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I got nothing against the Giants, but as an associate member of the Detroit diaspora, I gotta cheer for the Tigers in this one. Let this serve as an open thread for Game 1.

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  • bph

    As a member of the Detroit diaspora (one born in a hospital that, of course, no longer exists), I would like to Go Giants!

  • Fighting Words

    Go Giants!!!

    Although I really wish it was an A’s/Giants World Series, I like the Tigers. Unfortunately, it looks like this World Series is going to be one where my team is not the sentimental favorite.

    Also, I really, really wish they would stop showing that damn Kirk Gibson home run from the 1988 World Series.

    • I like the fact that the media narrative was that Detroit was invincible (not so much at the moment!). The Braves, Phillies and Rangers were all supposed to clobber the Giants in 2010.

      • Fighting Words

        Oh my God. To hear Joe Buck and Tim McCarver talk about Justin Verlander before the game…you would think he cures cancer with his tears or something.

        • Uncle Ebeneezer

          Yeah, that was pretty unbearable. All the pre-game gushing was Verlander & Cabrera, then some other guy steps up and hits 3 home runs!!…which will now be mentioned 5-10 times per game for the rest of the series.

        • Anderson

          Well, we could’ve tested that hypothesis after last night’s game.

  • Moxiequz

    Ahem. Go Giants.

  • So not John Quiggin or anyone else from CT

    It makes obvious sense that LGM and especially Farley would be rooting for Ty Cobb’s team…

    • rea

      The 11-year old rea, then a Dodger fan living in LA, got to see Juan Marichal take a bat to the head of John Roseboro. The much older rea, now a Tiger fan, wonders where any Giant fan gets off passing sneering remarks about Ty Cobb . . .

  • howard

    What deal with fate (or abner doubleday) has zito signed? How has he suddenly turned effective?

    • bph

      Apparently he stole something from Verlander….

    • Sherm

      Smoke and mirrors.

      • allium

        Lewisite and lasers.

    • TT

      If you’d told me during spring training that Barry Frigging Zito would save the Giants’ season with a masterful start in Game 5 of the NLCS, and then go on to not only make Cabrera and Prince look like minor leaguers but completely out-duel Verlander in Game 1 of the WS, I’d have drowned you and then burned you at the stake for practicing witchcraft.

      • John

        Wouldn’t you be doing the drowning and burning now? At the time you’d have merely laughed at the person being a moron.

        • djangermats

          Arguing with a witchfinder? WITCH SPOTTED BURN THE WITCH

    • Joe

      Joe Janish of Mets Blog explained that he worked with a special trainer and fixed his pitching motion after someone screwed it up.

  • Raesonable 4ce

    Verlander doesn’t have it tonight …

    • Kurzleg

      After throwing 121, 122 and 132 pitches in his last three starts, I’m not at all surprised. Everyone has limits.

      • That’s just modern stat-geek tomfoolery.

        It’s all about True Grit!

  • Jim Lynch

    What on earth was Leland thinking, sending his pitching coach out to interrupt Verlander?

  • Joe

    Okay, it’s midnight, time for the Giants to get back to earth. They are supposed to act like this in Game 4 or so.

  • I have lost my ability to can.

    Barry Zito has pitched 5 shutout innings against Justin “Greatest Pitcher On Earth” Verlander. He has knocked in a run.

    This is all Barry Zito’s Bizarro World. We’re just living in it.

  • Also, Pablo Sandoval.

  • I also never understood why the tigers were favored. The Giants had a significantly netter record, despite coasting the last ten days of the season. They also have a deeper pitching staff.

    But what is happening today: east coast team flies to west coast to play team on fire. Not a chance.

    • JKTHs

      I didn’t either. I thought the Giants would won.

  • I might add that Verlander has nothing on Matt Cain, who only pitched a perfect game this year.

    • Sherm

      And Phil Humber is better than verlander as well, right? Verlander is much better than Cain.

      • We saw that at the all-star game.

        • John

          Yes, because a single exhibition game where they each pitched a couple of innings is the best way to measure the talents of two pitchers. Come on.

          Verlander: 238.1 IP, 2.64 ERA, 1.057 WHIP, 239 SO, 60 BB, 3.31 xFIP, 6.8 fWAR

          Cain: 219.1 IP, 2.79 ERA, 1.173 WHIP, 193 SO, 51 BB, 3.82 xFIP, 3.8 fWAR

          They’re both good, but Verlander looks measurably better to me – especially on the advanced stats, but Verlander is better on most of the regular stats as well.

          • I wasn’t serious John. I understand the all-star game isn’t real.

            tonight however…

  • FMguru

    If you’re going to pick a game to hit three HRs in a row, a World Series match against the other team’s ace is an excellent choice. Well done, Panda.

  • That looked like the old Lincecum in the 7th. 1-2-3.

    • Sherm

      It’s nice to see him throwing well again

      • They let him bat. Must be feeling good.

        • He did it again, and struck out Cabrera.

  • jeer9

    The Tigers may win this thing, but if I’m a betting man I’m not picking against the team that has won six straight elimination games. That’s a serious sense of destiny.

  • Did I mention that the AL isn’t baseball.

    Go Giants!

    Planet Zito and Posey.

    You’ll see.

    C

    • c u n d gulag

      Im a Yankee fan, and I hate the damn DH.

      But what I hate even more, is that after 40 years, the leagues still play two different games.

      Jayzoos H. Keerist in a batting cage for the first time since the interleague games, can’t they finally come to consensus?

      One way, or the other!

      It’s as if we decided to have “The Superest Bowl” for the championship of North America. And when in Canada, our champion had to follow their rules on their fields, and when the game is in America, their champion would have to follow our rules on our fields.

      And, the NL will never change – they’re not paying some over-the-hill moose tens of millions of dollars a year to hopefully hit somewhere around 30 HR’s, and knock in over 90.

      On the other hand, watching pitchers hit is like watching Timmeh Teabow try to throw. Good hitting pitchers like Gibson, Drysdale, and Earl Wilson, are few and far between.

      Still, I’d say, eliminate the DH. The NL game is more nuanced.

      • Offsides

        I’d prefer a model where a DH is allowed but the batter always has to be an active pitcher – with some minimum innings-pitched requirement such as “at least 5 innings over the last 7 games” or something.

        This way every batter has to play the field, but the worst hitting pitchers don’t clog up the plate.

        • Linnaeus

          Something like this could work. I can understand why some fans don’t like the DH, but at the same time, it would be nice to have a lineup that features nine actual hitters. Granted, there are occasional exceptions (like Zito last night), but most of the time, it seems like the pitcher in the lineup is a free out.

          • I didn’t care either way when I first started watching baseball. After watching the Giants for years, I finally understand why people don’t like the DH. It’s like playing the game on Easy mode.

            The pitcher isn’t necessarily a free out, and if you pitch to him like it is, you’re eventually going to get burned. The Giants gave up home runs to pitchers in several games. Our pitchers also hit a couple, so you just can’t assume that it’s a free out.

            The other thing is that it totally changes the strategy of the game. NL lineups have a certain structure: the leadoff guys, the big bats, the guys who are in there for their gloves, and the pitcher. When your pitcher has to come out, you usually have to do a double switch and take someone else out, so you can’t necessarily pull just anyone off the bench. If Hector Sanchez comes in to pinch hit, then he has to catch the next half-inning. Posey’s going to be at first, Belt will be on the bench, and Bochy’s trading what he hopes will be an offensive upgrade for a likely defensive downgrade.

            And that’s not just a double-switch thing. The Tigers defense was hurt last night because Delmon Young had to actually play in the field. The Giants have Gregor Blanco in left and take the offensive hit in exchange for having a brilliant outfielder.

            • Linnaeus

              That’s a fair argument. I guess a lot of anti-DH sentiment has struck me as knee-jerk traditionalism.

      • The DH remains because of the players union. Cognitive dissonance at LGM.

  • Since I don’t have a team in this, I just want a seven game series. I hope it isn’t a “Tigers lost their edge with the long layoff while Giants stayed hot.”

  • Marek

    Clearly, the box score shows that Zito is better than Verlander.

    You just can’t predict baseball, Suzyn!

  • Whatever it is, it’s fucking horrible.

  • Stag Party Palin

    For the Chronicle, a headline (and you’d better use it, you f$%^&*(rs!)

    Panda-Monium!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Different John

    Nothing like pulling Lincecum when he’s pitching well and micromanaging the 9th with an 8-1 (now 3) lead… did I miss something while I was getting a beer?

    • Normally I’m not a fan of Bochy’s overmanaging, but I think this was a good call. We may need Timmy tomorrow if MadBum implodes.

  • jeer9

    If you thought the Giants were hot, don’t miss Colbert. He was on fire tonight. Brilliant stuff.

    • Joe

      Will check it out but his Cuomo/pot thing & more the other night was pretty hot too.

      • Joe

        Okay. But, the pot episode was funnier. The thing with him going around pretending to be FOX went too long and the Trump thing was a tad tasteless. Hope his 91 year old mom wasn’t watching.

  • I want to root for Los Tigres — and indeed, I had planned to — as I am extremely pleased about the way that they violently swept the Yankees, hard, out of contention.

    However, I’m just feeling the Giants. Also: Scutaro.

  • cpinva

    the nats and yankees aren’t in it. meh!

    • Avattoir

      Is that “meh” as in “yay”? At least for the Yanquis, yes no?

      • cpinva

        no, that was “meh” as in, who cares? if neither the nats or yankees are in it, it’s just a bunch of also-rans, pretending to be big leaguers.

        • Bob Loblaw

          RIght. The Yankees and Nats are the best teams evah. Except for all those times when they’re not.

  • the fox coverage is abysmal. with all of the baseball games shown on the tee vee every year, there is no excuse for having the world series broadcast by those clowns. the inventor of the mute button should get some sort of stipend or cash award.

    • Offsides

      I don’t get Joe Buck at all. He has a deep voice, yes, but he frequently errors in normal calls and when he diverts into opinions his neanderthal streak, including latent racism, comes out.

      All I can figure is that his position as the top Fox announcer is another case of wingnut neopotism, like Russert (whose daddy was the favorite of Jack Welch) or Goldberg or Kristol. It’s clear he’s far to the right of Reagan politically.

  • laura

    Go Giants!

    • laura

      (actually I don’t give a shit, but I want to root for the team whose fans have voted for Nancy Pelsoi, plus the pitcher with the long hair is intense. I like watching him get people to swing at balls in the dirt.)

      • Avattoir

        Little Timmeh Lincecum, the actually average sized human pothead from northern Washington state.

        That thing about pitching from the stretch seems to be working. It also worked in the prior series when he came in from the ‘pen, but he went away from it in the one game he started?

        • c u n d gulag

          Don Larson pitched out of the stretch – and ‘the imperfect man threw a perfect game.’

  • The highlight of the game was listening to the radio with Kruk and Kuip on KNBR explaining Zito’s ‘magic swing’ as described by Bruce Jenkins: just like a guy on the beach sweeping the sand with a metal detector. Which was immediately followed by his RBI single.

    Zito teed it up and The Panda knocked it out of the park. What a demoralizing loss for the Tigers. Long way to go, but the Giants in their last two post seasons have taken on Halladay, Lee, Oswalt, Hamels, Carpenter, Verlander without too much damage, which bodes well. A win in game two may just put this thing out of reach. With Cain still to pitch.

    • rea

      What a demoralizing loss for the Tigers.

      I’m old enough to remember Game 1 of ’68, in which (1) Tigers’ ace, a 31 (not a typo) game winner that year, got pounded, and (2) the Cardinals pitcher struck out 17, and (3) nobody got demoralized. The Tigers have lost before–they’re big boys capable of coping. See also Game 1 1945–Cubs 9, Tigers 0.

      Leyland excerpts: “I’m not going to get too excited.” “We just got beat. ” “I’ve been around long enough to know a lot of things happen in this game.” “I want to give the Giants’ hitters credit, I’m not going to take anything away from them.” “Tomorrow’s another day” “Momentum is your next day’s starting pitcher.”

      • advocatethis

        Your overall point about the Tigers not getting demoralized is valid, as history shows, but your specifically citing Tigers history from ’45 and ’68 just seems silly. I know this is how sports analysis is done by the big boys, like McCarver and Buck, but in the real world we realize there is no real connection between the Tigers of the forties and sixties and the fellows out there today.

        • Avattoir

          Per as usual, most of the actually interesting observations were of the losing side we see too little. Best moments mostly Verlander: regal, huge, so fit the uniform really is one, near psycho focus, no effort to contain his contempt when his pitching coach came to the mound just before Panda’s second homer, understated “wow” as the ball carried out, after being pulled then his menacing presence rest of the night up gnawing on the top rail in the dugout glaring, snapping at his leash, suppressing LOSING it, pitbull back from a too-short walk.

        • rea

          Well, (1) no, I don’t mean to imply that there will be no demoralization because the same guys came back to win in ’68 or ’45. I just meant that losing the first game isn’t necessarily demoralizing. I could have used examples involving teams other than the Tigers, but those were just the ones that came to mind. (2) “No real connection” with the ’68 team is a bit strong, given that Al Kaline has worked intensively with several current Tigers, notably Avisail Garcia.

          • I think even more than the Tigers being demoralized, the Giants are going to have to be careful not to get too cocky. It’s only one game. That said, I wouldn’t have been surprised if the Tigers had bought into a little of the narrative that said the Giants shouldn’t even bother to show up because Verlander was going to steamroller us.

          • advocatethis

            Now why, of all the names you could have thrown out there, did it have to be Al Kaline (aside from him actually being relevant to your point I mean)? I have had an irrationial love for the concept of Al Kaline since I was a kid. 399 home runs (no, not 400!), without ever hitting more than 29 in a season. Career high – exactly 200 hits. Never played in the minors. Best right fielder of his generation (sorry Clemente fans). If you wanted to create a fictional baseball player who was great but not unbelieveably so, you’d come up with Al Kaline.

      • First off – “Long way to go” clearly recognizes that my own team has just won 6 consecutive elimination games and it would be foolish to think that the Tigers are not capable of the same resiliency.

        Second, lots of behavior uncharacteristic of a winning attitude exhibited by the Tigers in the game. From Verlander’s ‘what the hell are you doing out here’ to Valverde’s death march out to the bullpen that preceded his uninspired performance in the game itself.

        They looked a little unglued. Maybe it’s just the time zone change.

        • Jim Lynch

          I recall the Tigers being down 3-1 in the ’68 Series. Detroit had MLB’s last 30 game winner in Denny McClain as their ace, but it was pitcher Mickey Lolich who brought home the bacon. I think Lolich won 3 games that series, including game 7.

    • Ed

      …the Giants in their last two post seasons have taken on Halladay, Lee, Oswalt, Hamels, Carpenter, Verlander without too much damage, which bodes well.

      Especially given the huge turnover in the Giants offense-hardly anyone there from the 2010 team. It’s only one game, but the Tigers really needed to win it. Unless they can come back strong tonight they’re probably toast.

  • T. Paine

    All I know is I’m glad the Yankees aren’t there.

  • Linnaeus

    As a member of the Detroit diaspora myself, I am certainly cheering for the Tigers, but I’m not feeling good after this game. I expected a split, but this was the game I thought they’d win. Now Fister’s gotta come up big and the Tigers’ bats need to get to work.

    • Yeah. When it was 6-0 I was feeling worse about the 0 than I was about the 6.

    • Joe

      I guess one out of two isn’t bad. Kinda.

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