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I mean, sure you would think that Jeffrey Loria would be the worst possible person to own the Marlins, barring Daniel Snyder wanting to break into baseball. But no! Evidently, no one can join the new Marlins ownership team without breaking into a special elite rich man’s douche club.

Former New York Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter is part of a group led by ex-Florida Gov. Jeb Bush that has reached an agreement to purchase the Miami Marlins after submitting a bid of $1.3 billion, according to multiple media reports.

Jeter and Jeb! Was Henry Kissinger not available? Pat Buchanan too busy talking to white nationalist groups to get involved? Alex Rodriguez too busy worshiping portraits of himself? John Elway too involved in hanging out with the equine side of his family? At the very least, it would seem to serve Tom Brady’s trips to visit Herr Trump at Mar-a-Lago.

Still, one can assume Scott Walker was too lame and boring to get invited into this club, which at least says something for them. Can still root for the Marlins over the Brewers anyway.

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  • efgoldman

    Well, hell, Erik, maybe you and I and all the LG&M front pagers should have bought the team. We could pool all our retirement accounts for a down payment and finance the rest on our credit cards.

    Paraphrasing myself from the “Obama is a sellout for taking big money for speeches” thread downstairs: When the great socialist paradise comes, all the rich athletes, team owners, actors, pop stars, media stars, industrialists, financiers, real estate speculators, and just plain wealthy will be up against the wall. We’ll invite you and Murc to pull the trigger; then all their assets will be… well we can’t distribute them to anybody else, because it’s evil, tainted money. I guess we’ll just have to burn it or dump it in the ocean.

    Or we could just recognize that rich people get to do rich people things that the rest of us can’t. Like buying sports teams.

    • Linnaeus

      When the great socialist paradise comes

      I don’t think you need to worry about that.

      • efgoldman

        I don’t think you need to worry about that.

        When my granddaughter’s granddaughter’s granddaughter is my age, maybe what’s left of the world that’s not underwater or burned will start moving in that direction.
        But probably not.

    • Murc

      We’ll invite you and Murc to pull the trigger;

      Leave me out of your lurid revenge porn, thank you.

      then all their assets will be… well we can’t distribute them to anybody else, because it’s evil, tainted money.

      Why couldn’t we redistribute seized wealth?

      Or we could just recognize that rich people get to do rich people things that the rest of us can’t. Like buying sports teams.

      Does… anyone not recognize this fact? This is a post about that very fact.

      • efgoldman

        Leave me out of your lurid revenge porn, thank you.

        Not my revenge. I don’t give a shit who owns the Marlins or any other sports team, unless they’ve been convicted for something.

        This is a post about that very fact.

        Erik’s last two paragraphs are a specific, sarcastic commentary on these two potential owners. What makes them better, or worse? Because one was an awful governor of Florida and a worse presidential candidate? That the other was a star for the Yankees who was never as good as playing in New York made him out to be? So?

  • medrawt

    I’m sort of stumped as to what JEB brings to the table here. Jeter is the more sellable “face” AND has the higher net worth, and in any case the two of them together don’t come close to what you need to buy a team so they need to go find some moneybags’ anyway. Is the idea that JEB is going to somehow do a lot to grease the wheels with Miami politics more than you’d just get with Jeter + billions?

    • efgoldman

      Is the idea that JEB is going to somehow do a lot to grease the wheels with Miami politics more than you’d just get with Jeter + billions?

      What do they need that Loria didn’t get? He got a stadium in 2012. I don’t know enough about the area – are they looking for special access roads? An extension of the subway/elevated? A million sandbags for when the ocean rises?
      Maybe he got a bit of a thrill when little brother “owned” the Rangers, and he wants a little bit of the thrill.

      • Warren Terra

        I’d been assuming they were looking for a repeat of what Jeb!’s more successful brother accomplished: a massive “stadium” project requiring land seizures and public money that would enrich all the partners, with baseball a a neglected sideline. But if the team’s stadium isn’t even five years old, surely that isn’t the plan? And if that isn’t the plan, why bother with Jeb! ?

        • cleter

          Maybe, like Jeb’s 2016 campaign, it’s just not a very well thought out plan.

        • kped

          Nope that isn’t in the plans. The current stadium was the massive “project” that needed all that money and enriched Loria.

    • Crusty

      Jeb is going to be in charge of telling the crowd to “please clap” after good plays.

      • Woodrowfan

        +370 OBP

    • Ahuitzotl

      JEB can call on his brothers expertise in team management, obviously.

  • Is Derek Jeter a bad guy? I thought he was a popular baseball man, or so I came to learn from 30 Rock.

    • efgoldman

      Is Derek Jeter a bad guy?

      I hated him because: Yankees. It was my birthright and my obligation.
      But as far as I know, he was as squeaky clean as it is possible for a super-high profile, super high-paid, New York athlete to be.

      • Thlayli

        … as far as I know, he was as squeaky clean as it is possible for a super-high profile, super high-paid, New York athlete to be.

        See also:
        Wright, D.
        Lundqvist, H.
        Manning, E.

    • jeer9

      It has been noted on this blog more than once that his reputation with attractive women is less than chivalrous.

      My last name is very close to Jeter and is often pronounced (incorrectly) like his. I once had to admonish a traffic court judge about mangling it in that fashion, explaining, as I was from Boston, that I did not appreciate even a remote, unintentional affiliation with the Yankee shortstop.

      He smirked like a knowledgeable baseball fan – then showed not a hint of mercy in his dispensation of my case.

      • medrawt

        But has he ever really been criticized for it? He’s certainly received a lot more public attaboys than shaming. When the unconfirmed stories came out towards the end of his career about how he handled his casual hookups, a lot of people seemed to smirk and say “that’s about right,” but did anybody really go in on him for being a cad? I think his implicit forthrightness about it kind of insulated him from people thinking he was a bad guy: “I’m in New York City, I’m incredibly rich, reasonably good looking, a local hero, and I intend to have a lot of fun with as many gorgeous women as I can, and I’m not going to take it too seriously, and nobody’s ever going to say I misrepresented my intentions or led anybody on.” (Unless they have, and I missed it.)

      • twbb

        “It has been noted on this blog more than once that his reputation with attractive women is less than chivalrous.”

        Heavens forfend! I seriously don’t care about baseball or know much about it, but what exactly has he done other than date a lot of attractive women?

        • Crusty

          He had intercourse outside of marriage.

          Also, I once read an item about him being on vacation in Italy and splitting an inexpensive restaurant bill with his then fiance Hannah.

      • randy khan

        The stories about Jeter’s romantic life struck me as slightly odd, but also like something a famous athlete would come up with as a way to make sure his partners knew it was just a one-off thing and no hard feelings. Also, as others have noted, it doesn’t sound like he did anything but hook up with willing participants. As far as I’m concerned, that pretty much ends the discussion. It made no difference in how I felt about him, although it did amuse me in the context of him being held up as a paragon by Yankee fans.

    • SIWOTI

      I don’t think Derek Jeter’s an entirely bad guy, but he was overrated over his entire baseball career, a situation that was entirely aided and abetted by the New York sports media. His defensive range was pitiable, and he was a below average short stop defensively every year for his entire career except for 2005. He was never the best shortstop in MLB during his entire career, with even his best year – 1999 – being overshadowed by Nomar Garciaparra. And that’s really more damning in my opinion: he was showered with praise and devotion, even though he was second-best (sometimes not even that), just because he played for the Yankees and played in New York.

      During Jeter’s career, he was never as good of a shortstop as Garciaparra, nor was he ever as valuable as Alex Rodriguez, whom he forced over to third base, even though Rodriguez was the better defensive player at shortstop. As the years rolled on, Jeter never reached the heights of his younger playing days, and was, at best, an above average short stop. Jeter had durability and longevity, and for that, he’ll probably be in the Hall of Fame. He was good for a very long time. But aside from one or two seasons, he was never great. But because he played in New York, he was showered with media attention and money.

      • gorillagogo

        I hate the Yankees as much as anyone else, but this is pretty absurd. Sure, A-Rod was better, but the fact that Rickey Henderson was better than Tim Raines doesn’t mean Raines wasn’t still a great leadoff hitter. Jeter has the 8th highest career fWAR of any shortstop in the history of the game. He’s a first ballot hall of famer.

        • SIWOTI

          Jeter was great for maybe 3 seasons, but he was good for 15 of them. He built up career numbers by being good for a very long time. Which a lot of Hall of Famers are – great for a few seasons, and good for a lot more. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t still overrated by the New York sports media.

      • Rob in CT

        And here we see the overcorrection due to irritation with the NY sports media being idiots/homers.

        Nomar, 1999: 6.6 WAR (his best year was 2000, with 7.4)
        Career: 44.2

        Jeter, 1999: 8.0 WAR, Career: 71.8

        Now a chunk of the career discrepancy is simply that Jeter was healthier, but that counts. I remember debating Jeter/Nomar with a Sox fan back around their primes and I took the Nomar side, whereas he took the Jeter side. That all died down b/c Nomar couldn’t stay healthy. If he hadn’t hurt his wrist, who knows?

        Jeter’s ability really was pumped up by the NY media, particularly his D, which was flat bad most of the time (career dWAR of -9.7) while mediots slobbered over how great he was. Which lead to totally undeserved GG awards. So I get it: he was in fact overrated by people who didn’t pay attention to sabremetrics, and this was annoying. It was annoying to me, even, because I think if the Yankees had sat him down back in the early 2000s and told him to work on his range (the way they did in the 2004-2005 offseason), when he was still relatively young, he would have been a better defender for those years.

        Anyway, even accounting for his shortcomings, he was a great player.

        Regarding the ARod to 3B thing, yes, when it was done that was foolish (be happy, it might’ve cost the Yankees some wins!), but given the way ARod’s mobility dropped (especially with the hip problems), it was probably only dumb for a few years.

        ETA: with regard to not being the best SS in any given year but for a year or two… the same exact thing is true of Mariano Rivera. Mo was usually not the single best relief ace in any given year. But he was typically top 3 or so, year in year out for like 20 years. He was, provided health, always up there with a rotating cast of characters (the other one who was often there was Trevor Hoffman).

        • kped

          Agreed on all counts. I think the “Jeter was overrated” has gone so far that he’s now slightly underrated. He definitely had a HOF career. 3400 hits is nothing to sneeze at. His career WAR is higher than the average HOF SS (he is 12th all time):

          http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_SS.shtml

          (looking at that list, should Alan Trammell be in the HOF? Right there with Jeter in WAR and JAWS, only buy in that range not in. He’s one of those “doesn’t feel like a HOF” players who probably should be in, just looking at those numbers).

          • rea

            Trammell and his partner Lou Whitaker were both better than Jeter, but Yankees get all the media love, and Detroit is, well, Detroit.

          • SIWOTI

            Looking at that list, maybe Trammell should be in the HOF. Trammell had 3 great seasons and 10 good ones.

            But he wasn’t as good as Jeter, nor was he as good as long as Jeter was.

        • randy khan

          As a Mets fan, I got into a ton of Jeter debates with Yankee fans when he retired, and my take is that he is wildly overrated by Yankee fans (collectively – there are some who see him clearly), many of whom insist he is no-doubt the best shortstop in the history of the game, and who reacted violently (in a rhetorical sense) when I suggested that he merely is in the top 10. It’s a peculiarly Yankee fan thing.

          I have no doubt that the reaction to the Yankee fan craziness has led some people to underrate Jeter. Also, if you ever listened to John Sterling talk about Jeter, you probably decided that he had to be overrated.

          As an amusing aside, Jeter’s WAR puts him exactly one spot ahead of Rafael Palmeiro on the career list. Also, he is well ahead of Hall of Fame shortstop Phil Rizzuto, so that’s definitive proof he’s the GOAT.

        • SIWOTI

          I’ll grant that Jeter’s 1999 is his best case, but Jeter was really bad on the field. Historically bad. Almost his worst year on the field bad.
          Jeter 1999:
          VORP: 97.5
          FRAA: -28.1
          WARP: 6.5

          Garciaparra 1999:
          VORP: 80.8
          FRAA: 5.0
          WARP: 8.0

          Did he have a better batting year? Yes. But he also cost his team way more runs, and overall, was worse of a shortstop that year. Jeter was a great player for 3 years, and was a good shortstop for 15 years. Garciaparra had 6 great seasons, and was sadly unable to have any good seasons period. Some careers get cut down by injury before their time. And that’s why Jeter will be in the Hall of Fame, and Garciaparra won’t.

    • Mellano

      He was overrated most of his career, though as the comments above note most fans who cared eventually understood that (towards the end stories even came out of the Yankees organization about Jeter acknowledging his defensive liabilities … though they had this obnoxious spin that no one in the organization told him he had a weak spot until the end of his career, and once he started to train to improve his range, he got better, so who knows what could have been …)

      There was always a sense that he managed his public persona carefully to avoid controversy. Which is fine, but when combined with the inflated appraisal of his skills by most people in the sports and general media, and the transparent enthusiasm of Jeter and the Yankees to commercialize his image, is kind of cloying. I think to a degree beyond even most other stars in New York. For instance the 30 stadium encomium tour during his retirement year which was not thrown for players of his generation who were unqualifiedly better.

      • EliHawk

        I mean, I remember Chipper Jones (a worse player, probably, without looking up the stats) getting something like that at about the same time, so it’s not completely unheard of.

        • SIWOTI

          Chipper Jones is an all-time top 30 player, the second-best switch hitter of all time, and a not so great human being.

      • EliHawk

        I mean, I remember Chipper Jones (a worse player, probably, without looking up the stats) getting something like that at about the same time, so it’s not completely unheard of.

  • ThresherK

    Jeb Bush will do the impossible: Make (what remains of) the Marlins fan base pray for the return of Jeffrey Fucking Loria.

  • gyrfalcon

    The Marlins agreed to sell only after carefully considering the counter-offer from Rick Scott (“After careful consideration, I do not see any conflicts of interest worth mentioning; the last ones lapsed on January 19, 2017”) and Curt Schilling (“Why, no, I don’t think the State of Rhode Island is going to have any questions at all about my ownership stake in this team”).

  • Denverite

    John Elway too involved in hanging out with the equine side of his family?

    I have it on good authority that Elway has been hanging out on the beach in LA with his wife (and former Raiders cheerleader), Paige Elway. Her public Instagram feed, on which she posts pictures of their travels, is weinermomma. I shit you not.

    • ThresherK

      Literal Face-of-the-Franchise Elway married a Raiders’ cheerleader?

      In Connecticut, when a Yankee fan and Red Sox fan somehow get to the altar, we call that a mixed marriage.

      • Rob in CT

        My wife’s a Sox fan, albeit a very casual one.

  • kped

    Who is the real money person in this deal? These two are not big money guys, they need someone real backing them. Apparently they will only be allowed to finance something like $400M via debt, so they are clearly unable to pay the equity portion ($900M).

  • lahtiji

    Some local perspective. This is currently the banner on the Sun-Sentinel’s website.

  • BiloSagdiyev

    Pat Buchanan is probably trying to organize an all-white baseball league. George Will was on board, but only for the sake of history and tradition, but insisted on wool uniforms and no air conditioning anywhere in the stadium. And, of course, no blue jeans allowed.

    DAMMIT how did I get this far in life without realizing Elway has a horse head?

  • randy khan

    Jeb!, as usual, got the order wrong: Baseball team first, then governor, then run for President.

  • osceola

    Manfred says it’s not a done deal yet and other bids are still in play.

    http://deadspin.com/do-jeb-and-jeets-have-enough-money-to-buy-the-marlins-1794660337

  • Bitter Scribe

    I realize that lots of people don’t like the Yankees, but lumping Jeter in with Pat Buchanan, Scott Walker and Henry Kissinger seems a little over the top.

    • efgoldman

      lumping Jeter in with Pat Buchanan, Scott Walker and Henry Kissinger seems a little over the top.

      That prompted my initial comment at the top: What makes him unqualified or disqualified as an owner, assuming the financing works? Same with ?jeb?

    • I apologize to Pat Buchanan for comparing him to Jeter.

      • efgoldman

        I apologize to Pat Buchanan for comparing him to Jeter.

        Given who actually owns pro sports franchises in the US and Canada, what makes these two guys a uniquely poor choice? They’re certainly no worse than Luria. Should he put the Marlins up for a public stock sale like the Packers?

        ETA And in fact elsewhere, too

        • Hungover Hank Moody

          Just so we’re clear, Jeter is History’s Greatest Monster because….

          a) His defense at short wasn’t always stellar.

          b) He bangs more supermodels than Trump could ever dream of.

          LOCK. HIM. UP!!!!1111!!!!

  • cpinva

    “barring Daniel Snyder wanting to break into baseball.”

    if the owners of MLB were smart, they’d do exactly this.

    • efgoldman

      if the owners of MLB were smart, they’d do exactly this.

      It would guarantee a team that would never win anything

      • Bill Murray

        which they need again after the Cubs won the series. I guess the Twins will probably qualify in a few years

  • wengler

    Sports teams are good indicators of how well rich people are doing because they are a scarce resource that is highly coveted. As we can see here, rich people are hurting and desperately need a tax cut.

  • mikeSchilling

    I bow to no one in thinking that Jeter was overrated, but he’s not a villain.

    Of course, I think the same thing about Tim Tebow.

    • Bill Murray

      Jeter apparently gave herpes to several women he dated, which is kind of villainous once he knew he had herpes

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