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Today in Trump’s America:

After a morning of violent clashes between white nationalists and counterprotesters, police ordered hundreds of people out of a downtown park, putting an end to a noon rally before it even began.

Gov. Terry McAuliffe declared a state of emergency shortly before 11 a.m., blaming the violence on “mostly out-of-state protesters.”

“I am disgusted by the hatred, bigotry and violence these protesters have brought to our state over the past 24 hours,” McAuliffe (D) said.

Other elected leaders in Virginia and elsewhere also urged peace, blasting the white supremacist views on display in Charlottesville as ugly. U.S. House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) called their display “repugnant.”

But President Trump remained silent throughout the morning, as did Vice President Pence. First lady Melania Trump was the most prominent White House figure to weigh in, tweeting: “Our country encourages freedom of speech, but let’s communicate w/o hate in our hearts. No good comes from violence.”

The PC campus left really is out of control these days.
…It’s getting worse:

Despite the decision to quash the rally, clashes continued on side streets and throughout downtown. In the early afternoon, three cars collided in a pedestrian mall packed with people, injuring at least 10 and sending bystanders running and screaming. It was unclear if it was accidental or intentional.

The footage that has been released makes it pretty clear that this was ISIS-style terrorism.

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  • brad

    To quote something I saw on twitter, why is the President afraid to say the words “radical white supremacists”?

    • Facebones

      Because they’re his base. Remember, during the campaign he had to look into what these KKK guys were all about before declining David Duke’s endorsement.

    • TJ

      Partisans are political. It’s the same reason you find white liberals defending white professors who wear blackface. It’s different when “our” side does it than when “their” side does it.

      • brad

        That’s fucking stupid. For one thing, the only actual example of what you’re talking about I can think of is the dorm “mother” who was roundly criticized for defending “non-PC” Halloween costumes.

        For another, the left has mainly spent the time post election attacking itself over whether Bernie was the Messiah and Clinton the ant-Christ.

        • Hogan

          the dorm “mother” who was roundly criticized for defending “non-PC” Halloween costumes.

          Yes, but liberals didn’t call for her summary execution, so actually they were defending her.

          • wjts

            The only thing Throttle Jockey likes more than internet tough guy rhetoric is seeing people get fired.

            • Hypersphrericalcow

              Is TJ actually ThrottleJockey? I suspected so, but wasn’t sure.

              • Hogan

                That comment pretty much confirms it.

              • BiloSagdiyev

                You’re braver than I am, imagining a world with TWO people just like that in it.

            • Bruce Baugh

              Unless they’re Bill Cosby, or connected to him.

              • brad

                Don’t forget Richie fucking Incognito. Authoritarianism trumps racial solidarity, apparently.

          • TJ

            Oh puh-leeze. Just being 2 faced. Let a white conservative doing something racist or sexist and you want their head, let a white liberal do the same thing and it’s no biggie.

            • Hogan

              Me personally?

              • TJ

                Anyone who defends white professors wearing blackface.

                • Robbert

                  Which, despite your done-to-death protestations is precisely no one at LGM.

                • TJ

                  Except for the Blogger-in-Chief…

                • Hogan

                  You know what, fuck this shit. Nazi thugs are trying to kill people this afternoon and you want to talk about a dimwitted professor. wearing black face last fucking year. Eat shit and bark at the moon.

                • Dr. Acula

                  One of the positives about moving the comments to Disqus is being able to block people.

                • TJ

                  If you want to be perceived as an ally of black people maybe you shouldn’t defend white people who wear blackface. That’s not an ally.

                • Thirtyish

                  It’s almost like he’s trying to derail any discussion about fascistic violence.

        • TJ

          Dorm mother? What makes you think I’m talking random dorm mothers. My you must’ve forgotten Mr. “It’s not harassment to wear blackface” Lemieux? And didn’t you know that professors who do so shouldn’t be fired?

          So before you call me fucking stupid, take things up Lemieux. Your beef is with him. With liberals like that who needs conservatives?

          • brad

            I’m talking about things that actually happened, not your self serving version of reality. I’m afraid you have no credibility here to stand on. Fool yourself, no one else will follow.

            • TJ

              Whatever man it’s a matter public record. His words are plain. The man said wearing blackface wasn’t harassment. And he said she shouldn’t be fired for doing so. It don’t get no plainer than that.

              • brad

                You’re asserting something that didn’t happen to a group of people who neither agree with you nor mistake you for an honest speaker. For further response, see Hogan’s.

                • TJ

                  White people who stand with one another against claims of racism by black people. Where have I heard that before?

                  And your boy Hogan is only mad because he defended the same racist bullshit as Lemieux.

                • brad

                  You’re a real asshole, and a liar.

                  And in case anyone newish wants to know why no one here takes TJ seriously, he was caught using different names here at different times, even speaking about the other persona as if it were someone else. He’s done lots of other awful shit, but that’s a good starting point.

                • TJ

                  Brad: Not a liar.

                  Funny the comments are missing. My favorite was when Lemieux wrote that “we shouldn’t judged our worst moments”.

                  http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2016/12/bad-applications-of-anti-harassment-law-should-not-be-used-to-justify-mostly-eliminating-anti-harassment-laws

                • brad

                  Not a liar, but still not even going to glance at getting caught like that, mhm. Comments are lost because of the move to disqus, and you should be the one happy about that.
                  But really, why are you bothering? I’m not being hyperbolic when I say everyone here knows you to be an established liar. You’re wasting your time.

                • TJ

                  Brad I’m hoping that most white liberals aren’t as 2 faced and fake as you. If you recall there was time not long ago when LGM featured zero black bloggers. It was Lemieux who opposed diversifying the masthead then too. But enough whites joined my criticism that LGM finally diversified. So there’s always hope.

                • brad

                  Holy shit, wow. TJ, that’s disturbingly deluded. And again, your response to your own literal two faced nature here is to attack and not say a word about your own doings. Whatever it is you think you’re doing here, it’s not healthy for you.

                • TJ

                  It’s racism that isn’t healthy man. We can see that in Virginia. Racism kills. And being a white liberal doesn’t make someone immune to it. Lemieux isn’t the first white liberal racist and he won’t be the last.

                • brad

                  So you simply won’t address your own behavior, ok.

                  Just for anyone who’s wondering, I’m bothering this one time so in the future there will be a reference point. If you’re not with TJ, you’re against him. It’s reasoning as bad as the movie the line I’m paraphrasing comes from.

                • TJ

                  If you call yourself a liberal and yet defend racist professors then you’re just a gigantic hypocrite. I prefer to see my racists in front of me. Can you imagine if Lemieux was advising that school’s student BSU can you imagine how sold out they’d feel?

                • stepped pyramids

                  You can see the old comments if you disable JavaScript.

                • NonyNony

                  I’m just curious why I’m the only one who appears to have blocked him. His contributions are worthless once you realize that you realize his contrarian schtick is based on his claimed background. And that you can never trust that his claimed background is real because of his sockpuppetry, so there’s no point in reading anything he says. Blocking him just saves me from thinking he’s worth engaging with.

                • Hogan

                  You’re no longer the only one.

                • Veleda_k

                  Definitely not the only one.

                • I’m just curious why I’m the only one who appears to have blocked him.

                  i just joined the club.

                  are there snacks?

                • Thirtyish

                  Not the only one. I blocked him the instant I saw the nym and had confirmation from others that it was indeed Throttle Radd.

                • TJ

                  Thank God, Stalker-ish, I was about to call the FBI on you.

                • Origami Isopod

                  I’m just curious why I’m the only one who appears to have blocked him.

                  You’re not, trust me.

                • efgoldman

                  There’s a good reason why nobody missed you when you went away for a while.

                • TJ

                  Per typical you got the story wrong. She wore blackface and Lemieux defended it. Look at this sick pic in the link below and tell me it’s not the most racist thing you’ve ever seen.

                  Oregon: Professor in Blackface Violated Anti-Harassment Policy
                  https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/01/03/university-oregon-finds-professor-who-wore-blackface-party-violated-anti-harassment

                • brad

                  Fair is fair, I was wrong about which post was in question. You’re still presenting a personally biased interpretation of that post, but a teacher did wear blackface. I’m fine with everything else I’ve said.

          • BWF

            To quote Parker Stone & Lopez, “you’re making things up again, Arnold!”

            • TJ

              It’s a matter of public record. There ain’t shit to make up. But I’m not surprised to a bunch of white people say, “Hey look the nigger is crazy”. White people been saying that since Blazing Saddles.

              • Robbert

                Now now, who’s saying you’re crazy? I mean, you’ve brought up your grotesque mischaracterization of Scott’s point so many times I’m sure everybody’s lost count, often derailing completely unrelated threads – such as this one – in the process, but I’m sure it was an honest mistake every single time!

                Seriously, though. Give it a rest.

                • TJ

                  I’ll give it a rest when black people can rely on white liberals to be allies instead of sell outs.

                • MariedeGournay
                • Sharon1W

                  I came here to condem Nazis, not read Throttle Jockey thread jacking. Where is the management?

                • TJ

                  Ima sorry. Isa fogot my place. Whomai to bring up raceism by da massa?

                • Sharon1W

                  Wow, (in my best Folgers taste-test voice), see the fun part of the internet is that TJ has no idea that he just threw his BS ‘bama-speak comment at a Black Woman. Keep them coming sweetheart.

                • brad

                  This seems an appropriate spot to note he also just gave himself credit for Shakezula being added to the roster here, which is unusual in that he normally just ignores her existence altogether.

                  (I’m going outside now to meet a friend, no more feeding him.)

                • TJ

                  A black woman who defends white men who defends black face wearing professors. My I’ve seen it all.

                • Tige Gibson
                • Ima sorry. Isa fogot my place. Whomai to bring up raceism by da massa?

                  ooh. block-worthy!

              • BWF

                Ok, I saw the link you had provided, and I was wrong; there was indeed a post where Lemieux had commented on a professor wearing black face. You didn’t make that up after all; I apologise to you for thinking otherwise.

                That still doesn’t address what Lemieux had actually said about this action by the professor. From reading it, Lemieux was, in fact, strongly against what the professor did!

                • TJ

                  Lemieux said it wasn’t harassment. And said she shouldn’t be fired. Despite how unfair it would be to black students he No one should be judged by their worst moment. Humph.

      • NicknotNick

        ‘partisans’ and ‘political’ isn’t the same as ‘violent racists’. I’m not sure what’s worse, that you think it’s necessary to conceal the fact that this isn’t a political rally, but a racist one; or that you think it’s self-evident that violent racists support the President and so it’s natural that the President supports violent racism.

        • TJ

          It’s a white “nationalist” march featuring David Duke. It’s self evident that it’s a racist march. I’m just stating that it’s the same partisan impulse that leads Trump to defend white nationalists that leads Lemieux to defend white racist professors. To a black man, in fact, it’s indistinguishable. If you oppose firing a white professor for wearing black face in front of students you’re no help at all. That’s the meaning of supporting white privilege.

          • brad

            1. She didn’t wear blackface. She wrote a letter saying she thought such costumes could be used as teaching moments.
            2. The universal response here, including Lemieux’s, was that’s stupid and at least borderline offensive.
            3. There was debate whether it was a firing offense.
            4. Let’s get into your final appearance here as Norrin Radd when you assumed a white woman defending a queer POC friend from a black football player deserved to be assaulted because the state the event took place in proved she was racist.

      • JMP

        Citation needed.

        • TJ

          And citations provided below. Unfortunately the comments appear to be missing. Those were real gold.

    • aab84

      Because one of the easiest ways for him to lose actual support among his hardcore base is to even mildly denounce white supremacy.

    • D. C. Sessions

      Also from Twitter:

      “The President’s polls are so bad, that white supremacists won’t even call today’s event a Trump rally.”

      — Alix Jules

    • Unemployed_Northeastern

      And we’re all still waiting for him to condemn the arson at a mosque in Minnesota last week. I'm sure Trump is writing that tweet right now...

      • D. C. Sessions

        Eventually Miller will find a way to deplore the property damage. Paul Ryan will point out that it’s fundamentally wrong for people to be forced to support through their insurance premiums mosques, which are prone to bomb attacks. Likewise for the people of the city to pay through their taxes for the fire department and emergency services.

        • Unemployed_Northeastern

          The only White House response I’ve heard thus far is fake PhD Gorka claiming that the arson was a false flag operation. Ugh.

    • Terok Nor

      With the news that a car was deliberately driven into people, make that radical white TERRORISM.

      • D. C. Sessions

        No such thing. The driver was a mentally unstable lone wolf.

        • Lurking Canadian

          apparently there’s already a report that he believes himself to be Thomas Jefferson, which will come in handy when he pleads insanity.

          I’m not exactly sure how driving an automobile fits into the Jefferson persona, though.

          ETA: Holy shit I’m sorry for the pre-edited version of this comment. Stupid autocorrect

          • wjts

            He named the car “Caractacus”.

    • Jonathan Roth

      If he only calls it “Hate and violence” the right immediately says “Yeah, Fuck BLM and Antifa!”

  • shah8

    We need to talk about Kevin.

  • Man, those economic concerns are a bummer.

  • Murc

    Gov. Terry McAuliffe declared a state of emergency shortly before 11
    a.m., blaming the violence on “mostly out-of-state protesters.”

    This formulation puzzles me every time I see it.

    One, it seems unlikely this is the case.

    Two, even if it were the case… so fucking what?

    • David Allan Poe

      It’s a thing everywhere. Somewhere there is a place where all these people come from, because it sure isn’t here.

      • Elizabeth

        Must be the same place where Things Like This are supposed to happen–they’re never supposed to happen here.

    • KarenJo12

      I have to wonder if McAuliffe is making a sly reference to “outside agitators.”

    • BiloSagdiyev

      It’s probably just a subtle way to blame it on West Virginia.

      • Eric K

        Which would be hella ironic. The former Confederate State is removing the statue of Lee while protestors come from the State that only exists because it wasn’t part of the Confederacy…

        • BiloSagdiyev

          Only as ironic as the number of white men living in South with stars and bars on their pickup trucks but living in the mountains where support for the war was actually pretty weak, etc etc etc.

          • Adam Short

            Yeah, it’s weird. My ancestors fled Virginia in the 1840’s because they were antislavery Democrats, but the ones who are still there are all MAGA-heads.

            • JamesWimberley

              Antislavery Democrats? Did they exist?

              • wjts

                Yes. Martin van Buren ran on the Free Soil ticket and later returned to the Democratic Party.

    • Hogan

      A governor giving a small shout-out to the good people of his state? Puzzling indeed.

    • apogean

      Not sure about the counter-protestors but the Unite the Right people are on sort of a fashy road trip so they are actually mostly out of state. Though I’m not sure what that is supposed to mean either.

      • FlipYrWhig

        It’s supposed to mean “this incident doesn’t reflect on our fine state’s fine people.”

        • Uncle_Ebeneezer

          It’s also a not-so-subtle dog-whistle reference to Freedom Riders.

          • Karen

            Isn’t McAuliffe directing his ire at the Nazis? That would make this a subtle insult instead of a dog whistle.

            • Uncle_Ebeneezer

              What I meant was any time the “outside agitator” trope is invoked it’s drawing on a terminology closely tied to White Supremacy. Regardless of who they are actually referring to. Like Hordes/Invaders etc. It’s usually applied to skeery Mooslims and Mexicans and BLM but it also can be applied to White anti-racists, Freedom Riders etc. It’s all a part of the same, Imo. If that makes sense…

    • David Allan Poe

      Also, as an aside, this sort of insta-formulation always reminds me of the bit in Homage to Catalonia where Orwell is talking about the “journalism” he reads about the intra-Left fighting in Barcelona in the English newspapers. He quotes one of the Communist papers talking about “Fascist snipers on the rooftops” and wonders how the writer knew the snipers were Fascists, since he presumably did not go up on the rooftops and ask them.

      • Lurking Canadian

        I wasn’t in Catalonia with orwell, obviously, but I imagine you can make a pretty good guess at the political leanings of the snipers on the roof based on their target selection. The snipers shooting at communists and anarchists but not fascists are probably the fascist snipers.

        • David Allan Poe

          Well, the joke is that the snipers on the rooftops were either anarchists or communists, since that was who was fighting, and there were no Fascist forces there. The point he was making was that it was part of a smear campaign by the communists against the anarchists, and most of what he read about the Barcelona fighting was made up of similar fact-free assertions.

    • Hypersphrericalcow

      This seems related to the “bused-in voters” phenomenon that apparently happened everywhere, but for which no one can provide any evidence.

      • BiloSagdiyev

        That Hillary, she’s that sneaky.

    • efgoldman

      It is, of course, just coincidence that the assholes chose to have their little party while there were no students on the UVa campus. Not like they were afraid of tens of thousands of counter protesters or anything. I doubt that many of the ~22,000 students would take kindly to this bullshit.

  • Hogan

    I WISH the people who stand with Trump were silent.

  • Dr. Ronnie James, DO

    The best words

  • Thom

    No good comes from violence (as Melania says), unless you are threatening North Korea with nuclear annihilation.

    • BiloSagdiyev

      Thanks. What I came here to say.

      We didn’t stop burning cities to the ground in August of 1945.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Pyongyang

    • Uncle_Ebeneezer

      unless you are threatening North Korea, Muslims, Immigrants, LGBTQ, Black people, etc….

    • Unemployed_Northeastern

      Trump has also threatened using a military option in Venezuela in the last 24 hours.

  • Sly

    http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3405025.1502511323!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/article-charlottesville-4-0811.jpg

    Behold the Master Race! Wielding the ancient tiki torches of their genetically superior forebears!

    • NewishLawyer

      The guy in the polo shirtn with glasses looks like a real dweeb.

      • wjts

        He looks like my housemate. (Who also looks like a dweeb.)

        • NewishLawyer

          Is there going to be an awkward conversation on Sunday night?

          • wjts

            All my conversations with that dweeb are awkward.

        • keta

          Missing a tiki torch or three?

      • Hogan

        Dude, that fabric isn’t doing you any favors. Just sayin.

      • Hypersphrericalcow

        Good god, it’s the “Brooks Brothers Riot” all over again, except this time they have literal torches. (I don’t see any pitchforks, thankfully.)

      • LeeEsq

        Revenge of the Nazi Nerds.

    • aab84

      Moobs, moobs everywhere.

    • Mellano

      I can’t wait for Wikileaks to hack the white nationalist rally email chains.

      “Can I wear a white polo shirt to a torchlight march, or should I bring a set of evening mob clothes?”

      “Appropriate footwear: Crocs or Reefs?”

    • Unemployed_Northeastern

      Any physical similarities to the GOP mobs storming Florida in the aftermath of the disputed 2000 presidential election results is TOTALLY COINCIDENTAL.

    • Adam

      The virgins anonymous meeting got out of hand.

    • halp halp
      we’re so oppressed
      halp

  • NewishLawyer

    Nazi Punks Fuck Off!!!!

  • Taylor

    “Nazis. I hate nazis.”

    • Hypersphrericalcow

      Dammit, you beat me to this joke.

  • NewishLawyer

    From the article:

    “Using megaphones, police declared an unlawful assembly at about 11:40
    a.m. and gave a five-minute warning to leave Emancipation Park, where
    hundreds of neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klan members and other white nationalists
    had gathered to protest the planned removal of a Confederate statue.
    They were met by equal numbers of counterprotesters, including clergy,
    Black Lives Matter activists and Princeton professor Cornel West.”

    1. Is the last bit supposed to be deadpan humor?

    2. It is shameful that the Post doesn’t use the Oxford Comma.

    • wjts

      Wait, there’s a statue of Robert E. Lee in Emancipation Park?

      • Murc

        This is Virginia we’re talking about.

        • wjts

          I’m more aghast than surprised.

          • BigHank53

            It used to be Lee Park. The name was changed within the past two years, and Charlottesville’s leaders are seriously talking about taking the Confederate statues down.

      • NicknotNick

        Be fair, maybe he’s weeping as his slaves leave, flipping him off.

      • Eric K

        To be fair, they renamed the park and made plans to remove the statue at about the same time I think, they are steadily renaming a lot of stuff, since it seems half the frikkin State is named after confederates it will take awhile

        • wjts

          That does change things.

        • BigHank53

          I need to read further down…

      • drwormphd

        It was Lee Park until recently. The city wants the Lee statue removed, which is why the protest was help here.

      • efgoldman

        there’s a statue of Robert E. Lee in Emancipation Park?

        My kids live on [Robert E] Lee Highway in Arlington. US Route 1 through that part of VA is Jefferson Davis Highway. There’s no movement to change either name.

        • D. C. Sessions

          Let’s see what a few more dual-flag riots do about that.

        • Will Stamped

          It might take ten years or so, but it’s coming. As another poster said, Emancipation park was previously Lee Park, and there’s another park that was renamed from Stonewall Jackson to Justice.

          There’s a Confederate statue in the middle of Alexandria that is going to be removed unless the state interferes. It will probably stay for another year or two, but the city council did authorize its removal.

          Additionally, the Fairfax School Board recently voted to change the name of JEB Stuart High School (without providing a new name). One of the board members (Liz Schulz) complained that there are over thirty schools named after slaveholders in Fairfax county and that if they changed this name, those other schools would be next, and then the highways and parks. It’s happening one place at a time, but barring some political reversal it is happening.

        • In the commentary of Eastbound and Down, they said that HBO was nervous about the joke that the middle school was named after Jefferson Davis. The creators, Mcbride and Hill, are from NC and had to explain that in the South there literally are schools named after Jefferson Davis, along with all sorts of other stuff named after confederates.

      • Only if it’s a statue of him being crushed underground… or soi hope

    • Hypersphrericalcow

      Upvoted for the insistence on the Oxford Comma.

      • The Oxford comma is more of an Ole Miss thing.

      • JamesWimberley

        Disagree. In the context, the appositional phrase “Black Lives Matter” can only qualify “activists”, not “Cornel West”. If you replace it with “holier-than-thou”, it could govern both, and you need the comma if you want for some reason to leave him out. PS: I speak with Authority as an actual Oxford MA.

        • Bruce Baugh

          At first I read this as “speak with Authority as an actual Oxford Comma”, and thought, wow, my day’s going very Grant Morrison, isn’t it?

    • Thomas W

      It is shameful that the Post doesn’t use the Oxford Comma.

      “…and Princeton professor Cornel West, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector.”

    • TJ

      I understand why so many black people don’t like West–we don’t like his beef with Obama–but what do white people have against him? I mean the man was protesting for Civil Rights when you and I were in diapers.

      • NewishLawyer

        I don’t have any strong opinions on Cornell West. The sentence just struck out to me as a kind of deadpan humor.

  • MariedeGournay

    Serf Nazis Must Die

  • keta

    Here’s a question I’ve been mulling over: does the rise of Trump and overt nationalism/xenophobia/flat-out racism ultimately help or hurt in the long view?

    Much like a unattended splinter eventually becoming infected and needing to be excised and cleaned up, is this coalescence of ugliness “good” in the sense that it forces all sensible people to speak up/vote/take action against the hate? Can a majority moral repudiation of some kind drive this back?

    Or is this a long-range problem that is just beginning to dig in, and we’re seeing the early days of out-of-the-shadows hate and bigotry that will eventually become a common feature of the American cultural landscape.

    I’m not saying this isn’t terrible in the here-and-now, and I’m not saying what we’re seeing hasn’t always existed. What I’m asking is what others feel are the long-term implications of this nasty business bursting out of the box?

    • NicknotNick

      There is no long view — that’s assuming that there is a fixed end point, which there isn’t. The presence of violent racists in our politics only hurts; the more encouragement and success they experience, the more it hurts. Whether it leads to some sort of sea-change in Democratic strategy that leads to a better outcome than otherwise is just a theoretical counterfactual that can never be demonstrated, whether it occurs or not.

    • David Allan Poe

      Well, since the Civil War, the backlash against Reconstruction, the rise of the KKK, Jim Crow, Reaganism, and the Tea Party don’t seem to have provided motivation to excise the infected splinter, I’m not optimistic that Trump is just what the doctor ordered.

    • BiloSagdiyev

      A long-term implication of this is that the already long-term trend of suburban and corporate white upper middle class and rich Republicans get to play “I’m not a racist”, because hey, look at Skeeter over there in the “The Original Boys in the Hood” T shirt.

      (I did not make up that T shirt. I have actually seen someone in that T shirt.)

    • Hypersphrericalcow

      out-of-the-shadows hate and bigotry that will eventually become a common feature of the American cultural landscape

      When has it not been?

      • stepped pyramids

        It’s been a while since we’ve had overt white supremacist demonstrations of this size and nature.

        • D. C. Sessions

          Which poses the question: will the current wave of overt bigotry crest higher or lower than the previous one?

        • Hypersphrericalcow

          That’s true. It makes me think that the last ~40 years were an anomaly in American racial tensions.

        • NicknotNick

          What? Was Trump’s campaign in the distant past?

          • stepped pyramids

            Trump’s campaign is part of what we’re talking about here.

    • Daniel

      Well, let me just say this: It did work in Germany. But — understatement of the millennium — the costs were rather prohibitive.

      • BiloSagdiyev

        Yes, and it wasn’t just the high price we paid to defeat them unconditionally. By a lamentable quirk of the German people, one reason deNazification worked so well is we made it against the law to be a Nazi. And they obeyed the new rule. Which is kinda how things got out of control in the first place.

        • Daniel

          That’s part of it. But the more interesting aspect is that Hitler completely killed off the entire old monarchist guard. All the conservative elites, everyone who mattered under the Kaiser and who helped Hitler into power, were gone after 1945.

          • LosGatosCA

            Easier? Partition and 45 year occupation that in turn has led to large residual US military presence vs paying reparations from Versailles?

            I think the difference in occupation commitment levels between the wars, developing nuclear weapons to change the balance of power, and the genius of FDR in developing the UN made the difference, not the composition of German leadership.

            The Allies were committed to executing and imprisoning as many Nazis as necessary (not necessarily 100%, if that was not necessary, it wasn’t).

            • Daniel

              Er, sorry, but you are ignoring that Germany’s culture has changed massively after 1945 (not all at once, but over time). Occupation and engagement by the allies in rebuilding civil society was of course very important, but it is ridiculous to say that it was just the Allies’ boots keeping Germany down that made this work. In fact, it would be horrible if that were true.

              Note that my views on the break between the Kaiserreich and Germany after 1945 aren’t just my own, they are shared by historians.

              The Weimar Republic had only one party supporting the democratic state for its entire existence, and another party which partly supported it. The remainder of the political spectrum was openly fighting against the republic’s very existence. That changed massively after 1945. The anti-republican forces in society had been utterly destroyed.

            • Daniel

              The Allies were committed to executing and imprisoning as many Nazis as necessary (not necessarily 100%, if that was not necessary, it wasn’t).

              This ignores that active search for and prosecution of (former) Nazis was silently rolled back in both halves of Germany pretty quickly after the cold war started. The reckoning with the past only picked up again with the cultural revolts in the 60’s (on the West German side).

              • ExpatJK

                Yes, and that ‘useful’ Nazis were quickly given new jobs in the US and the USSR without having to answer for anything – von Braun as but one example.

                The interesting question is about Austria, which was more of an eager participant and less of a victim, and whose deNazification efforts were much weaker.

                • Daniel

                  The interesting question is about Austria, which was more of an eager participant and less of a victim, and whose deNazification efforts were much weaker.

                  I’m regularly aghast on what’s acceptable in Austria’s public discourse — stuff that’s beyond the pale in modern Germany. Like indirectly celebrating Hitler’s birthday in a widely read newspaper.

                • ExpatJK

                  Like indirectly celebrating Hitler’s birthday in a widely read newspaper.

                  I want to say that I can’t believe it, but I can. It wasn’t that long ago that they jailed a Jewish historian regarding a restitution claim.

                  I’ve spent some time in Germany, including staying with a German family, and I have a lot of respect for how the past has been addressed. I would feel comfortable living there for a while, as a very obviously Jewish-looking person. I do not feel the same way about Austria.

            • George Carty

              Don’t forget the fact that it would have been futile for German nationalists in West Germany to revolt against the Western Allies, because if they had left the Soviets would have marched in and taken over.

        • ExpatJK

          Tony Judt’s Postwar covers deNazification in depth, and I don’t know that “worked so well” is the best way to describe things. Having said that, as Daniel and others point out, Germany did undergo a massive cultural change.

      • JamesWimberley

        The Russians basically just shot anybody they captured in an SS uniform. I’ve heard that the Canadians often did the same. The casualty rates in favoured Nazi services like U-boats and Luftwaffe pilots were horrendous too. They were selected out.

        • LosGatosCA

          My understanding is that every single U Boat sailor except the ones alive on the submarines on the day the war ended or previously captured died on duty. 100% death rate.

          • wjts

            (Assuming this isn’t a joke that went over my head…) I would be very surprised if that were true. It would mean that not one single sailor was invalidated out due to injury/illness, given a discharge for other reasons, died while not on duty, or was reassigned.

            • Paul Thomas

              It’s not true. The casualty rates for U-boat crew were enormous, but if memory serves, it was about 70%, certainly not 100%.

        • BiloSagdiyev

          The SS troops in the field kept doing things that made Allied soldiers want to kill them on sight. I just learned that the first use of napalm at the tactical level was against an SS unit that had earned it:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napalm#Military_use

      • LeeEsq

        It worked in the part of Germany that ended up in the Western orbit during the Cold War. De-Nazification was less of a stellar success in East Germany because the GDR line was that everybody in East Germany was a good Communist/anti-Nazi while everybody in the West was a Nazi. End of story. Not a lot of self-reflection going on there.

        • Daniel

          Yes, the spin on the GDR side was that fascism was a natural progression from capitalism.

          ETA: But, to be fair, many leaders on the GDR side had in fact been active fighters against the Nazis.

        • Hypersphrericalcow

          This is something I’ve wondered about: how much of the East Germany police state (Stasi, etc) was a holdover from the Nazi regime, and how much was imported from the Soviet Union?

          • Daniel

            I’d say mostly from the Soviet Union, but there were enough cultural similarities that many former Nazis felt right at home after the initial wave of prosecuting Nazis stopped.

  • mellowjohn

    best comment i’ve seen so far: “Can we just skip to the part where we hang the leaders at Nuremberg and the rest all flee to Argentina?”

    • Daniel

      Why do you hate Argentina?

      • Sly

        It’s not that we hate Argentina; we just want to put them in one location where they really stand out, so its easier for Magneto to hunt them down with mind-controlled cutlery.

      • Unemployed_Northeastern

        Well they were mean to Jeremy Clarkson.

        • BiloSagdiyev

          Who, I’m sure, didn’t do nuffin’.

          • Unemployed_Northeastern

            It’s debatable. OT and long enough not to get into it, but debatable.

            • BiloSagdiyev

              I watched those episode, the only Top Gear I’ve actually watched, because I like 928’s and Ms. Bilo likes Patagonia. The behavior of the Argentines sure seemed sad and tribal… the license plate thing _probably_ unintended… but what few whiffs I’ve caught from Clarkson, including coverage of his firing, makes me suspect he rubs people the wrong way, on purpose, and also may have some prejudice in him that may have really helped not make friends there.

              Those are my cynical guesses.

              • Unemployed_Northeastern

                Clarkson is a very strange combination of bombastic and contrarian yet somehow friendly and curious. But yeah, if he gets the sense that he’s rubbing someone the wrong way, he’s going to keep doing it. And their road trip specials are just amazing.

      • wjts

        Because of every World Cup I’ve ever watched?

        • Daniel

          But you must have loved the 2014 one then. :)

          • wjts

            I did! (Mostly.)

    • JamesWimberley

      The current Pope is Argentine and would not help this time.

  • shah8

    Now, apparently using cars as weapons.

    What a glorious day

    well, literally for me, Atlanta has been freakishly rainy and cold most of this summer. A break today.

    • Odd. Need to hand that rain here to Seattle

  • Must be from all the economic anxiety.

    • LosGatosCA

      I think the torch business is picking up though.

      The multiplier impact should hit burning crosses shortly.

    • A time least all the heritage not hate crap is now out the window.

  • Adam Short

    MSNBC now reporting that someone drove a car into a group of people. Ugh.

    • NicknotNick

      If that happened, in addition to being horrible, it would be interesting — that’s a tactic that is currently (especially on the far right), associated with Islamic extremist violence in Europe. If racist extremists have moved that far, it won’t help them, any more than the Weather Underground or the SLA helped the centre left.

      • aab84

        There’s video everywhere. Here’s one example (warning, graphic). Hit and run. Perpetrator still at large as far as I can tell.

        • I live in cVille–out of town on vacation this weekend. From the location that looks very plausibly like it could have been an accident.

          • aab84

            Here’s another view from the rear showing the driver speeding up for about 50 feet and then immediately backing away after the accident.

            • Yeah, that’s unambiguous. Makes me sick.

            • NeonTrotsky

              The news is reporting at least one person has died. The police just fucking stood there. I’m honestly starting to agree with people who say the left needs its own equivalent to the militia movement.

              • D. C. Sessions

                Every now and then someone does the right thing. In this case, get shots of the police standing by

                I’m not holding much hope.

        • Damn.

      • BiloSagdiyev

        Well, somebody had to liberate Symbonia, didn’t they?

      • D. C. Sessions

        It’s associated with Islamic extremist terrorism because when it’s not a brown Muslim behind the wheel it’s not terrorism. There have been plenty of other instances involving “lone wolf” and “disturbed,” etc. drivers.

        • NicknotNick

          Yeah, no argument.

      • I mean didn’t they hide behind their women and pointed guns at the Feds a few years back?

  • Mellano

    Tensions began Friday night, as several hundred white supremacists chanted “White lives matter!” “You will not replace us!” and “Jews will not replace us!” as they carried torches marched in a parade through the University of Virginia campus.

    I don’t know if it’s good or bad that they’re not bothering with the pretense that TIDOS General Lee fought for the “Southern Way of Life,” including all those happy slaves.

    Also, I know it doesn’t need to be said here, but would like to see some of these stories note the number of white people killed by Lee’s rebels.

    • aab84

      As Jamelle Bouie and others have pointed out, it’s clarifying if nothing else. It’s a lot harder today for the average conservative to fight for preservation of Confederate symbols when they’re so explicitly linked to white supremacy and violence. Quiet part loud and all that. That’s what killed the battle flag in South Carolina. If these morons want statues to come down in a hurry, this is probably a pretty good way to accomplish it.

      • Mellano

        I hope so. After Trump swept to victory on a campaign raging against illegals and rapists, though, it’s really disquieting to see hundreds of Klansmen in all but name marching under torches.

        • D. C. Sessions

          Bullets are rather more public than ballots.

    • JMP

      They were traitors; let’s not give the Confederate shits credence by calling them “rebels”, that term shout be reserved for the heroes of Star Wars who were fighting an actual evil Empire.

      • Mellano

        Yeah, caught myself saying soldiers and held up. Didn’t revise far enough.

        • NicknotNick

          Both are accurate — a soldier can be a traitor, and a traitor doesn’t have to be a soldier. Using ‘soldier’ to refer to Confederate fighters isn’t wrong; and the Confederacy included many traitors who weren’t soldiers.

          • Mellano

            Accurate, but I think inadequate for a comment about their significance to American history.

            Typical caveat that they fought for a variety of reasons, like soldiers in every army, few of them were probably slaveholders, etc etc … they fought under the banner of white supremacy, and that’s worth repeating every time.

      • Lurking Canadian

        The Union soldiers shooting at them called them “rebels”. Lincoln’s order for mobilization after Ft. Sumter was a call for volunteers to “suppress rebellion”.

        It’s not exactly a euphemism.

        • Origami Isopod

          Yeah, that ship has sailed.

    • “Jews will not replace us!”

      “We will not, we will not be Jews,
      We will not, we will not be Jews,
      Just like a Nazi ready for a slaughter,
      We will not be Jews!”

  • NicknotNick

    Hopefully someone is here who knows something about semiotics or the analysis of social movements — I was thinking about how events today relate to the 1950s and 1960s. During that period, overt violence and formal discrimination against black people was deemed to be unacceptable — the KKK, Jim Crow voting laws, separate schools, all of these became beyond the pale. However, it was still fine to have a hit TV show centred on white good ol’ boys Confederate-flagged car, and you could gas on about General Lee and heritage and whatnot. White people were pushed back, but they weren’t challenged.

    Now, the symbolism of white supremacy is also being moved beyond the pale — this backlash is happening because the second stage of the Civil Rights movement is under way, removing the cultural and symbolic trappings of white people; in effect, pushing them back. This is why Trump was elected, and why his supporters are invigorated. It’s an ugly moment — but I guess I’d say that it’s a lot less uglier than the 1960s, the violence is less and the far right more marginalized. Of course, everything can get worse, but there is reason for, perhaps not optimism, but confidence in the strength of the center.

    • FlipYrWhig

      The Dukes of Hazzard was essentially Smokey and the Bandit. There was a weird moment in the 1970s and 1980s where redneck signified as anti-authoritarian rebel. That’s also where NASCAR came from.

      • NicknotNick

        I know — I was exactly the right age to watch the Dukes of Hazzard, and did . . . it was only a few years ago that I thought to myself “Hey, that’s a little weird . . . I grew up watching a show with a Confederate flag on the car . . . I wonder if that could be considered kind of racist?”

        • FlipYrWhig

          Didn’t Lynyrd Skynyrd use Confederate flags on their T shirts? Like you I look back with some surprise that this stuff was all over the place and yet I didn’t remember its being all that controversial. Then again I was in white-dominated NJ suburbia, so if POC were offended we’d never have heard about it.

          • NicknotNick

            Lynyrd Skynyrd were all over the Confederate flag — and to their credit, they announced a few years ago that it wouldn’t be used in their live shows any more. I am quite sure that most of the people who displayed it back then didn’t think too deeply about it, like you say it was just this outlaw symbol to most of them.

            • LosGatosCA

              Sweet Home Alabama was a direct response to Southern Man if I’ve read my internet history correctly.

              Which means they knew exactly who the outside agitators were.

              Luckily, if they’ve grown up that’s all to the good.

              • NicknotNick

                It was, but that feud was a bit tongue-in-cheek on both sides — Neil Young showed up to play Southern Man at one of their funerals, after the band was mostly wiped out in a car crash.

                Even their hits at the time didn’t totally fit into today’s redneck culture. Saturday Night Special is anti-gun, something totally lost on the people who listen to it now.

                • that feud was a bit tongue-in-cheek on both sides — Neil Young showed
                  up to play Southern Man at one of their funerals, after the band was
                  mostly wiped out in a car crash.

                  Sure does sound like an occasion for the good old tongue-in-cheek. Those wacky Canadians!

                • NicknotNick

                  Coincidentally, LGM house band Drive-By Truckers has weighed in on this (http://thrasherswheat.org/jammin/lynyrd.htm):

                  And out in California, a rock star from Canada writes a couple of great songs
                  about the bad shit that went down
                  “Southern Man” and “Alabama” certainly told some truth
                  But there were a lot of good folks down here and Neil Young wasn’t around
                  Now Ronnie and Neil became good friends
                  their feud was just in song
                  Skynyrd was a bunch of Neil Young fans and Neil he loved that song
                  So He wrote “Powderfinger” for Skynyrd to record
                  But Ronnie ended up singing “Sweet Home Alabama” to the lord</em/

                  http://thrasherswheat.org/jammin/lynyrd.htm

          • D. C. Sessions
        • There was a car in that show? I was too busy looking at Catherine Bach.

          • Gator90

            My first celebrity crush, along with (perhaps ironically) Kim Fields.
            I loved the Dukes of Hazzard as a kid; had no idea what the flag was about. When a few years later my Florida high school had a Dukes of Hazzard themed pep rally (the principal dressed up as Boss Hogg, I swear this is true), I had learned enough to be appalled.

        • David Allan Poe

          I was obsessed with that show when I was little. That moment where the Confederate flag got a “rebel” cachet was a real thing, and is part of the reason it still gets waved today by a certain kind of clueless, older white guy. White Southerners of a vaguely hippie bent often have complicated and not-very-well thought out relationships to Southern history.

          Tom Petty has a great essay somewhere about why he started using it as an image in the 70s and why he became more and more aware of why it was a problem in the early 80s, finally getting rid of it as part of his image.

        • JMP

          When that show was originally on I watched it regularly, and being a small child had no idea of the racist connotations of the flag on the car and the name they gave to it. Now I feel embarrassed for having watched it, though I really didn’t know better at the time.

      • BiloSagdiyev

        ” There was a weird moment in the 1970s and 1980s where redneck signified as anti-authoritarian rebel.”

        I think that kinda depends on where you lived, because I can tell you, it rolls on.

    • D. C. Sessions

      Sixty-ish years ago Bull Connor served to put a face to “cops who beat and kill negros.” Today, there are thousands of faceless Bull Connors who don’t work nearly as well to focus disapproval.

      Sixty years ago an Ivy League professor of English could fail a “literacy test.” Today, they have learned enough statistics to just make voting more difficult for enough of the “wrong” people to flip an election.

      Sixty years ago the majority of American high school history classes basically taught about Reconstruction from the Dunning School perspective. Today, the texts are less slanted but the in-class lessons?

      • Unemployed_Northeastern

        Have you seen some of the edits in the TX history books, though? Replacing the word “slaves” with “imported workers,” claiming that Moses was the inspiration for the Declaration of Independence, etc.

        • D. C. Sessions

          Still a lot less blatant than the Dunning School material.

  • Trump undoubtedly annoyed that his base of dimwits and trolls can’t congregate without being beat down by those BLM hooligans. White genocide!

  • JMP

    I’m sure that Fox News is already coming up with ways to claim that the Nazis’ violence was all completely the fault of the liberal counter-protesters.

    • spork_incident

      Already did:

      Fox News host asks guest, re: Charlottesville: "Does the left have any responsibility in this?"— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) August 12, 2017

      .

      • Hogan

        The answer may surprise you!

      • JMP

        Of course they did.

      • Uncle_Ebeneezer
        • NEOLIBERAL BLACKMAIL!

        • Kubricks_Rube

          *Did you vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election? —> YES —> Do you work for a major media outlet? —> YES —> Is your name David Fahrenthold? —> NO —>Trump is your fault.

      • already replied to on Twitter about the right being tired of the left for this. Someone also said something about being called Nazis so long they HAD to act like them.

    • The Great God Pan

      Apparently cops are claiming that the driver was “scared” of the counter-protesters and “wasn’t malicious.” This is via journalist Taylor Lorenz tweeting from the Charlottesville police department.

      • Lurking Canadian

        Of course they are. Nothing to see here, just a scared person defending himself. They’ve said it after so many “officer-involved shootings” it must be almost Pavlovian reflex by now.

      • Hogan

        How do they know? Did they catch him?

        • The Great God Pan

          No, that was apparently just their natural assumption as cops. She later said the cops who said that weren’t at the scene and hadn’t seen any of the videos.

  • BiloSagdiyev

    Charlottesville needs a toll booth.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbWg-mozGsU

  • D. C. Sessions
    • Daniel

      I took the liberty to steal this picture for my Facebook feed. Hope that’s OK!

      • D. C. Sessions

        Not mine — might look at the metadata, but if someone wants to enforce the copyright it’s going to be a target-rich environment.

        • Dr. Acula

          The photo appears to not have any metadata on it.

          • D. C. Sessions

            $HERSELF suggests googling an image search and going for the oldest match.

    • Lurking Canadian

      That image is fucking horrifying. If I worked in US media, I’d immediately start looking for living veterans of Omaha Beach, or perhaps Rangers who were at the liberation of Buchenwald to see if they might have comments on how it feels to see “patriots” proudly flying the damned swastika in broad daylight. (I do not mean to diminish the equal horror of “patriots” proudly marching under the Dixie swastika, but it is, sadly, not shocking).

      • BiloSagdiyev

        Such veterans are quite hard to find anymore. It might be easier to just buy an old P-47 Thunderbolt, restore it carefully, slowly accumulate eight working 50 caliber machine guns…

        Well, that wouldn’t be easy, either, but it would be a good living history exhibition, and fun for some.

        • Bruce Baugh

          The P-38 Pilots Association is still hanging in there….

          • D. C. Sessions

            P-51s aren’t quite as well suited for close air support as P47s, but there are a lot of them still flying. A fact which, BTW, leaves me with mixed feelings where museum pieces are concerned.

            • Bruce Baugh

              Let a hundred machine guns bloom, let a hundred models of aircraft contend.

              • D. C. Sessions

                Virginia officials say that the State Police helicopter today (two dead) was related to the violence in Charlottesville. No details yet.

      • billcinsd

        Well if you stormed Normandy at age 20, you would be 93 now. I think the closest living association to the Civil War may be John Tyler’s grandkids

    • Wojciech

      can we at least round them up, ship them off to Pyongyang and let Kim Jong Un make short work of them if the Orange Führer decides to start a war with North Korea?!?

    • Cheap Wino

      Says everything that the jackasses burnishing the flag of treason are just fine marching right along with that guy (who’s shirt has a confederate flag on it, btw).

    • LeeEsq

      God damn them all to hell.

  • shah8

    Well, it’s not like I haven’t lost all patience with liberalism, but looking at ThrottleJockey make a mess of things, well…

    A statement:

    What has been driving this is “impunity”. Impunity for white people, of violent white men. Every time a cop gets to kill non-whites without consequence, the violence today is more likely. Every time white collar criminal gets to engage in major criminality, while the SEC focuses on penny-ante insider trading cases or targeting non-whites for “flash crashes”, Trump is more likely. Every time an Elaine Pao gets slapped down for the sake of the tech bros, dystopian repressive technology is more likely.

    *EVERYTHING* is built on the secure knowledge that other white people will never truly repress the “rights” of their worst people. The word is that the ACLU prevented the City of Charlottesville from banning this tragedy, for the sake of protecting the rights of Nazis to assemble and speak. Rights that are not protected for normal minority people expressing actual real concerns. There are still, for all intents and purposes, black political prisoners in Mo jails for what went down in Ferguson.

    If you, as a white person, want to change things, you’re gonna have to penalize the fuckers among you. Including punching the fuck out of the Nazis.

    • NicknotNick

      These vehement assertions of the need to punch Nazis always remind me of the campus radical debate in Zabriskie Point.

      Also, it’s a bit absurd to put a racial frame on who has to deal with this. Black Americans and Jews, Latinos and Native Americans, all have full rights to protest and oppose fascists; and saying ‘white people need to deal with this’ is actually pretty similar to the absurd far right obsession with black people cleaning up their own communities, solving ‘black on black’ violence, etc. Since this protest is essentially opposed to the principle of an inclusive, multi-racial America, it doesn’t make sense to restrict the role of so many people in opposing it.

      • shah8

        You, stupid, fucking moron.

        • NicknotNick

          Ah, the cut and thrust of lively debate!

          • shah8

            Your post was too unintelligible to even work with, never mind the bald assertions of things that weren’t true.

        • shah8

          okay, that last word is ablist, but the other words are not epithets. They accurately describe what your behavior and that last post reflects.

      • Hogan

        White people are the ones best situated to walk point on such an effort. If they’re not pushing it forward, it won’t happen.

      • stepped pyramids

        After centuries of white supremacy, it’s ridiculous for white people to turn around and say “hey, let’s work together and fix this!” to the people they are still oppressing.

        • NicknotNick

          But the opposite — “Hey, let’s not work together and fix this!” — would be equally ridiculous.

          • stepped pyramids

            White people have the power and the responsibility for white supremacy. What can we ask? “Please help us not hurt you anymore?” That’s what an abuser says to their victim.

            shah8 never said “let’s not work together”. The fact that you read that into an argument about how white people need to fix things is your problem.

      • Uncle_Ebeneezer

        saying ‘white people need to deal with this’ is actually pretty similar to the absurd far right obsession with black people cleaning up their own communities,

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1becd227225fec97edab8cb299cc9ed6b2d8aa10b14011173cb164937e229102.png

      • JKTH

        saying ‘white people need to deal with this’ is actually pretty similar
        to the absurd far right obsession with black people cleaning up their
        own communities, solving ‘black on black’ violence, etc.

        Other than being completely different, I guess they are pretty similar.

    • TJ

      Sorry if you feel like I’m making a mess of things but people who defend black face have zero credibility on racial issues. None. Zilch-o. I speak up here because of the same reasons BLM spoke up Sanders’ and Clinton’s rallies.

    • NicknotNick

      You know, if TJ is the only person who agrees with me, there is a not-insignificant chance that I’m wrong . . . Shah8, if I misread your post, I apologize — since we’re on the same side, why argue about hypotheticals? When you get down to it, all of our opposition is basically either voting or protesting, and I doubt that either you or I will vote for Republicans or join Nazi protests.

    • Bugboy

      Nazi Lives Matter, amirite?

  • keta

    “…hatred and bigotry on many sides…may sides…”

    Fuck you, Trump.

    • BiloSagdiyev

      Will anyone in the White House press pool be asking if the president’s father ever talked to him about his participation in this kind of scuffle, and why he was arrested?

      (Just kidding.)

    • Unemployed_Northeastern

      This is a totally unexpected turn of events from the guy who was still shouting that the Central Park Five were guilty LAST SUMMER.

  • SomeTreasonBrewing

    Shorter PatheticOTUS: Yay military! Let’s love peace so white families can have safe picnics! Yay law enforcement! Yay military!

  • Terrible. Disgusting.

  • Trump’s response was pathetic.

    • Unemployed_Northeastern

      And yet completely predictable.

    • Wojciech

      He can’t really condemn them, because they’re his base and everyone knows it. But he seems to have a (very) rudimentary understanding that as President, he can’t really condone even his most ardent Trumpanzees rioting in the street.

      damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. Sad!

      • D. C. Sessions

        It’s tough to be caught between your need to be universally admired, your own deepest beliefs [1][2], your need to pander to your base, and your dim grasp that there’s no way to satisfy all three.

        [1] In his own wonderfulness and
        [2] The flaming bigotry inherited from his father

    • The Great God Pan

      I mean, his response to Trumpkins beating up a homeless Latino man while shouting pro-Trump rhetoric was

      “I will say that people who are following me are very passionate. They love this country and they want this country to be great again. They are passionate.”

      We’re probably lucky he is issuing wishy-washy admonitions to “many sides” instead of actively encouraging the Nazis.

      • D. C. Sessions

        We’re probably lucky he is issuing wishy-washy admonitions to “many sides” instead of actively encouraging the Nazis.

        There’s still time. Check again early tomorrow.

    • Joe Paulson

      Hillary Clinton’s response was pretty good. Taking oxygen out of the room again.

      • BiloSagdiyev

        I like the way she talks. It sounds presidential.
        (sniff)

    • Hogan

      He could have just waited and retweeted Orrin Hatch.

      https://twitter.com/senorrinhatch/status/896235046138458112

      • Joe Paulson

        My choice of the top four choices at the moment to be in the Oval Office.

  • Joe Paulson

    “mostly out-of-state protesters”

    Damn outside agitators.

    I, quite seriously, understand there is some value in people like Rep. Ryan stating that the actions by the white supremacists were and continue to be “repugnant.” There are levels of wrong. But, big picture, I respect those whose basic response was “You support Trump.”

    • D. C. Sessions

      Speaker Ryan wasn’t terribly clear as to exactly who he found repugnant. Might have been the antifa protesters.

  • Sarah Swift

    Does anyone have any insight into police behavior? In July they showed up full storm trooper and seemed to be MIA today.

    https://acluva.org/19966/legal-organizations-ask-local-and-state-officials-to-investigate-police-response-to-klan-counter-protest/

    • There were 40 KKK members in July. Today apparently there were hundreds if not a couple thousand. And heavily armed militia.

      They were (justifiably) scared of the menacing guys with AR-15s and body armor.

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