Home / General / #LOLCowboys

#LOLCowboys

Comments
/
/
/
422 Views

christie-cowboys-hug

I thought after the Trent Richardson debacle it would be a loooong time before a running back was selected in the top 5 again. I was wrong, but was pleased to see who made the blunder.

We’ve obviously been through this before, but given that 1)the marginal quality of a team’s running game is not terribly important to winning in the contemporary NFL, 2)adequate running backs are fairly easily obtained by a competent organization, and 3)the performance of RBs tends to vary widely from year-to-year, it’s crazy to invest top-first-round opportunity cost and money in anything but a once-in-a-generation talent at the position. And nobody knows how to identify top-flight NFL running backs ex ante. Elliott will probably be better than Richardson — who isn’t? — but it’s a really dumb pick.

Conversely — and it feels weird to say this — the new management in Cleveland seems to know what it’s doing. They’re at the beginning of a long road, but hiring a good coach and accumulating lots of draft picks is a good place to start.

FacebookTwitterGoogle+Share
  • Facebook
  • Twitter
  • Google+
  • Linkedin
  • Pinterest
  • Brien Jackson

    I want to defend it because it’s Zeke but…yeah, it’s bad. Even more bizarre, the Ravens apparently wanted to trade ahead of Jacksonville to get Ramsey and the Cowboys turned it down, even though the Jags probably would have taken Stanley and the Cowboys still would have gotten Elliot at pick number 6.

    I can see Elliot being really, really good though, and with that offensive line and Dez Bryant it’s going to be pretty hard to contain Dallas’ offense.

    • Denverite

      I’ve heard, from a historical standpoint, that there’s another side of the ball.

      • Dilan Esper

        They only play that down in Denver. :)

  • Denverite

    Yeah, but when Elliot rushes for 1100 yards (on a 3.4 YPA) this year, THE EGG WILL BE ON YOUR FACE LEMIEUX.

    I said something similar a few weeks ago, but is it just me, or is the median quality of NFL GM really, hugely, inexplicably low?

    I mean, arguably, the best GM in football basically went from managing used car lots to managing a handful of quasi-high-end restaurants (that I’ve still never eaten at!) to running a prestige NFL franchise in about 15 years. And he’s better than everyone else at it! It’s hard to see this sort of thing happening in baseball or the NBA.

    • efgoldman

      And he’s better than everyone else at it!

      Maybe the guy in Foxboro just slipped your mind. Just for a historical minute.

      • Denverite

        This is fair. I’ll just note that I think Belichik is a better GM than most do. (I think he’s top five for sure.)

        • Scott Lemieux

          I would agree with that, although it’s hard to separate his player picking from his talent development. But he’s definitely fundamentally sound as a GM.

        • kped

          Paxton Lynch is your new QB.

          • erick

            Yeah, a better GM just ripped them off getting an extra pick by.moving down 5 spots where they’ll probably get the guy they wanted at 26 anyway.

            On a tangent, Myles Jack’s knee must have looked really bad, I expected hm to slip, but this far?

            • Scott Lemieux

              Please please please let him be there at 31.

              • Given how unorthodox Seattle is in the draft, who knows what will happen even if he is there.

              • kped

                I thought Nkemdiche would have been a great pick if they could grab him. His fall was dumb. He seems like a good kid with a tonne of talent. Maybe a bit “weird” for the NFL, but much better than a lot of guys who got picked ahead of him. Arizona did well there, similar to how they got Tyrann Mathieu a couple of years ago.

                • Denverite

                  This.

                • Scott Lemieux

                  Agreed — I’d be happy if Seattle took him too.

              • Denverite

                Microfracture surgery is rough. My impression is it’s 50-50 whether you can come back from it.

                • kped

                  Jack had microfracture? I can see why teams passed him. Look at Jadeveon Clowny, a guy who was as can’t miss a defensive prospect as you can get. 2 years in and he’s shown next to nothing.

                • Denverite

                  They’re saying he’s likely to need it short term.

              • ColBatGuano

                Jack might be a good replacement for Irvin. I’m hoping the Seahawks package two of those 3rd rounders to move up.

                • Scott Lemieux

                  Well, as much as I was hoping for Nkemdiche or Jack, God knows Seattle needs o-line help.

                • Thank god.

                • It will be nice for Seattle to have an offensive lineman who wasn’t some DL transformation because Tom Cable thinks he is God.

                • kped

                  I wonder if the 3rd + the OL guy they got will be better than Nkemdiche. Seattle has shown they can handle unique characters. They have the locker room for it. I’d have taken the chance on him.

                • To say the least, Seattle has done well by trading down and going for numbers of picks over big names.

                • Scott Lemieux

                  To say the least, Seattle has done well by trading down and going for numbers of picks over big names.

                  Yeah. I mean, you can argue with who they picked at #31, but trading down was a no-brainer.

                • I’m fine with the pick, from what I know. OL, can be versatile and play multiple positions, fills a position of need (i.e. anywhere on that shitty line).

                • ColBatGuano

                  Ifedi was slotted to go to the Seahawks in several mock drafts so it looks like they went with a fairly conventional pick at a needed position. I was afraid they were going to take Jack and convert him to guard. Maybe they can use those third rounders to move up in the 2nd.

                • Scott Lemieux

                  I was afraid they were going to take Jack and convert him to guard.

                  I wonder if Cable is going to resign in protest about having to try to assemble an offensive line out of actual offensive linemen, a challenge simply not worthy of his SUPERGENIUS.

                • witlesschum

                  It will be nice for Seattle to have an offensive lineman who wasn’t some DL transformation because Tom Cable thinks he is God.

                  Rumors from Michigan State fans suggest that the Seahawks have at least been scouting graduating DT Joel Heath with this in mind.

            • CrunchyFrog

              Yeah, a better GM just ripped them off getting an extra pick by.moving down 5 spots where they’ll probably get the guy they wanted at 26 anyway.

              Turned out that wasn’t true. Dallas complained that they were trying to trade Seattle for the same pick for the same QB, and KC said they were going to pick him if he’d dropped to them.

              One consequence of this is that Denver now has a bit of cap room that had been set aside to trade for Kap.

    • efgoldman

      is the median quality of NFL GM really, hugely, inexplicably low?

      I don’t know how much is on GMs, and how much on owners who have the patience of a squirrel, and think they know anything about football.

    • Dr. Ronnie James, DO

      I think this is generally true, but two exceptions spring to mind:

      * Andrew Friedman went from [financial analyst] to GM of the Tampa Rays in < 7 years, and is now running the friggin Dodgers.

      * Neil Olshey was an actor, then had some kind of sports agent-y job holding basketball draft camps, then joined the Clippers and became GM in 7 years. He built the current Clipper nucleus, then went to Portland and has continued building solid teams year in year out. IIRC this year's Blazers were the first team in NBA history to make the playoffs after losing 4 starters in the offseason

      • efgoldman

        two exceptions spring to mind

        But neither in football.
        I know nothing about Olshey, but Friedman knew enough to hire superb staffs (in Tampa). We’ll see how he does in LA, with the demands and spotlight of a large market and essentially unlimited budget.

    • iliketurtles

      Allen Park, Mich. –Detroit Lions Owner and Chairman of the Board Martha Firestone Ford announced today the appointment of Michigan native, Rod Wood, as the team’s new President

      Most recently, Wood was hired as President and CEO of Ford Estates in 2007. From 1999 until his appointment at Ford Estates, Wood was Executive Vice President of Wealth Management for the Wilmington Trust Company in Wilmington, Del., a $400 million operation with 17 offices in eight states. Wood directed the company’s entire wealth management business nationally, and he managed the personal trust, financial planning, private banking, investment management, family office services and sales functions for the wealth advisory business of Wilmington Trust.

    • Dilan Esper

      Is it possible to trade a first round running back for a replacement level GM?

  • Dr. Ronnie James, DO

    It could be worse: they could have traded a raft of picks to draft a fumble-prone small college QB (ceiling: Dave Krieg!) who eats like Jackie Gleason and has a name that sounds like “Nelson Muntz.” Thinking about that situation makes my tummy hurt, and I’m not even an Eagles fan.

    • LosGatosCA

      Could turn out to be a Phil Simms (Morehead State) or a Ken Anderson (Augustana).

    • Scott Lemieux

      Dave Krieg

      I think that’s probably too charitable.

      It’s not just that he went to a FBS school — it’s that he only has a year and a half of starts and wasn’t superlative given the quality of competition. 23 games at a ~63% comp. rate would be a pretty dubious prospect even if he was playing against a real schedule.

      I wouldn’t have drafted Lynch, but I certainly like Lynch at 1-26 + a low 3rd rounder a lot more than what the Eagles invested to take Wentz. If I were an Eagles fan I wouldn’t be thrilled with taking Wentz at 1-2 even if the Eagles didn’t need to trade up.

      • erick

        Yeah, Dave Krieg wasn’t that bad. Philly will be lucky if he is Dave Krieg.

        I’m thinking Jake Locker or Christian Ponder are more likely.

        • People slamming on Krieg is not OK. He was a pretty good QB!

          • Scott Lemieux

            Yes, very underrated. He was a solidly above-average QB for close to a decade at the beginning of his career, and wasn’t bad even after that.

          • Dr. Ronnie James, DO

            Oh, I’m not slamming Krieg at all; aside from the fumbles he’s statistically quite close to a lot of HOF QBs (people forget how long he was decent post-Seahawks). But if that’s your ceiling, as good as it is I don’t think it’s wise to trade that much to draft it #2.

          • witlesschum

            His late career Lions stint was better than a lot of Lions QB seasons.

          • slothrop

            With Largent & Blades, he was about as good as Ron Jaworski. The Broncos pretty much owned Seattle.

          • CrunchyFrog

            There are a few QBs from past eras that people regularly – and incorrectly – remember as being bad. Krieg is one. McMahon, Wade Wilson, Brad Johnson, Erik Kramer, Ken O’Brien, and so on. None Hall-of-Famers, but all solid middle-of-the pack starters in the NFL for years – some went down earlier in their career than others due to injuries. The 15h or 16th best QB in the NFL is still a hell of a talented athlete – and to be at that level for years is an impressive accomplishment.

      • Bill Murray

        you do know that completions have two people involved, and while Wentz’ talent he played against was lower level, so were the people he played with.

        You could look at Wentz as someone that wasn’t recruited highly out of high school that, through hard work and being good at learning, turned himself into a top prospect who twice was the MVP of his championship game, one coming off 3 months of not playing. Now whether Wentz will get decent coaching is an open question. Frank Reich as offensive coordinator and DeFillipo as the new QB coach would not fill me with confidence. Mark Sanchez’ first year was not a triumph of QB play.

        • ColBatGuano

          Wentz has started a grand total of 23 games of FCS level football with one 300 yard game. How he managed to get taken at #2 is a mystery of the ages.

        • Scott Lemieux

          so were the people he played with.

          Relative to the opposition? Is there any reason to believe that?

          His immediate predecessor had 3 years as a starter at a higher level of efficiency, and his current job is picking up the dry cleaning for the coach of the Ottawa RedBlacks. Maybe his physical skills make Wentz a better prospect than that but trading up to take him #2 is ridiculous.

          You could look at Wentz as someone that wasn’t recruited highly out of high school that, through hard work and being good at learning,

          That’s a reason to make him a character in the forthcoming series Saturday Night Lights, not to draft him #2 overall.

        • Dr. Ronnie James, DO

          That’s what they said about Jake Locker – his low % was partly due to a lot of drops.

          Also, Wentz fumbled a lot against FCS pressure; just imagine how what NFL speed (and Philly’s O-line) will do to him. Someone pointed out Wentz’ predecessor and backup (not NFL prospects) who took over during his injury had better records than he did, implying he’s a system guy.

          • ColBatGuano

            NFL speed

            This is what I don’t get. Even most big school QBs need time to get used to the speed of the NFL. The windows to throw the ball into get much smaller.

    • efgoldman

      It could be worse: they could have traded a raft of picks to draft a fumble-prone small college QB

      I have no idea at all whether Wentz can play in the NFL. But there have been plenty (more than plenty) QBs out of major college programs in major conferences who couldn’t. For every Andrew Luck there’s at least one JaMarcus Russell.

  • Scott Lemieux

    Well, well, well, we have a deal. Hope Seahawks can still get Jack!

    • Denverite

      And Lynch it is.

      • Love it for Seattle. We’ll see for Denver.

        • Scott Lemieux

          Yup, I’m always in favor of giving Schneider and Carroll more picks to work with.

          Elway obviously deserves a lot of deference, but I dunno about Lynch.

          • Denverite

            I wouldn’t have done it. Prescott projects better, and if you bring in Kaepernick, you can run the same offense.

            • Scott Lemieux

              Yup. I definitely like him more than Cook, but I would have saved the third rounder and taken whichever of Lynch or Prescott was available at 31, or as you say just get Kaepernick. Given his abysmal quality of competition, Lynch is a long-range project on a team that should be win-now with extreme prejudice.

              • Denverite

                Agreed. Though I’ll just caveat that Elway’s top picks have been Von Miller, Derek Wolfe, Sylvester Williams, Bradley Roby, and Shane Ray. A HOFer, two Super Bowl starters, and two solid contributors that would start on 25+ teams. So he’s bought himself some slack in my book.

                • Scott Lemieux

                  Yeah, I mean, nobody is that good at picking players and he’s going to get a lemon sooner or later, but you have to respect his track record.

              • Cook was mediocre against a terrible pass defense like Oregon. Of course for that matter so was Goff.

                • Scott Lemieux

                  But Goff had more good games. Cook is the Big 10s’ answer to Jake Locker.

                • erick

                  Yeah but without the running ability or arm strength.

                • witlesschum

                  Cook’s not as inaccurate as his completion percentage would suggest, though it’s obviously his biggest problem as a QB. Supposedly he doesn’t do his footwork correctly all the time, according to people who claim they know about those things.

                  Especially his senior year, he was throwing on a lot of long downs (Bill Connelly pointed that out). From watching him for three years, he’s really good at placing the ball where his guy its getting it or nobody (usually) just a few too many “or nobody’s” happening. Plus MSU’s offense just generally relied on running the ball more so than short passing, so Cook was attempting more difficult passes than he’d have been in offense like Cal’s.

                  I don’t know the career of Jake Locker intimately, but I think Cook played on much more talented teams and isn’t that sort of athlete, though he could run a bit more than people think.

            • kped

              Kaep isn’t going to take a massive paycut to go to Denver. He is cheap enough already, no reason to do Elway a solid.

              • Denverite

                They were like $5M apart. Everyone eats $1.67M and is happy.

                • kped

                  1.67*2 does not now or ever equal 5M…

                • Denverite

                  SF eats $1.67M as well.

      • efgoldman

        And Lynch it is.

        Do you really think he’ll play this year?

        • Denverite

          No.

      • Denverite

        So basically they draft Brock Osweiler, but for a tenth of the cost. Meh. I’m indifferent.

        • Scott Lemieux

          Who did they think was going to take him, Arizona?

          • Denverite

            Or KC. I heard both.

            [ETA: That said, they do have a crapload of comp picks, including an extra third. So there’s that.]

  • MaureenDowdsLudes

    He was the #2 rated player in the draft (behind Rasta Tunsil) he fills a rather large need for them. Don’t think its a bad pick. But I’m an optimist.

  • Scott Lemieux

    Dammit, I was hoping the 49ers had traded up to take Cook.

    • You just wanted to write another anti-Chip post. I was hoping he traded up for Vernon Adams so you could really write it.

      • Scott Lemieux

        Nah, it would be an anti-Baalke and York post. I don’t think Chip has personnel control in San Fransisco.

  • Scott Lemieux

    Meanwhile, we might have an OT playoff goal waved off in the Caps/Penguins game.

    • randy khan

      Or not, as it turned out, but they had to look at the 4th or 5th replay to be sure.

    • Ken

      That’s that Canadian ice-sticking game with the horizontal rims, right? Why should anyone care about that, now that we’re in RealAmerican(TM) football season?

      • Linnaeus

        Seriously. It’s not like that ice-sticking game is, you know, still being played.

      • rea

        Some of us care more about that Venezuelan game played on baseball rinks.

    • rea

      an OT playoff goal

      [re-reading original post] Yeah, I guess a goal in the Caps/Penguins game would be off-topic.

  • Denverite

    That’s a good pick for Seattle. It’s picking for a position of need, but it’s really a position of need.

    • Scott Lemieux

      Yeah, if this means we don’t have to watch Tom Cable try to turn another second-string tight end into a guard I’ll take it.

    • ColBatGuano

      He’s at least played the position they drafted him for.

  • sleepyirv

    I’m guessing the guy trying to destroy Tunsil’s life is going to spend less time in prison than Matthew Keys. Since Tunsil’s only crimes seem to be marijuana usage and taking money to play football, instead of rape or murder, I expect Goodell to ban him for life.

    • kped

      I still can’t believe Goodell was able to suspend Pryor for violating an NCAA policy. So i wouldn’t be shocked.

      • Scott Lemieux

        I’m beginning to think that Goodell having the arbitrary authority to suspend any player any length of time for any reason may be suboptimal.

        • efgoldman

          The NFLPA sucks. It sucked when Upshaw ran it, and they gave back what they won in court, and it sucks now. With the appeals court finding the way they did, it will probably suck forever.
          They need to find a 21st century Marvin Miller, if such a being exists, but they won’t.

          • Scott Lemieux

            In fairness, I heard someone with the NFLPA explain this and I sort of understand it. Basically, restricting the Article 46 power in the last CBA negotiation would have been a huge fight, and Tagliabue had generally used the power reasonably. In this particular case I’m not sure the problem is so much with the NFLPA as that Goodell is an imperious asshole.

            • efgoldman

              I’m not sure the problem is so much with the NFLPA as that Goodell is an imperious asshole.

              Betting whether any future commissioner would be an imperious asshole is taking a horrible chance on the backs of your membership.
              And it’s not like he’s only done it to the players. I don’t have a lot of respect for the Cowboys or Racial Slurs, but punishing them for exceeding the salary cap in a contractually uncapped year that the league negotiated? You can’t even see reasonable from there.

    • erick

      Someone with a conspiracy theory bent could think a team that wanted him to fall did it.

      • Denverite

        This was my thought.

        • ThusBloggedAnderson

          Um that is completely crazy, too crazy to search Miami’s servers.

  • jeer9

    Still waiting for the Pats’ pick. Did something happen to it?

    • efgoldman

      Did something happen to it?

      Get fucked sideways with a flaming rusty chain saw.

      • Scott Lemieux

        Uh, jeer9 is a Pats fan. He’s not one of the Pats haters and/or authoritarians cheering on Goodell.

        • efgoldman

          Uh, jeer9 is a Pats fan.

          Sorry. It’s late, and hard to keep straight who roots for whom among all the Denver and Seattle ballwashing.

      • Pseudonym

        That’s a decent description of what Goodell did to them.

  • ChrisTS

    I could not give a blank about this sport. But I do ask my LGM heroes to never, ever, use a photo that includes Chris Christie unless it is absolutely pertinent to the story at hand.

    • Ahuitzotl

      but that’s such a GREAT photo of him, because it’s part of a clip showing him getting humiliated and rejected by the asshole that walks like a man (i.e. Jerry Jones). Happy memory :)

    • witlesschum

      That’s not Brady Hoke?

  • Keaaukane

    I must object to the picture you chose to illustrate this post, though the problem may be mine. The guy in the middle reminded me of Karl Rove, and the hugging and jumping made me think of a Karl Rove lemon party picture. I almost puked.

  • brendalu

    Since we’re on the topic of the draft, I gotta say I really feel for Laremy Tunsil today. Somebody seriously had it out for that kid.

  • Juicy_Joel

    A kicker just got picked up in the second round for the first time in over a decade.

    edit: Wait they also traded UP a spot to get him? Wow.

    • Juicy_Joel

      This is gonna be like how the Jags drafted a punter before Russ Wilson in 2012.

      • kped

        They traded up 15 spots, plus a 4th to pick a kicker. amazing.

It is main inner container footer text