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I have never been more ashamed of my nation than I am today. Just one of many examples of the real life consequences of a fascist president.

Egyptian officials said the family had visas and were in transit when they were prevented from boarding the EgyptAir plane to New York’s JFK airport.

Fuad Sharef, 51, and his wife and three children were instead forced to board a flight back to Erbil in Iraq’s semi-autonomous region of Kurdistan, he told AFP.

Trump had on Friday signed a sweeping executive order to suspend refugee arrivals and impose tough controls on travelers from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.

“I had sold my house, my car, my furniture. I resigned from work and so did my wife. I took my children out of school,” said Sharef of the family’s preparations to resettle in Nashville, Tennessee under a special immigrant visa.

Back in Erbil, the pharmaceutical industry manager, who had previously worked for an NGO subcontracted by the US aid agency, said he was devastated.

“Donald Trump destroyed my life. My family’s life. I used to think America was a state of institutions but it’s as though it’s a dictatorship,” he said.

“For a decision like this to come out and be implemented immediately, and against whom? Against a valid visa holder.”

“I put my life at risk, working with the Americans at a time that it could have gotten you killed,” he added.

The United States of America is a racist embarrassment to the world.

Also, this is yet another reason why a vote for Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III as Attorney General is a reason to evict a senator from the Democratic Party.

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  • During the Bush 43 administration I was ashamed of my country fairly often, but it wasn’t like there were multiple new things to be ashamed of every single day. In my worst nightmares during that time I could never have imagined this.

    I feel physically ill.

    • DamnYankees

      I feel physically ill.

      Yes. I have this pit in my stomach. For the first time in my life I wrote my representatives this morning. Largely because I am married to a green card holder, and for the first time in my life I feel profoundly, personally insecure. Not sure what else to do. As I told them in my letter, I almost feel guilty that I only wrote now because of the personal impact on me; the ban on Syrian refugees and other people based on their religion or national origin is an abomination in and of itself, regardless of whether it impacts my personal life. But the pit in my stomach won’t go away.

      • I suspect I am going to write Sen. Nelson and/or call his office sooner rather than later. I don’t expect that writing/calling Rubio or Buchanan would do any good, though.

        • DamnYankees

          Do it anyways. Can’t hurt. I think a lot of Republicans are the “good Germans” – they don’t want this stuff, but they are indifferent enough to it that they won’t oppose. The only way to shake them out of it is to inundate them, put it in their face that there are people who care.

          • Yeah, I probably will. As I mentioned below, one of my friends is existentially threatened by this.

          • Mike G

            Go read “Trump Regrets” on Twitter.
            A lot of really stupid people out there.

            https://twitter.com/trumpbigregrets?lang=en

            My favorites —

            David Walden [email protected]
            @realDonaldTrump and I supported the Trump Presidency because Donald John Trump is a moral, ethical, honorable man … WAS I WRONG??????:

            navskie ‏@__navjot Jan 23
            @realDonaldTrump I voted 4 u to get rid of abama-don’tcare not kill the ACA! I have surgery next month!

            • efgoldman

              A lot of really stupid people out there.

              They made their choice, a lot of them out of willful ignorance and purposeful stupidity.

              Fuckem.

              • Rugosa

                It’s almost like the out-of-touch coastal elites were able to spot a con man but the salt of the earth Real Americans got fooled.

                • Bri2k

                  This is like the movie the Flim Flam Man writ large all across the country.

  • DamnYankees

    What’s different about this is that it really seems to me that the country doesn’t support this. During Bush’s awful tenure, there was a very odd feeling that while you thought what he did was awful and indefensible, it was at least consistent with the will of the majority. Bush was popular, sad to say. The things he wanted to do were mostly popular. Even the stuff that we think of as unpopular, they had a huge propaganda push to make them popular.

    This feels different. This feels like we have a system where we let a wolf in to the house. And the wolf knows what he’s doing is unpopular, so they are just going to slam it through, don’t give people time to notice. No effort to convince people its the right thing to do.

    It’s profoundly unsettling.

    • It is quite possibly the end of American democracy.

      • I’ve been saying this out loud since roughly Nov. 8. Even before then, I was privately convinced that that would be the case if he won.

      • DamnYankees

        I’d like to think if this was the case, it would be beginning the Californian Democracy. But that’s hard to imagine.

      • LeeEsq

        The Republicans are a revolutionary party right now. To them there is no such thing as loyal opposition and anybody who objects to them in anyway is a traitor. They have inherited the worst traits of the McCarthy era Republican Party and the Dixiecrats.

        • They’re basically a Bizarro World Leninist party at this point. Bannon has explicitly identified himself as such, I believe.

          • LeeEsq

            The Republican march towards becoming a revolutionary party goes all the way back to Goldwater at least.

        • Asteroid_Strike_Brexit

          Comrade Secretary General Bannon said he was a Leninist.

          • LeeEsq

            We’re doomed.

        • Dagmar

          To the Republicans today, the Constitution is just a sheet of paper. The birth of the new national security state, in a pseudo-republican/white-“christian” nation. Bush ushered in the foundation of the national security state, but somebody had enough principles to prevent him from a wholesale assault on the Constitution. We got softened up with torture and the Patriot Act, had the Obama respite, and now it’s a full scale revolution.

    • LeeEsq

      Trump and company are the type of people that don’t really care that most Americans don’t support this. To them, anybody opposed is a traitor the United States and they do not need to pay attention to them.

    • jamesepowell

      During Bush’s awful tenure, there was a very odd feeling that while you thought what he did was awful and indefensible, it was at least consistent with the will of the majority.

      I’d disagree in this respect. People openly agreed with and supported Bush, even on torture. With Trump, they may not say in public or a poll that they support him. But when they go into the voting booth, they will vote for him. Because it will infuriate the people who they hate & fear. Because fuck the liberal media. Because tax cuts. Because any number of reasons.

      But the sad sad truth is that Americans do not have a history of objecting to atrocities done in their name. See, e.g., public support for Lt. Calley.

      • humanoid.panda

        Right. the sweeping support for Trump is why he got less share of popular vote than McCain

      • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

        Or going further back, putting the Japanese in detention camps.

  • Cheerfull

    Agreed. My beloved country (I didn’t realize I loved it so much until I saw it disappearing) has been taken over by the smallest, stupidest and most fearful of its people. If this stands, if it is not fought hard and immediately, it pretty much marks us forever after as a nation of jerks.

  • DamnYankees

    This might sound stupid and childish, but…where is Barack Obama? I know he’s only been out of office for a week, but I don’t know who else liberals should turn to right now.

    I don’t know how long people like him can sit this stuff out under the guise of precedent and tradition. And there’s no one else like him right now.

    Maybe it wouldn’t be useful. Maybe counterproductive. But I don’t know where else to turn for thunderous leadership.

    • He’s doing this, for whatever that’s worth. I do agree with your wish that he’d make more public statements, though.

      • DamnYankees

        He’s the only person I can think of who the news might actually cover equal to, if not more than, Trump himself.

        Op eds won’t cut it.

        • Davis X. Machina

          He’s a big gun — but with only one bullet.

          • DamnYankees

            Sometimes that’s enough. Doesn’t matter how many bullets you have if you keep your gun holstered.

            PS: For anyone reading, this is metaphorical. No actual bullets should be involved in this.

    • Correct. Obama needs to step up here. I know he deserves a vacation. But silence from him at this critical time is unacceptable.

      • DamnYankees

        He has the chance here to be more important in his post-presidency than he was during it. It’s a world historical moment, as far as I can tell. We’ll see if he’s up to it.

        • Linnaeus

          If there is anyone in this country who is up to it, I’d put my money on Obama, were I a betting man.

      • jamesepowell

        Disagree. I think our next generation of leaders need to step up.

        First on the list should be anyone who wants to be DNC chair. That person ought to be out front on the “Vote for Sessions and you are dead to us!” campaign.

        Second on the list should be anyone who wants to be the 2020 nominee. Gillibrand seems to get it, but who else is playing the Kerry, Clinton, Gephardt, Daschle collaboration & cooperation game?

        • DamnYankees

          They can step up too. But at the moment I’m not worried about developing Democrats for 2020. I’m not worried about the future of the party, I’m worried about the present of the country. You go with the best you got.

        • The Lorax

          Kamala Harris, whom I loved as AG, gets it. I love her even more now.

        • (((Malaclypse)))

          I think our next generation of leaders need to step up.

          I think everybody needs to step up. This is when we find out what “never again” means for each and every one of us.

      • Dennis Orphen

        Enough rope for a hanging has to be let out first. It’s only been a week.

        • DamnYankees

          You say “it’s only been a week” like that’s a good thing. That’s what makes it even worse. It’s only been a week. We have at least 200 something more of these.

        • Snarki, child of Loki

          It takes far less rope for a garroting, just saying.

      • Hob

        I’m terrible at predicting anything, but… just as I would be very surprised if Obama actually stays silent, I would also be very surprised if he popped up to make a statement as quickly as possible without choosing his words and his venue very carefully. That’s just who he’s always been, for better and for worse.

        (At least, that’s how it seems to me. I have an acquaintance, of the Democrats Are All Neoliberal Swine variety, who instead sees it as proof that Obama literally doesn’t give a shit about anything and never, ever did, because he is pure evil. Said acquaintance also feels that the fact that Trump got immigration authorities to follow his executive order is proof that Obama could’ve easily made all good things happen by fiat, but declined to do so because he is pure evil. I’m considering perhaps paying less attention to this person.)

        • To be honest, the argument against green lanternism is actually going to much harder to refute in the future.

          • Hob

            Only if people insist on using the most pointlessly vague version of that argument. I mean, correct me if I’m wrong but that metaphor was originally used in the context of Obama not being able to single-handedly enact things like single-payer healthcare. I see nothing in Trump’s current fuckery that is applicable to that scenario.

            No one with any sense ever denied that some categories of things can be done by executive action in the short term– and (although the guy I mentioned will of course never acknowledge it) Obama did take that route in some cases, specifically about immigration. Of course he caught a lot of shit for it and some of his actions were blocked… but let’s say we feel like assuming that Trump will definitely prevail over all the lawsuits that were filed today, and succeed in accomplishing everything he set out to do, through sheer power of evil. OK, so what kinds of things did he set out to do? Abusive, destructive things where he didn’t have to give a shit about the details (and in fact could accomplish them most easily by not really making it clear what the authorities were supposed to do, thereby giving them leeway to just make shit up). Again, I don’t see how this is supposed to translate into a political tactic for some future non-insane President who wants to accomplish constructive things.

            • Hob

              (Although maybe I misunderstood your point? There’s a double negative there – “refute the argument against” – which makes it a little unclear)

          • pseudalicious

            I think it needs an asterisk: it’s hard to do things that actually help people all by yourself, Green Lantern-style, when the very DNA of our country is shot through with all the *isms, plus “i got mine, fuck you”. If you want to fuck over an underclass, people will hop to.

      • Roberta

        What happens if Obama goes to JFK, with his full Secret Service detail, and refuses to leave until the ban is revoked?

        If Carter and Clinton join him?

        The odds of this happening are only slightly higher than the odds of Donald Trump’s sincere conversion to the cause of human rights, but honestly, that’s where I think their moral obligation lies right now.

  • drahthaar

    Gosh, the next thing you know Trump might just appoint a conservative to the Supreme Court.

    How could the kind and wise electorate have possibly known this would be the result of Trump winning?

    • jamesepowell

      I think we’d all breathe a sigh of relief if he nominates a mere conservative. What we expect is more of a RW radical. Bork will seem mild by comparison.

      • DamnYankees

        A conservative I can live with. Like, I actually think there’s a pretty decent chance someone like Roberts would rule a Muslim ban unconstitutional.

        I worry less about a return to Lochner, and more a return to Korematsu. We can fix the former. The latter is existential.

  • Dilan Esper

    This is horrifying. I wonder if these stories will change some minds about immigration.

    I know it’s fun on the left to pretend that everyone on the right is an unrepentant racist, but minds do get changed. Harriet Beecher Stowe convinced plenty of Americans that slavery was terrible.

    A lot of people have popped off about immigrants for decades with zero idea about who is actually affected by US policies. Some of them may learn now.

    • Linnaeus

      As I’ve pointed out to a couple of people lately, about 100 years ago or so, it was your ancestors who were not considered fit to be in America.

      • Bri2k

        Hell 100 years ago, half of my ancestors weren’t even considered white.

    • nasser

      One way to do it would be to point out the many Iraqi translators and others who risked their lives for U.S. soldiers and are being denied entry into the U.S. Then again, that may not be enough. Remember how the Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service included, at the behest of Hindenburg, exceptions for Jewish soldiers who fought in WWI? Didn’t exactly work out long-term…

      • This has been going on since Vietnam. Many who helped occupying American forces w/ translation or whatever, no matter which occupation, have later been refused refugee/entry visas/status.

    • Davis

      I am not hopeful. Remember the small dead boy washed up on the beach? Shocking image didn’t have an effect in the long run. I am not hopeful about anything, really.

      • wengler

        I have had conversations with people that saw that picture and considered it a good start. The cockroaches are coming out of the wall and they no longer fear the light.

        • Jean-Michel

          And why shouldn’t they? The people who run the country laugh at pictures like that. Trump and Bannon and all the rest read stories like this and share them with each other the way others share cat videos. This is America now.

        • CrunchyFrog

          The cockroaches are coming out of the wall and they no longer fear the light.

          This is more true than most of you know.

          As I’ve reported before, I live in a very conservative part of Colorado in which most residents are multi-generation military. When we moved here in the middle of Bush’s reign that didn’t seem like such a big deal. But the locals went crazy after Obama won and have gotten crazier since.

          My youngest is reporting a new level of harassment in the local high school, and she’s far from alone. It started in the fall. In activities with both genders she noticed the boys had adopted a new level of meanness, a sort of Trump-speak. The same boys had been much better behaved in the same activities the year before. Jokes about rape, open nastiness about girls looks, etc. But what pushed my youngest over the line was the girls – girls of pro-Trump families – who not only accept this behavior but have adopted a similar level of bullying themselves – towards other girls or boys who are considered outsiders. I’ve mentioned this to some teachers who I know are quietly liberal and they confirm it’s universal in this area – and that they have few options. If they bring it up Trump is often mentioned as justification. And the kids parents basically pile it on.

          In other words, this group of people has been wanting to do this stuff (and I’m sure a lot worse) openly for a long time and held back due to societal norms. Those norms are breaking down fast.

          I’d hoped to never move again. Now I’m starting the checklist to sell the house in early summer – we’re going to need flexibility. My youngest does on-line school so she can disconnect from the activities an as she drives now we’re finding replacements in the liberal areas up in Denver – but even in those areas there are signs of wingnut teen boys feeling they are free to “open up” with their politically incorrect opinions and behavior. My youngest tells me that even at the local UU youth groups, which she’d started to attend out of desperation to find non-wingnut peers, those kind of attitudes have permeated the group consciousness – at least there the group members still call it out as bad.

          I’ve also said before that in the 80s I lived in West Germany and studied the history of the 30s and 40s there. Like so many of us, I feel like we’re living the 1933 all over again. But the weird thing is – the economy is pretty good, most people are doing okay, and that’s especially true of the locals where I live. It’s now clear that it really wasn’t about economics back then – you just need some groups to stir up the shit and the part of the population that is naturally fascist/authoritarian will rise up and join in.

          • I can’t even imagine how horrifying it must be to be a parent right now. Good luck.

    • Gator90

      You’re right. The present moment affords right-wingers a golden opportunity to demonstrate just how many of them are not, in fact, unrepentant racists. Stay tuned.

    • jamesepowell

      If there is an evidence to support being hopeful about Americans changing their mind toward foreigners of the darker hues, then I’m not aware of it. Even liberals of my acquaintance often express reservations about letting “those people” into our paradise of freedom. All it takes is a recent terrorist event – it doesn’t even have to be in the US – and you will people lose their grip.

    • efgoldman

      Harriet Beecher Stowe convinced plenty of Americans that slavery was terrible.

      And she was long dead before any of my family got to this country.
      And so was Lincoln.
      MLK is dead. Eugene Debs is dead. FDR, LBJ, all dead.
      Meanwhile don’t ever forget that it was asshole Hillary Haterz like you who helped put these Shitweasels into power.
      Yeah, only a little teeny bit. But 80k votes in three counties was only a little teeny bit.
      I can’t speak for anybody else here, but I abhor you at least as much as I do Citrus Shithead. The RWNJs, at least, are scorpions. It’s in their nature.

      • I’m as angry as you are about the state of affairs, but Jim Comey put this short-fingered vulgarian in power.

        • It was a group effort. The media and Russians also played a part, as did the Hillary Haterz.

        • Dennis Orphen

          Was it the last straw that broke the camels back or was it all the other ones put there first?

      • Dilan Esper

        Ef, I advocated for the election of HRC.

        What you are saying is that I should have faked an orgasm and pretended I thought she was honest, a peacenik, anti-corporatist, and reliably liberal.

        But I don’t believe that. So if your standard is anyone who said what they honestly thought elected Trump, sorry, you are crazy and malicious. And I really don’t give a shit what crazy haters think of me.

        • Bri2k

          I dunno dude. Whatever “support” for her you thought you expressed seemed totally disingenuous to me.

          • Dilan Esper

            I probably said twenty or thirty times i was voting for her.

            Look, it’s not like my endorsement counts for anything anyway. But I said it.

            Further, there’s zero causation here. Like if I lie and say she’s great in all respects, that’s going to convince skeptics to vote for her? If anything my approach had a better shot- look, i am skeptical too but I am voting for her.

  • So, I’m having an excruciatingly difficult time focusing on anything right now because I’m existentially worried for a friend of mine who moved here from Iran as a student. I mentioned her in a previous thread, and the more news I hear the more worried I get. I’m honestly not sure what her options are or will be, but I want to be able to suggest something to help her. I suspect she would be in grave danger if she were forced to return there because I’m almost certain she no longer has religious beliefs, and such people do not tend to be treated well over there, so if that were discovered, it would be disastrous for her.

    The most obvious thing that comes to mind is the idea of marrying someone for citizenship. I’m sure she would be able to find someone who’d be willing to do that, and, in fact, if she lived closer to me, I probably would be willing to do so myself. (I probably would be willing to do so anyway; I’m just not convinced that it would do any good, since I don’t think it would stick.) I’m just not even certain that that option will even be open to her for much longer – or indeed, whether it will even be open to her tomorrow.

    I don’t know. What the hell do we even do for friends of ours who are existentially threatened by this administration? I feel existentially threatened as well, but at least I’m a citizen.

    • drahthaar

      There is a possibility that commenting a lot on blogs is not going to save the Republic.

      • It’s a good thing no one suggested that then, you condescending asshole. Your choice to respond to a request for constructive advice to help a friend in existential danger with a condescending non-sequitur provides further proof, as though any was necessary, as to exactly what kind of person you are. If you don’t have any constructive advice to offer, I invite you to go jump off a cliff.

        • efgoldman

          It’s a good thing no one suggested that then

          Asshole trolls gotta’ asshole troll.

          • I mean, I flat-out said I’d marry an Iranian expatriate to help her stay in the country, and this clueless asshole goes off on some rant about commenting on blogs not being constructive. Because obviously, if I’m talking about marrying someone so she can become a citizen, I’m limiting my resistance to blog comments.

            • We have a good friend who married an Italian a few years ago. Naturalization by marriage, even for an allied nation, was a LONG and difficult process. In fact, we had to contribute statements as to the nature of their relationship, and this was under Obama, took about 5 years as I recall. I wouldn’t consider that a slam dunk approach by any means…

            • drahthaar

              Every time you make a post about things you aren’t actually going to do to resist the incipient fascism, another Trump supporter gets a red hat.

              • It’s a good thing I’m not doing that then, fuckhead. I’m assisting my vulnerable friends in resisting the administration in whatever ways I can, and I’ve made several donations to various organisations that help resist the shitgibbon’s agenda. What, exactly, have you done to resist fascism in this country? Concern trolling about punching Nazis doesn’t count.

              • Origami Isopod

                Could you please go fuck yourself? Thanks in advance.

              • (((Malaclypse)))

                Every time you make a post about things you aren’t actually going to do to resist the incipient fascism, another Trump supporter gets a red hat.

                This is the most pathetic threat ever. And I’m including the time Jennie stopped buying microwave burritos because of a 5-cent tax.

      • No shit. Don’t be a keyboard commando. Time documenting one’s outrage could be spent learning how to defend oneself. At the shooting range.

        People on the left should be ready. Words will be rendered meaningless, but bullets always have meaning.

        • If I didn’t suffer from clinical depression, I’d already have armed myself and be practising at shooting ranges several times a week. Sadly, this will never be an option for me, as having a firearm in the household vastly increases one’s risk of suicide.

          I do encourage anyone thinking about purchasing a firearm to read this piece from Adam Silverman. It is particularly important to note that firearms do not improve your security unless you know how to use them and store them properly.

        • Davis X. Machina

          IED’s. Al Gore’s internet for the win. Knowledge just wants to be free…

        • drahthaar

          Exactly.

        • UserGoogol

          That’s simply not true. Bullets are as subject to interpretation as anything else. If your goal is merely to put a bullet wound in things, they’ll do that pretty reliably. But in so far as you have broader goals it depends on how people interpret that: you can’t shoot everyone after all. Is it a lone nut, a false flag, an opportunity to be a martyr? The effects differ significantly. Even from a narrow short term self defense perspective, the whole point is to send a message: stop that or I will kill you. If they don’t get the message then there’s not much that can be done. Sure if they die they will in fact stop what they’re doing, but it’s a bad situation that can easily get worse.

          Communication is what it’s all about. Blog posts alone aren’t enough, but action divorced from communication is literally meaningless.

        • Origami Isopod

          Did you know you’re replying to a troll who got extremely offended the other day that anyone would think punching Nazis is good?

    • Darkrose

      She should get in touch with the National Iranian American Council ASAP. They seem to be a good, knowledgeable resource at the moment.

    • The Great God Pan

      Make sure she knows that marrying a citizen to fast-track her immigration status is not only unlikely to work but is illegal and the citizen could go to prison.

      • whoops. I should read the whole thread. Similar to my comment above…

      • Did not realise this. Is this the case even if it’s not the only reason for the marriage (i.e., the people concerned intend to be romantically involved anyway)?

        • As I said above, they look very closely for evidence of romantic involvement. Pictures of PDA, testimony…our friends actually had two kids involved and evidence of co-habitation for quite some time, both in Italy and in America. still required everything but screwing in front of the investigators….

        • The Great God Pan

          I’m not an expert, but there w6puld be an investigation and you’d have to convince immigration officials that the relationship is real. And they will be inclined towards skepticism, especially under the current circumstances. If you don’t live together and you get married next week and then she applies for a green card, I don’t think it’s going to work. You have to prove an existing romantic relationship of some length.

          Plus all of this would just be in the service of maybe getting her a green card in a couple of years, I think. Marrying a citizen won’t automatically make her a citizen.

          • Right. Still, helping her advance towards becoming a citizen would be better than nothing.

            Presumably establishing a romantic relationship and then marrying later might work, I guess. I suppose the length of the relationship would be an important factor as well, though.

            (also in response to zombie rotten mcdonald above; I didn’t feel like making two comments saying roughly the same thing)

  • Darkrose

    I was ashamed of my country when a black man was beaten by police on video and the cops were acquitted.

    I was ashamed of my country when a black boy was shot by a racist shitbag in Florida and the boy was blamed and the shitbag acquitted.

    I was ashamed of my country but not surprised when a 12-year-old black boy was shot in a park by a trigger-happy cop who faced no consequences.

    I learned I was still capable of being surprised by the depths of my country’s shame when white voters elected an incompetent racist who still wants to lynch four black men who were exonerated of the crime they were falsely convicted of. When marginalized people expressed our anger we were told that we needed to understand white people’s anxiety.

    I’m tired and depressed and scared. And I have zero faith that white folks are going to step up this time. The Bible that white evangelicals claim to take as the literal word of their God is very clear on how they’re supposed to treat refugees, but they have all kinds of excuses for why Matthew 25 doesn’t mean what it says. They have their king in orange now.

  • Warren Terra

    Let’s be perfectly clear: this is what Trump promised as a candidate. Indeed, this is but a pale shadow of what he promised as a candidate, and what he might still do. This is what tens of millions of Americans voted for, and what many more refused to vote against. This is what a bare handful of Republicans, most of them retired or opposing Trump for other reasons, criticized during the campaign, and this is what exactly one Republican in office has publicly disagreed with since Trump did it – and he only wants it delayed until it can be done more thoughtfully and deliberately, whatever that means.

    This is appalling. It’s horrific. But it is what the Republican party is, what too much of the country is. And it’s going to get worse.

    • Warren Terra
      • DamnYankees

        Everyone seems to be focusing on the Muslim part. Which is of course awful. I’d expect people to also mention the fact that this effects existing green card holders. Which seems unprecedented and almost more violative – it’s one thing to say that people in another country can’t come in. It’s something else to say that people who have lived here for so long, and are so committed, that they are permanent residents, can’t come back. What the fuck?

        • Warren Terra

          Every time you look at it, it’s worse than you thought.

          You raise green card holders, many of whom have lived here for decades, have families, homes, jobs, friends here – and nowhere else. But how much do you know about green cards? If you have a green card, you have to be within the US more than half the time, or you lose the green card – 183 days a year (I don’t know if that’s the calendar year or any 365 day stretch). This order comes with a 90 day ban on any entry of people from the affected countries. It’s entirely possible people who’ve been here for many years could lose their green cards on this basis; others might have to give up jobs and other commitments that involve a lot of international travel.

          Also: I said above “from the affected countries”. US immigration lawyers are telling people “from the affected countries” they’re affected, even if their connection to that country is beyond tenuous. There’s a British Member of Parliament – a Tory – who emigrated from Iraq as an infant and has been told he can’t visit the US with his British passport.

          And then there are the universities, medical schools, and research labs telling their students not to leave the country lest they get prevented from returning, and telling other students due to arrive that they can’t come …

    • Warren Terra

      Also to be clear: I expect a lot of Trump supporters are gleefully enjoying these stories of people with valid travel papers and compelling life stories being rejected at the border.

      • Mike G

        This. Authoritarian-followers love watching big bully government wreck the lives of people they hate. Until it starts bullying them, then they’ll whine how unfair it all is, that they couldn’t possibly have seen this coming.

      • Origami Isopod

        They are. I’ve seen enough of it in various places today.

  • Harry Hardrada

    Meanwhile, in Iraq:

    https://twitter.com/cbsMcCormick/status/825467899779379201

    CBS News: US official says Americans could be expelled from Iraq during crucial battle against ISIS in Mosul

    • Just_Dropping_By

      I’d long ago given up on the US presence being “Order 66’ed” by the Iraqis, but now that actually seems more plausible than ever before.

  • DJ

    So this is the United States of Assholes now?

    None of this is a surprise (except to trump voters, apparently?) but I don’t think I can take a month of this, much less a year… or four. I’m glad I live in a big blue city but with R’s gerrymandering everything – including the EC(!) – the future has never seemed so uncertain.

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