“I Haven’t Had One”
The Republican male anti-woman agenda in a nutshell, via Wisconsin wingnut Rep. Sean Duffy.
Questioner: “I’m wondering about whether or not Rep. Duffy if you would support the legislation that’s in the Wisconsin legislature called ‘Right To Know Your Unborn Child’. And if, because you’ve said in the past that you are 100% pro-life, would you support federal legislation to require trans-vaginal ultrasounds for pregnant women? And if not, then why?
Duffy: “I don’t know what a trans-vaginal ultrasound is?”
Questioner: “You don’t?”
Duffy: “No … I haven’t had one.”
Yeah, I’m just going to pretend like I don’t know that I support the state sexual assaulting women who want an abortion. Sure why not, I’m a privileged white male, it doesn’t affect me at all.
In other news, I need to stop paying attention to state politics if I want to keep my sanity.
We need these reich wing torturers to take the probe to prove how tough they actually are. Like Hitchens volunteered to be waterbpoarded.
Take it (sort of) like a woman, if they can.
My thought exactly when I first saw this.
Did he really form that as a question? Maybe he is an habitual uptalker? Hard to know?
+1?
I propose that every member of State Legislators have to go through some form of intrusive probing, before voting.
With the women, it will naturally go in vaginally.
With men, give them a choice – a probe can be inserted in their penis, going down into their balls; or that ‘Trans-vaginal probe’ can be heated to white-hot, and inserted anally.
After that, let the vote take place.
This would make male GOPs see things in a different light.
(Warning: Depicts a procedure involving a VERY SMALL orifice.)
Oh, it might be a state issue, but Sean Duffy there is a US Representative from WI-7.
He’s known for doing things like going to his district and complaining about his paltry 174K/yr salary. Seriously. He’s a real prince.
A piece of legislation mandating the government force [only] pregnant patients to submit to invasive probing without any medical indication whatsoever in order for the patients to have access to proper medical care is called ‘Right To Know Your Unborn Child’?
And here I thought communists had the best propagandists.
Of course nothing is stuck up a woman’s vagina when getting an abortion…right guys? Right?
Once again the notions of consent and medical requirement sit, lonely on the sidelines, waiting – just waiting – for Carbon Man to be aware of their existence.
Go on – walk over and befriend them. You’ll make them happy, and you might gain something from it too.
Hmm…
How do we know that Carbon Man is even a carbon-based life-form?
Maybe he should be Silicon Man – since breast implants are frequently made of silicon, and he’s already proven that he’s a boob.
Also, abortions induced by saline injection or medications taken orally do not involve sticking anything up a woman’s vagina.
but in Carbon Man’s world, abortions are only performed with hangars, just like when they weren’t legal
Awareness is not one of the properties to which Carbon Man (Mr. Toast?) can lay claim.
Flapjack Man!
Dude, you’re confused. This is not a sex forum; it’s the comments section of LG&M.
Your fetish fantasy of having things stuck up your urethra arbitrarily and forcibly just because something is stuck up a man’s urethra when getting a TURP is not relevant to public health policy, the topic of this post.
Given your difficulties with the concept of consent, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask that you stay at a safe distance of 50 yards from
otherhuman beings at all times.I don’t understand the tone of this post. The full transcript confirmed my impression of the snippet — this guy won’t take a position on the bill because he had never heard of “trans-vaginal ultrasounds” and didn’t know what they are. That’s at least 20% LESS wingnutty than average. His way of pointing this out to the questioner was a little snarky (and bizarre) but it rather makes him look more sane than the average wingnut, don’t you think?
So, basically you’re saying that he’s just “stupid,” rather than “stupid” and “evil” – and that makes him appear more sane.
Maybe the reason he doesn’t have a position on this, is because he’s never had to ‘assume the position’ of lying on his back, with his legs spread, and his feet in stirrups?
But how can we really be sure he’s never assumed that position?
Hmm
I think he has a position, and that’s to make women go through that position, but is afraid to say so openly, lest he “Akin” himself.
Consider the strong possibility that Real World Sean really is just that stupid.
Note that if you don’t know what a “trans-vaginal ultrasound” is, you probably don’t know what a “vagina” is, either.
But the words “vagina” and “vaginal” are pronounced differently. Maybe Sean finds that confusing.
“The full transcript confirmed my impression of the snippet — this guy won’t take a position on the bill because he had never heard of “trans-vaginal ultrasounds” and didn’t know what they are.”
Click through and listen to the audio, he’s clearly making a joke, not being innocently clueless. Good on whoever the (female) questioner was for keeping her composure.
So he was laughing it up? Ha ha, Duffy.
It would have been a lot more clear that he was joking if he had waited a beat, then added “… THAT I KNOW OF!”
Or rephrased his answer somehow. “What’s got two thumbs and has never had a transvaginal ultrasound? THIS GUY!”
Abortion stops a beating heart. Not many people know that, and they should know exactly what they’re killing before they have one. This is all about informed consent.
Yeah, about forcing people to be “informed” before they consent, through any invasive means necessary.
Would you have a problem with a non-invasive method, such as listening to the fetal heartbeat?
Something tells me this isn’t about it being “invasive”, but bout your fear of people learning what abortion really is.
Why don’t you respect our Constitution?
Nothing unconstitutional about informed consent. Hearing the fetal heartbeat is no different than seeing graphic pictures of lung cancer on a pack of cigarettes.
Doesn’t matter what you call it, it can’t create an undue burden.
Ah yes, I remember the controversial Right To Know Lung Cancer Act, mandating that smokers get an ultrasound wand shoved down their throat so they can be shown the contents of their own lungs before they can be allowed to purchase cigarettes. Always thought they went a little overboard on that one.
Harumph!
Performing tests on patients without an indication is malpractice.
You don’t have a problem with malpractice?
He definitely doesn’t have a problem with thinking women are idiots who just need to be “educated.” Because only he is the possessor of the sacred knowledge that a fertilized human egg can, under certain conditions, grow into a human fetus.
the sacred knowledge that a fertilized human egg can, under certain rare conditions, grow into a human fetus.
FTFY
More than half of all embryos spontaneously abort.
God gets really busy sometimes, ok? Lots for a deity to worry about. Can’t be there for every blastocyst all the time.
Someone just can’t deal with the Supreme Court’s ruling that abortion is legal. Why don’t you respect our Constitution?
The Supreme Court also gave us Dredd Scott. Slavery was once protected by the Constitution.
That doesn’t make it moral.
Oh OK. Then quit making that same argument about the Constitution whenever it is convenient for your “arguments.”
You’ve been watching too many Sylvester Stallone movies.
Mr. Scott’s parents gave us Dred Scott. Wingnut assholes gave us slavery, and are still trying to give us the cornerstone of slavery, namely, forced breeding.
Abortion stops a beating heart.
As does eating bacon for breakfast with your pancakes. (Of course, neither of them stops the beating heart of an actual person, or at least not unless you’re stoppin’ off for the blue plate special at Doc Lecter’s 24-Hour Truckers’ Drive-Thru Eaterie and Art Appreciation Shack.)
Yes, they’re not really people, see, they’re just
Jewsfetuses, so they deserve to be killed if the stronger and more powerful will it.Shorter Jennie: spontaneous miscarriage means God is Worse Than Hitler.
Well I guess since people die in car wrecks that means we can legalize murder then, using your logic.
no because fetus != person. A better equivalent would be making having a mole removed murder. Heck some of those might once have been fetus if you can rely on the science of The Venture Brothers
Does a mole have a beating heart and unique DNA?
Face it, your arguments that unborn children aren’t people is about as convincing as the argument that Jews and the handicapped aren’t really people.
Even though I disagreed, I understood the result in Carhart and the fact that people have an elevated reaction to late term abortions (vanishingly small percentage of abortions, and rarely done for non-medical reasons, but whatever). But when it’s a lump of cells? Come on. I can almost respect the consistency in the position when it comes to rape, but then again, it’s at the same time an idiotic and vile position that deserves no respect.
If I fetus is a person, why can’t pregnant women claim them as dependents on their taxes? Or drive in the carpool lane without any other people in the car? Why don’t we issue death certificates for miscarriages? Or count fetuses in the census?
Actually, cancer cells do have unique DNA.
If unique DNA is the criteria we’re using, then it must be okay to kill identical twins.
Other things that have unique DNA that Carbon Man doesn’t give two shits about:
Brown people killed by drones in far away places.
Brown people killed in illegal wars that a certain pro-life president started.
People executed by the state via the death penalty.
People who die due to lack of preventative health care that Carbon Man thinks is a privilege, not a right.
Women who are raped.
5 and 6 year olds shot to death at their school.
Carbon Man is a shit bag, which is a shame, because I really like waffles. I haz a sad nao.
Does a mole have a beating heart and unique DNA?
Yes.
Usually. I suppose there are identical-twin/triplet etc. moles.
Ok ‘bleeding heart,’ let’s say you have your way, and there are no more abortions – since the mothers would have made the decision to NOT bring that fetus into this world, if that choice was still available to them, how many children of rape, or incest, forced to be born, will you and yours adopt, ?
Shorter Cund: Children should be killed for the crimes of their fathers.
My first comment didn’t go through (or so I thought), so I repeated part of it, and elaborated a bit.
Perhaps, Silicon Boob, you might want to check below.
That’s pretty much our whole policy in the Middle East and Central Asia. FOAD.
Nobody believes you actual care about children, Jenny dear.
It’s so cute when they pretend they wouldn’t have eagerly volunteered to work a camp in Germany in the 1930s.
I’m not the one arguing that a certain class of human beings aren’t “persons”, John. That’d be your side that’s using the language of the concentration camp and the gas chamber.
Person or not, why does a fetus have the right to live inside a woman’s body and hijack its resources, at great risk to her health and life, without her consent? You can’t even force a woman to donate blood to a living, breathing child if she doesn’t want to. Why is okay to force a woman to donate her entire body?
Human beings? Really? On what basis? There is no actual legal recognition of that and they have no independent existence. Until birth, they are simply growths in the mother’s body. Until you start holding funerals for every miscarriage, you are full of shit.
Jews didn’t have any legal status in Nazi Germany, either.
So, Carbon Man, should every miscarriage be investigated as a potential homicide?
After all, even an auto accident that results in fatalities can lead to a charge of negligent homicide, even if the driver(s) didn’t mean to kill anyone………..
Are you paying for the funerals of all those miscarriages?
You just triggered Godwin’s Law, which confirms my tentative conclusion that in terms of contributions to this thread, the only thing you have to offer is shit.
Ok, ‘bleeding heart,’ let’s say you have your way and women no longer have any choice – since women will have to carry a fetus to term, how many children of rape and/or incest would you and yours be willing to adopt?
And if not, why not?
Because, then, you’re not only making
jewswomen go through “Forced Labor,” you’re also condeming thosejewswomen to a lifetime, or at least 18 years, of hard labor being a provider and caretaker.Two can play at the Godwin’s Law game.
If you don’t want kids either use the pill, get your tubes tied, or don’t have sex.
It’s pretty simple.
As for children of rape, I stick to the position that it’s not OK to murder a child for a crime their father committed. Maybe you do.
But it’s ok to punish the mother.
Shorter Silicon Boob:
‘Of course it’s always ok to punish the mother!’
And people like you could keep in their pants. Yeah, let’s start telling men to keep it in their pants. It’s really simple, as you say.
If you don’t want kids either use the pill, get your tubes tied, or don’t have sex.
It’s pretty simple.
Is it now? Briefly:
What is the failure rate for OCPs, tubal ligation, and abstinence?
What % of people who don’t want kids are unable to use those contraceptive methods?
What % of people who don’t want kids aren’t aware that they should use the methods.
Your God does not, in fact, think that they are people. In the Old Testament it specifically says that abortion (causing a miscarriage) is not a harm/crime and requires that adulterous women be given an abortifacient. do try to read the damned thing some time.
I’m an atheist, so you can take the bible passages and shove them up your ass. You don’t have to be religious to see that an unborn child is a person, just have some common sense and understand science.
Cancer cells do not have a beating heart and fully human DNA.
You can grow beating heart cells in a petri dish that have fully human DNA. Are they people?
Molar pregnancies are cancer, have unique human dna, and can have beating hearts.
I can believe that. Plenty of atheists are misogynist, racist assholes.
Also, this reminded me of you somehow.
Wow! Pls tell me those are stuffed with something.
Something delicious.
No idea; I saw the photo without any text.
Bullshit, Jennie. Everyone knows that. People typically know where babies come from, but perhaps among conservatives this is an issue?
Leaving aside the constitution, bodily integrity, freedom, human rights etc., the reason you’re a disaster of a human being for wanting this is that the most usual answer women give for getting abortions is that they’re getting them for financial reasons saying they can’t afford another kid right now. So you want to take a woman who has to get an abortion because she knows having another kid will adversely impact the kids she’s got right now and rub it in her face as much as possible to make her suffer as much as you possibly can in a bad situation.
The difference between you and someone who kidnaps a woman off the street and torturers her is what, pray tell? That you’ll claim it’s for her own good, I guess. Which makes you a particularly cruel sadist.
Point of order: Some serial killers/rapists do believe they’re somehow redeeming their victims.
Oh! Did I just compare the forced-birthers to one of the worst varieties of homo sapiens?
Dear me.
You should be ashamed of that, as it is totally unfair to serial killers and rapists.
There is never a situation in which abortion is a better option than adoption.
Again, I’ll ask you, Silicon Boob, “So, how many children of rape and/or incest will you and yours adopt?”
Probably not a good idea to encourage this guy to be around actual children.
Or give birth to, more importantly.
I can think of lots of them, actually.
So can I. I guess Carbon Man’s real problem is he’s stupid? (But we knew that.)
Stupid, ignorant and glib. What do you want bet he knows shit about pregnancy or giving birth. I gave birth (for the first and very likely last time) a little less than 2 years ago. It was a hellish labor, during which I thought I might lose my child. I had to have surgery afterwards (nothing too out of the ordinary) to repair the “damage,” which was considerable. When people talk about having children like it’s no biggie, I want to bash their faces into a wall.
This is my reply to those folks. On the far right is a modern human and on the far left is a chimp. Notice a difference? Human babies’ heads do not actually fit through there. In consequence, the infant’s skull compresses slightly and the mother’s pelvis breaks (the two halves of the pubic process separate) to accommodate the birth. In consequence, birth in humans is far more traumatic and dangerous than in other mammals.
Thanks for that illustration, DrDick. I’m amazed by how many people are so nonchalant about the birthing process. It’s like because it happens often it’s somehow not traumatic.
Well, it is. Hearing your son’s heartbeat stop over and over while giving birth is TRAUMATIC.
I actually used that in this morning’s lecture.
Also, too, the maternal mortality rate in the US was 1:100 live births in 1900.
Says you. The people who actually have to make these choices and live with them often seem to think differently. Perhaps they know something that you don’t?
Terminating a pregnancy is [almost] *always* better than carrying to term because of the significant reduction in the woman’s morbidity/mortality.
The fact that women choose to have children does not magically poof away the risks they assume.
Effects and risks of pregnancy. Abortion is 20 times safer for the woman than pregnancy is. And I don’t care how allegedly “unsafe” it is for the clump of cells you masturbate over (until it’s birthed, at which point you don’t give a flying fuck about it).
Safer for the woman? Who cares about the woman, amirite? Dumb slut.
Well, yeah. Because she shouldn’t have been having sex while female and fertile.
Now you are just being stupid and lying.
Adoption is not an option in an ectopic pregnancy.
What you are arguing is that both the woman and the fetus dying is better than the woman surviving by having an abortion.
you’ll claim it’s for her own good
Torquemada made similar claims.
Abortion stops a beating heart. Not many people know that, and they should know exactly what they’re killing before they have one. This is all about informed consent.
This seems to imply that killing Dick Cheney while he had his artificial heart would have been allowable.
As a larger point, is the anti-choice focus on the beating heart thing entirely based on the fact that the heart is one of the first things to show up on u/s? I don’t really see a functional circulatory system as part of the essential definitional of being human, nor do I think others would prior to it being really convenient for this one particular argument.
one can have a beating heart, and no brain function. no doubt, the dr. has informed your next of kin all about this.
“Abortion stops a beating heart.”
i guess those dr’s, providing those services to women, wouldn’t know anything about fetal heartbeats and such, and so must have someone like you to make them aware of it. no, that couldn’t possibly be it. the presence of fetal heartbeat is detectable, without an invasive procedure, except in very rare circumstances. so no, this has nothing to do with “informed consent”, and everything to do with making it as difficult as possible, for a woman to have a perfectly legal medical procedure.
the next “logical” step on this path, would be a requirement that a woman hold the aborted cells in her hands, “so she would know what it looked like.” for purposes of “informed consent”, you understand.
“Informed consent” is a term of art, Jenny. It has a specific meaning, and that meaning does not encompass non sequiturs. So know this is not about informed concept, a subject you don’t actually know anything about.
Abortion stops a beating heart. Not many people know that, and they should know … before they have one. This is all about informed consent.
Again I must point out that, on this topic, your fantasy life is irrelevant.
There is no connection between what you imagine pregnant people know and an informed consent is and reality.
Well, except for the odd trans man here and there, pregnant people are all women, and chicks iz st00pid, according to JenBob.
Considering that the majority of abortions in this country are performed on women who already have at least one child, I’d say their’s a good chance the patient is informed already as to just what’s going on up in there when she’s pregnant.
It’s insulting that you think women aren’t capable of making choices about what is best for their own lives and their own families. And that they are too ignorant to know what they are doing when terminating a pregnancy.
I am a mother myself, and both of my pregnancies were planned, but experiencing pregnancy, childbirth, and raising children makes me more committed than ever to make sure every woman has access to abortion and contraception services.
The state should not be controlling pregnant bodies in this way. Is there any other medical procedure for which lawmakers override medical advice and the consent of the patient and mandate unnecessary tests and procedures? This is the state privileging the “rights” of a non-viable, pre-sentient, proto-human over the rights of a living, breathing citizen. In no other context would this kind of intrusion by the state be allowed.
I suspect Buffy has never been a woman either, but he has no problem deciding what they should do with their bodies.
Oh well. What we really need is an alien invasion so the usual scapegoats can get a break from the Republican hate go-round. Cute, fluffy aliens, that is. If they’re big and scary the Repubs will blame the usual scapegoats for their arrival.
So long as they implant themselves in Republican abdominal cavities and emerge like they did in the movies, I don’t care much what they look like.