Albany Gets on Right Side of History
Looks like the vote will finally pass. Outstanding! At lease one member has unexpectedly switched to a “yes”; once the logjam has been broken you’d think some GOP members would prefer not to emulate Strom Thurmond.
Whew, it’s good that I was able to get married before the institution of heterosexual marriage ceased to exist in New York! Alas, the newest member of the blog was not so lucky. There’s still going to be an open bar tomorrow, right?
…It’s official. And now let us praise the framers of the New York constitution for not including an initiative process.
It has passed.
Let us also praise the lack of a super-majority requirement to pass laws.
Now I can marry a fire hydrant.
No, Normie, I won’t marry you.
Dude, I already told you: you’re not my type. And stop calling me at work, you creepy little fuck.
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Well, I for one will be losing money on the prostitution ring. Just a matter of supply / demand
This will not be the big issue you think it will be.
Tomorrow, the public will feel the same. The same people will support the homosexual lifestyle and the same people will look at homosexuals as sexual deviants as they did before.
This will not force the public to respect homosexuals and the lifestyle they choose.
Yep, and the day after tomorrow- but in 20 years most of the geezers opposing it will be dead, and it will be a mainstream concept
And all of the polls showing majority support for gay marriage are part of the great Liberal Fascist Conspiracy to drain our precious bodily fluids. It’s true – I’m totally spent right now.
It’s the Dreaded Homosexual Agenda, Item One: equality before the law. What hellish nightmare is next?
Watch, “Say Yes to the Dress” to find out. Gay wedding planners can now do to gay people what they’ve been doing to straights.
The horror!
Hey! Why should we straight people have all the aggravation.
No, you can’t force respect. On the other hand, hospitals, nursing homes, insurance companies, court clerks, etc, will no longer have a free hand to discriminate against same-sex couples. Which was kind of the whole point.
This is not about your feelings. This is about legal rights and privileges.
But you’re wrong. The “lived experience” – as the Catholic Church likes to call it – of seeing and knowing married gay couples changes minds.
The “Gay Pride” parades always show the real side instead of the sanitized image the activists wish to project.
And it doesn’t help their agenda at all.
Yeah, those church groups and student groups and PFLAG and parents groups and firefighters and employee groups sure are radical.
Don’t forget the Gay Geek contingent. Their radical anti-Willow/Oz agitation led directly to Kennedy.
7/10: Never Forget.
Speaking as a straight dude, Oz was pretty annoying and really had to go.
Speaking as a straight dude…
Nobody belives that.
Well, I’m less interested in men’s naughty bits than you are.
Way to skip right over Tara there.
Well, I’m less interested in men’s naughty bits than you are.
Nobody believes that, either.
This is way better than a brick & mortar estalbihsment.
“The real side” of people’s lives is better demonstrated by parades than by their family lives?
Hokay.
I’m straight and I and most of my friends love Gay Pride parades, no matter how wild parts of some of them get. What’s wrong with going way over the top once in a while? The critics of this sort of thing have elevated constipation to a way of life.
Joe.My.God posts this every year for Pride:
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/06/watching-defectives.html
Oh, nothing. But that’s not “the real side” of people’s lives. It’s people cutting loose from “the real side” of their lives, as you say, once in a while.
The guys who paint themselves in team colors and stand shirtless in the snow at NFL games? That’s not actually “the real side” of their lives, either. It’s them “cutting loose once in a while.” Just like gay pride parades.
Just the way Mardi Gras shows the real side instead of the sanitized images breeders wish to project. Now show us your boobs.
Now show us your boobs.
Okay.
Whoo! Your beads are in the mail.
Indeed. As decent people know, only straights have the moral right to bare their sexual organs during parades, engage in public sex and shout drunken obscenities in front of children. How vile that homosexuals think they should be permitted to do the same.
This is a very good thing. It isn’t the dam breaking; it’s not the tipping point. But it does remove a big chunk of bigotry from a big state’s laws and it’s a sign that the general public’s beliefs about gays/lesbians is changing.
It’s not going to change how everyone thinks and feels anymore than the civil rights acts ended racism. But it pushes those who hold onto their ignorance to the margins. Again, a very good thing.
Without racism, homophobia and generalized fears of foreign invasion, what would a Republican political campaign look like?
Precisely. After all, interracial marriage was opposed by 72% of Americans when Virginia vs. Loving was resolved. Hell, it took until 1991 — I am always boggled by that fact — for it to gain (barely) majority approval. SSM is in objectively better shape.
But hey, thank God we let interracial marriage be determined by state initiatives! Oh, wait …
Only 44 more to go!
Nothin’ sweeter than the sound of a bigot desperately whistling in the dark.
Without racism, homophobia and generalized fears of foreign invasion, what would a Republican political campaign look like?
[Sorry for intruding on the celebration but I just had to answer this.]
“No more free movement across state lines for women!”*
“Down with medical standards for women’s health care!”
“Raping women with foreign object as a prerequisite for medical care…it’s for the childrenz!”
*Once Roe is overturned it will take about 5 minutes for this type of legislation aimed at adult women to be enacted.
Wait — there’s going to be an open bar?
I am so happy for New York.
The only sad part for me is that California couldn’t have done this sooner.
I’m gonna get me a box turtle.
Hey! I get the box turtle. I thought you were into dogs!
Now…if we can just get medical marijuana…
Why not medical roofies? Medical cocaine while you’re at it??
Because there are no medical benefits of those drugs.
Next.
Actually, there is an enormous benefit to ending prohibition: When the costs of illegal drugs drop ten-fold, crack addicts and smackheads no longer need to commit crimes to pay for their habits. They can get by on welfare or begging in the street.
Life doesn’t get any better for them, really, but for the ‘innocents’ harmed by the ‘horror’ of drugs, at least the car stereos are no longer missing and the mugging rate goes down.
So troll-boy is actually right. The irony is delicious.
That’s an economic benefit. And as an economist, I completely agree with you on that.
I just hadn’t heard anyone make the argument in favor of access to rohypnol in the same way that people argue in favor of medical marijuana, which I also support.
They already have medical cocaine. It can be used as a topical anesthetic.
Harry shows his ignorance brilliantly. Rohypnol began life as a prescription sedative–”medical roofies”. Cocaine is used extensively by dentists, oral and maxillofacial surgeons,otolarygologists and ophthalmologists for its local anaesthetic properties–it also provides a small amount of vasospasm at the site of administration, thus keeping bleeding to a minimum during surgery, and temporarily paralyzes the blink reflex, making eye surgery that much easier.
Got any more bright ideas, Mr. Hat?
Ouch! That left a mark. 8-)
Well then I retract my previous flip comment in response to the troll.
Doc, you gotta help me! The inside of my nose is killing me. What do you recommend, brah?
I keed, I keed.
I usually just switch fingers…
They have better than THAT. China White is actually available in prescription patch form. Beat THAT.
The NY Senate Majority Leader (R) is to be thanked for letting it come to a vote. Also this:
With his position still undeclared, Senator Mark J. Grisanti, a Republican from Buffalo who had sought office promising to oppose same-sex marriage, told his colleagues he had agonized for months before concluding he had been wrong.
“I apologize for those who feel offended,” Mr. Grisanti said, adding, “I cannot deny a person, a human being, a taxpayer, a worker, the people of my district and across this state, the State of New York, and those people who make this the great state that it is the same rights that I have with my wife.”
They aren’t potted plants. They are actual legislators with consciences. At least sometimes.
I hate that he felt it necessary to apologize.
I hate that he felt it necessary to apologize.
Agreed.
I take it as an apology and a justification for breaking a campaign promise. Frankly, more pols should do this.
Also, good for him for being a decent human being and doing the right thing, another thing more pols could emulate.
Talking to you, Boehner, libermann, Cantor…
Don’t hold your breath waiting, though I share your respect for the gentleman in question. Just when I thought that honorable Republicans were extinct.
I hate that he felt it necessary to apologize.
Why *would* anyone do that?
My best guess is you only apologize when you know what you did was wrong, and he believes that a great portion of the voting public thinks so, too.
There will be a concerted effort to unseat him and all the others by very, very driven people.
Good luck with THAT.
Very driven people have been trying to get rid of Joe Bruno for decades. I’d like to see the political team that could manage it, I would like to see it very much indeed.
Joe Bruno has retired. According to Wikipedia, btw, once he was out of office, he supported SSM.
… good god, I don’t even know why I posted that. Or what I was thinking when I did. I KNEW that. I had a drink when he retired.
Uh. Okay, I’m an idiot, I guess. What the hell? I either need more or LESS drinks.
God, I hope so!
I mean…er…oh no! What if the efforts and resources of the very, very driven conservatives in New York State are devoted to trying to replace an incumbent Republican with another Republican?
Surely, I do not wish to be hurled bodily into a bed of thorny vegetation.
If it’s anything like the effort that was put forth in Mass. to unseat legislators who voted in favor of gay marriage, then it will actually result in an increase in gay marriage supporters in power. So go for it, please!
A question for the politigeeks: Did Gov. Cuomo’s father ever show this combination of tenacity and deftness on an issue that really mattered during his tenure in Albany? I always get the impression that when people speak fondly of Mario Cuomo it has more to do with nice speeches than actual accomplishments. But then again, like most of my fellow Empire Staters I try not to pay too much attention to Albany most of the time, unless I’m feeling particularly masochistic.
Anyhoo, those of us who thought Andrew C was just another empty-suit legacy hire are eating a little crow this morning. And it’s delicious.
I’m grateful for his stand on the death penalty.
I’m grateful for his stand on the death penalty.
The scheduled execution in Texas this next week is of a heavily tatooed skinhead who randomly murdered people of color at convenience stores in retaliation for 911 and proudly admitted it. He killed a Bangladeshi and an Indian and a Pakistani. It was a “hate crime”.
I guess you’re also railing against his execution as well??
It’s sad that he will never have the chance to find redemption.
I can only imagine how much money has been wasted on his case.
I guess you’re also railing against his execution as well??
Well, I would be, because I agree with what JFL said. But then I looked, and found that you made the whole incident up.
Well….EXCUUUUUSE ME! It’s the second scheduled execution..on July 20.
Wow! You really caught me on that one. BUSTED!! Good job (dufus)…
Actually, it’s a slam-dunk and a whole lot cheaper than keeping this monster in prison for the rest of his life.
If you think that *everyone* is really basically good and it just takes the right way to reach them, blah…blah…blah…
Then, you’re an idiot. There are sociopaths who don’t give a rat-fuck about you, your life, your family’s lives and would just as soon kill you as to look at you.
There is no redemption for them.
But, I admire your polyanna attitude.
Mal, joe…do we really have to do this? Today of all days?
DNFTT.
Sorry, stopping.
Stopping…after this:
I’m a Christian. Sue me.
and a whole lot cheaper than keeping this monster in prison for the rest of his life.
You like to pretend, don’t you?
I’m against the death penalty, but I hate this argument. People getting life w/o possibility for parole should get the same extensive legal review as death row inmates.
strategichamlet,
You don’t “get it”. Liberalism is about picking out only one thing to focus on, not a reasoned argument as you have put forth.
And this is the same for homosexual ‘marriage’. They have ignored the other combinations that want their day in the sun, too.
How ’bout plural marriage, for instance?
Why does a right wing troll call himself “Norman Thomas”?
OT: that’s a really stunning picture of the Empire State Building. The lighting makes the architectural detail jump out at the viewer.
The 20s and 30s really were the pinnacle of American architecture and building.
Why does a
right wing trollconservative commenter call himself “Norman Thomas”?Hey, just trying to fit in with the rest of you guys!
I guess I am mean, but the first thing I do at times like these is head over to The Corner to watch the reactionaries do the blogging version of wringing their hands and shaking their fists. (Surprisingly, there is one semi-positive reaction over there.)
Remember when they used to threaten us with swift and terrible retribution in the next election?
Not so much anymore. Just impotent fury.
I can’t bring myself to wade into the Corner, but I’m confident that Roy Edroso, Sadly No, TBogg, etc. are going to be checking in on the wingnuts and bringing us the choicest bits out of all the sputtering, the exploding heads, and the impotent rage. And it will be sweet. Guess I’m mean too.
You folks here at “Lawyers, Gays, & Marriage” had a hand in this, didn’t you?
(Damned neo-communist nihilsts…)
Does New York have a law that legalizes heterosexual marriage? Or is this legislation more about changing some words in existing laws covering issuing licenses?
The latter. This bill amends NY marriage law.
Homophobes, It. Gets. Worse.
Homophobes…
No one outside your liberal bubble uses this term. It’s simply not valid.
No one is fearful. .
Seems to be a lotta queers on this board.
Just an observation…
Yeah. Don’t you just hate perverts?
Perverts. You know, the people who obsess over what other adults do with their naughty bits. The people who can’t hear the word “gay” or “lesbian” without launching into an extended fantasy about their sex lives.
Perverts. The people who can’t get their heads out of other people’s pants.
They’d do much better asking themselves why they have this odd obsession with things that are none of their business.
Don’t you just hate perverts?
Can you not read? I said what I meant, goober-boy….QUEERS. Look it up, it’s in the dictionary.
Well, mrsefgoldman and I would have been (heterosexually) married 34 years in August, but now NY having passed same-sex marriage, I guess we’re going to wake up Monday as, what? Living in Sin? Divorced? Just Good Friends?
As a teenager in the early 1960s, I was a strong supporter of desegregation and civil rights for blacks. As an old man in the early 21st century, I’m an equally strong supporter of civil rights for everyone. I really, really don’t understand what fucking business it is of yours!
Or your minister’s
Or the pope’s.
Or some red state senator’s.
Especially hypocrites who can’t keep their own, married junk in their own goddamned pants.
Just shut the fuck up and go away.
DFTT
The Russian judge gives the troll a 3.4.
The Bulgarians, however, think he rocks. Of course everybody knows about the Bulgarians.
Yeah, this guy can’t carry Normy’s cleats when it comes to trolling.
Did you see Norm’s comment about Herman Cain a couple of days ago?
“I like Herman Cain. He’s a conservative, and he’s blacker than Obama.”
C’mon, Harry, take a little pride in your work! “There’s a lot of queers here?” That’s merely lame.
I can’t help but notice that Harry and Normy both post at pretty much the same time as each other, and both have an abiding interest in male homosexuality. So I’ve been assuming that Harry the Asshat is NormyTheDumb’s dumber sockpuppet.
Ayup.
Hmm…maybe he just saves his good stuff for the Norm handle, and throws the rest up under the Hat.
There’s definitely a difference in quality.
Actually, I think he just shits in the Hat. Then puts it on.
Same troll for certain. They share a dumbprint.
“We must follow the rule: Better fewer, but better.” V.I. Lenin, On the Troll Question, 1923.
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But…but…look at the fenestration on the blue-lit face. That’s pretty awesome.
;-)
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