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It’s totally absurd to be thinking about who the Democrats will nominate for the presidency in 2016, yet for politically-minded people, it’s almost inevitable. That includes me. I’ve spent way too much time thinking about the different possibilities and who I would support among them (leaning toward Gillibrand at this time, but that could easily change). One person bandied around is Martin O’Malley, the governor of Maryland. He seems uninspiring to me, not to mention that he is Tommy Carcetti. And while I wouldn’t want to overstate the importance of this report showing O’Malley to be a hack for Maryland’s powerful poultry industry, that’s not because it’s not bad, it’s because I don’t think enough people will care. Still, this is fairly damning and certainly doesn’t give me any hope that an O’Malley presidency would accomplish anything positive for environmental or food issues, nor stand up to influential capitalists.

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  • Davis

    Well, he is the only governor I know of who is pushing for a tax increase. He also has pissed off developers by reinstating Smart Growth policies that Ehrilch abandoned. I’m a Marylander, and I voted for him, but he’s not particularly likable. Ehrlich is detestable, though.

    • Sharon

      I liked Martin as Mayor. When he was mayor, he wasn’t obviously corrupt, and he instituted City/Crime Stat. As a city resident, being able to pull up recent neighborhood burglaries, assaults, etc. on your laptop, or actually get the DPW to pick up your bulk-trash was a value added service in a city with few services.

      His band is OK for a bar band and I run into Martin and his wife in our local dive bar every once in a while. He’s actually very gracious to some of my friends who used to crew The Wire. (Step right up. Have your picture taken wearing Omar’s trenchcoat!)

      • Jim

        Your local dive isn’t Mick O’Shea’s, right? I’d heard he was no longer an occasional-regular there.

        • Sharon

          No, it’s The Mount Royal Tavern, The Dirt Church. The story is that He and his wife had their first date there, so they stop in on their anniversary. He also drops by on very random evenings after B’more related events. Not a regular, but not a total stranger.

          Jeeze Mick O’Shae’s is a palace compared to the Tav. (all written while happily using MICA’s wi-fi)

          • Jim

            I used to, on very very rare occasions, run into him in my gym locker room.

      • Richard Hershberger

        I moved to Maryland, but not Baltimore, when he was mayor. I first became aware of him during a hurricane (umm…, Isabelle?). The city had set up dry ice distribution points due to power outages, but they ran out. I watched an impromptu local television news conference where this burly guy went in front of the cameras and explained the bad news that they were out, and they weren’t getting more. I didn’t know who he was at first. It didn’t occur to me that a politician would voluntarily give bad news in a straightforward way with no bullshitting. Only later did I figure out that it was O’Malley. So in other words, from the first time I became aware of him, I have liked him.

  • Barry Freed

    My fear is it will be Andrew fucking Cuomo.

    • I just think there’s no way the base allows this to happen. Cuomo does have the gay marriage thing in his favor, but every Democrat is going to support this in 2016.

      • Pseudonym

        “Supporting” is not the same as “enacting” however.

        • John

          I know this is hard for people outside New York to understand, but nobody outside New York really cares enough about the distinction for it to matter. (O’Malley also enacted gay marriage, btw).

      • Walt

        That’s because you have not learned to embrace despair, Erik. I’m assuming Cuomo is inevitable.

        • Davis X. Machina

          By then, Afghanistan’s just a footnote, and Iraq barely a memory.

          Cuomo’s just the person we need to successfully prosecute the war against America’s real enemies — public employees.

          I see no reason why we need to let the GOP get out ahead of us on this one.

        • John

          The last time a New York politician won a major party presidential nomination was Thomas Dewey in 1948. New Yorkers constantly vastly overrate the national viability of their governors and mayors.

          • Jesse Ewiak

            Rockefeller was basically a divorce away from being the nominee. If the elder Cuomo would’ve ran in ’88 or ’92, he likely would’ve won the nomination. That’s like half the time period since 1948.

            • Malaclypse

              And RFK was, well, a bullet away, alas.

            • Anderson

              Ooh! I want to play!

              May I name the Mississippians who would’ve been presidential candidates, had facts been different from what they were in reality/

              • Jesse Ewiak

                I’m just saying, the high opinions New Yorkers had about their Governor’s was realistic for half the time.

                But, anybody who ever thought George Pataki would ever be President can be called a moron.

                • John

                  I’m a little bit dubious that Nelson Rockefeller’s chances were ever as high as people thought they were. His loss in 1964 wasn’t actually all that close; plus, the conservative wing of the party was united behind Goldwater while the moderate wing would have never been united behind Rockefeller, even without the divorce.

                  And the fact that Cuomo the Elder never even bothered to run suggests to me that he didn’t come all that close to being president.

                  I’d add that New Yorkers also have a tendency to see their *mayors* as potential presidential candidates, and none of those that I’m aware of has ever mounted a serious campaign – Lindsay and Giuliani’s campaigns were total fiascoes, and the intermittent hopes that are expressed about Bloomberg (and that I believe were occasionally expressed in the past about Ed Koch) are just absurd.

                • Murc

                  I would like to note as a New Yorker that a lot of the supposed enthusiasm surrounding our woefully unqualified Mayors and Governors has been Americans Elect-style; top-down and pundit-driven.

                  Not a lot of people actually in this state took seriously the idea that George Pataki or Rudy could ever be President.

            • Pseudonym

              And if only FDR had stayed alive, he’d still be president today.

              • Bill Murray

                or if he had started that zombie warrior program a few years earlier

    • Murc

      As a proud New York Democrat, allow me to say, with the utmost respect: fuck Andrew Cuomo.

      I didn’t vote for him for Governor, I will not vote for him in a primary, and in the event he is ever the Democratic nominee I will not vote for him for President no matter who he runs against. Maybe this makes me an irresponsible citizen, I don’t care. There are bridges too far for me and Andrew Cuomo is one of’em.

  • Josh G.

    The 2016 presidential election is one reason why it’s important for Elizabeth Warren to win her Senate race this year.

    • Pseudonym

      Because of Warren or because of Brown?

      • Josh G.

        Well, actually, both.

        • Tybalt

          Brown would be a fine general candidate for the Republicans in 2016, but I don’t think he can win the nomination if Romney loses this year.

          • Tybalt

            …and of course if Romney wins, there won’t be a 2016 election.

  • Jesse Ewiak

    My personal choice is Sherrod Brown. An unlikely choice unfortunately is Gillibrand. Hopefully, it’s not one of the unholy trio of Cuomo, Warner, and Hickenlooper. Or Hillary could decide to just run in ’16 and crush everybody.

    • rea

      Hillary, not to mention Biden, will be too old.

      • Pseudonym

        And Malia, not to mention Sasha, will be too young.

      • Why would she be too old? She would be younger than McCain or Reagan when they ran.

        • rea

          In other words, she’d be the oldest not obviously senile person ever to run for the presidency.

          • Pseudonym

            To be fair, as a woman she’s statistically likely to have more time left before senility than comparably aged men. On the other hand, that leaves us with the possibility of dealing with an increasingly senile First Spouse.

            • njorl

              Oh I’m sure she’d have him killed long before that becomes a problem.

              • elm

                The headline I saw on one of the tabloids at the checkout line yesterday claims that Bill is on his deathbed and Hillary has left him for a woman. So, Bill’s age shouldn’t be an issue by 2016.

                • Ruviana

                  This must be why Bill was speaking at the Pete Petersen Fiscal Summit.

                • Bill Murray

                  Maybe they messed up whose deathbed BC was on.

  • Pseudonym

    For some reason, I find the prospect of judging prospective presidents on their positions on the poultry industry rather amusing. Then again, the omniscient wiki claims that Bill Clinton is now a vegan.

    • I heard that, he went vegetarian after his heart attack.

      • DocAmazing

        You know who else was a vegetarian?
        /goof

        • rea

          On the other hand, you know who notoriously had close ties to Tyson Foods, the big chicken producer?

          • Bill Murray

            Mike Tyson?

      • Anderson

        He just tells the interns that’s why he can’t eat pussy. [gong!]

  • I don’t know that this is really that illuminating. Aside from the fact that state government in general always tends to be pretty close to their state’s major industries, it’s not like the location in Delmarva was an accident. Setting up shop there gives the companies three state governments to play off of one another, and though the Bay is a major issue locally, the biggest problem is that it’s a collective action problem. Maryland enacting tougher rules won’t do anything if Virginia fucks everything up, as per usual.

    • The bigger problem here is actually consulting with the ag companies to see what they need from the MD Dept of Agriculture.

      • That doesn’t seem all that shocking to me, really, because, again, you’ve got the lawyer more or less pulling the “Delaware and Virginia” (off topic, I swear this place could be a borderline paradise if it weren’t wedged between a crazy state and a parasite)that prompted the remark from O’Malley in the first place.

        Anyway, I’m just saying that I’m not sure how much you can really learn about a Presidential candidate based on the way he handles major industries as a governor.

        • It’s not shocking or even surprising. But it is notable.

          • That a governor acts like a governor?

            • Bill Murray

              The Governor acts like an advertising exec

              • The Fool

                So…like a governor, then?

                • Yep, basically. To be clear, it’s not like that’s a good thing, and as a general rule I think state government as a whole is pretty consistently awful, I’m just saying you shouldn’t be surprised or even necessarily outraged when state government officials behave like state government officials, and that certainly includes maintaining very close ties to the major employers in the state.

                  The Bay is a bit of a different matter but, again, the big problem there is that Maryland can’t address the issue on its own. You need an agreed upon plan with all of the surrounding states, one of which happens to be crazy Virginia.

        • L.M.

          I was shocked to learn that Delaware is a death penalty jurisdiction, if only because I assumed that no one actually lived there in the first place. I mean, what do they do? Cut up credit cards?

          • Charlie

            They make Dogfish Head beer. Show some respect.

  • Sullivan Hyde

    I know Secretaries of Labor don’t have the best track record in primaries, but I’d like to see Hilda Solis give it a shot.

    • mark f

      Have any besides Elizabeth Dole even tried?

      • Sullivan Hyde

        Lynne Martin in ’96. HOW COULD YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN!??!?

        • mark f

          Ah, that was a busy primary for former secretaries of low-profile cabinet departments. Who among us was not overwhelmed by Lamar!mentum?

          • Malaclypse

            Alexander Beats Clinton!

  • njorl

    Once O’Malley’s term as governor is up, he’ll run for Mikulski’s senate seat. She’s probably delaying retirement just so O’Malley can take her place. He won’t forego a reasonably sure thing for an extremely unlikely presidential run.

    One thing I would like to see, though, is a president with experience as a big city mayor (O’Malley was mayor of Baltimore). It’s unlikely to happen. Mayors need to do things that matter, and that is bad for political ambitions.

    • david mizner

      Rahm?

      • rea

        Spiro?

        • Mark Fs Elect

          The country is yearning for Dick

          Lugar.

      • Joel Patterson

        Heck, no. Rahm will not do. I am sure that various people like Jonathan Alter and “Democratic” billionaires love Rahm, but the man will not do as a nominee for President.

    • Warren Terra

      Fire-defying Superhero Corey Booker?

      (Don’t actually know much about him. But he seems popular …)

      • Joel Patterson

        Booker might do.

      • agorabum

        He’s more of a 2020 / 2024 guy. Probably after he becomes Governor of NJ.

    • jsmdlawyer

      Dude, this is 50 shades of wrong. You obviously don’t live here. (1) Mikulski’s term isn’t up until 2016. (2) O’Malley’s term is up in 2014. (3) Mikulski’s not leaving the Senate until they carry her out. (4) Chris Van Hollen, John Sarbanes, Donna Edwards and a cast of thousands aren’t going to just let O’Malley have a Senate seat.

      • njorl

        Van Hollen wants to be house speaker. The others won’t step aside for O’Malley, they will be trounced in a primary by him.

        Mikulski will be 80 in 2016. O’Malley has been her protege. The rumor was she would have stepped down last time if Dems had anyone other than O’Malley who would beat Erlich easily in the govornor’s race.

    • Joe Kopena

      On that note, Ed Rendell seems plausible though he’s less visible than a few years ago. That’s assuming he doesn’t get arrested over the MEK debacle.

      • JoyfulA

        Ed dumped his wife, the federal judge, for a quite young younger model. He’s a big Alito supporter and personal friend because the Rendells and the Alitos spent a lot of time together in the Virgin Islands. Ed’s on national TV a lot, saying things that would be a feast for opposition research. And other stuff.

        • njorl

          He’s always been a bit reckless. Coaxing fans to throw snowballs at the visitors bench at Eagles’ games doesn’t seem very presidential.

  • david mizner

    Like Van Jones, I’m-on-the-Obama-in-16 bandwagon.

    https://twitter.com/#!/VanJones68/status/124187044904845312

    If we can’t manage to arrange an illegal third term for him, I’d opt for Sherrod Brown, Elizabeth Warren, or, my longshot fave, Hilda Solis.

    • Anderson

      Right. If the GOP is effectively conceding we’re in the throes of a socialist dictatorship anyway, why not elect him to a third term?

      I admit, I would prefer to nominate a *Democrat* in 2016, but beggars can’t be choosers.

    • Jay C

      Or maybe Obama can pull a George Wallace move and nominate Michelle in ’16! We can save the government money by the family not having to move….

      • Charlie

        Oh yeah, uh George Wallace did that… it’s not at all like what a more recent nationally known political couple attempted…

    • considering the time traveling, multiple birth certificate forgeries, and multiple fathers, engineering a third term, whether legal or illegal, shouldn’t be a problem for the Black Superman.

  • njorl

    I think the much more interesting question is who will lead the Democratic House caucus after Pelosi. Hoyer is even older than she is, and Clyburn is only 6 months younger.

    If Democrats don’t retake the House in 2012, it is very unlikely that they would retake it in 2014. I don’t think Pelosi wants to spend 4 more years as minority leader.

    • Wait, if they don’t take it in 2012, presumably that means a Romney Presidency. Given the historical trends in American politics, wouldn’t that make it more likely that they take the House in 2014?

      • njorl

        There is a very good chance that Obama could win without the Democrats retaking the house. I’d go as far as saying it is the most likely result in November.

        In addition, the increasing age-polarization of the parties favors Republicans in off-year elections.

        • I don’t know, I would think that Obama winning but losing the Senate anyway is more likely than him winning but failing to re-take the House.

          • avoidswork

            I’m terrified that even if Obama wins 2012 (i am a pessimist of the vein “Americans are f*cking stupid”), we could lose the Senate and suffer more in the House.

            Democrats really do need to up their game on the state/local elections and go after the House and Senate races.

            Take MA for an example: Scott “Cosmopolitan” Brown vs. Elizabeth Warren. Despite “It’s the economy, stupid!” proclamations, people may still elect f*cking Scott Brown. Seriously?!

            And with some states seeming like a loss…I fear we are slowly creeping towards making the film “Idiocracy” prophetic.

      • bobbyp

        past performance is no guarantee of future returns outcomes……..

    • ScottC

      True, Hoyer and Clyburn are quite old – so, Van Hollen or Larson?

      • John

        Van Hollen is being groomed for it.

  • Malaclypse

    You all are thinking too small. Draft Chairman Bob.

    • Incontinentia Buttocks

      Mao More Than Ever!

      (In the meantime, here’s another video of an attractive activist reading from BAsics.)

      • Malaclypse

        an attractive activist

        I believe that the Jenny McCarthy thread demands that I now denounce you as a Typical Male.

        • Anonymous

          No, most men don’t do that sort of thing, hence that thread.

  • Pseudonym

    First, let me observe that a substantial percentage of the LGM facebook posts have this as their snippets:

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    On that note, who’s willing to offer some real odds? So far I only see a few candidates:
    – Hillary Clinton
    – Joe Biden
    – Martin O’Malley
    – Kirsten Gillibrand
    – Sherrod Brown
    – John Hinkenlooper
    – Andrew “fucking” Cuomo
    – Mark Warner
    – Hilda Solis
    – Elizabeth Warren(?)
    – Tommy Carcetti
    – Erik Loomis
    – Adolf Hitler

    • bobbyp

      -Gus Hall

      • Pseudonym

        I thought that was just one of Erik’s aliases…

        • Bill Murray

          in addition to Eugene Debs

          • Joel Patterson

            he also goes by “Amanda Huggenkiss”

            • Furious Jorge

              And “Ollie Tabooger.”

              • njorl

                …Phil McCracken

  • Jim Lynch

    O’Malley? He’ll never carry Brooklyn.

    • Colin Day

      They’re still bitter about the Dodgers?

  • Incontinentia Buttocks

    I do think that we ought to be framing this question in terms of finding a reasonably progressive candidate to draft and get behind rather than sitting on the sidelines and just handicapping the race. There’ll be any number of politically similar candidates from the Clinton-Obama wing of the party who’ll essentially be competing over questions of political style. What’s not clear is whether there will be a serious choice available to their left.

    • avoidswork

      Let’s focus now on 2012, then 2014.

      A few years ago, it seemed like Hillary had it in the bag. Then BOOM, Barack Obama swaggered in and HRC faded away.

      Honestly, anything can happen in two years. Anything.

      • Pseudonym

        HRC was an obvious candidate since 2000. Obama was on the radar since 2004, as was Edwards for that matter. Does anyone have that level of profile this year?

        • Jim

          Well, Edwards still has a pretty high profile at the moment.

          • Tybalt

            He’s tanned, rested and ready!

            • Jim

              After, what, 8-10 months pumping iron he should be back to his fighting weight.

        • Warren Terra

          You may have noticed that the GOP held the white house when Hullary’s name was being bruited about in 2001, and when Edwards and Obama were being talked about in 2004/2005. There’s less discussion about the next Presidential nominee now because the Democratic Party isn’t seeking a figure behind which it can rally and take the Presidency, it’s seeking to reelect the President it’s got.

          • Pseudonym

            I understand why there’s less discussion. That’s why I’m trying to encourage more discussion. I would like to know more about the field of possibilities. GHW Bush in 88 and Gore in 2000 were obvious choices as VPs and runners-up. McCain was the runner-up in 2000 and thus heir presumptive in 2008, Cheney lacking viability in both political career and heart. Likewise, Romney was runner-up in 2008. On the other hand, I don’t know how many would have predicted Dukakis, Clinton, Dole, Shrub, Kerry (or Dean), or Obama four years ahead of time.

            • Jesse Ewiak

              Um, Dubya was being puffed up as a future POTUS as soon as he beat Ann Richards in ’94.

              • Pseudonym

                That’s why I said I don’t know. I confess that I wasn’t paying much attention back then, being 13 at the time.

                • Warren Terra

                  To get a handle on national politics of the late-80s to early 90s, and just because they’re so much fun, I recommend you read Molly Ivins’s books of collected essays, especially the older ones.

                • Pseudonym

                  Yeah, that’s where I picked up the Shrub moniker. It’s been a long time though. Plus, back in high school I was one of the founding officers of the Teen-Age Republicans club. It was a youthful indiscretion and what counted for rebellion at the time, and besides, the kerning on the evidence is all wrong.

                • Pseudonym

                  And I swear I closed that tag. When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal syntax.

            • Warren Terra

              Clinton was the anointed standardbearer of the DLC (back when people thought The New Republic supported Democrats, and when the DLC was not a well-known object of hate) long before 1992 – including a highly promoted (and somewhat disastrously boring) prime-time speaking opportunity at the 1988 convention.

              And Dole was so obviously the 1996 nominee that he might as well have run unopposed for the nomination (the other people that year – Steve Forbes, Lamar Alexander, and Phil Gramm iirc – were a far-from-compelling mix of has-beens and never-were’s).

              I suspect that Dukakis was also a fairly hot prospect before 1988, “Massachusetts Miracle” and all that.

              The only ones on your list that weren’t completely predicable 18 months before their nominating conventions are Dean and Kerry. And of those, you’ll note that one in fact didn’t get the nomination, and the other won the nomination entirely on a mix of bland competence and perceived military credentials (war hero, didn’t offend the patriots by voting against the Stupid War).

      • Incontinentia Buttocks

        Wrong answer.

        Or, I guess, it depends on what you want to see from 2016.

        Those who like the Democratic Party the way it is today need not worry about 2016 yet.

        Those who don’t better get working.

        The ’64 Goldwater campaign, which began the transformation of the GOP, essentially began in 1959.

        • Eric

          And arguably didn’t even result in a win until 1980.

    • Pseudonym

      Who would you consider the most recent serious choice available to their left? Serious question, I’m curious.

      • Malaclypse

        Maybe,maybe, maybe Warren. Maybe.

        • Richard

          Right now, she’s tied with Brown in the polls. Assuming she wins, its hard to believe that a Dem who can only beat a Republican in Massachusetts by a very slim margin can become a viable national candidate

          • Jay B.

            If she beats Brown she’ll never have another truly contested election in Massachusetts — she could be senator for the rest of her life.

            Right now, the independents like Brown. Brown is, largely, likable. Like Bill Weld before him. And he’s the incumbent. And he’s got tons of money. He is a very formidable opponent.

            Warren was an unknown a year ago, a distant thought 6 months ago and now a major threat to an incumbent. Yes Massachusetts is a liberal place, but there’s a mindset along the 495 corridor that Democrats shouldn’t run everything. Especially women Democrats.

          • UserGoogol

            Scott Brown has been polling inexplicably well since before Warren even entered the contest, so that’s not necessarily a weakness on her part. Brown’s been able to paint himself as the sort of quasi-moderate Republican that Massachusetts likes voting for from time to time. (Hopefully that’ll change as the campaign continues.)

        • Pseudonym

          Are there substantive issues on which she’s taken a position substantially to the left of Obama? (I’m asking this as someone who’s already contributed a lot to her campaign from across the country.)

          • Malaclypse

            Position page. Consistent with Mistah Charie Pierce’s dictum: Fuck the deficit. People got no jobs. People got no money.

        • Frank

          Sorry to go all thirteen dimensional chess, but didn’t Obama’s initial cabinet draft teach us that perhaps poaching quality Democrats from Senate seats/races is poor short- and medium-term strategy for Democrats and progressive policy? Counterintuitive as it is, MA isn’t actually chock full of top-rate D talent (remember Coakley?), probably because its basically a one-party state. Perhaps best to leave the (presumably) extremely excellent Warren in the seat, than risk putting another B-lister against Brown to fill the seat.

          • Warren Terra

            Um, Coakley Coasted ineptly to a humiliating defeat, but Congresspeople Capuano and Lynch are well regarded as political prospects, among others, and that’s just off the top of my head.

            • Frank

              Capuano is good on policy, but lost to Coakley in the primary. Lynch is certainly a step right from where either he or Warren are; not what you’d want to see from a Massachusetts senator. Both have won reelection essentially unopposed.

          • homunq

            Yeah. Luckily, the Republicans already made the same mistake with McCain, leaving Arizona’s single senate seat vacant for the last 3 years.

  • Bob

    Screw 2012, LGM has already broken out the circular firing squad for 2016. Every candidate a flaw; every commenter a progressive warrior.
    What about 2020, who do you all think will be running then? And in what ways will they fail to live up to your progressive standards? And 2024 – hell, I’d be willing to bet the guesses here would be no worse for 2016 than for 2024.

    • Malaclypse

      You have a good point. I’m totally blaming Loomis when Chairman Bob goes down in defeat.

      • firefall

        I thought we were grooming Erik for the ’32 run?

    • Pseudonym

      It’s just heartbreaking to watch so many promising young candidates for president fall victim to the vagaries of the all-powerful LGM commenter cabal.

      • Bill Murray

        How else as I the chairman of Dakotans for Mal, supposed to get Malaclypse the Dem nomination?

    • Incontinentia Buttocks

      The Party will never recover from what LGM and the other Firebaggers did to Harold Ford!

  • shah8

    You know…

    It’s interesting how there is such an East Coast emphasis…

    With so Dem governers, that pretty much leaves senators as the main contestants for 2016. Most of the notable ones are on the left coast + Feingold. Mebbe we could ignore the Canandian ex governer of Mi, but…

    • Pseudonym

      Well the most you can say for Boxer and Feinstein is that they aren’t Fiorina and… did anyone even run against Feinstein?

      • homunq

        Top two primary, baby. She’s going DOWN to whatsisname (also D) in the general this year!

  • JMG

    Dear Mr. Loomis: Face it. There is NO possible Democratic candidate whose policies on those issues would be yours. That’s regrettable IMO, but it’s also an immutable truth. So what’s your least worst choice?

  • Murc

    Does nobody think Schweitzer might throw his hat into the ring?

    Enormously popular Governor of a western state, tons of political connections (high-flying member of the Western Governors Association, former Chair of the Democratic Governors Association) is weirdly believed by a lot of grass-roots organizations despite the fact that he governs like… well, like you’d expect someone representing Montana to. Additionally, he’s term-limited out in 2013… just in time to take a rest, get his feet under him, maybe spend some time at the DNC, and then float a Presidential run.

    It also makes sense if you assume he wants to continue his political career. Tester is up for re-election the same year Schweitzer is term-limited out, so no help there. Baucus is invincible in Montana; if he retires in 2014 Schweitzer could probably score the open seat easily, but if he goes for another term no way Schweitzer takes him head to head. That leaves trying to unseat Rehberg (and Governors usually view the House as a step down) or seeing if he can make a Presidential run work.

    • Jesse Ewiak

      Actually, a very recent poll showed Schweitzer beating Baucus by ten points in a primary.

      But, there’s enough interviews out there with him that I truly believe Schweitzer truly hates Washington and not just in the folksy kind of way every “outsider” hates Washington. I mean, he is a politician, so he does have an ego, but I think the only way he runs in ’16 if Obama loses in ’12.

      • Murc

        Oh, RIGHT, Baucus is a DEMOCRAT.

        That’s not snark, by the way. I legitimately forgot. That does change my calculus a bit, doesn’t it?

        • Warren Terra

          Schweizer may not be so bad for a Montanan, but as a national Democrat he’s nothing to adore.

          • Murc

            Oh, absolutely. I was just doing the political calculus, not making an, “I would like him to run. Schweitzmentum!” pitch. He just seemed like someone who should be on the radar.

            • The Fool

              Additionally, “Schweitzmentum!” is a really fun word to bandy about.

  • bradp

    While I agree that it raises red flags about what kinda president he will be (a lot of industries with as much to offer as the poultry industry will be trying to cut deals in Washington), if this is what you call “fairly damning” I think I can reserve you a seat in the Government Haters Club.

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