from what I’ve seen

      • Karen24

        Since she clinched the nomination, and especially since the announcement of the campaign event with Bernie Sanders.

        • Philip

          I’d believe it’s happened and just been drowned out in my feeds by the usual torrent of horror from the alt-right.

    • Sexism is the new racism. The new President will be less uppity but more bitchy.

      • Karen24

        And shrill.

        • Thirtyish

          And cold.

          • N__B

            I thought pantsuits were warmer than skirts.

  • Alex.S

    I’m honestly kind of impressed with how Jill Stein has transformed the Green Party into the “Sanders is really awesome but you shouldn’t listen to him” Party.

    • Moondog

      So weird that people keep saying she’s incompetent….

  • Alas, who forced him and how remains unspecified, but my guess is Debbie Wasserman-Schultz in the observatory with a candlestick.

    Honored to be blogging here.

  • Drexciya

    Way OT, and not to be that person, but Coates is talking sense here, and not just because we’re somewhat close to banging the same drum.

    • petesh

      Yes, he is. Thanks for the link. Since he’s posting less regularly, I sometimes forget to look.

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