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This is the bottom, right?




General practice attorney with more than twenty years of experience is willing to train a small number of recently admitted attorneys, or those awaiting bar results. For a monthly fee, you will be able to shadow the experienced attorney, and learn by watching the day to day practice of law. Observe the following types of proceedings, as they occur; Civil Short Calender motion arguments, foreclosure mediation’s, pre-trial conferences, Workers Compensation and Social Security hearings, real estate closings, discovery proceedings and compliance, research and general office operations. Once admitted to the bar, the goal is to have you handling matters with and eventually without supervision. We reserve the right to limit participation in any or all activities, and all appearances are subject to the client and presiding judges approval. Admitted attorneys will be paid referral fees, if your referred case settles.

Please submit resumes by responding to this ad.

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  • Don

    What took so long? An improvement on indentured servitude; the “servant” pays! Grad school at least has an end out there somewhere.

    • LeeEsq

      They have been doing this pay for internship in Britain for months now but its not with lawyers. Its for jobs with ordinary businesses like the local office supply store and similar things.

  • Stan Gable

    From the picture I assumed that they’d have the interns fight to the death for the opportunity to land a paying job. Not sure if this is better or worse.

  • Randy Paul

    With a pair of balls like that he should be a porno actor.

    • BigHank53

      If he gets a cute enough candidate, I’m sure that offer will be made.

  • Quicksand

    I don’t think this is quite the bottom yet — I don’t see anything there about a minimum contract length or buyout.

    • L2P

      Those exist.

  • DanMulligan

    Hmm… perhaps the next film topic for Spielberg: “Where’s Lincoln Now?”

  • Auguste

    In my previous profession, this was actually fairly common, and it wasn’t just “improve your job prospects”: You were required to do several thousand hours of shadowing as part of the training before becoming professionally licensed, and many ‘masters’ would indeed charge their apprentice to do so. I’m talking up to two years of full-time work, without remuneration and even charging “tuition.”

    • Vance Maverick

      Luthier? Renaissance silversmith? Freudian therapist?

    • KLG

      Physician’s Assistant?

    • Slocum


    • spencer

      Sounds like grad school.

  • Murc

    This is actually very old school.

    We have actually returned to the medieval tradition of apprentices needing to pay a fee to learn from their masters. Five hundred years of advancement in the ways in which we provide and fund education and it’s come back to this.

    The lawyer posting this ad should be subject to professional sanction. If that’s not possible, the rules should be changed such that it is possible in the future. He should at the very least be made a subject of ridicule.

    • Craigo

      I actually think that some sort of apprenticeship could be a viable alternative to the law school model, particularly as law schools aren’t particularly interested in teaching the actual practice of law.

      But without (dischargeable) loans or actual compensation, it’s just indentured servitude.

      • Warren Terra

        Didn’t we actually have apprenticeship as a route to a legal career in this country, not all that long ago? I recall from reading Caro on LBJ that LBJ considered becoming a lawyer by such a route, in a state that did not require a law degree to pass the bar.

        • It’s still legal in some states, but obviously it’s just not the done thing anymore.

          • john

            California allows it, not sure how many people have actually gone that route though.

            • not many

              roughly 560 have started LOSP since 1980 and about 75 have finished and passed the bar

            • JoyfulA

              Some dentists do, I’ve heard.

              • Heh.

                IIRC, Taitz didn’t go the apprentice route. She went to an ABA un-accredited school.

          • BlueLoom

            Virginia still allows it.

            • The Dark Avenger

              It can be done in California, but not easily.

    • Linnaeus

      I love the smell of neofeudalism in the morning. Or neomanorialism if you prefer.

      Either way, it appears that I wasn’t far off when I joked with some friends a few months ago that pretty soon, employment will be considered a gift that our new lords allow us to have and for which we’ll have to pay for the privilege.

    • LeeEsq

      No, medieval apprentices had a better deal. Medieval masters were required to provide lodging and food and actually had to educate them in the trade. Modern day masters have no such obligation and don’t even have to really educate you. You get to pay for the privilege of making copies and getting coffee.

  • commie atheist

    Spartacus is a bottom?

    • RedSquareBear

      I am, Sparticus!

    • Barry Freed

      No, but Marcus Licinius Crassus probably is.

      • Timurid

        He did end up under a big pile of Persians…

        • sibusisodan

          Sniff. Tragic rug-slippage accidents always make me emotional.

  • Spoffin

    Betcha its not the bottom. Betcha there’s still a long way down. Betcha 12 months of that monthly fee.

  • Linnaeus

    I wonder if one of the things you’ll pay this attorney for is the opportunity to copy edit the ads she/he posts.

    • Phoenix Rising

      No, but the apprentice will replenish the stock of apostrophes on the master’s desk, at appropriate intervals. So he doesn’t run out at an inopportune moment.

      • Phoenix Rising

        May I also say, how cynical are we that the syntactical problem leapt out at us? Like a shimmering puddle of poison in a pool of sludge, I couldn’t not comment on it.

        • Linnaeus

          Cynical, yes, but the particular context makes it leap out that much more.

      • L2P

        Hopefully the apprentice will bring some apostrophes from the law school supply.

  • TapirBoy1

    I don’t know if this violates the Model Rules, but I sure hope so.

  • Ken

    I was going to say “not the bottom”, then I noticed the link was to Craigslist.

  • So Paul, do you like movies about gladiators?

    • snarkout

      Do you consider the watching of movies about cowboys to be moral and the watching of movies about gladiators to be immoral?

      • It’s a line from the movie Airplane. Probably before your time.

        • Lenzman

          Nice one.

  • Speak Truth


    Eco 201 says there are too many law schools pumping out too many lawyers.

    I’m sorry that your field is subject to the market.

    • Sargon

      I’m sorry, was this supposed to be a trollish jab? Paul’s been saying this exact thing for years.

      • The Dark Avenger

        Well, Speak Deceit has never been known for his/her Sherlock Holmes powers of observation, has he/she?

    • Murc

      I am prepared to take the position it is wrong to exploit people even if it is economically possible to do so.

    • spencer

      But of course, there’s been a huge market failure here – that of non-symmetric information – which is exactly what Paul is trying to repair.

      And of course, if you’d actually *taken* Econ 201, you’d know that.

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  • Rhino

    A while ago I mentioned on this blog that I was in hospital for an extremely serious infection, one that is usually fatal, and almost always permanently disabled. (Necrotizing fasciitis, for those who are wondering.) In my case through sheer fluke I was diagnosed at least a day or two earlier than most patients ever would be, much increasing my chances of survival.

    In any event what I wanted to say was yesterday I was discharged from the hospital with a truly horrific scar, but a prognosis of not merely survival but complete functional recovery. According to the team of doctors, and you get only the best with rare stuff like this, the expected recovery verges on a medical miracle.

    All that aside, it was the commenters and proprietors of LGM, alicublog, and Sadly, No, who kept me sane and connected with the outside world. Always remember your audience is not just fellow lefties and trolls, but also people like I was, depending upon you for the wit, erudition, and vicious sarcasm you display with such élan.

    Thank you, I now return you to sniping at jenbob and bickering with joe from Lowell.

    • Wow, I’m glad you are better!

    • BigHank53

      Congrats on beating a truly nasty bug. I’m afraid I’ve misplaced my supply of erudition, though. Would you be willing to settle for some over-hopped and bitter snark?

      • mattH

        If balanced properly, there is no such thing as over-hopped and bitter. Usually just means you need more alcohol.

        Glad to hear you’re ok Rhino.

    • L2P

      Hope you continue to have good news!

    • Malaclypse

      Good to hear.

    • Manju

      Congrats, and a lovely post. BTW…if you suspect Byrd Flu, you know who to call.

      • The Dark Avenger

        Get off your high horse for one freaking minute, or are you one of those conservatives who claim that “libruls politicize everything” Manju?

        Good to hear that you did much better than expected. There are other kinds of infections, like the bubonic plague, or meningitis, where an early diagnosis can mean the difference between life and death.

        • spencer

          I thought it was a joke, aimed at himself more than anything else.

          • Rhino

            So did I. I certainly laughed, and certainly wasn’t offended. Actually it takes fairly big things to offend me nowadays.

    • Anonymous

      Thanks to all of you.

      • Rhino

        Sigh. Anonymous was me.

    • spencer

      Necrotizing fasciitis

      I have no idea what that is, but if it’s anywhere near as nasty as it sounds … well, yikes.

      At any rate, congrats, and here’s hoping your recovery is a smooth one.

      • Linnaeus

        The Wikipedia entry is pretty informative.

        Short version: it’s a rare infection of subcutaneous tissue that spreads rapidly and, unchecked, results in massive tissue destruction and death. You’ve probably heard it called an infection of “flesh-eating bacteria”, though that’s not what they actually do.

    • snarkout

      That’s horrible – glad to hear that a full recovery is expected.

    • Aaron Baker

      I’m glad to hear of your recovery.

    • jackd

      Rhino, if you care to see what someone else went through, go check http://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=3085 the blog of Canadian science fiction writer Peter Watts. The bugs attacked his calf. He posted photos – not for the squeamish. But he, like you, was one of the lucky ones who got treatment in time. Or as he puts it, ” Not lucky; none of we flesh-eaten are lucky. But I’ve got to be the least unlucky bastard alive.”

      Here’s to you, Rhino, another of the least unlucky!

  • I believe that young Richard Carstone, one of the ultimately crestfallen claimants in Bleak House, entered into a similar arrangement in his desultory pursuit of a suitable gentleman’s profession. We appear to have overshot the gilded age by half a century or more.

    • Xenos

      Young Richard Carstone did not have a law degree or even a university degree. He was a school-leaver for whom John Jarndyce purchased first a medical and thereafter a legal apprenticeship. In both cases he was given formal guidance and time to study, as well as expected to work.

      I don’t know if an Oxbridge graduate with a degree in law would have been expected to pay to work, but if they proceeded to study at the inns of the courts they probably were expected to support themselves as necessary until they were fully admitted to the bar.

      • Xenos

        Need to correct myself here: the degrees in law did not begin until well after the time in Bleak House (events took place in the 1820s). Still, Tulkinghorn must have had a much better education, and a classier aprenticeship, than Guppy.

        • Hmm. I’d forgotten that Guppy was admitted to the bar. I remember him as a mere factotum.

  • NorthLeft12

    Perhaps the “lawyers” considering this “opportunity” should apply to be the mentor’s nanny or housekeeper instead? Probably will learn as much and also get paid with access to the mentor’s fridge too.

  • “Observe the following types of proceedings, as they occur; Civil Short Calender motion arguments, foreclosure mediation’s….”

    Proofreading advertisements.

  • gocart mozart

    Civil Short Calender motion arguments,

    or you can sit in the back of the public courtroom and observe the arguments for free.

    • Phoenix Rising

      Which offers the additional advantage of allowing the student/apprentice to observe the correct spelling of “calendar”, at least in the docket bulletin of every court I’ve ever been in.

      …I know, I’ll stop now.

  • PQuincy

    Hmmm…and then can also learn to write using apostrophes for plurals (they can observe “mediation’s”), while omitting apostrophes for possessives (they need “presiding judges approval”, aka, the approval of presiding judges).

    Just don’t pay too much!

  • RepubAnon

    I used to joke about lawyers at the freeway off-ramps carrying “Will Sue For Food” signs – looks as though that isn’t a joke any more.

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