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Winner of the Week: Dr. Jill Stein, MD

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No wonder Stein thought Hillary Clinton was the more dangerous evil — after all, would Clinton have been willing to stick it to BIG VAXX like Trump?

On Wednesday, Kennedy said that he’s been contacted by the Trump administration three times since their original meeting in January. “They tell me that they’re still going forward with a commission,” Kennedy said, adding that he “can’t tell” whether it will happen. BuzzFeed News has asked the administration for comment on these claims.

But in a panel discussion at the National Press Club in Washington D.C. on Wednesday that included the actor Robert De Niro, Kennedy argued that the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention, in cahoots with journalists, have been denying the dangers of vaccines, fueled largely by money pumped in by a powerful pharmaceutical industry. He called the public health agency a “cesspool of corruption” and “a vaccine company,” that hid science from the public. To that end, Kennedy announced the “World Mercury Project Challenge,” offering $100,000 to anyone who could find a scientific study that demonstrated the safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines in children and pregnant women.

“What we’ve been told is not science. It’s more akin to religion. It’s orthodoxy,” Kennedy told an audience of perhaps two dozen journalists, and several thousand people watching the livestream on his group’s Facebook page. “We need to break this impasse.”

Make America whooping cough again!

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  • efgoldman

    I think we need to inject Kennedy, Stein, and the bimbo who’s name I forget, with smallpox, diphtheria, tetanus, and polio.
    Not the vaccines, the actual live disease microbes.
    See how they like it.

    • Colin Day

      and the bimbo who’s name I forget,

      Jenny McCarthy?

      • Jack M.

        If it’s her, to be the tiniest, minisculely, most homeopathically fair to her, McCarthy’s stopped hawking the antivax line. Instead she’s gone on to hawking e-cigs.

        • tsam

          As public health threats go, this is a huge step up. But the damage is done now. Once the MY RITES PARENTS THO crowd picked this up…it was long past saving.

          That’s one thing about Americans that is just completely fucking batty and infuriating. I was listening to a cop (!) who had been in a nasty motorcycle wreck without a helmet (!) that caused some permanent head trauma at a public hearing designed to ditch Washington’s helmet law.

          The text of his sobfest was that he may or may not wear a helmet, probably would, BUT I WANT THAT CHOICE. Good lord. Of all the stupid shit to worry about–a safety device while using government roads? Really?

          Art? Ok. Helmets and seatbelts? NO.

          • bs

            I’m OK with no helmets. As long as you’re willing to pay outrageous amounts for insurance, because I certainly don’t want to pay hospital bills caused by your own stupidity. I guess some people just want to feel the concrete in their hair.

            • Warren Terra

              Don’t forget to include in the insurance coverage compensation for the emotional distress of other participants in the accident, in the response, and bystanders, all because the motorcycle rider decided to forgo a helmet and mentally traumatize them.

            • cpinva

              “As long as you’re willing to pay outrageous amounts for insurance,”

              that’s just it, the motorcycle police aren’t paying the premiums, while they’re on duty, the municipality is. that insurance covers both the rider, passenger, and any alleged 3rd party involved in the bike fall. the problem is they have zero coverage at work, and non-coverage at home.

      • efgoldman

        Jenny McCarthy?

        yeah

      • CrunchyFrog

        Agree with the sentiment but as a rule try not to perpetuate the many, many female-only disparaging terms that we have in English. “Asshole” works fine. “Moronic porn star” if you must.

    • DrDick

      All of the antivax loons are a serious threat to public health and need to be quarantined, preferably on the dark side of the moon.

  • royko

    To that end, Kennedy announced the “World Mercury Project Challenge,” offering $100,000 to anyone who could find a scientific study that demonstrated the safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines in children and pregnant women.

    Easiest money I ever made

    • Warren Terra

      There’s essentially unlimited evidence for the safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines in children (they were widespread and then they weren’t, with no resulting benefit found, so basically the whole country participated in an experiment), but (speaking as a non-medical person) I don’t know that it’s common to vaccinate pregnant women, or especially to to studies on pregnant women, so the data in that category may be lacking, allowing this shame to his father’s name to wriggle out of forking over.

      • searcher

        Speaking as someone with a new baby, they actually specifically vaccinated my wife for a couple of things while pregnant – she wasn’t behind on her shots, there was some benefit to revaccinating the mother prenatally.

      • Ithaqua

        Actually, with respect to “they were widespread and then they weren’t”, this isn’t true, they just stopped being made. However, there were vast supplies in storage of some of the vaccines that kept getting shipped and used, and there still are (according to my wife, who would know) plenty of thimerosal-containing vaccines around that aren’t getting used, or maybe shipped to the third world. So it was more like a gradual phaseout over a long time rather than a sharp drop off. Still, your fundamental point is unaffected by this, given the amount of time that’s passed.

      • DocAmazing

        Pregnant women are routinely given Tdap (tetanus-pertussis) booster to prevent babies from getting whooping cough. They are sometimes even given live-virus vaccines like MMR is there’s a risk of measles or rubella (nice measles outbreak going on in West L.A. right now–get it while it’s hot!).

  • LastUniversalCommonAncestor

    That $100k “challenge” is straight out of the Creationist playbook. Kent Hovind had one out for years, before he ended up in the slammer for tax evasion.
    Like that one, this challenge can’t be won either: you can’t prove that thimerosal is not toxic, you can only show that there is no evidence that it is.

    • rea

      Plus, no true Scotsman.

    • ColBatGuano

      you can’t prove that thimerosal is not toxic, you can only show that there is no evidence that it is.

      Right. All he’ll need is a single study, no matter how badly designed or executed, that shows an adverse effect and he declares victory. It’s like those voter fraud clowns telling us to “prove it didn’t happen”.

  • tsam

    Makes this statement:

    Kennedy argued that the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention, in cahoots with journalists, have been denying the dangers of vaccines, fueled largely by money pumped in by a powerful pharmaceutical industry.

    (NO EVIDENCE CITED)

    anyone who could find a scientific study that demonstrated the safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines in children and pregnant women.

    You’re the one making the anti-science claim. Commission your own study from actual scientists instead of asking every crank on the internet to paste together a bunch of articles and blog posts and calling it a study.

    Fucking morons. What the fuck is happening to the world?

    • bs

      “Fucking magnets, how do they work?
      And I don’t wanna talk to a scientist
      Y’all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed.”

      I figured it out….Republicans are Juggalos!

      • Republicans are nowhere near as amusing as Juggalos. I feel this rises almost to the level of defamation.

  • Jack M.

    Every day since Trump became president, at least once a day the phrase, ‘WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE :( ” goes through my mind. (Including the frownie.) I just thought it would be by Idiot Amin’s jackbooted thugs, or a nuclear fireball, or at the hands of Lord Humungous when the American West turns into Mad Max’s Australia. I hadn’t figured that it would be death by smallpox.

    • ΧΤΠΔ

      How long until diphtheria becomes a thing again?

      • rea

        Cholera, the way things are going.

        • ΧΤΠΔ

          Cholera hasn’t been memory-holed out of popular culture (tee-hee) the way the strangling angel has.

    • Abbey Bartlet

      Idiot Amin

      Oh bravo!

      • Anna in PDX

        Seconded. I saw a big list of Trump nicknames a while ago and this is hands down my favorite.

  • proportionwheel

    One of the things about being old is that I can actually remember when my folks wouldn’t let me swim in public pools because of the risk of polio. ‘Course that was also a time when most of the rivers and many lakes were too polluted to swim in, either. And the air where we lived at the time was semi-opaque and you could smell the place from the outskirts as you approached, because of pollution from chemical plants. Ah, them were the good ol’ days, back when America was great.

  • jim, some guy in iowa

    has De Niro bought into this crap?

    • Warren Terra

      There was a story awhile back that his Tribeca Film Festival was going to feature a documentary valorizing Andrew Wakefield until people started getting upset. So, probably?

      • It seems he may be anti-vax curious.

      • jim, some guy in iowa

        yeah, that would seem to do it. I thought maybe he was old enough to know better, and if De Niro had been arguing against Kennedy the panel discussion would have been possibly interesting viewing

    • The Great God Pan

      Yes. He claims that his son became autistic overnight after being vaccinated.

      • altofront

        I assume the reason this response happens so much is that the MMR vaccine is given right at the age when developmental delays, and differences from typical kids, would begin to be more evident.

        • Cheap Wino

          Yes. That and the fish story effect where something that happened ‘months after’ eventually becomes ‘days after’, or ‘immediately after’ a couple of years later.

  • e.a.foster

    some of these people must be nuts. I’m old. I remember life before and after Polio vaccines. I remember going to school with kids who had a dead or disabled parent. I remember iron lungs. Then they developed a vaccine against polio. No dead kids or parents, No iron lungs. Don’t like vaccines, let them have polio and see how they like that.

    Not all people tolerate all vaccines. However, given the number who don’t tolerate them and the number in the world who are saved by vaccines, if you don’t want vaccines to be used, yes, let them have the whooping cough. The coughing doesn’t stop. Kids die from it.

    Of course there were a bunch of nut bars in one central American country who did not permit the U.N. to vaccinate the children in that country for free because that was “communism”. It happened back in the `1970s. Guess that mind set may be still alike and well in the U.S.A.

    if the U.S.A. stops vaccinating people, they may find they do have walls around them. Canada and Mexico won’t want them in our countries. We don’t want these diseases back.

    • DocAmazing

      We’ve got nutbars in southern Afghanistan/northern Pakistan refusing vaccinations (in fairness, partly because the operation targeting Osama bin Laden used a hepatitis B immunization program as a cover) with a resultant polio outbreak. As if those kids didn’t have enough problems…

      • bs

        Using a vaccination program as a cover for an intelligence (sic) operation is a moral abomination. That vax program was possibly the only benefit the Afghans got from the US occupation, and it turned out their distrust was vindicated. No wonder we had to declare victory & GTFO (despite not achieving the strategic goals [OK, after the first few failures, they just changed the mission to regime change, because the US knows how to install puppet governments]).

        • Warren Terra

          A lot of what you say is absolutely right, but you do realize Pakistan isn’t Afghanistan, right?

    • efgoldman

      I was in fifth or sixth grade when the Salk polio vaccine went public. We were all given shots in school, and Salk was justifiably one of the great heroes of the time (mid 1950s).
      Then when the Sabin (oral) vaccine came out. we all got it again.
      And iron lungs are now antique curiosities, which is as it should be.
      The antis are criminals.

      • ExpatJK

        Some years back, there was a TV panel discussion about anti-vaccine attitudes in Australia. One of the panellists was originally from Brazil and basically said, “Back in the day my family either couldn’t afford the vaccines or we just didn’t have them, so I had all of those diseases. Why would anyone choose not to vaccinate?”

        The great strength of vaccination, which is also its weakness, is that many people have now forgotten those diseases and are more amenable to anti-vax bs.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Kennedy’s brother Chris is going to run next year for governor of Illinois, against Bruce Rauner, the worst governor in the state’s history. And that includes the ones who have gone to federal prison. I hope Robert Jr.’s nuttiness doesn’t somehow contaminate Chris.

    • royko

      I’ll take anyone over Rauner, but wasn’t Chris Kennedy involved in the Salaita affair at U of I?

      • Bitter Scribe

        So he was. But personally, while I’m mostly on Salaita’s side, I think his tweets were outrageous enough that having kept him off the U of I faculty isn’t a dealbreaker, at least under the circumstances. Rauner has to go, and if Kennedy is the only alternative, then so be it.

        • Cheap Wino

          “Rauner has to go, and if Kennedy is the only alternative, then so be it.”

          Hell to the freaking yes. I’m so tired of hearing people how Madigan and the lege are the problem. As problematic as Madigan is, he’s doing the exact right thing stonewalling Rauner’s ‘roided up austerity program and not backing down in the face of the lies that he won’t negotiate.

    • Halloween Jack

      First thing I thought of when I saw this. The ability of the Illinois Democratic Party to pull defeat from the jaws of victory shouldn’t be underestimated–it still bugs me that Mark Kirk had even one term as senator, and Rauner had plenty of liabilities in the gubernatorial race, but the Illinois GOP has done plenty of counterpunching at Michael Madigan during the budget fight–but Chris Kennedy has no particular drawbacks as a candidate that I know of, and Rauner has long since outed himself as a rich man who doesn’t give a shit how much regular people suffer because of his stubbornness.

  • vic rattlehead

    Why isn’t being publicly anti-vax grounds for yanking a medical license? Or is it?

  • Schadenboner

    No known communicable disease with a vaccine is sufficiently painful for what anti-vaxers deserve.

    I’m goddamn serious, given the choice I’d wipe these motherfuckers out before even the Trumpites.

  • CrunchyFrog

    The sad thing is that there probably is some corruption at the FDA in terms of being overly responsive to the industry – it would be a shock if there weren’t – but this bullshit undermines the credibility of anyone addressing that issue.

    Similar to how there are real problems with GMOs but the exaggerated claims undercut anyone who is raising valid concerns.

    • Warren Terra

      Eh. Essentially all of the GMO complaints I see are ludicrously misinformed health concerns. The ecological concerns are worthwhile, as are some of the intellectual property concerns, but all I ever see are people worried they’re going to eat GM vegetables and then explode.

  • Rob in CT

    1. Damn these people.

    2. But, but, but… leave Jill Stein alooooooone! [surprised nobody bothered this time]

  • witlesschum

    Of course Putin’s Pumpkin is a fully-paid up member of the amoral and impervious to facts shitgroup that is antivaxers. Research shows that the biggest correlation with being a an antivaxxer is believing other conspiracy theories, so he’s exactly who’s part of it. And, remember when this Kennedy was running around assuring everyone that the 2004 election was stolen in Ohio based unverifiable claims of hacked voting machines? (The Ohio state government did all it could to rig the election through the for the moment legal means of voter ID and related frauds.)

    People have this image of conspiracy theorists and harmless weirdos who want to mutter darkly about bullet trajectories and Jack Ruby, but give them a tiny bit of power and they’re giving children preventable diseases. I don’t believe Trump is a particularly unrepresentative member of the group and putting a different paranoid, reality-averse conspiracy theorist in the Oval Office wouldn’t get you tremendously different results.

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