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[ 34 ] May 17, 2011 |

Brief addendum to Scott’s post, which Brad P. also linked:

Guerena, who joined the Marines in 2002 and served two tours in Iraq, was killed just after 9  a.m. May 5. Guerera had just gone to bed after working a 12-hour shift at a local mine when his home was invaded as part of a multi-house crackdown by sheriff’s deputies…

Tucson KGUN’s Joel Waldman says the SWAT team prevented paramedics from going to work on Guerena for one hour and fourteen minutes.

The sheriff’s department maintains that Guerena was holding an AR-15 when the paramilitary force fired 71 bullets in his home, but other key parts of the government story have collapsed. While PCSD initially claimed Guerena fired the weapon he was alleged to have been holding, the department now says it was a misfire by one of the deputies that caused this deadly group panic inside a home containing a woman and a toddler.

 

 

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  1. Some Guy says:

    Reds flag #1: A sheriff gets to call in a SWAT team. Already, this will end badly.

  2. hv says:

    Gun ownership doesn’t look very sexy these days, now that holding a gun when someone breaks into your house is starting to get you dead.

    Isn’t this some kind of de facto restriction on the 2nd Amendment? Wingnuts, let’s get on this!

    • BigHank53 says:

      Pigs will fly through a blizzard in hell before wingnuts defend a man named “Jose Guerena”.

    • Brad P. says:

      Guerena did not fire a shot and his gun had the safety on, deputies said, after initially saying he had fired on the SWAT officers.

      I’d say having a marine with an AR-15 on your block could be one of those externalities that gun rights people are talking about.

      It also should be noted that Guerina had the safety on and was killed when a police officer misfired and the whole crew panicked. So the paramilitary group that invaded that neighborhood probably would have shot him whether he was holding a gun or a baseball bat.

      • Michael H Schneider says:

        would have shot him whether he was holding a gun or a baseball bat half eaten donut.

        FTFY

      • mark f says:

        So the paramilitary group that invaded that neighborhood probably would have shot him whether he was holding a gun or a baseball bat.

        Balloon-Juice had video via Reason of exactly that happening. Middle of the night, guy hears strange noises in his living room, walks out in his underwear with a bat and gets pumped full of bullets. I don’t remember whether he ended up being guilty of having whatever they suspected him of having, but it doesn’t matter either way.

        • mark f says:

          Ok, it was via the Huffington Post instead of Reason, and it was a golf club instead of a baseball bat, but it was at BJ:

          That man was nowhere near a cop, was not given a chance to get on the ground, and they shot him to death.

          • astonishingly dumb hv says:

            We live in a country where a reasonable defense for a cop shooting someone (to death) with their gun instead of their taser is “oops.”

      • Furious Jorge says:

        I’d say having a marine with an AR-15 on your block could be one of those externalities that gun rights people are talking about.

        I don’t know about gun rights people, but it’s one of the externalities I worry about as a gun control advocate. And while I won’t go so far as to say that a hypothetical AR15-owning PTSD-sufferer with a history of shooting his weapon at anything that doesn’t look quite right to him is the last person I’d want living on my block, I will say that he definitely makes the list.

        • Brad P. says:

          I don’t know about gun rights people, but it’s one of the externalities I worry about as a gun control advocate.

          I’m not really a “gun-rights” libertarian, and I really dislike those libertarian types who try to make a point by publicly carrying a gun.

          With that said, I think your characterization is pretty unfair.

      • Guerina had the safety on and was killed when a police officer misfired negligently discharged his weapon and the whole crew panicked.

        Fixed that for you.

    • Simple Mind says:

      Our cops have more license to use firepower than our military. It’s just a question of time before they use tanks and drones. The solution is a national police force (like Italy’s Carabinieri).

      • BKP says:

        That sounds like a very strange solution.

        • Simple Mind says:

          They’re professional, decently paid and not subject to local layoffs. And for all Italy’s faults, the Carabinieri are not trigger-happy.

          • BKP says:

            They’re professional, decently paid and not subject to local layoffs. And for all Italy’s faults, the Carabinieri are not trigger-happy.

            OK, but federal drug enforcement in the country is at least as bad, if not worse, that state and community enforcement, and I see no reason why an American national police force behavior wouldn’t look more like regional police forces.

            And besides, doesn’t the FBI already serve that purpose?

      • Fosco says:

        Whoa, didn’t you see Escape from LA? National police force is the first step.

  3. marc sobel says:

    But I am sure there were drugs reported in the neighborhood.

  4. wengler says:

    That keeping the paramedics out of the picture seems to be pretty close to ‘making sure no one contradicts your story’ territory.

  5. Erik Loomis says:

    With a story like this, the “Share and Enjoy” icon at the end of the post seems bitterly ironic.

    • BigHank53 says:

      “The Sirius Cybernetics Corporation Complaints Division thanks you for your call. All of our associates are busy handling other calls. Your estimated wait time is 11,004 minutes.”

  6. Linkmeister says:

    The Pima County Sheriff’s Department will release no more information about the circumstances surrounding the killing of Jose Guerena during the serving of a search warrant by the department’s SWAT officers May 5 at his home.

    AZ Daily Star, May 17.

  7. Kyle says:

    Arizona. Feel the freedom.

  8. jb says:

    When asked to explain what happened, the spokesperson for the county will say, in no particular order, that mistakes were made, the perp had a weapon, our SWAT team followed the guidelines, an internal investigation is pending. And that we should move along, there’s only the brown people being killed here.

  9. witless chum says:

    In a decent country, the sheriff of Pima County would be resigning and a bunch of his officers would be preparing their criminal defense.

    As someone who’s been reading Radley Balko for years, I’m convinced that breaking into people’s houses with little or no warning a goddamn dangerous thing to do, especially in a heavily-armed country. I can’t believe that people would rather have police and innocent or otherwise civilians die than lose a few drug convictions.

  10. Mike says:

    Unfortunately, this reminds me a lot of the West Point grad gunned down in a Costco parking lot by trigger-happy cops in Las Vegas.oh, they also destroyed the video evidence.

    http://www.lvrj.com/news/slaying-of-army-veteran-shocks-friends-98223884.html

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