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Just great:

President-elect Donald Trump on Saturday accused Rep. John Lewis of not doing enough for his district after the Georgia lawmaker and civil rights icon said he doesn’t see the “president-elect as a legitimate president.”

“Congressman John Lewis should spend more time on fixing and helping his district, which is in horrible shape and falling apart (not to……mention crime infested) rather than falsely complaining about the election results. All talk, talk, talk – no action or results. Sad!” Trump wrote in a series of two tweets.

Trump’s comments came after Lewis questioned Trump’s victory in the presidential race. Lewis also testified against Trump’s pick for attorney general, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.). Lewis has said he won’t attend Trump’s inauguration.

Personal to Jim Comey and Dean Baquet: Heckuva job, really.

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  • Slothrop2

    Donald Trump should be more magnanimous and thank Barack Obama and especially Hillary Clinton for installing neofascists at the very highest level of government.

    • YRUasking

      I just want it noted for future reference, for the next time someone complains about hippie punching. You guys are the ones who keep starting it.

      • kped

        Is slothrop a hippie though? I think he’s just a douche trying to start internet fights.

        • Thirtyish

          Yeah. In my experiences, people I would consider actual hippies don’t habitually try to bait people with pointless arguments and then go off in high dudgeon when confronted. Unless it’s one of those things where a term–“hippie”–has come to represent something way broader than originally intended. But in my world, words have more precise meanings.

          • humanoid.panda

            For my money, Slothrop could actually be the same person as the Nazi trolls.

        • Call it “troll punching” in slothrop’s case.

      • Nick never Nick

        If you’re referring to Slothrop2 as a hippie puncher, his comment is mostly incoherent, and I object to being lumped with him as ‘you guys’.

        Or, if the point is that Slothrop2 is an actual hippie and being punched, I object even more — I’ve known hippies, my parents were hippies, and let me assure you, Slothrop2 is no hippie.

        Edit: thinking further, I don’t even care — American politics are about to move far beyond simple fears of hippies and hippie punching.

      • Rusty SpikeFist

        John Lewis’s slimy insinuations against Sanders’s civil rights record were one of the scummiest moments of a very scummy primary campaign by HRC. They were no better than PEOTUS’s inaccurate description of Lewis’s district. And they had a significant effect in undermining Sander’s candidacy.

        John Lewis bears as much responsibility as anybody else for where we are today.

        He did good things decades ago.

        But if a couple of dumb tweets from Donald Trump are the worst he suffers as a result of the disaster he contributed to creating, he’ll be far better off than the rest of us.

        My sympathy is very limited.

        • Oh go fuck yourself

          • Rusty SpikeFist

            right back atcha pal

        • Abbey Bartlet

          John Lewis bears as much responsibility as anybody else for where we are today.

          Do you hear yourself right now?

          • Rusty SpikeFist

            Let me be more precise. Not as much responsibility than Trump and the Republicans, obviously. That wasn’t what I meant.

            But IMO he bears as much responsibility as anybody else in the Democratic party with the exception of the Clintons themselves.

            The DNC emails made it clear how crucial HRC considered Lewis’s influence in the primary.

            And certainly as much as anybody else in the category of people who should have known better.

            • Abbey Bartlet

              Attacking a genuine American hero because he didn’t support your preferred candidate is truly beyond the pale.

              • Scott Lemieux

                As someone tweeted today, assholes who think Bernie is a greater civil rights hero than John Lewis presumably also prefer Pat Boone’s “Tutti Frutti.”

                • Rusty SpikeFist

                  this is a stupid strawman, even for somebody as fond of bad-faith argument as you.

                  John Lewis wasn’t running for president. Sanders was.

                  If Lewis had actually had arguments on the merits to make for HRC over Sanders, he could have made them. Instead he decided to insinuate, irrelevantly and completely falsely, that Sanders had lied about participating in the civil rights movement in the 60s.

                  If he had to lie like that in order to support Clinton, maybe he should have asked himself whether it was a good idea to support her in the first place.

                • Breadbaker

                  I’m sure that would have swung all Hillary voters over to Sanders immediately. And if only the otherwise totally ineffective and irrelevant Debbie Wasserman Schultz hadn’t said all those mean things (or her even less effective and relevant minions). Would have changed everything. Because they are all sheep just waiting to be led by the orders of John Lewis and Debbie Wasserman Schultz and only Sanders supporters have either agency or brains in their heads.

                  TL/DR go fuck yourself some more.

                • ColBatGuano

                  I bet that poster of Bernie in your bedroom is getting pretty stained by now.

            • Oh, Spikyfist, do explain how John Lewis saying he didn’t meet Bernie Sanders during the civil rights movement was a “lie” that destroyed Bernie’s candidacy.

              • Hogan

                Or rather, don’t. Just sod off.

              • Rusty SpikeFist

                I’ve no idea whether Lewis personally met Sanders or not during that time. But

                (1) The clear and widely-understood implication was that Sanders hadn’t been there at all or had at most been a marginally participating dilettante, which was certainly not true.

                (2) But far more damningly, during the same speech, Lewis claimed the Clintons were significant participants in the CRM during the 60’s and that he met them personally in that context. This appears to have been a flat out lie, made up out of whole cloth:

                http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/12/1483921/-DID-JOHN-LEWIS-JUST-LIE-ABOUT-MEETING-THE-CLINTONS-DURING-THE-CIVIL-RIGHTS-ERA

                • Soon afterwards, Lewis publicly corrected the impression he made by his comments:

                  “I said that when I was leading and was at the center of pivotal actions within the Civil Rights Movement, I did not meet Sen. Bernie Sanders at any time. The fact that I did not meet him in the movement does not mean I doubted that Sen. Sanders participated in the Civil Rights Movement, neither was I attempting to disparage his activism. Thousands sacrificed in the 1960s whose names we will never know, and I have always given honor to their contribution.”

                  […]

                  I did not say that I met Hillary and Bill Clinton when I was chairman of SNCC in the 1960s. My point was that when I was doing the work of civil rights, led the Voter Education Project and organized voter registration in the South in the 1970s, I did cross paths with Hillary and Bill Clinton in the field. They were working in politics, and Bill Clinton became attorney general of Arkansas in the 1970s as well. That began a relationship with them that has lasted until today,” Lewis said in the statement.

                  Now,if you’re going to claim that Sanders’ campaign was derailed by the momentary impression made by a hastily corrected statement, but also claim that Clinton lost only because ‘she sucks’ and it had nothing with say, CIA Director Comey’s statements, then you truly are fishing for reasons to troll, are you not?

                  You are simply settling scores, and are not taking the actual issues of the day at all seriously – when you are willing to say, out of spite, that Trump’s racist attacks are no big deal to you because you have a grudge against Lewis. Don’t you see how petty that is?

        • Christ, this asshole. Did someone leave the cat door unlatched?

        • YRUasking

          It’s fine you feel that way, I’m just saying, this was a post attacking Republicans and it wasn’t Scott or Erik who decided to derail it to relitigate the primary… again. So I just want it marked down for the next time Scott makes a post about Jill Stein and all the leftier-than-thou guys start complaining about “How dare you attack to your left? You need us!” One side is starting this shit way more than the other, and it ain’t Clinton apologists, even in this bastion of neoliberal Clintonism.

        • Well, when it comes to the Trump propaganda machine’s attacks on civil rights leaders in order to facilitate its agenda of reasserting white supremacy, it’s good to know whose side you’re on. It ain’t mine, and it ain’t the side of anyone who cares about racial justice in this country – and hence, you are not even on Bernie’s side. You are on your own, an embittered troll, lashing out at those against whom you bear grudges. Get out of the way if you can’t lend your hand.

        • Hogan

          Maybe you can show us what happened to Sanders’s poll numbers after Lewis said what he said. Or is actual evidence just a bourgeois trap to keep us from talking about the class struggle?

        • JR in WV

          I’m a hippy, retired after a long career working hard.

          I’m willing to punch you at any time and place convenient to you for spreading your Bernista bullshit onto John Lewis and Hillary Clinton, two people who have done more for the people of America than you could if you lived a thousand years.

          We’ll never know which tiny thing that went wrong for the Clinton campaign may have tipped her electoral college votes below the needed 50% + 1 – but Sanders primary campaign was one of those tiny things.

          Spreading lies about her ethics, continuing to slur her after he no longer had any mathematical chance to win the nomination, losing the nomination by millions of votes nationwide and still claiming he should have been the nominee… all total BS. And no doubt part of why we now look forward to the installation of Donald Trump as “president” of the US.

          Thanks Bernie, for everything!

          His committee meetings should be held in a janitorial closet in the basement of the Senate Office building. Oh wait, they aren’t his committee meetings, we don’t have a majority.

          Thanks Bernie, again!

  • Hercules Mulligan

    Don’t worry, I’m sure this abhorrent incident will be reported accurately with full context by our diligent news media.

    For starters, there’s the Associated Press, with “Trump lashes out against Georgia Congressman.”

    • In between opinion pieces about how Martin Luther King Jr (teddy bear edition). would not have questioned Trump’s legitimacy.

      • In fact MLK would have voted for him.

        Go all in.

        • Davis X. Machina

          Their shared opposition to foreign intervention, surely, would be enough.

        • tsam

          Did you know George Wallace was a Democrat? True story.

          • (((Malaclypse)))

            Needs moar Robert Byrd.

            • Lord Jesus Perm

              And DW-Nominate scores.

          • David Allan Poe

            I bet you were not aware that Lincoln, who freed the slaves, was a Republican.

        • ZakMcKrackenAndTheAlienMindbenders

          Did you know MLK actually preferred Nixon to JFK? It’s a widely believed fact.

  • tsam

    More to help his district? Like calling you out on the election you and your minions stole? K.

    • Nobdy

      Lewis’ district is, I understand, relatively prosperous and doing fine. Trump is, as usual, just lashing out with no connection between his words and reality. Not that it would matter if Lewis represented a truly impoverished district (it’s not like a congressperson has a lot of direct control over the prosperity of their district) but this is part of his constant assault on truth and decency.

      • rm

        It’s just another “black = crime” racist mega-steam-whistle, made 10x more repugnant by the fact that he’s targeting a Civil Rights hero. It’s like he’s saying “I can erase all the progress you fought for.”

        • rea

          Well, yeah. Trump’s reasoning is, Lewis’ district elected a black to Congress, therefore it must be impoverished and disfunctional.

      • He represents most of Atlanta and some of Atlanta’s suburbs. Atlanta got hit hard by the Great Recession but it’s doing better now, and it’s generally been on an upward trend both in terms of economics and safety for the last few decades. It’s below Indianapolis and Milwaukee on the FBI’s ranking of most violent cities — why hasn’t Trump similarly upbraided his buddies Pence and Walker?

        • Abbey Bartlet

          Melanin.

    • ASV

      It’s not only awesome racism; it’s also another point of evidence that Trump doesn’t know how government works. Throughout the campaign he attacked Clinton for not having fixed this or that while she was “in Washington for 30 years” (which is a nonsense number, but whatevs). When she replied in one of the debates that individual minority senators don’t get to rule by fiat, he didn’t seem to understand how that was relevant to his charge.

      • Breadbaker

        Trump obviously has now promised to help pass any legislation John Lewis proposes that will create jobs, increase federal support for police and infrastructure and provide health care in his district.

  • Slothrop2

    “James Comey,” “The media.” These are tiresome canards. HRC lost because she is a sucky neoliberal moderate Republican.

    I sometimes wonder whether she would prefer Trump over Sanders.

    • angrifon

      Jesus you Hillary haters are tiresome. It’s fairly obvious that you’re wrong to anyone who can read a chart. Whether or not Hillary was a bad candidate (and she wasn’t), Comey’s actions had a demonstrable measurable effect on the election.

      • ProgressiveLiberal

        Theyre wrong, but she was a sucky candidate. Too much baggage and no plan to overcome.

        • Nobdy

          no plan to overcome.

          Right. That’s why it was a blowout election for the Republicans in the popular vote, and she definitely didn’t lose by a few hundred thousand votes in specific swing states.

          No plan.

          • ProgressiveLiberal

            Oh you won the election in the country with the pure democracy? How did you do in the one with the electoral college?

            Anyone else find it ironic that the 2008 hillary camp whined things would be different if votes were counted differently (florida etc) than how everyone understood them to, and the same shit happened in 2016? Its like theyre always winning the election we arent having, but instead the one they want to have.

            • Oh, shut up.

              The fact that Clinton lost the electoral college does not prove that she “had no plan” to overcome her baggage.

          • ProgressiveLiberal

            Oh and PS. Although its clear that comey tipped the balance, my beef is the fact that it was so fucking close that something like that could even happen. Ie, she was a shitty candidate cause this wasnt a 95/5 race, it was a 70/30.

            • Little Chak

              Without Comey tipping the balance, it was a 95/5 race. Especially if you include the July bullshit.

            • Nick never Nick

              You know, you can have two beefs at the same time. The time for the ‘sucky candidate’ beef is the primary; the time for the ‘stolen election’ beef is when the election is stolen.

              • efgoldman

                You know, you can have two beefs at the same time. The time for the ‘sucky candidate’ beef is the primary

                Not if you’re a lefty purity pony, wandering around with your unicorn and green lantern, seeking that perfect candidate that you just know is out there.

                • N__B

                  Then you have two beeves: one a pony, one a unicorn. Mmmm, good eating.

            • p.s. Continuing to re-litigate the primary ad nauseum in tones of tremendous bitterness and spite, is not, in my humble opinion, going to be the least bit helpful in mobilizing resistance to Trump.

              You can sit there in your corner foaming at the mouth with hatred of HRC and all those who voted for her in the primary, but it will do nothing to mitigate the damage now descending upon us.

              In fact, to the extent that your Hillary hatred leads you to parrot the propaganda points of the Trump regime, you are aiding and betting the Trump regime instead of helping to resist it.

              • Hogan

                p.s. Continuing to re-litigate the primary ad nauseum in tones of tremendous bitterness and spite, is, not, in my humble opinion, going to be the least bit helpful in mobilizing resistance to Trump.

                Of course not. That’s not the point.

                • Nick never Nick

                  I dunno — with trolls like this, the question is whether their purpose is ideological (i.e. they actually have a coherent plan and are executing it) or emotional (they need to be both correct and disliked). ProgressiveLiberal’s need to insist on one single point where he thinks he’s right seems more emotional than strategic.

              • ProgressiveLiberal

                Youre full of shit. We can resist trump while also preventing fools from making the same mistake in 2020. And doing one doesnt prevent the other.

                • Nick never Nick

                  So your strategy for resisting Trump is to call people who voted for Clinton fools?

                  I certainly see why you’ve risen to the rank of anonymous blog troll! Your breadth of knowledge, powers of persuasion, and command of human psychology, are impressive.

                • I repeat,

                  In fact, to the extent that your Hillary hatred leads you to parrot the propaganda points of the Trump regime, you are aiding and betting the Trump regime instead of helping to resist it.

          • Abbey Bartlet

            More like 77,000 votes.

          • Rusty SpikeFist

            Maybe it would have been a good idea for the Clinton campaign to start by looking up the election laws and check whether our system had the President elected by an overall majority of votes in the country as a whole, or whether we lived in an electoral college with electors apportioned by state.

            Because then they could have formed their electoral strategy on whichever one it was, instead of just guessing, and getting it wrong, which it kind of looks like they did.

            Actually from their constant harping on nationwide vote totals since Novermber 9, it really seems like they STILL haven’t bothered to do their homework on that.

            • I hope you choke on your smarm. Why don’t you and Slothrop and Ghostship and the rest of you go find some other blog to jerk each other off and leave the rest of us in peace?

              • jim, some guy in iowa

                I doubt those guys could make collective action work even on that level

            • Scott Lemieux

              Maybe it would have been a good idea for the Clinton campaign to start by looking up the election laws and check whether our system had the President elected by an overall majority of votes in the country as a whole, or whether we lived in an electoral college with electors apportioned by state.

              Yes, clearly 94 percent of campaign visits and money went to just 12 states because Hillary Clinton didn’t know that the Electoral College determined the winner of the presidency. Please tell us more, o great sage of campaign analysis.

            • Speaking of red herrings, has anyone here gone fishing lately?

              Unfortunately, wherever I go fishing there appears to be garbage and sewage floating to the surface. Most obnoxious.

              Legend has it that this is caused by trolls lurking under bridges, fouling the waters and tossing garbage in deliberately out of spite, but others say that is just an urban legend. I wonder what other people here think.

    • (((Malaclypse)))

      These are tiresome canards. HRC lost because she is a sucky neoliberal moderate Republican.

      Now this is how you sodomize irony’s rotting corpse. Well done.

    • howard

      I’m fascinated that you take such pride in being a complete asshole: no wonder you are objectively pro-trump.

      • Slothrop2

        However, our music tastes are impeccable.Don’t forget that.

        • Jordan

          What do you mean “our”, asshole?

        • rea

          Tchaikovsky
          Glinka
          Borodin
          Mussorgsky
          Rimsky-Korsakoff
          Khachaturian
          Shoshtakovich
          Prokofiev

          Yeah, the music, at least isn’t bad.

    • Both these things can be true you know. One happens to be downright unfortunate, the other involves the corrosion of long held and essential democratic norms. Guess which one is more important now going into this bleak future but which we actually have a shot at fixing.

      *correction. HRC may have been many things but Republican? That part isn’t true in the least. You’ve really come undone man.

      • (((Malaclypse)))

        Both these things can be true you know.

        While both could be true, the idea that Clinton was a moderate Republican isn’t true.

        EDIT: I wrote this before your edit.

        • It’s such transparent nonsense I didn’t even register it the first time I read his comment.

          • (((Malaclypse)))

            Not reading it all is just a good use of time. No blame there.

        • Slothrop2

          Look, it’s tiresomely necessary to relitigate the election. No more third way, neoliberal sellout.

          It’s just pathetic to drone on about Russian hacking (the US has been doing this for many years all over the world – big deal) and the conduct of the MSM. Scott Lemieux sounds like a leftish version of Bernard Goldberg.

          Comey is entirely Obama’s gift to himself.

          • Nick never Nick

            I’m curious — why should we relitigate the election when doing so is meaningless? Each of us can take the lessons that we learned from it and apply them in 2018 and 2020, when there are actual elections.

            Discussing Russian hacking,the MSM, and Comey are not re-litigating the election — they are part of delegitimizing Trump’s presidency, and hopefully getting him booted from office; these are necessary.

            I understand that as a troll you see these discussions as mostly a matter of scoring points — Russians interfered in our election; we interfered in Chile’s election; Obama appointed Comey! It’s all a wash! — but to most of the people here this isn’t a game. The commenters, and blog posters, would like to see a better world, and they believe that information and discussion are necessary for that. They’re not comparing every situation to every other situation, they’re discussing specific things that they want to oppose, or that disgust them.

            • Slothrop2

              Clinton primary voters need to “sincerely” flagellate themselves for being such dummbasses. That would be a good start.

              • Nick never Nick

                The reason they aren’t is because historical counterfactuals are a waste of time — Clinton voters are mobilizing to stop Trump. Or didn’t you notice that the conclusion of The Man In The High Castle leaves the characters in their alternative timeline wondering what happened?

              • Abbey Bartlet

                Clinton primary voters need to “sincerely” flagellate themselves for being such dummbasses. That would be a good start.

                Alternatively, people who were shit talking her after the primary need to be taken out and shot.

                • ProgressiveLiberal

                  Lol.

                  Clinton cant fail, she can only be failed.

                  We tried to warn you. You just wont listen.

                • You got your POTUS Trump, why are you still so angry?

                • Abbey Bartlet

                  She can fail. But she didn’t.

                  If you don’t think the rhetoric from the so-called leftists was enough to swing 77k votes, you’re delusional.

                • Little Chak

                  We tried to warn you.

                  …that you would be actively fighting to get Donald Trump elected if we didn’t vote for the candidate you wanted in the primary, instead of uniting behind the Democratic nominee, as I would have done if Sanders had been the nominee?

                  Fuck me if you don’t sound like Trump. “Well, if you didn’t want me to do this horrible thing, you should have done what I wanted you to do.”

              • efgoldman

                Clinton primary voters need to “sincerely” flagellate themselves for being such dummbasses.

                You need to “sincerely” go fuck yourself.
                At no point, at least on this blog, have you said or done anything the least but helpful.

              • pillsy

                Clinton primary voters need to “sincerely” flagellate themselves for being such dummbasses. That would be a good start.

                I’m glad that you’ve finally admitted that this is what really matters to you, and everything else is only important because it’s a means to punishing the hated Clinton primary voters.

                • Darkrose

                  Who just happen to include a lot of black voters, the same ones Bernie wrote off as part of “the Confederacy” after he got trounced in the South on Super Tuesday.

                  But I appreciate that the bros are showing their true colors by attacking people of color for not being smart enough to see the light and vote for Bernie.

              • ColBatGuano

                Clinton primary voters need to “sincerely” flagellate themselves for being such dummbasses.

                Please get cancer.

          • Hogan

            What a revelation. Tell us more about how to suck eggs, grandson.

    • You’re one to talk of “tiresome cards”. What are you even doing here, troll, if not to start fights and tie people up in endless conflict over things that have already been debated ad nauseum, wasting energy that could be spent opposing Trump and parroting his minions’ very talking points?

      To say that I doubt your sincerity would be something of an understatement.

      • jim, some guy in iowa

        I think he’s sincere. As I understand his situation he’ll be one of the first people taking the hit when Trump starts signing the Ryan/McConnell agenda into law. It makes sense that he’s angry. I don’t think he’s ever going to become an effective advocate for anything though

        • Slothrop2

          Milquetoast Clinton primary voter.

          • Who are you referring to, Slothrop2?

            I know nothing of his personal situation, but if he is sincere he should probably consider that he is regurgitating and reinforcing the other side’s propaganda points intended to legitimize the Trump regime (i.e. “nothing to see here, Hillary was evil and couldn’t run a campaign to save her life, therefore the election was totally legit, they just can’t deal with the fact they lost”, etc.)

            • jim, some guy in iowa

              he doesn’t care, he’s going full nihilist now, or will be soon. Otherwise he wouldn’t be working overtime to prove my point

          • Hogan

            I think I speak for nearly all of the Sanders primary voters here when I tell you to go take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut.

      • Slothrop2

        Christ! I just repeat what they say – “I’m basically a moderate Republican” says Obama.

        Spin it how do you like. The dude was terrible when it comes to any sort of lasting, positive effect for his party. What a disaster.

        • Here’s the context and the actual quote for those who’d prefer not to click:

          Obama pushed back against the accusation made in some corners of south Florida’s Cuban-American and Venezuelan communities that he wants to instill a socialist economic system in the U.S. The president said he believes few actually believe that.

          “I don’t know that there are a lot of Cubans or Venezuelans, Americans who believe that,” Obama said. “The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican.”

          • Furthermore, we have to make allowances for political rhetoric here. I mean, what were moderate Republicans in the 1980’s? Certainly Obama’s policies would have been nowhere near the mainstream of the party.

            • EliHawk

              In other news, the fact that Ronald Reagan repeatedly recounted his history as an FDR Democrat meant that the Reagan Administration was a total liberal sell out from the ostensible “Conservative” leader.

          • efgoldman

            Here’s the context

            No, sorry.
            Context is not allowed in troll arguments.

    • guthrie

      From the point of view of this British leftist, Clinton certainly was/ is something of a neoliberal moderate older style republican, but that’s no excuse not to vote for her, given the other options. Not to mention that voting her in would cement the Obama gains, not destroy them.

      Moreover, I am sure that many voters don’t actually know what they want. Thanks to decades of propaganda, they would reject most actual left wing positions unless very carefully presented, because they’ve been trained to associate them with bad things. But I don’t think they know what the bad things are, it’s just a visceral reflex. In reality they are in desperate need of some left wing policies, but the American system makes it very hard for them to get a foothold in people’s minds.

      • Hogan

        One of those old-time “raise the minimum wage by more than half/make college free/repeal the Hyde Amendment” Republicans? Yeah, I miss those guys.

        • Breadbaker

          And those Obamacare repeal votes taking place right now in Congress, she’d certainly be getting ready to sign them, just like Trump will, right?

        • guthrie

          Yes okay raising minimum wage isn’t republican, excuse my not being in touch with every bit of her policies, but I got the impression something like the ACA was acceptable to republicans a decade or two ago before they invited the lunatics in.

          • ColBatGuano

            No, it really wasn’t.

          • Tehanu

            Something “like” the ACA was acceptable to Republicans? The ACA was originated by the friggin’** Heritage Foundation back in the 1990s in the Republicans’ continuing attempts to stave off single-payer. It was then actually instituted in Massachusetts as “Romneycare.” Their real objection to the ACA was that President Obama was black and a Democrat — with the “black” far outweighing the “Democrat.”

            ** friggin’ = ultra-rightwing. I’d have used a stronger word but civility….

    • rea

      Unless you can show us some scars acquired on the Edmund Pettus Bridge, you fuck right off with your bullshit about John Lewis. At long last, have you no shame?

      You got your preferred candidate elected, but that doesn’t mean we have to listen to your oral defecations

    • Tristan

      I sometimes wonder whether she would prefer Trump over Sanders.

      “Hmmm, yes, fascinating…” *inhales deeply on unlit pipe as armchair collapses into rotted splinters, freeing thousands of vermin*

    • Snuff curry

      I sometimes wonder whether she would prefer Trump over Sanders.

      Nobody cares to hear about your sad wank verymuchcum “wondering” fantasies. Just grab a sock and move on.

  • Welp.

  • Nobdy

    A lot of people are saying “this time Trump has really done it, this will backfire on him!” But of course not. John Lewis is a national treasure, brave and bold and committed to justice his whole life, but anyone who recognizes that already dislikes Trump. Instead what’s going to happen is that the deplorables will turn on Lewis (who they probably already despise) and he will be harassed and attacked, on Martin Luther King weekend.

    John Lewis being targeted on MLK weekend is yet another almost unthinkable shame we must bear as a nation before this goddamned orange buffoon is even president.

    The deplorables love Vladimir Putin and hate John Lewis, and they represent close to half of us. I think any claim to unique wonderful widely held American values has now been visibly splattered by the Trump express. American exceptionalism was never true, but now it has become laughable.

    • Mike G

      I suspect the overlap between Trump supporters and people who respect John Lewis is rather small.
      I’m just surprised Cantaloupe Caligula didn’t break out his standbys “loser” and “overrated”. Sad!

      • Donalbain

        Convicted Felon Dinesh D’Souza is playing that one. He tweeted that Rosa Parks is an overrated Dem who just sat down on a bus.

    • MAJeff

      What we’ll see is that most Republicans actually despise John Lewis, particularly because of his work within the Civil Rights Movement. He’s always been “uppity.”

    • Lamont Cranston

      Instead what’s going to happen is that the deplorables will turn on Lewis (who they probably already despise)…

      I would bet any amount of money that the median Trump voter is not informed enough to even know who John Lewis is – until now. Now the howler monkeys will go nuts.

      As an aside, I really think everything written about him should include the phrase “American hero John Lewis” at some point.

      • (((Malaclypse)))

        As an aside, I really think everything written about him should include the phrase “American hero John Lewis” at some point.

        Alternatively, “greatest living American John Lewis.”

        • Nick never Nick

          Alternatively, “American Hero John Lewis, the Un-Trump”

    • JohnT

      Well said

    • petesh

      … The deplorables love Vladimir Putin and hate John Lewis, and they represent close to half of us. …

      No. Aside from the fact that HRC used the term to describe a minority of Trump’s support, recent polling shows his approval ratings well underwater, and significantly less than his percentage of the vote.

      I am pointing this out as an optimist: Yes, 27% may be the rock bottom of his voting support, but even that includes a proportion of mindless Republicans who may well be pleasant. The true deplorables are a smaller minority than that, and we can overcome them.

    • efgoldman

      John Lewis is a national treasure, brave and bold and committed to justice his whole life

      Tangerine Torquemada is not fit to wipe John Lewis’s ass. And Sessions makes two.
      Fuck, but those people are vile.

    • Manny Kant

      The self-proclaimed “deplorables” seem to have mostly been paid Russian trolls? Their numbers have wildly thinned since the election.

  • pillsy

    Are you worried that no high-profile wingnuts would be intellectually and morally bankrupt enough to crap on Lewis’ record to defend the honor of Dear Leader?

    Well, worry no more. Convicted felon Dinesh D’Souza has got you covered!

    • MAJeff

      They’d be happy to even in the absence of the fascist Cheez-It.

      • pillsy

        He sure would. He’s now decided to go after Rosa Parks for no reason except that he’s a catastrophic failure of a human being.

        • I remain curious why D’Souza thinks that the return of Jim Crow would exempt him.

          • Clayton Bigsby Syndrome

          • Darkrose

            Every time D’Souza opens his mouth I think about the guy at my grade school who insisted that he was genetically close to being white, despite being darker-skinned than I am.

          • Snuff curry

            According to LGM twitter re-tweets from one of his terrible books, he’d prefer slavery, although he apparently believes it softened up the blahs too much and destined their progeny to a life of cadillacs ‘n’ welfare for which we fine upstanding folk are footing the bill, &c. Give him enough time, and he’ll be explaining why unadulterated genocide minus the thin glint of paternalism is what they really need.

    • Little Chak

      So does Michael Tracey. Barf.

      Remember back when calling an election “rigged” was the most shocking affront to democracy imaginable, according to liberal pundits?

      Wowsers. They sure do have their priorities straight.

      Oh, look — frogs. Frogs everywhere. How ever did my mentions become full of frogs?

      • Hogan

        Remember back when calling an election “rigged” was the most shocking affront to democracy imaginable, according to liberal pundits?

        You mean back before the election was actually rigged and held?

        • Little Chak

          You mean there is a difference between trying to delegitimize the results of an election in advance on the grounds that minorities cheat and vote multiple times, or vote despite not being citizens, in order to stoke the anger of your white nationalist base, and saying that Trump is illegitimate because he sought the help of a foreign power, and encouraged the release of hacked material from his political adversaries?

  • Harry Hardrada

    Per the Census website, John Lewis’s district (which is majority-black) had a higher median household income and a higher HS graduation rate than the state of Georgia as a whole. So I’d say his district is doing pretty well.

    (I can’t find anything for crime rate, but the difference between “total population” and “civilian noninstitutionalized population” is about 10,000, which doesn’t seem to be out of the ordinary compared to other GA congressional districts.)

    • EliHawk

      I lived in his district for 24 years. The one encounter with crime we had was when some teenager stole my dad’s gas company credit cards (remember those?) after he didn’t bother to lock the car.

      • Nick never Nick

        And I bet John Lewis didn’t even fix it himself! Don’t worry, Trump will be president soon and your life of horror will start to improve.

    • SatanicPanic

      Trump is relying on his turd followers to fill in the blanks – Rep Lewis is black, therefore he lives in a slum.

      • ProgressiveLiberal

        Bingo.

      • Breadbaker

        Trump saw Fort Apache the Bronx and assumes all inner cities look like that. He has no other point of reference.

      • ZakMcKrackenAndTheAlienMindbenders

        Also his awkward-even-by-Trumpian-standards decision to shoehorn in “CRIME.”

    • Hogan
    • Manny Kant

      My understanding is that it’s a district with both wealthy and poor areas within it (like many urban districts). I live in PA-02, for instance, and we’ve got Rittenhouse Square and Chestnut Hill, which are very well off, and also very poor parts of North and West Philadelphia.

  • EliHawk

    The real message here is just how horribly fucking racist Trump is. John Lewis represents some of the nicest parts of Atlanta, including the corporate HQs of Coca Cola and Georgia Pacific (aka the Kochs’ paper company). For 24 years until they gerrymandered it away from him, he represented Buckhead, which is the richest, nicest, old moneyist part of Atlanta, and the entire state, just full of ginormous mansions (including the Governor’s). Black district does not equal slumlords. You know, like Trump was.

    • Isn’t Koch Brothers HQ right across the street from GP?

      • EliHawk

        Nah, it’s out in Wichita. But funnily enough, unless it’s moved in the last 8 yrs, John Lewis’ district office is.

        For 10 years or so, his District Office was across the hall from my late dad’s small law office (he teamed up with two other small firms for the office space) so his most frequent encounters with the Congressman were in the Men’s room. Sadly, I never encountered him (though I met Andy Young once.)

    • Sly

      The 5th District also includes Emory, Morehouse, Clark Atlanta University, Georgia Tech, and Georgia State.

    • ATLinChina

      I live in the heart of the 5th district, down the street from Turner Field, graduated from Georgia State. It’s a great place to live.

      However, this attitude is exactly what the Trumpers in the ex-urbs think about Atlanta.

      Fuck Trump. Go Falcons.

  • SatanicPanic

    It’s a good sign that Democrats are defending him, rather than running away from controversy.

    • JohnT

      I think the position that ‘neofascist stooge Donald Trump should watch his goddamned mouth when speaking to John Lewis on MLK weekend ‘ is not one that a Democrat should find very controversial

      • Nick never Nick

        and yet you will often be disappointed if you simply assume that a Democrat should not find something self-evident controversial

    • Redwood Rhiadra

      Except, of course, for the Bernie-or-Bust faction of the Democratic Party, which is revealing their true nature.

  • angrifon

    I have an image of a cartoon in my head. Two panels. In one John Lewis being sprayed by water cannons and the racists saying “Let him have it, boys”. In the second, Trump lying in a bed, saying “Let me have it, girls”.

    • That is brilliant, and I really hope someone with mad cartooning skillz can take you up on it!

  • ProgressiveLiberal

    On a side note, when does obama admit that this was his fault, a total unforced error, caused when he rejected liberalism?

    Comey and TPP. That was all him.

    • howard

      Oh for crissake, you and slothrop2, what a pair of jerks.

      • Thirtyish

        Don’t forget urd. It’s the triumvirate of tedium.

        (Although Throttle Jockey probably belongs in there, too. The quadrinity of querulousness?)

        • wjts

          Plus Phil Perspective to produce the Pentamerous Pointlessness Patrol.

          • (((Malaclypse)))

            You forgot GoDerp.

            • wjts

              Ah yes, the Squabbling Sextet of Submediocrity.

              • (((Malaclypse)))

                Well done.

                • N__B

                  Time to break out the ketchup.

                • rea

                  Ketchup is for well done meat, after all.

              • tsam

                There’s another out there somewhere! (DO SEVEN)

                • N__B

                  The Simpering Septet of Seriousityness.

                • wjts

                  Howling Heptad of Horrible Hot-Takes

                • tsam

                  Nicccccce

                • brad

                  NoMoreAltCenter.

                  and ghostship.

                • wjts

                  Obstreperous Octet of Obtuse Opinions.

                • Hogan

                  Noxious Nonet of Nonentity.

                • rea

                  Dubious duodectet of dumbness.

        • Manny Kant

          Isn’t urd just a right winger?

      • ProgressiveLiberal

        Oh please. Im calling no one a republican or neoliberal sellout. Im just pointing out that obamamade somehugemistakes that we are all going to suffer from, yet he is being given a pass.

        True or false: he hired comey, and he pushed that TPP crap and had his SOS give speeches supporting it when 99% of liberals were against it?

        I dont feel like obama should be immune from criticism just because he did a lot of good. And i dont think accurate criticism is the same as ARGLEBARGLE NEOLIBERAL REPUBLICAN SELLOUT.

        • (((Malaclypse)))

          Im calling no one a republican or neoliberal sellout.

          he rejected liberalism

          Do you read what you write?

          • ProgressiveLiberal

            Im two specific instances. Do you know anyone who is 100% liberal all the time? Cause thats my biggest complaint here.

            Hell, lets start with the majority of the democratic party who voted for a less liberal candidate in the primary. Are you saying theyre all neoliberal sellouts?

            • Nick never Nick

              Stop quoting me!

              Don’t confuse specifics with generalities with abstractions with examples!

            • Abbey Bartlet

              Hell, lets start with the majority of the democratic party who voted for a less liberal on the particular issues that matter to me candidate in the primary.

              FTFY.

              • ProgressiveLiberal

                Lol, again.

                It was clear before, and look at the result. You were warned. Now look what you did. Hell, even the clintonistas made a big deal following their agreeing to make our platform more liberal. Anyone come out and say sanders tried to make it less liberal? No?

                Maybe next primary we could vote for the more liberal candidate overall?

                • Abbey Bartlet

                  Nice work in no way refuting my actual point.

                  Maybe next primary we could vote for the more liberal candidate overall?

                  Yes, that is clearly what the people of swing states were crying out for, as evidenced by the slew of liberal Democrats elected at the state level. Russ Feingold losing by more than 76,000 votes than HRC did tells me that a democratic socialist will just clean up in the Rust Belt.

                • Please drown in a vat of pig off-products

                • Hogan
                • ProgressiveLiberal’s glossary:

                  Clintonista- Someone who doesn’t actually hate Clinton’s guts

                  As I recall, people were saying that Sanders was trying to make the platform more “progressive”, not more “liberal”. If you think those terms are simply the same thing, I wonder why you call yourself “ProgressiveLiberal”.

                  Now, Sanders was indeed trying to make the platform more progressive, and the “Clintonistas” agreed to some extent in a bid to bring the party together. It doesn’t follow from this that Sanders would have been a cert to win the election had he won the nomination. I supported Sanders, but if he were so brilliant a campaigner he’d have won the nomination against Clinton, what with all her baggage and other weaknesses, instead of settling for lobbying for changes to the platform after he lost.

            • I’m confused.

              Is your biggest complaint that Nick Never Nick knows no one who’s liberal 100% of the time?

              or is it that

              no one is 100% liberal all the time
              and Obama happens to be
              among the 100% of the population
              that’s not 100% liberal
              100% of the time?

        • Who’s giving Obama a pass? Do you actually read this blog, other than cherry picking things to complain about?

        • Scott Lemieux

          yet he is being given a pass.

          Yes, I have to agree that the zero people who have argued that Obama should get a pass for nominating Comey are wrong.

    • Nobdy

      Tuesday. I have notes from a speech he intends to give on Tuesday. Here they are:

      “It me. I did it. I a neoliberal. Tttrrrummmpppp!”

    • humanoid.panda

      Comey and TPP. That was all him.

      Comey, TPP, and neglect of postal banking. What kind of a neoliberal sellout you have to be to forget that?

      • Chetsky

        Comey, TPP, neglect of postal banking, and a fanatical devotion to Timmy Geithner. Let me come in again ….

        • Breadbaker

          Comey, TPP, neglect of postal banking, a fanatical devotion to Timmy Geitner and Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s cute red uniforms . . .

          • Harry Hardrada

            Also, not giving an interview to Cenk Ugyur about DAPL.

  • howard

    It’s hard to see how trump approval ratings exceed 40 percent, which means at some moment, some GOP electeds start thinking mike pence looks ever better….

    • Denverite

      Problem is that the 35% that approve of Trump constitute like 80% of the Republican base.

      Jesus, we really are in 1933 territory here. A committed, enthusiastic minority has taken over the country and we’re all at their whim. We are well and truly fucked.

      • Jackson87

        There you go again, with your Pollyannish, sunny optimism, trying to cheer us up.

        • Scott Lemieux

          How would you feel if your team had swapped out one of the greatest defensive minds ever with the mastermind behind the defense of the 2016 Miami Dolphins, and you had to consume alcohol in moderation?

          • Denverite

            This, except I have family in town so the liver annihilation is back on for the weekend.

            Good news is 2.5 beers now gets me tipsy. Bad news will be the night sweats on Monday night, but at least I feel like I’m accomplishing something.

          • Denverite

            Also, can I get some well-deserved credit for predicting Joseph plus Phillips out the door even before Kubiak was officially gone?

            • Scott Lemieux

              Sure. Congratulations!

      • Nick never Nick

        I don’t understand the ‘1933’ reference — didn’t Roosevelt have a majority?

        Edit: never mind, ‘committed, enthusiastic’ threw me off, those aren’t adjectives normally applied to National Socialists.

      • petesh

        Well, I was optimistic above but to counterbalance that: If the Republicans reject kleptocracy, why, they have theocracy to fall back upon.

        • Nick never Nick

          those two are not, unfortunately, exclusive

          I suspect many unpleasant theories of government are going to be melded into one

          • petesh

            Sadly, you may be right. Them contradictions are sure getting some heightening, aint they?

            • Nick never Nick

              Well, they would have been heightened, except OBAMA APPOINTED COMEY so really there’s no way to tell what’s going on or who’s fault it is. Tragic, truly tragic, we came so close.

  • dogboy

    GA 05 is in horrible shape and falling apart? Is there something about the district that makes him think that?

    5th Congressional District is 5th out of 436 other congressional districts in Race – Black or African American

    Nevermind.

  • N__B

    DJT logic: I was elected god-emperor, with absolute power over my turtle pond realm; therefore each congressman is a roman governor, with only a slightly lower degree of power over their realms.

    Also, Lewis is one of those extraordinarily rare public figures about whom there are only good things to say.

  • tsam

    Oh great. The Kool Kidz show up and shit all over a thread about John Lewis.

    • Thirtyish

      You know, I was once naive enough to think that this shit might actually abate *after* the election. God, what a sweet kid I was.

      • tsam

        No–there’s little chance that these kind of people will ever understand human nature or US politics–at least as long as they keep thinking they’re the smartest guy in all the rooms and inherently right about everything.

        • N__B

          They’re not the smartest guys in the room when they’re alone.

          • tsam

            Haha! Well, me either.

      • ProgressiveLiberal

        Sorry, cant let you forget, gotta prevent you from making the same mistake next time. Prepare for 4 years of it. Dont say we didnt warn you and got shit on for doing so…

        • brad

          You’ve already done more than enough to marginalize yourself and make sure no one here takes you seriously. Your work is done.

        • (((Malaclypse)))

          Prepare for 4 years of it.

          If someone comes out and says, explicitly, he’s gonna troll for the next four years, is that banable?

          • ProgressiveLiberal

            Im not going to troll anyone. Im going to correct a certain mistake until we all agree to stop making it.

            What is even controversial? We are fucking liberals. We are supposed to support liberals and liberal policies. Then we have a president who abandons it in two specific circumstances, and combined with the less liberal candidate our paty picked – you know, the party we are always supposed to be pushing left by voting fir the more liberal candidate but not this time cause reasons – and the shitty electoral system, we end up with the worst possible outcome. So yeah, trump gets blamed first for being a horrible fucking person, but there is plenty of fucking blame to go around on our side.

            Comey didnt just show up to work one day. Who hired him?

            The TPP didnt push itself. Who pushed it?

            The less liberal candidate didnt elect herself. Who elected her?

            What the fuck am i even saying thats remotely controversial?

            • brad

              Self righteous preening is not, in fact, a liberal value. Sorry.

            • Nick never Nick

              Here’s why you’re a jerk — because you’ve identified a small number of things that you don’t like about Obama, or Clinton, or Democrats, and decided that they were the critical factors in the election. This is silly on the face of it, and it’s really annoying when you don’t have enough self-awareness to understand that you’re not stating facts, you’re just shouting the same logical fallacy again and again and again; and it’s even more annoying that you can’t see the tremendous self-regard that this requires. We’re not here to validate your image of yourself.

              I realize that if feels good when you KNOW that you were right and everyone else was wrong and that your opinion could have saved the country — but it’s not true.

              When you get down to it, you are simply stating again and again that things that happened in the past contributed to the present. In broad terms it’s obvious, but when you insist over and over on the same specifics, as if events are linear happenings where if you pull on a single yarn everything changes in clear ways, it’s kind of pathological.

              Since you know that everyone here knows what you think, and you don’t agree, the normal reaction is to either state it in more creative ways, or to shut up.

              • ProgressiveLiberal

                Wait a fucking second.

                The official line of this fucking blog is that comey tipped the election.

                Who hired comey?

                • petesh

                  This is a red-light-district blog? Who knew?

                • Hogan
                • Nick never Nick

                  Well, let me put it this way — here are a few comparisons from history.

                  After the Bolsheviks took over, you could have blamed the Mensheviks for the mistakes that they made — I’m sure there would have been blog posts from the ProgressiveLiberal of the Tomsk Worker’s Union pointing out “Whoa, slow down! We have to relitigate the original split!” And yet we don’t really remember, or care about those twats, we remember the people who actually opposed the Bolsheviks, what they did and what happened to them.

                  Hitler was appointed to power by Hindenburg. Sure, I’m certain that most people would agree with you — “Hey, that was a mistake! Shouldn’t have done that! Let’s go over the errors that led to THAT fuck-up!” And yet, from that point, the people who are remembered, and the people who count, are the ones who resisted Hitler. Scoring points about “THE REAL FUCKING PROBLEM WAS HINDENBURG” would have been real fucking stupid. Those were not the Good Germans or the Bad Germans, but the Dumb Germans, the ProgressiveLiberalGermans.

                  Let’s take it back further — personally, I blame the minister who married Comey’s mother to his father, and gave them social sanction to bang each other. Or, alternatively, I blame the overbearing father of that minister who forced him into divinity school. But the real fault lies with the founder of the vile Protestant sect that ordained that minister.

                  Your problem is that you’ve decided you’re right, and you can’t let it go because you are, and at the same time you can’t understand that it’s possible to be both right and irrelevant.

                • ProgressiveLiberal

                  So why all the frontpagers whining about comey? Bygones amirite?

                  We are going to fuck this up again in 2020 arent we?

                  When is it the right time to talk about guns? Never right after the mass shooting, right? We must wait til everyone forgets. And quit bringing it up, weve heard it already.

                • Nick never Nick has it exactly right. Well done.

                • When did you protest Comey’s appointment? I want to see the receipts.

                • What do you think the chances are that PL has ever done anything useful? 0%?

                • Nick never Nick

                  It’s a good question — is constantly whining that other people aren’t doing THE ONE USEFUL THING useful?

                • JR in WV

                  There’s fucking going on at this blog??? Oh My Gawd!!!

                  And we have an official line? News to me… when did that happen?

                  And where can I get some of that fucking?

                  Dumass.

            • (((Malaclypse)))

              We are fucking liberals.

              I don’t believe you.

              • I’m not a fucking liberal, except that I generally believe in things like freedom of speech, press, freedom of and from religion, and in living and letting live. That kind of thing.

                I opposed TTP ‘cos I’m a fucking socialist, mate. And don’t you forget it!

              • I’m not fucking anyone now, haven’t in a while. Might even settle for a neo con if she was cute enough.

            • We are fucking liberals. We are supposed to support liberals and liberal policies.

              ProgressiveLiberal’s glossary:

              Liberal– Someone who supports each and every policy vetted as “liberal” by ProgressiveLiberal

              But seriously, folks, is ProgressiveLiberal really unaware of the fact that “liberal” is a term that has had many meanings- just historically, or geographically? Perhaps his own nym, which slaps a qualifier on “liberal”, might offer up a clue.

              I opposed TPP, but my opposition to it had absolutely nothing to do over whether corporate free trade is truly a “liberal” policy or not.

              • ProgressiveLiberal

                Got it. So there is no meaning to the word liberal. Maybe clinton was the most liberal or maybe it was sanders or maybe it was rand paul, arguments can be made blah blah blah.

                Gotta love we were all in agreement to what liberal policies were until some peoples preferred candidate didnt align exactly right so now who knows.

                • Who knew that “multiple meanings” meant “no meaning”? I am in awe of ProgressiveLiberal’s mathematical insight.

                • we were all in agreement to what liberal policies were until…

                  Wrong again, unless “we” are using the royal “we”.

                • brad

                  Yeah, I mean, after all, being a liberal can mean being, deep down, a humanist who values human life and wants us all to be afforded equal, abundant rights, opportunities, and basic dignity, or it can mean “HEY LOOK AT ME AND HOW FUCKING AWESOME I LOOK IN THIS SHIRT”.

                • Breadbaker

                  We actually elect Presidents, not policies (as Trump voters are starting to discover). Some of us thought Bernie Sanders would be a shitty person to run the country and Hillary Clinton an excellent one. You were free to disagree, but you have literally no evidence based on his ability to run anything larger than Burlington Fucking Vermont.

                • Manny Kant

                  Well, I’m pretty sure there’s no coherent definition of the word liberal that demands “opposing free trade agreements” to be a litmus test for who is liberal.

            • Im going to correct a certain mistake until we all agree to stop making it.

              Right, the whole class stays after school until the miscreants step forward and admit their wrongdoing!

            • Im going to correct a certain mistake until we all agree to stop making it.

              What fucking mistake?

              • JR in WV

                You’re fucking doing it WRONG??

                Who does fucking wrong???

            • Redwood Rhiadra

              What do you mean by “less liberal”, asshole? Bernie might have been more LEFTIST, but he was by no means more LIBERAL.

              Hillary Clinton was FAR MORE LIBERAL than Bernie on women’s rights and minority rights. Her entire career including her Senate record is extremely clear on this.

              Anyone who thinks that the only positions which define “liberal” are economics issues isn’t a liberal, or a progressive. They are a socialist. Bernie was proud to admit that. Shitheads like you aren’t.

              • Abbey Bartlet

                What do you mean by “less liberal”, asshole? Bernie might have been more LEFTIST, but he was by no means more LIBERAL.

                Hillary Clinton was FAR MORE LIBERAL than Bernie on women’s rights and minority rights. Her entire career including her Senate record is extremely clear on this.

                Anyone who thinks that the only positions which define “liberal” are economics issues isn’t a liberal, or a progressive. They are a socialist. Bernie was proud to admit that. Shitheads like you aren’t.

                This.

            • Tehanu

              Then we have a president who abandons it [liberalism] in two specific circumstances,…

              And you think that’s convincing, even damning? When Obama upheld and pressed and succeeded with it in dozens and dozens of other specific circumstances? Do you live in the real world, or in Il Douche’s world where all a President has to do is wave his magic wand to make something real? If you want the Democrats to be more liberal in the future, stop telling them — us — what “fools” and betrayers [of YOU] we were and start convincing Trump voters that liberal policies, not racism, are what’s going to help them.

          • q-tip

            We could stop feeding them. It’s not like they come up with their own puns or wry quips or anything. And the shtick has really run its course.

        • tsam

          HRC SUCKS OBAMA NEOLIBERAL SELLOUT

          You’re right–these counter factual statements are sure to secure NEOLIBERAL DEMONRAT victory next time around.

          • ProgressiveLiberal

            Pretty soon we can just pretend trump selected comey and then our hands will be clean.

            It can be our version of “george w bush kept us safe.”

            • Hogan

              So you don’t actually read this blog. Good to know.

            • (((Malaclypse)))

              Ever see a hot shot hit, kid? I saw the Gimp catch one in Philly. We rigged his room with a one-way whorehouse mirror and charged a sawski to watch it. He never got the needle out of his arm. They don’t if the shot is right. That’s the way they find them, dropper full of clotted blood hanging out of a blue arm. The look in his eyes when it hit — Kid, it was tasty.

              • DavidGa

                Well said, Dr. Benway.

            • I remember having clean hands. It was back in the ’80s. Things were different then, I remember. We had this thing called soap. Then my skin used to break out in rashes and I forswore bathing altogether.

            • Nick never Nick

              It’s interesting — blaming Obama for every single thing that happened in his government, and refusing to recognize that people besides Obama have agency and do things on their own, is a powerful right-wing trope.

              I don’t see that very much from liberals, especially progressive ones, it’s much more closely associated with racists, reactionaries, and assholes.

              • I actually have no problem blaming Obama for appointing Comey, and Scott has done it and said no Democratic President should ever appoint a Republican to such a position again. But ProgressiveLiberal 1) ignores that and 2) goes on to talk about how this just shows that Obama was overall a terrible President and a traitor to “liberalism” generally

                • Nick never Nick

                  yes, I agree — and it’s also possible to blame Obama for that, and yet understand that he might have felt pressures or had hopes for that appointment that affected his judgement. It’s not as if he’s a totally free actor who dictates what occurs — the pretense that he is is a Republican falsehood.

                • True

              • efgoldman

                it’s much more closely associated with racists, reactionaries, and assholes.

                And?

        • Scott Lemieux

          Yes, if a more liberal candidate is actually going to win the Democratic nomination the most important thing is to use a thread about Donald Trump’s racist attacks on John Lewis to relitigate the 2016 primaries. After all, white college students, white Brooklyn podcasters and white academics are definitely a majority coalition in themselves.

          • I believe the definition of the Democratic base is the guys who snort coke and call Hillary sexist names on ChapoTrapHouse

          • nixnutz

            That’s a really serious point IMO. Take PL’s own words and switch ’em around “Bernie can never fail, he can only be failed”, I warned you guys”, “I want to make sure this doesn’t happen again”. Well I sure as shit warned the Sanders guys that telling women and black voters to fuck off and calling Hillary a cunt on Twitter wasn’t going to win the nomination and here they are doubling down on going to war with the base of the party.

            You want to see a more liberal Democratic nominee, go join the Greens

    • guthrie

      It is of course possible that Obama isn’t perfect and has some weak points, and made some mistakes. He probably wasn’t sitting in a smoke filled room with the plutocrats plotting to sell the American worker out to international capitalism.

      It would be interesting to know why he has such faith in neoliberal ideas and institutions, but their power has been noted amongst even ostensibly left leaning folk, e.g. tony blair here in the UK. When you are spending your time politicking, it doesn’t leave much time to get good at understanding why neoliberalism is a stupid idea.

  • Jackson87

    Our future Attorney General would have us believe that he can be found in the photo, with his unsurpassed civil rights record, and all.

    • Nick never Nick

      he probably is in the photo, just perhaps not in the role one would prefer

  • Roger Ailes

    When John Lewis was first fighting for civil rights, Donald Trump was amassing his future fortune by being the shiftless ejaculate of a provider of whites-only housing.

    • brad

      Nownow, let’s not forget he’s also the child of an immigrant, as are all his children save one.

      • N__B

        he’s also the child of an immigrant

        An immigrant with fabulous hair. It’s a non-sequitur, but who cares?

        • muddy

          Whatta momma’s boy.

      • JR in WV

        No, no, Mr Trump is the grandson of an immigrant, who did real estate, if you can call a cheap bordello real estate.

        His dad Fred was the son of the immigrant, who started the whites only lodging real estate business, using the money Granddad made on the cheap bordellos…

        • brad

          He had a mother, too. Who was from Scotland.

          • N__B

            He had a mother, too.

            Because no self-respecting cloning vat would produce that.

  • JohnT

    I think it’s an underappreciated fact (especially abroad) that
    A) the pre-MLK American South was a brutal apartheid state and
    B) the supporters and enforcers of that state (especially the slightly younger ones who were in their 20s and 30s) didn’t go away. They’re still with us – in fact they form the very core of Trump’s base. Many of the men beating John Lewis on those grainy black & white photos are out there and expecting the support of the Trump they voted for.

    • I agree of course, but let me push back slightly on calling it “pre-MLK.” If Martin Luther King, Jr. is never born, the civil rights movement still happens and probably not all that differently than it happened. Let’s recall that John Lewis and the other Freedom Riders, as well as the sit-in movement, was accomplished with zero prompts from King or the SCLC. These were independent, student-led movements. None of this is to denigrate King, but I think it doesn’t serve our understanding of the movement to allow MLK to stand in for it.

      • JohnT

        Apologies, I was using it as a shorthand. Perhaps pre-1965?

        Separately reflectingon this I am surprised at the sheer lack of .. historical accounting for all this. Most state troopers who were at at the Pettus bridge is currently doubtless enjoying a pleasant retirement after a long and untroubled career. This despite the fact that they were fighting for the same cause as an SS-Scharfuhrer. The difference was that their enemies didn’t shoot back and Scharfuhrer would have been a pariah abroad and to some extent at home. This was partly brought home to me by the name of the new AG. If German parents of today called their kid Adolf Rommel they’d never hear the end of it, but 70 years after the Civil War Jefferson Bearegard was just a swell name for a baby boy.

        • Abbey Bartlet

          It does make one wonder if we might have been better off evacuating the slaves and then burning the entire CSA to the ground.

          • AMK

            I’m a huge fan of opioids for just this reason. We should call them freedom pills and hand them out at all the evangelical churches.

        • No reason to apologize, although it doesn’t work pre-1965 either. It’s worth remembering that after Montgomery, King really didn’t know what to do. He accomplished very little between 1955 and 1961, other than learning more about nonviolence, writing his book, building the SCLC, and recovering from his stabbing. Which is not to say this is nothing, but it was the students who reoriented the movement in Greensboro and with the Freedom Rides. But I was just making a point. And yes, I agree with you entirely on the other points.

          • efgoldman

            King really didn’t know what to do. He accomplished very little between 1955 and 1961

            Regardless of who organized what, I think you have to give King some credit (don’t know how much) for being the soaring, inspirational preacher. I know for this young, Northern pasty white kid in my teens and 20s at the time, he was inspiring as all hell.

            ETA: And most of those troopers, if they’re still alive, would be older than I am now – well into their 70s and 80s.

            • JohnT

              That’s a perfectly normal age to live to – we may all hope to live to our late 80s – and I would guess that a white Southern male racist ex-cop in his late 70s would be 100% lock to be a Trump Guy.

            • No question. He was very skilled and a great leader. All I’m saying is that he is not the civil rights movement.

              • Breadbaker

                Nor should we forget either the LDF and the attempted lynchings of Marshall and others for decades before this, nor the CRC and others to the left of it. It was a movement; it wasn’t monolithic. And those people too were brave in ways we can only hope to stand near their shadows.

  • Many of the men beating John Lewis on those grainy black & white photos are out there and expecting the support of the Trump they voted for.

    I look forward to Trump appointing some of them to his Lies and Deconciliation Commission.

  • Hogan

    But whether the attack on Lewis damages Trump is unclear. Ari Fleischer, the former press secretary to President George. W. Bush, said Trump made many comments on the campaign trail that were thought to be the end of him.

    “Politicians learn to stop saying anything controversial because their threshold of pain is low,” Fleischer said. “Trump can be boorish, he can be offensive, he can be highly controversial, but he lets it rip, and people see him as not another politician who parses his lips like politicians are supposed to.”

    Oh Ari–still exploring new dimensions of stupid, I see.

    • wjts

      Nonsense. Lip-parsing has a long and distinguished history in American politics dating at least as far back as G.H.W. Bush’s instruction on how the electorate could inform themselves of his position on new taxes.

    • The bizarre political use of “parse” to mean “dissemble, equivocate” is itself obnoxious (it seems to have originated in the ’90s, as “Clintonian parsing” or the like), but “parse his lips” just deserves a solid kicking.

      • muddy

        Parse his lips, straight to his hips.

  • vic rattlehead

    *snort* Lewis had more accomplishments to his name by his early 20s than Trump does in his 70 years on this planet. Lewis repeatedly put his body on the line to fight for justice and still bears scars today. And Trump was born rich and white on top of that. Sad!

    I mean, he was elected so I guess he’s an accomplished demagogue. And an accomplished con artist. But overall he’s probably the least qualified, least accomplished president we’ve ever seen.

  • Peterr

    [Lewis is] All talk, talk, talk – no action or results. Sad!

    Yep.

    He’s also unrepentant about his long criminal arrest record. From the LA Times, last November 19:

    Officials in Tennessee’s capital city have unearthed never-before-published photos and records documenting Lewis’ arrests there decades ago while he was leading an effort to desegregate the city’s lunch counters.

    Nashville Mayor Megan Barry surprised Lewis with the records while he was on stage Saturday at the Nashville Public Library to receive a literary award for “March,” a three-part graphic novel about his life in the civil rights movement.

    “I was surprised, and I almost cried. I held back tears, because I was so young,” Lewis, now 76 and long a Democratic congressman from Georgia, told reporters afterward. “I would love to have copies of them and place them in my Washington office, so when young people, especially children, come by, and even some of my colleagues, they will see what happened and be inspired to do something.” . . .

    Lewis said he has been arrested 45 times for his activism — including five times since he was elected to Congress. But his first arrest came in Nashville.

    “I’m probably going to be arrested again,” he said.

    And then there are the photos on Donald Trump’s office wall. Brings to mind a word that is on the tip of my tongue . . . what is it? . . . Oh, yeah.

    Sad!

    • muddy

      “Rap sheet as long as your arm….”

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      • Hogan

        Apparently in the Trump Era, race-baiting doesn’t need to have any racial content. “He was being black at me!”

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