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This is interesting.

Apparently Obama is holding a PC later this morning to address the “issue.” My off the cuff reaction is that this is a mistake. From a political standpoint I think it’s great that Donald Trump is out there saying crazy stuff on Anderson Cooper about how the real birth certificate is missing. What’s the percentage in even giving a hint of legitimacy to the combination of pure paranoia and even purer cynicism that fuels the birther nonsense? I suppose the angle the Obama people have decided to play is to present their man straightforwardly as a victim of slanderous accusations from Trump types, and/or coy non-denial denials from prominent Republicans who purport to remain birther curious. Going even more meta, the idea may be to whip up even more “controversy” over this, since it goes without saying that this “birth certificate” is typed in a font that didn’t exist in 1961 on paper synthesized from chemicals that were never combined before 1977 etc etc.

Update: White House statement

The President believed the distraction over his birth certificate wasn’t good for the country. It may have been good politics and good TV, but it was bad for the American people and distracting from the many challenges we face as a country. Therefore, the President directed his counsel to review the legal authority for seeking access to the long form certificate and to request on that basis that the Hawaii State Department of Health make an exception to release a copy of his long form birth certificate. They granted that exception in part because of the tremendous volume of requests they had been getting. President Barack Obama’s long form birth certificate can be seen here (PDF). Correspondence with the Hawaii State Department of Health can be seen here (PDF).

Trump is holding a press conference. Quotes:

“Today I’m very proud of myself, because I’ve accomplished something that nobody else has been able to accomplish.” ..

“Our president has finally released a certificate. I want to look at it, but I hope it’s true.”

“I am really honored, frankly, to have played such a big role…”

“I’m taking great credit.”

Somehow I doubt all this is what James Madison had in mind.

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  • SP

    This isn’t a birth certificate, it’s a “certificate of live birth.” Clearly not the same thing, and now I’m even more certain that no one born in Hawaii is a citizen of the US. Cokie Roberts told me so.

  • Anderson

    I think the press conference is a mistake — what asinine questions will he have to answer? — but releasing the photo is unobjectionable. And I hadn’t realized that his mother’s first name was “Stanley.”

    … Never did figure why, being named after his dad, Obama was “II” and not “Junior.” I mean, besides “it says ‘II’ on his birth certificate.” I guess his mom hated “Junior” almost as much as she hated being named “Stanley.”

  • SP

    More seriously, 1) I think this still doesn’t meet the criteria laid out in some of the state birther laws, and 2) the next birther play is to claim that they can’t determine the validity of this document because no other Hawaiians born in the 60s have their long form released so there’s nothing to compare it to. Why won’t the registrar release more examples to validate it?

  • Simple Mind

    Rule of thumb: accusations written on a cocktail napkin are dismissed out of hand.

  • SeanH

    I’m very sceptical of the whole eleven-dimensional-chess/”meep meep” style of Obama hermeneutics, but this does seem like an attempt to troll the Republican primaries. Who backs out and who doubles down? The fact that this is a CERTIFICATE of live birth and the LAST thing they released was a CERTIFICATION of live birth is bound to have at least a half dozen Fox types scratching their heads on live television.

    • Incontinentia Buttocks

      I’m not usually 11th-dimension curious, either, but I agree that, in this case, that’s the best explanation for this move. Releasing this doc certainly won’t convince any birfers, and therefore won’t change the coverage from our he-said-she-said media.

    • djw

      Tactically, I’d have advised releasing this around December/January. Let the crazies amp it up for another six months, then release this and watch them scramble as the primaries are about to begin.

    • Anderson

      Trump is crowing about his success; Obama may’ve figured that anything that makes Trump look good to GOP primary voters is pure candy for Obama.

      • Anderson

        Okay, Ploeg said this downthread, which I take as an important confirmation of my views.

        Now, look for Obama to sigh, yeah, I wasn’t really Ivy League material.

  • jadegold

    A tactical mistake by Obama. Why does he always discard a good hand?

    Look, the hardcore “birthers” never really cared where Obama was born; the issue wasn’t about eligibility–it’s about race. As such, they’re certainly not about throw their support to him.

    OTOH, the birther issue forces the GOP to dance a very narrow tightrope. They don’t want to piss off the extreme fringe of their party but that puts them at odds with the few moderates in the GOP and all independent voters. It’s great to see GOP candidates squirm on TV every time the birther issue is raised.

    • brent

      I don’t see how this changes things on that score. The insane fringe will continue to believe as they have and Republican politicians will still be forced to equivocate to appease them. Except now, it will be clearer that there is even less ground to stand upon. They will look even crazier to independents.

    • John F

      Look, the hardcore “birthers” never really cared where Obama was born

      Of course not.
      Of course this is about Obama’s middle name and skin color.
      Te question is not whether or not Obama should have done this it’s whether he should have done it a year ago, or wait until the 2012 election campaign instead.

      • soullite

        I really doubt that it would have made any difference one way or another. Come 2012, nobody is going to vote against Obama because they think he was born in Kenya, and nobody is going to vote for him because tea partiers believe he was born in Kenya. Most will vote based on their own economic circumstance, and the rest will vote based on the issues they care about.

      • Popeye

        This ultimately boils down to Obama being a Democratic President. Yeah if he was a white guy from, say, Arkansas no one would be talking crazy about his birth certificate; they’d just be talking about normal stuff like murder conspiracies and real estate deals and some trip he took when he was in college.

  • The press conference is a mistake, but I think putting the document out there is a good idea. Birtherism has reached a critical mass, and birthers are well past the point of no return. They’ve got nowhere to go now other than a) putting their fingers in their ears and pretending this didn’t happen or b) putting out even more explicitly racist bullshit (which Trump is doing with his affirmative action dog whistling). Either way it’s great for Obama politically if birthers retreat back to Vince Foster territory.

    • mark f

      The press conference is a mistake, but I think putting the document out there is a good idea.

      I tend to agree. When questions are stupid, and sometimes when they’re not, Obama has a tendency to mock. That’s perfectly appropriate if you ask me, but I think it turns a lot of people off.

      • Joe

        tendency to mock

        sounds like a blogger

  • Charlie Sweatpants

    Is it Lee Atwater or someone else who’s generally credited with saying something like, “When your opponents are destroying themselves, let them”? This is really dumb, even if it is an attempt to troll their primary field. They’re trolling themselves already, just sit back and, you know, let them.

    I’d also file this under further proof that all three political gossip channels should be banned in Democratic offices. No good ever comes of them.

    • chris

      Is it Lee Atwater or someone else who’s generally credited with saying something like, “When your opponents are destroying themselves, let them”?

      I thought it was Napoleon. But I don’t have a solid source for it.

      • dave

        “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake” is the usual form.

        • Woodrowfan

          “Never murder a man when he is committing suicide.” Woodrow Wilson, 1916.

    • There is the apocryphal story of LBJ wanting to accuse an opponent of fucking pigs. “But Sir”, his advisors say “You know he doesn’t do that.”

      “I know that.” LBJ responds. ” just want him to be on record DENYING it.”

      Obama just denied being a pigfucker.

      • j_h_r

        This.

        :(

  • HairyApe

    Once again, BO proves he has paid no attention to the politics of the last 30 years. Facts, evidence and reason don’t matter- see Whitewater, Swiftboaters.

    • Incontinentia Buttocks

      And the small set of actual swing voters who care (vaguely) about facts are concerned about bread-and-butter issues like gas prices and unemployment.

      To the extent that a voter is persuadable and believes that the birth certificate thing is a distraction, the White House ends up looking, well, distracted by doing this.

  • Randy

    Four points:

    1. It is appalling that the White House felt it had to dignify the brifers ranting this far. I understand the political necessity of doing it, but it is appalling that political discourse in this country has sunk to this level.

    2. This will silence no one. The new spewings will, however, make an acid flashback look like a reality check.

    3. Donald Trump would congratulate himself for daylight if he said he thought the sun should rise tomorrow. Patting himself on the back for his contribution to the national insanity fits his paradigm.

    4. I like the term “birther curious.”

  • catclub

    Is Obama also announcing his campaign song is ‘Born in the USA’?

    • chris

      I think that would be a bad idea. Have you read the lyrics? There’s a lot of controversial stuff in that song — it’s as much a takedown of rah-rah patriotism as anything else.

  • Glenn

    I find it somewhat disheartening that all of the comments about whether this was a shrewd tactical move by Obama or not basically discard out-of-hand the idea that his stated reason — that the absurd “debate” was bad for the country — is the real reason. I mean, isn’t it at least possible that’s what he thinks and he should be applauded for doing so regardless of what the crude political calculus would say?

    • NonyNony

      Honestly – most people don’t seem to be able to parse what Obama actually says and then credit it as being what he actually means.

      This has been true of the man at least since he announced his candidacy for office. He says things and people ignore the “plain meaning” of his words and read what they want to into what he says.

      It kind of dumbfounds me – he’s been more consistent than any president in memory of matching actions to words and, when actions don’t match words, coming out and saying exactly why they don’t.

      I think he did it exactly for the reasons he said he did it – not for any kind of 11-dimensional chess but because he’s upset that this has become a distraction and that the press is promoting it instead of nipping it in the bud. But that won’t stop anyone from parsing his words to find some kind of 11-dimensional strategic chess behind them.

      • Uncle Kvetch

        Honestly – most people don’t seem to be able to parse what Obama actually says and then credit it as being what he actually means.

        In this particular case, there’s a very good reason for that. If he honestly think that what he did this morning will satisfy the birthers, shame the press into dropping the “controversy,” and nip the whole sorry thing in the bud, he’s an idiot. And I don’t think he’s an idiot.

        He has to know that he just threw a fresh hunk of bloody meat to the wolves.

        It only makes sense as a tactical move.

        • Malaclypse
        • NonyNony

          It doesn’t make him an idiot – it makes him a technocratic Democrat. He has a more optimistic view of American citizenry than is deserved, but it’s why so many people actually appreciate him as President.

          And reading the transcript – this was him dressing down the press. He knows stupid people will believe stupid things, but when he says things like this:

          But two weeks ago, when the Republican House had put forward a budget that will have huge consequences potentially to the country, and when I gave a speech about my budget and how I felt that we needed to invest in education and infrastructure and making sure that we had a strong safety net for our seniors even as we were closing the deficit, during that entire week, the dominant news story wasn’t about these huge, monumental choices that we’re going to have to make as a nation, it was about my birth certificate. And that was true on most of the news outlets that were represented here.

          and this

          Now, I know that there’s going to be a segment of people for which, no matter what we put out, this issue will not be put to rest. But I’m speaking to the vast majority of the American people, as well as to the press.

          We do not have time for this kind of silliness. We’ve got better stuff to do. I’ve got better stuff to do. We got big problems to solve, and I’m confident we can solve them, but we’re going to have to focus on them, not on this.

          and leads off his address with this:

          Hello, everybody. Now let me just comment, first of all, on the fact that I can’t get the networks to break in on all kinds of other discussions. I was just back there listening to Chuck. He was saying, “It’s amazing that he’s not going to be talking about national security.”

          I would not have the networks breaking in if I was talking about that, Chuck, and you know it.

          That this was anything but what he said it was – him giving this to the press so that he could point out how utterly and completely ridiculous it is that they keep fanning the flames of this shit and treating it seriously when there are all kinds of things that they’re ignoring.

          He’s a Democrat. That doesn’t make him an idiot, but it does tend to stick a streak of idealism towards human nature in him. He’s giving the press a chance here because that’s who he is. (And again – he told us all this about himself when he was up for election – why so many people choose not to believe what he says remains beyond me.)

          • Uncle Kvetch

            That doesn’t make him an idiot, but it does tend to stick a streak of idealism towards human nature in him. He’s giving the press a chance here because that’s who he is.

            Fine…then replace idiot with either “hopelessly naive” or “possessed of a delusional faith in his own special brand of awesomeness.”

            This isn’t about “human nature” — this is about an utterly broken political system, and a president who persists in acting as if he can unbreak it by sheer force of will. That’s assuming I take him at his word, as you suggest.

            Mind you, if he’s right about that, I’ll be delighted.

            • chris

              If he didn’t, at some level, believe that the political system was either not completely broken, or fixable, he wouldn’t have bothered to get involved in it at all, unless it was for the bribes. And then he’d have chosen to be in the party that receives more bribes.

              If you want to call a belief that some good can be done through the political system naive, then I guess you’d better hope for more naive politicians, because the alternative is more cynical ones.

              • hv

                Correction: he only needed to believe that once upon a time.

                The question is not whether Charlie Brown was ever reasonable to believe he would kick the football; the question is whether or not at this point in time (with lessons learned) he should believe in kicking it. See the difference?

                Invoking some prior optimism is not a get-out-of-learning-free card.

      • Incontinentia Buttocks

        Honestly – most people don’t seem to be able to parse what Obama actually says and then credit it as being what he actually means.

        You manage the public opinion of the public you have, not some public you might like or want to have at a later date.

        The response to Obama’s move throughout the blogosphere and on the MSM is entirely predictable. There was precisely zero chance that this would put Birtherism to bed…for the very reason that Obama didn’t do this earlier: there was already all the evidence needed to rationally prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Barrack Hussein Obama, II was born on August 8, 1961 in Hawaii.

        So, as a number of people say upthread, if Obama is doing this for the reasons he stated he is unbelievably naive or just plain stupid. And like a lot of other commentators, I don’t think he’s either of these things.

        • chris

          I think he honestly thinks the *press* might become ashamed of themselves. Sure, birtherism will continue regardless, but the press doesn’t have to keep giving it oxygen; they *choose* to keep giving it oxygen and if he sticks their face in how they’re neglecting issues of real importance, maybe they’ll change their minds.

          • cer

            And if he imagines he can successfully shame the media he is awfully optimistic. Indeed, cable news has been alternating between discussing the royal wedding and the birth certificate. This has given the issue more oxygen than ever.

          • Uncle Kvetch

            Sure, birtherism will continue regardless, but the press doesn’t have to keep giving it oxygen

            The press will give coverage to whatever brings in the most advertising revenue. That is its mission. If more people want to tune in for endless yammering about the birth certificate than about the budget or Medicare or what’s happening in Syria, that’s what they’ll cover.

            Perhaps there was a time when “shame” might have entered the equation, but those days are long gone. We’re talking about people who didn’t feel the slightest bit of “shame” about spending three years sniffing Bill Clinton’s jockey shorts; why should this be any different? What’s changed in the intervening 12 years to suddenly give them a conscience or a sense of public duty?

            Business is business.

          • hv

            …birtherism will continue regardless, but the press doesn’t have to keep giving it oxygen…

            One can’t help but wonder if holding a press conference counts as giving it oxygen.

      • Ed

        Honestly – most people don’t seem to be able to parse what Obama actually says and then credit it as being what he actually means.

        This has been true of the man at least since he announced his candidacy for office. He says things and people ignore the “plain meaning” of his words and read what they want to into what he says.

        You may well be right. When he said while campaigning that he intended to up the ante in Afghanistan and pursue the war into Pakistan whether Pakistan liked it or not, I thought, or hoped, it was just chest pounding to prove he wasn’t a wimp. Nope, looks like he meant exactly what he said.

        I’m still hoping he didn’t mean some of the things he said back then on Social Security, but time will tell.

        • Furious Jorge

          And don’t forget about when he said that Gitmo would remain open whether we liked it or not, and that he would be continuing his predecesor’s policies regarding warrantless wiretapping for the foreseeable future.

    • Malaclypse

      I think most people assume that it will have no effect on the “debate,” because this was never about evidence. And I think ZRM called it – by doing this, Obama has denied fucking pigs. That won’t help any “debate.”

      • Popeye

        The problem with the pigfucker analogy is that I don’t see any reason to believe that this issue hurts Obama at all. It’s just a useful way to identify people who would never vote for him in a million years.

        • Malaclypse
          • Popeye

            LOL. I guess Mr. K is an independent swing voter who was going to have a tough time deciding between Trump and Obama and now his hand has been forced — Trump it is!

            • Malaclypse

              The point of the pig-fucker story is that LBJ’s opponent looked like an idiot for talking about fucking pigs. Today, everybody is talking about birth certificates.

              If the goal was to get people to focus on “the deficit” – not jobs, mind you, but “the deficit” – it did not work.

              • Popeye

                Yeah, but people talking about birth certificates doesn’t make Obama look like an idiot. That’s the difference between being born in Hawaii and pigfucking.

                90% of voters are committed partisans. What do the rest think of Obama’s seriousness? You’re not going to be able to find out from reading quotes from Republican leaders and Republican blog commenters. Or any blog commenters for that matter.

    • mark f

      Obviously he just wants Luke Scott to be distracted and distraught for the Orioles’ upcoming series in Chicago.

    • Ed

      I mean, isn’t it at least possible that’s what he thinks and he should be applauded for doing so regardless of what the crude political calculus would say?

      The crude political calculus is probably telling him that while previously the birther stuff was mainly hurting him among people who didn’t like him anyway and helping to make the opposition look bad, there has been a steady mainstreaming of the issue and it was time to release the long form. No, it will not make the “controversy” go away entirely but it will shut up a few and it will marginalize the birthers. But even if it does not do any of those things, Obama may have reached the point of having no choice. Nothing 11 dimensional about it, really.

  • ploeg

    Isn’t encouraging Trump tactical enough for you?

    And regarding Lyndon Johnson and pigs, if the worst they have to say about Obama is that we have insufficient documentation that he was born in the US and that he might not have been fully deserving of entering Harvard… well, that can work both ways, you know. Glass houses and everything.

    • Uncle Kvetch

      well, that can work both ways, you know

      It can…but somehow it never does.

      • hv

        Yeah, if the plan is to put all our eggs in that basket, let’s think again.

        • Pooh

          If it doesn’t matter, why fucking bother in the first place? I know idealism and lain readings of stuff is laughably naive and all that, but the nihilism in this thread is really pretty staggering.

          • Holden Pattern

            Yes, well, it’s learned nihilism. It’s a large-scale political twist of “learned helplessness”, and our rulers (of both parties) have actively developed it in anyone who was paying attention.

          • hv

            Stop with the strawperson, Pooh.

            I am arguing that progressives shouldn’t try to be tricky, relying on the fact that

            well, that can work both ways, you know.

            or whatever clever twist you might suggest. I’ll pass.

            Instead, I advocate playing things straight up. Forget the games. Liberal positions are popular; getting tricky can backfire. Liberals have the unfortunate burden of the moral high ground… the public expects them to behave well.

    • cer

      Theoretically that works both ways, in practice not so much. Challenging the qualifications of Bush or McCain or whomever doesn’t trigger racist dog whistles and thus will never have the same impact. Affirmative action for rich/connected people simply doesn’t stir up the same emotions.

      But, yes, allowing Trump to whip up the fervor of the frothing birthers might up the ante for any GOP candidates.

  • Simple mind

    OMG a Third World Yoonited States President! The horror! The brownness! Our precious body fluids are so compromised!

  • Malaclypse

    The Onion wins the internet.

  • H-Bob

    Let’s see — there are 2 birth certificates for Obama but zero weapons of mass destruction in Iraq !

  • Marc

    The discussion here is somewhere between surreal and delusional. Instead of poking the Obama voodoo doll, go and listen to what he said. It was aimed at the press – coming as close as he possibly could to calling them shallow frauds uninterested in the real problems that the country is facing.

    It makes him look like the only adult in the room and shames the press. The real problem is, of course, the color of his skin – and a majority of republicans are invested in the fantasy. So they will double down on crazy.

    It really comes across as if the commenters here just really dislike Obama and can’t give him credit for anything.

    • It really comes across as if the commenters here just really dislike Obama and can’t give him credit for anything.

      I see you’re new here. From the way the lefty commentators at this site complain, you’d think Obama personally rewrote Capital so it made no sense and posioned Uncle Joe.

      • Malaclypse

        Uncle Joe was a conservative. Now, can Obama prove that he was nowhere near Coyoacán, Mexico on August 20, 1940? I think not.

      • Their Obama and Ours? The Audacity Betrayed?

        • Malaclypse

          well played, sir.

    • bay of arizona

      It makes him look like the only adult in the room and shames the press.

      You have proof that looking like the adult will make swing voters change their mind? Just because Obama loves to say that doesn’t make it true.

      The blogosphere never had kind words for Dick Gephardt, so its not like hating on Democratic leaders is somehow new.

    • hv

      It makes him look like the only adult in the room and shames the press.

      Care to make a small wager that the press-shaming element drops out by the time the press reports on this?

      Did anyone really believe that the press was trying to act nobly previously, but just needed a little teaching moment from Obama?

      ========

      Another name for lecturing a captive audience about something they a) already know and b) won’t change… grandstanding.

      Forgive us for not loving his grandstanding.

      • Holden Pattern

        Also, “the only adult in the room” is how he plays politics — as if the people on the left on and the right where just children squabbling over the cake and some you-cut-you-pick compromise is the right answer because it stops the fight not because it makes any damn sense in context.

      • Warren Terra

        Somehow, betting that the press, whether collectively or as individuals, is capable of feeling shame doesn’t seem like a good investment.

        Heck, on Balloon Juice they’re pointing out some people in the press bragging that this “issue” preoccupied “only” 4% of the news coverage in the past week. Although apparently they’re not counting some related topics that bump that number up to almost 10%.

  • Orly Taitz is doubling down on the stupid, because it’s still easier than finding a real job.

    • Malaclypse

      Good thing the media has been shamed into not covering this nonsense.

      • hv

        Yeah, that lecture must’ve really stung!

        Damn us lefties for letting our dislike for Obama blind us to the hope to be found in the press.

  • wengler

    I think Obama has a hope that the mainstream press will stop covering this story as “he said, she said” and instead use it to pummel the birthers into conformity. From CNN’s reporting that I saw last night it has worked so far.

    I fully expect there to be a raising of hands question at the first Republican debate as to whether they believe Obama was born in the US. We first saw it with the marginalization of Glenn Beck and now we are seeing it with this issue. The Republicans are trying to keep their crazy old coot core from driving away other Republican-leaning voters.

    • hv

      Why not release it after that first repub debate then?

      • wengler

        Because Obama can’t pass up a chance to let the Republicans look sane. They’ll keep on disappointing him though.

  • Nellcote

    I take it you’re the same people that advised Kerry not to respond to the Swift Boaters?

  • Matt McKeon

    Donald Trump is the Charlie Sheen of vanity politics. “I win! A triumph!”

  • Bart

    As an amateur genealogist, I don’t understand what a long form birth certificate is. Long form death certificate, yes; they include a cause of death, which is considered private and supplied to family members only.

    What extra info might a long form birth certificate include?

    • Jon H

      The attending physician.

      • DocAmazing

        Genealogist, not gynecologist.

  • I don’t understand why, on a site with a high degree of political and legal savvy, nobody’s talking about the state-level issues. There’s a whole raft of birther-related bills floating around statehouses, targetting the next round of primaries and national elections: filing season is going to come up in a matter of months. Releasing these documents now is a reminder to every state attorney general, every state legislature that they will mire their state in costly legislation, and if they craft a bill that excludes Obama’s documentation, they’ll be in violation of constitutional due process and full faith and credit protections, and if they don’t, they’ll just look like idiots for missing their target.

    Frankly, the short-form birth certificate was enough, legally, but this just drives it home.

    Probably won’t stop them from trying, but it could peel away enough cost-conscious state senators or governors to keep the legislation sane and/or kill it outright.

    • Vance Maverick

      Ahist, no quarrel with the substance, but for some reason I’m sensitive to the rhetoric tonight, so I’ll ask — what do you intend by writing “I don’t understand why none of you sophisticates is talking about X” rather than simply “X”? Again, I agree in this case with X, but feel some, uh, bemusement at the extra layering.

      • What do I intend? Bemusement.

        Self-expression.

        Mild suprise that I can come into an 80+comment thread out of my field of expertise and find an angle that usually someone else here would have covered.

        Why, what did you think I intended? Why do I care?

        • Vance Maverick

          It was a genuine question. But on reflection, a normal explanation like “looking for a way to make X stand out” would seem to suffice.

          • I’ll try to speak my mind in normal ways from now on. Can I have your email address so I can run my comments by you in the future?

    • hv

      Frankly, the short-form birth certificate was enough, legally, but this just drives it home.

      No offense, but this seems a bit self-contradictory. If it was enough before, could you elaborate a tiny bit on what kind of “driving it home” progress has been accomplished?

      What marginal utility have we gained?

      Is it “driven home” fully, or might we still need a tiny bit more? The meter is reading “more than enough” but I don’t know where “full” is.

      • The most common rhetorical dodge Republican public figures have used to continue raising the birthplace issue is the short-form/long-form distinction, and quite a few of the birther-bills being bandied about insist on long-form as “more authentic”.

        He’s just pointing out that the long/short distinction is not only meaningless (and, I’m fairly sure, unconstitutional), but not going to succeed in barring him from filing candidacy in any event.

        • hv

          Ah, good point, I see what you mean now. Thanks for explaining.

  • herr doktor bimler

    “Today I’m very proud of myself, because I’ve accomplished something that nobody else has been able to accomplish.” ..
    Shorter Trump: “It’s all about ME”.

    Is this why he appears to be an inspiration for so many voters?

    • DocAmazing

      It does take a very special kind of skill to bankrupt a casino.

  • Sean

    Donald Trump is “very proud of himself”. I’m sure that happens quite often. In fact I was surprised by the implication that this isn’t just a perpetual emotion he has.

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