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[ 76 ] June 11, 2011 |

…has nothing to do with “small government.”

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  • c u n d gulag

    Beer?
    Beer!
    Beer.
    Beer!!!

    Usually, messin’ with a guy’s or a gal’s beer is like messin’ wid their Mama.

    But, we’re talking about elitist, Liberal, CRAFTED beer, here, so the moronic rabble who voted for Walker and his ilk won’t be affected.

    They think ‘Haute Cuisine’ is French for their Aunt’s mighty fine lookin’ daughter.

    To them, the rancid pee-water that Bud/Coors/Miller, and all of their lite/ultra-lite/boch/summer/lime variations that they sell, is nectar of the God’s, and not watered-down and carbonated brewmeister piss.

    • Ben

      In my experience Sconnies have pretty good beer palates. New Glarus is sold in every dirty, rural, 1-aisle gas station, fer instance.

      Walker will probably face a bigger backlash from this than he expects. Par for the course, in other words.

      • jmack

        I would love to be able to get New Glarus brews here in Ohio; alas, they do not distribute here.

      • c u n d gulag

        You’re right.
        I moved back to NY just a few years ago after living in the South for a decade, where Bud, Bud Lite and Coors Lite are the beer beverages of choice, so I shouldn’t have ascribed their tastes to people from WI.

        There are a lot of people with Germanic roots up there, and there are few countries that worship beer, or make it as good, as Germany – maybe the Belgians or the Czeck’s.

        Hey, look, it’s after noon!
        Time for a cold one.
        Maybe I’ll look for Pilsner Urquell or some good old American Anchor Steam Liberty Ale at the distributors – YUM!!!.
        I haven’t had either in awhile, and I need a treat.

        • Scott Lemieux

          Upstate and Western NY have some great craft brewers — Southern Tier, Ommegang, Middle Ages and Davidson Brothers are all first rate.

          • c u n d gulag

            OMG – Ommegang is awesome!

            Thanks for the reminder!!!

            • rkd

              Second the awesomeness of Ommegang! & a visit to their brewery combines nicely with a trip to the Baseball Hall of Fame – both in Cooperstown.

              • Scott Lemieux

                Yup. And Ommegang is apparently going to have dining soon…

          • gmack

            Rochester in particular is working on a nice beer culture, with a few bars serving real cask ales, several new microbreweries opening, and the best beer store I have ever seen anywhere (Beers of the World).

            • Scott Lemieux

              Yeah, Albany also has two stores that essentially sell any beer, domestic or imported, that’s available in NY state. An actual advantage over NYC…

            • Murc

              Thanks to our fucked up liquor laws, Beers of the World is also the only place in Rochester to get really good hard cider.

              • gmack

                True, but if you’re willing to go down near Ithaca, there are some first rate small cider makers (Bellwether, for instance, is one I really like, and they don’t sell it at BOTW).

                • Murc

                  While I like me some drinking, I don’t like ranging all over the southern tier to sample things.

                  And man, God help you if you like something that’s available dirt cheap in any LCBO across the border, but isn’t sold in the states. Picking up a case to bring home will MURDER you when it comes to duties.

  • gocart mozart

    First they came for my Black Husky Honey Wheat but I drink Pabst Blue Ribbon, so I said nothing.
    Then they came for my . . .

  • Davis X. Machina

    MillerCoors bought that legislature, fair and square.

    Is there no Takings Clause? Is there no ban on ‘impairment of contracts’? You get what you pay for, and what you pay for, you get to keep.

    To turn around now and repeal this provision would make a mockery of the Constitution.

    • gocart mozart

      Show me where in the constitution it says there is a right to Sam Adams? Wait. What?

      • Davis X. Machina

        You want to take MillerCoors’ legislature from them, you have to compensate them for their loss. I suppose it would mean cash, since I don’t think Wisconsin has a second, comparable legislature you could give them to make them whole.

        Fifth Amendment, baby.

      • rea

        Surely, it’s part of the right to privacy, like sodomy.

  • gocart mozart

    I did a google search for Wisconsin Micro-Brews and this came up:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Craft_Breweries_Per_Capita_%28US%29.png

    There is a map of % of craft breweries per capita nationwide. The deep south plus Texas apparently lead the nation in piss water beer drinkers.

    • jdkbrown

      Well, parts of Texas *are* the Deep South.

      • Nik

        As someone who brews in a craft brewery (in NYC! Come visit us!) and used to make beer in Texas, I can tell you that a large part of why Texas and The South have so few breweries is because they have enforced distributor laws very much like the one that Wisconsin is trying to pass.

        • Gern Blanston

          Wait, I thought it was the oppressive Federal gummint in Washington that was keeping the entrepreneurial spirit from flourishing in “Real America”?

    • DrDick

      I am proud to see that my state of Montana is representing at number 3 in the nation (including three here in my home town). Much of that is likely an artifact the fact that there not a million people in the whole state, but we do like good beer.

    • DocAmazing

      I just got back from vacation in southwestern British Columbia. You want craft beer? Finding corporate beers in Victoria is actually a bit of a challenge, with the prevalence and market penetration of Phillips Brewing, Vancouver Island Brewing, Okanagan Spring, and numerous others, all sadly unavailable on this side of the border.

      Some teabaggy types might well go along with this assault on their tastebuds (not TasteBuds!), but I suspect that those who have grown accustomed to flavor with their beer will not go quietly.

      • TT

        My dad lives about a block from the Granville Island Brewery. Their Lions Winter Ale is about the best I’ve had anywhere.

        • DocAmazing

          And, sadly, it’s unlikely you’ll have it in the US.

          • TT

            No kidding. Sucks.

        • Left_Wing_Fox

          Was just at a wedding in vancouver last month, and the Winter Ale is indeed, a thing a beauty. As was the Nirvana Nut Brown Ale from the Steamworks brewpub.

    • calling all toasters

      In defense of the South, I’m sure they still lead the nation in craft corn whiskey.

      • Furious Jorge

        We definitely lead the nation in throat-searing alcohol served out of old jelly jars.

        • gmack

          It’s interesting. I actually had some corn whiskey moonshine for the first time last year; it was a hell of a lot smoother and more pleasant than I expected.

          • DrDick

            You obviously had much better quality than the double-run white lightning I had 40 years ago in eastern Oklahoma. that stuff would take the paint off a Buik.

            • gmack

              Probably so. I grew up on the edge of Appalachia, and my father still sometimes teaches a class on Appalachian politics at a local community college-like school there. Apparently, one of his students brought him a bottle of the stuff. Assuming that the student actually liked my father, I’m guessing that it was a bit higher quality than is sometimes the case.

              • DrDick

                I grew up on the edge of the Ozarks in eastern Oklahoma and this was what passed as the best available moonshine in the area. Given that Oklahoma did not repeal prohibition, the moonshining arts were still well honed and current in the early 70s when I tried it.

                • DrDick

                  Urk! That should read “Oklahoma did not repeal prohibition until 1959,”

    • Warren Terra

      There just seems to be something about the South where they believe that abject subservience to massive corporations and bitter resentment to Gummint are their rightful stances.

      • timb

        everything is a race to the bottom

      • DrDick

        It is the legacy of the old plantation system.

  • gocart mozart

    Less government only mean cutting programs that help people or that liberals like. Programs that conservatives support don’t count. Likewise, states rights only mean state laws or powers that conservatives like. It doesn’t apply to things like gay marriage, medicinal marijuana, assisted suicide and so on. See also strict constructionism which does not apply to cases such as Bush v. Gore and Citizens United.

    • Incontinentia Buttocks

      And as Reality Check recently reminded us, the more pissed off liberals get, the better the politician / government action was that pissed them off!

      Read properly, the Constitution is all about ressentiment, apparently.

      • Walt

        I used to think that Nietzsche was full of shit on ressentiment, and that people were being pretentious in thinking that there was a special form of resentment so fucked up that we needed to borrow the French word. Then I encountered conservatives on the Internet.

  • NBarnes

    My brother brewed the kölsch at his own wedding. That was some fine drinking, and ran out a third of the way through the dinner. :(

    • Dave Brockington

      Speaking as a former brewer of some note, kölsch is a difficult style to nail. Well done.

      • Scott Lemieux

        BTW, Brockington ain’t lyin’ about his skills; his triple could pass for La Chouffe in a blind test…

        • MikeN

          See what happens when you don’t invite Jesus?

          • Warren Terra

            Is he still in the catering business? I know his fish sandwiches were a big hit, and many people have felt that his crackers were to die for …

            • rea

              The wine, though–the white always tasted a bit . . . watery, and the red could be mistaken for blood.

  • pete

    Shifting the topic sideways a bit, the filing deadline for candidates in the first tranche of Wisconsin recall elections is almost here. As I understand it, Republicans are fielding “fake” Democratic candidates in order to turn the July election into a primary and delay the general until August. Should Dems run “fake Republican” candidates? I lean to saying “no” on the grounds that they should vigorously call the Reps rat-fvckers, but it’s controversial. Anyone care to make the case on either side?

    • Incontinentia Buttocks

      Here’s the other side: no point bringing a knife to a gun fight.

      Our election laws are fundamentally broken. This seems like but another small instance of that general rule.

      If playing nice and then getting hosed by those who refused to play nice had any chance of improving the system in the long run, I think a case could be made to play nice.

      But it doesn’t.

      Democrats should obviously play by the rules. But if those rules are irrational, why pretend that they aren’t and play by an imaginary set of more rational rules?

      • Scott Lemieux

        Yeah, breaking rules is one thing, but “exploiting dumb rules when the other side is doing it” is fine. I don’t believe in unilateral disarmament.

        • pete

          No disagreement here on that. My question is, what strategy is most likely to succeed? The Republicans want to delay the inevitable. I think the argument in favor of helping them do that (i.e. turning all the races into primaries) is a little weak — it seems to be based on fear that if the Dems don’t the Reps will blanket the state with opposition ads. But, um, won’t they do that anyway? And can’t the Dems fight back anyway? That’s what I’m not getting. But I know I don’t have all the info.

    • astonishingly dumb hv

      But does delay help the Dems?

    • Why, look who’s weighed in.

  • Joe

    Hey. It’s not the Beer Party!

    Seriously, the fact its backers have to paid off doesn’t really mean it has “nothing” to do with small government. They just are somewhat um selective about it.

  • Bart

    Your link sent us to Think Progress, who suddenly only allow comments via FB and the three old portals. What’s the on-line world coming to?

    • Davis X. Machina

      It’s site-wide. You can’t comment on Yglesias’ posts without jumping through the same hoops.

      Comments on any CAP blog, even the viewing of them, never mind the posting — are impossible anywhere Facebook is blocked by a firewall like Barracuda or TrendMicro, at least with their default setting.

    • Warren Terra

      I’ve been reading Yglesias since he was at TAPPED (by my count, this means I’ve followed him through at least six blogs, and around ten years), but I’ve refused to join Facebook (I’m an antisocial sod, their IP rules are deeply obnoxious, their attitude to privacy is farcical, and their attempt to own the internet scares me) and – like, I think, most Americans under 50 – I don’t use Yahoo, Hotmail, or AOL (AOL?!). So I can’t comment there, unless they change or I knuckle under. I’m not happy about it.

      • pete

        I agree

      • Joe

        under 50? I started using the Internet in the ’90s. I’m not over 50. I like many others started with AOL and still use my old email address there. If you find yourself compelled to comment, you can get one of those accounts for free. You don’t have to “change,” since you can have more than one account.

        The tendency of various places, including Slate, to favor Facebook is annoying and I don’t use it either.

        • Joe

          I also don’t think adding an account is “knuckling under” (in what sense?) as such either. I agree that it’s annoying; comments shouldn’t require you to sign in. But, with those four options, it isn’t that bad.

        • I’m 31 and use hotmail. It’s a garbage account for web registration, but it gets the job done.

          I also have facebook to keep in touch with friends, which is why I don’t want to log into it to comment on political blogs. It’s like CAP and Slate, etc think everyone should be hooked to one account. Annoying, and a bit creepy.

  • David M. Nieporent

    Not sure what this story has to do with the Tea Party, by which I mean Scott is pulling this out of hisGeorge Soros’s ass, but rent seeking is inherent in government regulation of business. Don’t like it, stop treating “deregulation” or “unregulated” as dirty words.

    • Scott Lemieux

      Scott Walker has nothing to do with the Tea Party? Fascinating.

      I also don’t recall arguing that all regulations are inherently good.

      • owlbear1

        I thought Walker was a Koch party man.

      • David M. Nieporent

        Scott Walker has nothing to do with the Tea Party? Fascinating.

        No, he doesn’t. But what does Scott Walker have to do with this? Is there any indication that he wrote this “little noticed” provision or even knew about it?

    • Ben

      Shorter David M. Nieporent: Be thankful Walker didn’t sell the exclusive right to distribute beer in Wisconsin to his campaign donors.

      Also, stop using the “regulation bad de-regulation good” crap. It’s intellectually bankrupt and hides types of wealth redistribution.

      • Holden Pattern

        It’s intellectually bankrupt and hides types of wealth redistribution.

        Those are features, not bugs.

    • Nik

      Accusations of “George Soros” are so 2004. We are all Black Kenyan Muslim Commie Socialist Racists now and we answer to Michelle Obama.

    • gocart mozart

      You are reading it too narrowly Dave, “. . . has nothing to do with “small government.” applies to all conservative in general.

      • gocart mozart

        From Dole and Reagan
        to Bachmann and Palin
        and everyone in between

  • Invisible Super Monkey

    HAH! Don’t you know ‘evidence’ only makes the faith even stronger!?

  • astonishingly dumb hv

    I feel like the Wisconsin GOP knows they are in for an accounting, and have decided to “pull the goalie.”

  • Next up: Walker outlaws your mom’s apple pie.

  • BarneyFranksSpeechTherapist

    Not all politicians act true to form. Has President Obama stopped the Bush administration policy of extra-judicial murder? Nope. Just last week more people were killed in Pakistan by predator strikes. Are we at war with Pakistan? When is the next anti-war demonstration?

    • DocAmazing

      When did you start paying attention to anti-war protest?

      • BarneyFranksSpeechTherapist

        When did Obama stop paying attention to them?