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Now featured at the top levels of the White House:

Friday was International Holocaust Remembrance Day, held every year on January 27, the anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau. The White House, which issues a statement on the day every year, is being criticized for the one released on Friday which honors the “victims, survivors, and heroes” of that time, but fails to make any mention of the Jews or anti-Semitism.

Many thought it was odd that Donald Trump declined to honor Jews specifically, who, history shows, were the most persecuted group during the Holocaust. When CNN asked for some kind of clarification, Trump administration spokeswoman Hope Hicks said that “despite what the media reports, we are an incredibly inclusive group and we took into account all of those who suffered.” In comparison, both Barack Obama’s and George W. Bush’s statements mentioned either Jews, Israel, or anti-Semitism by name.

White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus spoke to NBC’s Chuck Todd on Meet the Press Sunday morning, further defending the President’s choice of words. “We acknowledge the horrible time of the Holocaust and what it meant for history,” Priebus said, adding, “You know that President Trump has dear family members that are Jewish, and there was no harm or ill will or offense intended by any of that.”

As Duncan says, this isn’t a minor matter. It’s Holocaust denialism:

This is textbook holocaust denial, or specifically soft holocaust denial “minimization.” Basically, it’s a denial that Jews were targeted specifically. Oh yes, it’s sad that there were so many people who died during the war, but there’s no reason to single out the Jews as victims. Wars are just tragic and sad, generally.

In retrospect, I can see an argument that the white nationalism of the Republican candidate for president was a more important issue than email server management.

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  • Hercules Mulligan

    I’m kind of surprised they’d blunder into such an obvious pitfall on such a small (ish) issue.

    Not that it matters, I guess; won’t stop Netanyahu and AIPAC from embracing the whole administration.

    • Todd

      It’s not a blunder. This is the holocaust statement they wanted to release, and on the same day they ordered the Muslim ban. They probably took more time crafting the holocaust statement dog whistle than the executive order.

    • Peterr

      To echo Abbey below, this is not a blunder.

      This is who Bannon is.

      • Miller is at least as nutty as Bannon is.

        • Gee Suss

          This isn’t nutty. They’re trying to mainstream their shitty world view as quickly as possible.

    • LeeEsq

      AIPAC exists but is basically impotent with anybody right now. Netanyahu might be a bit more complicated in his thoughts and actions than you think he is.

    • efgoldman

      I’m kind of surprised they’d blunder into such an obvious pitfall

      I’m not. They’d have to go up many many levels to reach incompetent.
      It’s clear there’s not one fucking person in the whole damned place who’s job it is (and who has the knowledge) to do basic proofreading and editing.

  • Judas Peckerwood

    In addition to being bigoted assholes, Trump and his minions are dumb as fuck.

    Seriously, how hard is it to not shoot yourself in the foot when issuing a Holocaust Remembrance Day statement, even if your administration is led by a raging anti-Semite?

    • Abbey Bartlet

      They didn’t do it by mistake. They were playing to their base. And their base heard them loud and clear.

      • No Longer Middle Aged Man

        How long before it’s fair to refer to Kapo Kushner? It’s a horrible label sometimes directed at people who don’t toe the Likud part line. Kushner actually works with and enables a crypto-neo-Nazi.

        • ExpatJK

          The kapo label is not fair, because mostly these were people in the camps. Judenrat is more accurate (Jews who ran the ghetto and selected which of their neighbours/friends died, of course in the end they were ultimately sent to the camps as well).

          • “Shanda vir de goyim” also works, although as NL said it could also be “shanda vir de Yiddishkeit”. But yes, the kapos were tragic figures. These people have nothing tragic about them.

            • ExpatJK

              Yes, this is why I went with Judenrat. There’s a difference between making horrible choices in a a slave labour/extermination camp facility and choosing which people you know get to get SENT to that facility.

              • rewenzo

                Depends on the Judenrat, and depends on the member of the Judenrat. They weren’t all sellouts. Some of them were genuinely trying to shield the Jews under their authority from the Nazis as much as possible, given the limited means and resources they had. Some judenrate actually worked with the resistance.

          • ForkyMcSpoon

            Fun fact: while the term Judenrat is suggestive in English, it’s not actually calling them rats. “Rat” means council in German.

            • ExpatJK

              I know. I always found it amusing in Germany to see the political Rathauses. heh.

      • tahfromslc

        Yep and more yep. The chaos is a feature, not a bug.

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  • NewishLawyer

    I wonder how Julia Hahn, Stephen Miller, and Jared Kushner slept at night. How do they justify working with Bannon?

    I’ve called them Shande vir de Goyim but that is not quite right. They are more like Shande vir de Yiddishkeit. They have abandoned their Jewishness for power.

    • Nobdy

      They don’t care? Who is to say they ever cared about their “jewishness?” They think that they will be safe (and this seems likely; I don’t even think Bannon wants actual genocide) and they literally do not care about anyone else.

      It’s hard for empathetic people to understand people who just fundamentally do not have empathy, but if you can understand the mindset then their behavior is internally consistent, especially when you add being raised in privilege and/or overconfidence (Even if they come for the others they will never come for ME! I’m the boss’s son in law for gosh sake.)

      Jewish people are just as capable of being awful as anyone else.

      • Idon’t think Bannon is committed to committing genocide himself, but he’s happy to lay the groundwork and won’t lose any sleep if somebody else follows through.

        • Nobdy


          But who would drive it? The ire seems mostly pointed at Muslims right now and none of the people pulling the strings are for Jewish genocide, but this is too mucheap thin slicing. Genocide or repression, none of it can be accepted, and the targets don’t really matter either. Resist resist resist. Hopefully we never find out what is in their rotten goddamned hearts.

        • Origami Isopod

          won’t lose any sleep

          I think you misspelled “will masturbate to the point of blisters.”

          As for whether he’d pick up a gun and go for it himself, that’d depend on whether his personal safety would be at risk. He’s got no problem beating women or children; I suspect the calculus changes rapidly if his targets have the means and opportunity to kick his ass.

      • efgoldman

        I don’t even think Bannon wants actual genocide

        Only because he doesn’t think the military can handle the logistics.
        Only half kidding.

        none of the people pulling the strings are for Jewish genocide

        That they’ll say out loud.

      • Richard Gadsden

        Even Bannon wants ethnic cleansing, not mass murder.

        He wants to push all the Jews to Israel, not kill them.

        This is why they work so well with Bibi – remember that Bibi’s reaction to Jews being murdered in France was “come to Israel”, not making any effort to make France a better place.

        • jam

          Expulsion was much of the original plan in Nazi Germany too. Of course, then they captured territory that was already full of Jews…

    • I don’t wonder at all.

      They are probably persuaded that this is compatible with the Jewish religion, and who am I to say they’re wrong? (You’ll notice they’re all men and their wives restrict their Jewishness to keeping house.)

      The only way to know they are wrong is to look at the way they treat Muslims and the way they talk about Islam.

      • ASV

        Julia Hahn is a man?

    • ExpatJK

      Probably fairly easily. I imagine the Judenrat also slept well, no? They probably justify it in many ways, including “they won’t come after me and mine” etc etc. Too bad herem is not much of a thing anymore, because they should definitely be cast out.

    • AMK

      It’s not hard to understand. Both Likudnik Orthodox Jews and white nationalist/evangelical Christians hate Muslims. It’s frankly what explains the lovefest between the Netanyahu government and the GOP, or why AIPAC pal around with evangelical Christians who want all Jews to return to Israel to perish in the second coming.

      • ExpatJK

        Also, those two groups completely despise liberal Jews, so this enhances the connection as well.

    • DocAmazing

      Call it Evil Intersectionality: it’s a bit like Log Cabin Republicans. Rich white Jewish men (and some rich white Jewish women) are rich white men (and women) who happen to be Jewish, much in the manner that rich white gay men in the Republican party are rich white men who happen to be gay.

      • Hogan

        Evil Intersectionality

        Ooh! Keeper.

  • LeeEsq

    This isn’t exactly a new thing. Holocaust Remembrance Day without the Jews occurred in recent years in Europe to.” The different politics of European countries and the United States means that different people are excluding the Jews for different reasons. In the United States, its the far right and in Europe, the far left.

    On January 20th, I was walking to the subway station from work. There was a small anti-Trump protest at Federal Plaza. According to this protest, Israelis were going to build Trump’s security wall, etc. They were accusing Trump of being an agent of Jews/Israel, which is laughable but people seem to believe that. The White Nationalists see us as enemies of white people and their opposites see us as the whitest of white capitalist colonialist imperialists. Getting stuck between two idiot armies is not fun.

    • Israelis were going to build Trump’s security wall

      Well, I doubt we’d say no if offered (see Bibi’s bone-headed tweet from yesterday, because what we clearly needed was a diplomatic crisis with Mexico). But dear lord, it would be even dumber than usual for Trump to give those jobs and that money to foreign contractors.

    • efgoldman

      which is laughable but people seem to believe that.

      Some people believe in unicorns, leprechauns, invisible sky buddies, and Jade Helm, too.

  • pianomover

    Well apparently the Civil War wasn’t about slavery either.

    • Warren Terra

      As you’re more than likely aware, the latest game of Nazi trolls is to claim that discussion of slavery in America focuses too much on the Black victims, 1) because there were Irish indentured laborers at some point in our colonial history, or 2) because at some point in some Southern state there were more Black than White slaveowners (which even if true ignores both free Blacks forced by local laws to buy and “own” their own families and the huge disparity in the number of slaves held by Black and White owners).

      • MacK

        There is at least a little evidence that in places like Louisiana, etc. indentured labourers (not skilled) were treated worse than slaves and used for much more dangerous tasks, but for economic reasons – they represented less capital and, as their period of indenture was limited, a wasting asset. The were killed in job-lots digging canals by all accounts.

        • Origami Isopod

          The brutal treatment of indentured laborers can and should be addressed without derailing the focus on African chattel slavery, which was a great deal more harmful overall.

  • tofubo

    In retrospect, I can see an argument that the white nationalism of the Republican candidate for president was a more important issue than email server management.

    i’d have to think that one thru, her emails vs. this past week alone ??


    • D. C. Sessions

      You can see how some people are so biased against the White Working Class that they will go to any lengths to find something to support their irrational objections to Trump.

  • As I said on twitter this morning, if you want to talk about how the Holocaust wasn’t just about Jews, that’s fine. But you have to do it by acknowledging all the other groups targeted by the Nazis for extermination: Romani, homosexuals, transgender people, the disabled, probably some other groups I’m forgetting.

    The problem, of course, is that Bannon and his Hitler Youth fellow travelers hate and want to exterminate all these people just as much as they hate Jews. So instead we pretend that the Holocaust is something that happened to nice white Christians.

    • Nobdy

      Come now. This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let’s not bicker and argue about who gassed whom and stuffed whom into ovens.

      The point is that some people died in Europe in the war, both sides do it, and frankly instead of worrying about who exterminated whom then let’s talk about who we can exterminate TODAY.

    • It’s not just that. As *I* said on Twitter earlier today :), the language in the statement removes agency from the perpetrators, suggests they are equally victims of some terribly “tragic” event (in the correct sense of the word), and carefully avoids *not* suggesting the victims had no responsibility for “what happened.” None of the WH personnel’s statements even comes out and says what *everyone knows* the Holocaust really was.

      • DocAmazing

        see also Bitburg, Reagan’s trip to

        • I noticed this kind of rhetoric a lot more after the GWOT started.

          • DocAmazing

            Well, we can’t have people making our drone operators feel put-upon…

    • MacK

      The thing is,I’d like more attention drawn to the Holocaust’s targeting of gypsies – because, to this day, they are treated badly across Central Europe. No one knows what proportion died, it may have been around 1/4 to 1/2.

      That said,you are right about Banon & Co. – they hate the Holocausts other victims too.

      • Origami Isopod

        Roma, yes, but also there needs to be more attention to Hitler’s disabled and LGBT victims. These are two groups who always suffer under fascism.

        • DocAmazing

          Mildly OT: There’s a movement afoot in medicine to eliminate eponyms for diseases and syndromes (e.g., Down syndrome, Lou Gehrig’s disease). In part, this is because the name of a discoverer or a famous patient gives no information regarding the causes or characteristics of a condition. The largest reason, though, is because of the number of Nazi physicians whose names are immortalized in medical textbooks and hospital records. In the late middle thirties, the Nazis began putting “useless eaters” into hospitals and care facilities where they were killed. (“Euthanized” is the euphemism often employed.) One of the largest of these was in Vienna (http://ahrp.org/viennese-child-victims-of-nazi-experiment/), where researchers now had access to the cadavers of numerous kids with various syndromes. These diligent men of science (and genocide) published their findings without making too much of where their subjects were found, and many syndromes and congenital variations from the norm are to this day known by German names (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_eponyms_with_Nazi_associations).

          • Origami Isopod

            Thanks for the links. I do know that at least a decade ago, there was a push to remove the genitive ‘s from the ends of the eponyms; e.g., Crohn disease, not Crohn’s disease. I hadn’t known there was a push to eliminate all eponyms.

            From the Wikipedia article, it looks like there is not complete consensus on this. Some medical professionals want to keep the Nazi-related eponyms “as a means of conveying immortal dishonor.” I’m not sure how this would work, though, if most people (and I’m sure that includes many physicians) are unaware of the connections. I knew, for example, who Hans Asperger was, kind of, but I hadn’t been aware that he was a Nazi.

            I’m none too surprised that including the information in his WP bio is controversial. Wikipedia has a lot of far-right assholes among its editors.

            • Redwood Rhiadra

              Huh. I have Crohn’s, and I don’t know anyone who ever called it “Crohn disease.” Certainly none of my doctors ever did.

              • Warren Terra

                I remember the movement to remove possessives from disease names, perhaps 20 years ago, and as I recall it formally prevailed at whatever entity determines disease nomenclature, but was otherwise not widely popular.

      • efgoldman

        That said,you are right about Banon & Co

        Instead of trying to parse their bullshit, let’s just say they’re a bunch of fucking racist, anti-semitic pricks who hate every fucking body.

      • N__B

        There was a simple and meaningful way to do so: dedicate the day of remembrance to those specifically targeted by the Nazi regime. That’s the short version, and the tl;dr version could say Jews, Roma, LGBT, disabled.

        • Chieroscuro

          Yeah, my grandmother was Bohemian Roma, and it was always interesting to me that Holocaust discussions never seemed to include the actually successful elimination of her language and culture.

          These days I’m just glad that aside from being Canadian, I can pass for white most everywhere.

          • Origami Isopod

            It’s shameful to me as an American Jew that there is not more focus on other victims. As N__B says, it is entirely possible to acknowledge them without minimizing the horror perpetrated on Jews. The refusal of some Jewish leaders to acknowledge gentile LGBT victims is disgraceful, but homophobia is a thing. Their refusal to acknowledge gentile disabled or Roma ones is beyond disgraceful.

            • DocAmazing

              Sad to say, “Never Again” got co-opted early as a rallying cry for taking land that Palestinians lived on.

    • probably some other groups I’m forgetting.

      Communists, trade unionists.

      • Thom

        Sympathizers with any of the above

      • DocAmazing


      • rhino

        Decent human beings with a grasp on morality.

  • Nobdy

    In retrospect, I can see an argument that the white nationalism of the Republican candidate for president was a more important issue than email server management.

    When you’ve lost Scott “The I.T. Pundit” Lemieux on the email issue you’re really in trouble…

    Now that actual fascism is here (they are detaining people at the border based on national origin and in some cases apparently ignoring court orders, so I don’t think it’s hyperbole anymore) has anyone seen any mea culpas from the Hillary email crowd? I have not. A couple scattered “theya culpas” and some “wea culpas” from the press, but it seems like most reporters are content to just shrug and report on the fascism as it happens rather than thinking back to when a bunch of people were screaming about it and they were happily running 3 front page stories on emails.

    Maybe press historians (if they are permitted to exist in the future) will note it and when Liz Spayd gets her award from some press association for 40 years of fearlessly telling truth to power some people will murmur “Well actually…” and then be told to shut up and not bring up such ugliness on her special day.

    • howard

      I continued my unrequited correspondence with [email protected] just yesterday by saying “on this day of national shame, I bet you are ever so proud of the column inches you devoted to Clinton email, and I’m ever so pleased that the same national news desk personnel are still on the job.”

      • scott_theotherone

        I’ve said variations on this before, but for the love of god and/or country and/or sanity and/or mike and/or pete, somebody needs to do a thorough in-depth examination of just why the New York Times hates the Clintons so goddamn much. I know, “he came in here and he trashed the place,” and all that—although I believe that was the WaPo—but that was 25 damn years ago. What is this hate boner they have for the Clintons? Can the Columbia School of Journalism devote a graduate level course to it or something? Because it was annoying for a long time. But it turns out their hatred for the Clintons may truly have changed the course of history and very much for the worse.

        • Davis X. Machina

          WaPo got Nixon. That was supposed to be the Times’ job — the Pulitzer, the movie, etc… After sticking their necks out on the Pentagon papers, too.

          Reagan was an icon — ungettable. Bush 1 was a cipher.

          Clinton was next up, of the other party (balance!) and available. So Clinton it was.. “See, we’re the greatest! We brought down the President, too!”

          • Hogan

            And they had the Scaife Arkansas Project feeding them juicy stories that were just too good to check out before running on the front page.

        • Origami Isopod

          Aside from the professional jealousy toward the WaPo? The NYT has always hated the Clintons because, along with the Village, they regard the Clintons as lower-class upstarts getting above their stations in life, especially Bill.

        • Taylor

          I will always remember Dean Baquet rebutting Trump’s charge after the election that they had been biased against him, by boasting – BOASTING – that they went after Clinton on the emails. And proudly saying that if both left and right were pissed at them, that showed that they were in the right.

          We need to seriously consider the possibility that these people are just profoundly stupid.

      • Mike G

        Have they devoted any space to the makes-me-want-to-punch-a-wall fact that Trump’s advisors are doing the exact some thing they were screaming about for months when it was Hillary — using an external email server?

        And that a survey of Trump voters indicate a majority think this practice is just peachy?

  • e.a.foster

    its simply another version of the facts. You know alt facts. so it begins in America just like it did in Nazi Germany. Don’t mention the Jews……..it will remind people of how similar the actions of Hitler and the Nazis are to those of Steve Bannon, Trump, and their supporters.

    they will turn their “guns” on any one and everyone not in agreement with them. There have been cases of “bad behaviour” where it was aimed at everyone therefore the “bad behaviour” wasn’t discriminatory. Just wait for Trump’s new Supreme Court Justice to use this argument.

    People might want to remember Hitler started his routine back in 1933. The Americans didn’t get into the war until close to the end, so perhaps they don’t know all the “legislation” Hitler and his crew brought to society. steve bannon is about the same as the Hitler gang. That picture at the top of the page, you can’t wash that man enough to get rid of the dirt.

    • Breadbaker

      You’re mixing up your history a bit. Hitler didn’t get all war-ry until 1939. In 1933, FDR was just taking office, too, in the midst of the Great Depression, and the US was not in a position to take any steps against Germany (and other than 1917-19, had no tradition of having interfered in European affairs at all, and by 1933, World War I was sort of like Vietnam became, a “never again” moment).

      Which doesn’t excuse the St. Louis Affair, but that was later.

  • Mutombo

    The full press release was:

    The White House
    Office of the Press Secretary
    For Immediate Release
    January 27, 2017
    Statement by the President on International Holocaust Remembrance Day

    “It is with a heavy heart and somber mind that we remember and honor the victims, survivors, heroes of the Holocaust. It is impossible to fully fathom the depravity and horror inflicted on innocent people by Nazi terror.

    “Yet, we know that in the darkest hours of humanity, light shines the brightest.‎ As we remember those who died, we are deeply grateful to those who risked their lives to save the innocent.

    “In the name of the perished, I pledge to do everything in my power throughout my Presidency, and my life, to ensure that the forces of evil never again defeat the powers of good. Together, we will make love and tolerance prevalent throughout the world.”

    I don’t get the outrage. It’s a three paragraph press release that mentions the Holocaust, the Nazis, and pledges to “make love and tolerance prevalent throughout the world.”

    Trump is actually doing things with government policy that are nightmare fuel. Complaining about this is just picking nits.

    • Origami Isopod

      Try reading the thread. You might find your answer.

    • Nick056

      lol no. This is anti-semetism from the pen of a known anti-Semite.

    • Hogan

      How can I contact you directly when I need to know what I should care about?

    • Fuck off.

      • Mutombo

        Thanks for the kind words. Best of luck in your future endeavors.

        • Maybe next time don’t dismiss an intentional trivialisation of the systematic extermination of six million people as “picking nits” if you don’t want to be told to fuck off. I gave you exactly as much consideration as you deserved.

        • Origami Isopod

          I find it interesting that CL’s was the comment you chose to respond to.

          • I find it 100% unsurprising. Indeed, my suspicions that that would be the case were part of the reason I made it.

            • Origami Isopod

              Well, yes, I was being a bit dry there.

              We seem to have gotten quite a few very very very concerned new people in here over the last week, haven’t we?

              • (((Malaclypse)))

                To be Scrupulously Fair, King Goat has been concerned about the feelings of white dudes for a while now.

                • As have a few of our other posters. The number of new Very Concerned People is certainly remarkable, though.

    • daves09

      maybe you should get outraged about the love and tolerance part considering what the Trumpistas actually are. or perhaps you’re pretty sure that you will not be the victim of that love and tolerance.

  • Amadan

    Der Sturmbannonführer

  • Nick056

    When this is over, the Trumpers should be made to take loyalty oaths.

  • osceola

    I have yet to see a photo of Bannon where he doesn’t look like boozer who just woke up on his couch ten minutes ago.

    • Ronan

      Yeah, he looks like he has a serious penchant for a drink.

    • Dalai Rasta

      If it weren’t disrespectful to the memory of Kenneth McMillan, I would love to commission someone to write a script that replaced all photos of Bannon with screenshots of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen.

      • Wouldn’t this also be disrespectful to the Baron? It’s been over a decade since I read the Dune books but Bannon honestly comes across as more villainous in some ways.

  • Mutombo

    I still don’t get it. I can’t imagine the kind of person who would be interested in a presidential press release about International Holocaust Remembrance Day and not connect the Holocaust to Jewish victims. It’s like not connecting slavery in the US with African-Americans or not connecting the Trail of Tears with the Cherokee.

    • ExpatJK

      This is not hard to understand. In fact I always find Holocaust deniers somewhat morbidly amusing for this reason. Their line is basically “It never happened/those Jews are always liars, but it’s an awesome idea and it totally should happen.”

      And as others have pointed out, it has been delightfully received in such quarters, with neo-Nazis celebrating about how Jews are all mad because our “science fiction” about the Holocaust is no longer accepted.

    • Warren Terra

      The funny thing about this comment is that Nazi historical revisionists absolutely talk about how slavery wasn’t that bad, assert there’s too much focus on the Black victims of slavery to the exclusion of others, and assign blame for slavery to Black malefactors (slavers and slave traders in Africa and Blacks in America who owned slaves, including petty farmers who “owned” their own families).

      I don’t know what rhetorical nonsense the Nazis have cooked up to demean and diminish the suffering of the Cherokee, but I’d bet they have something.

      • Mutombo

        I guess I don’t pay enough attention to white supremacist revisionist history theories to know the back story. There aren’t a lot of white supremacists in northern New Mexico and we like it that way.

        • Hogan

          Lucky you.

        • (((Malaclypse)))

          I guess I don’t pay enough attention to white supremacist revisionist history theories to know the back story.

          Then you should, perhaps, just perhaps, shut the fuck up and listen.

        • Warren Terra

          There aren’t a lot of white supremacists in northern New Mexico

          You might be surprised. And the ones that are there, are likely dedicated readers of Breitbart and think a lot like Bannon and Miller – Trump’s two closest advisors, who can clearly be demonstrated to be the most powerful people in the White House.

          More generally: you may have noticed the title of this blog post is “All Lives Matter”. Saying that all lives matter is, in the absence of context, a beautiful and kind sentiment. But, if you haven’t been living in a cave for the last few years you’ll know that “All Lives Matter” is used as a rhetorical device to attribute racism to the Black Lives Matter movement, to disparage them and demean their concern for Black people being beaten or killed by unaccountable state actors, with neither due process nor meaningful legal recourse.

          Context matters!

        • Gator90

          Are there a lot of Jews in northern New Mexico? If not, do you like it that way?

          • Mutombo

            It’s a pretty small minority, but there are enough to support a few synagogues and Jewish groups in the bigger cities. Religion in general is not really my thing, but I don’t prefer people of one religion over another.

    • DrDick

      I can’t imagine the kind of person who would be interested in a presidential press release about International Holocaust Remembrance Day

      Somebody who is aware that there is a white supremacist in the White House and objects to it?

      • Mutombo

        …and not connect the Holocaust to Jewish victims?

        • The decision to elide Jewish victims from the WH’s Holocaust Remembrance Day statement was done deliberately. This has been officially confirmed, and the groups for whom the dog whistle was intended have heard it loud and clear. This is directly addressed elsewhere in this entry’s comments. You could read what Jews and our allies have been saying here about this, or you could keep being a concern troll. It’s your choice.

          • Mutombo

            You’re right about the Trump administration’s explanation and the reactions of the Jewish groups and our allies. I’ll take your word for it on the dog whistle because I’m not checking with the white supremacists.

            Mea culpa.

        • Oh, I get it. You’re blaming readers either for not being charitable enough to the WH and their intentions, or for being antisemite enough in their hearts not to see the true meaning of the text.

          Way to be an idiot!

          • It’s awfully charming, isn’t it, how many new posters have shown up to provide apologetics for anti-Semites?

            • If I paid too much attention to the odd comings-and-goings of nyms and trolls, here or anyplace else on the Internet, I’d decide it was much better to stay far away.

  • egg

    Death by Denominator. Increase the denominator and then it’s just a small problem for “those people” Favorite trick of the right and all liars.

  • RPorrofatto

    When did Holocaust=shoah transform into Holocaust=anybody killed by Germany in World War II?

    • Jan 20, 2017

      • I still want to know where all the promised time-travellers who were supposed to prevent the whole thing from happening were.

    • DrDick

      In fairness, the Jews were not the only group targeted for genocide by the Nazis, though they were by far the majority of victims. The latter fact makes it rather problematic to not mention them at all.

      • Pedantic correction: We were by far a plurality of victims, but overall we were about six million of about eleven million, which I think keeps us from being “by far the majority” (though we were still the majority). If you include people killed as a result of Nazi war crimes as victims of the Holocaust, we might not even be a majority at all, because some estimates would put that at around seventeen or eighteen million or so. That isn’t usually done, though, and if you’re just talking about the gas chambers, the figure is about eleven million.

        • ExpatJK

          That isn’t usually done, though, and if you’re just talking about the gas chambers, the figure is about eleven million

          Weren’t a significant % of the Eastern European Jewish victims killed in mass shooting actions, rather than gas chambers? There were some camps further east which were entirely extermination facilities, but I think for some countries such as Belarus, Ukraine, and maybe Lithuania, they shot them. Iirc, didn’t they eventually switch to gas because some SS members struggled with the direct shooting approach?

          • SIS1

            The first stage of the mass extermination campaign was carried out by the Einsatzgruppen, which followed the German Army into the USSR during operation Barbarossa, so yes, a large number of Jews living in the western portion of the USSR were shot to death, including with help from local collaborators. The “inefficiency” of this campaign is what led the Nazi’s to consider other means of mass murder, leading to the decision to create the extermination camps and the use of chemical weapons as the main method for killing.

          • rewenzo

            Yes. I believe Timothy Snyder has argued that in fact, at least half of the Jews murdered in the Holocaust were shot.

        • SIS1

          I don’t think there is much good evidence of a very varied population at the extermination camps. Most Soviet prisoners killed by the Nazis (probably the second largest group of victims) died from being worked to death, or starvation and exposure. In terms of Poles and civilians in the USSR, the Nazis generally did not gather the local populations up or ship them far to extermination camps – again, slave labor and starvation/exposure being responsible for most of the deaths.

      • RPorrofatto

        In fairness, the Jews were not the only group targeted for genocide by the Nazis
        That may be, and it’s certainly the excuse the Trumpists are using. But I was always under the impression that the proper noun “Holocaust” from the beginning specifically referred to shoah, and was not a blanket term for “genocidal targets of Nazis.” So International Holocaust Remembrance Day, like the Holocaust Museum, is specifically about the systematic murder of 6 million Jews. But I could be wrong. Even the linked article says: Many thought it was odd that Donald Trump declined to honor Jews specifically, who, history shows, were the most persecuted group during the Holocaust as if the Jews were simply the most persecuted group of this thing called Holocaust which means something else now. Maybe I just missed the evolution of the term into this new meaning, which is why I asked the question.

        • Per Wikipedia, “Holocaust” is sometimes used to refer specifically to the genocide of Jews, and sometimes to all the people killed in the gas chambers. This has been my experience as well; the usage hasn’t been entirely consistent. “Shoah”, by contrast, almost always refers specifically to the Jewish genocide. (It’s also worth noting that some Jews prefer the term “Shoah” to the term “Holocaust”, though I’m personally agnostic as to which is more appropriate. “Shoah” is more specific, though.)

          • rewenzo

            Per Wikipedia, “Holocaust” is sometimes used to refer specifically to the genocide of Jews, and sometimes to all the people killed in the gas chambers.

            I would just quibble with the implication that the Holocaust is limited to those murdered in the gas chambers. Half of the Jews killed in the Holocaust were shot, and many more died of exposure, disease, exhaustion, and starvation. More than half of the Jews who died in the Holocaust never saw the inside of a concentration camp or extermination camp. The Nazis would just roll up to your village, round you up, drive you off to the forest, stand you in front of a pit, and shoot you.

          • DrDick

            That is certainly my understanding. The “Holocaust” can refer either to all the victims of genocide (groups expressly targeted, like the Rom and gays) or specifically to the Jews, while Shoah only applies to the Jews.

        • Ithaqua
      • ExpatJK

        Yes, basically akin to discussing the history of white supremacy in the US without mentioning African-Americans. Other groups suffered as well, but the anti-Black aspect is undeniable and very prominent.

        • To be fair, American Indians probably suffered comparably to African-Americans (smallpox blankets, Trail of Tears, etc. – the American government’s treatment of American Indians could be characterised as outright genocidal), whereas Jews were by far the most prominent victims of the Holocaust. But your broader point is correct; a discussion of white supremacy in this country would need to include discussion of African-Americans or American Indians to be even remotely complete.

          • DrDick

            Speaking as an expert of the topic, Native people probably suffered far more, though much of that was not deliberate (epidemic diseases). There is no actual evidence for the smallpox blankets nonsense, other than one incident at Fort Orange (Albany, NY) in the 1600s, when the Dutch appear to have done so to the Mohegans. While there are numerous genocidal incidents (the Pequot War, the Powhatan War, the Fox War, the Natchez War, the Yamasee War, Gold Rush California, etc.), It was never really official policy. It is worth noting that Native Americans were also enslaved in large numbers early in the colonial period, but their lack of resistance to the epidemics which plagued the colonies and their ability to run away to home led to the switch to African slaves. Indian slavery (and slaving) continued in the British colonies into the early 18th century, but most Indian slaves were shipped to Jamaica and traded for African slaves.

        • DrDick

          Exactly. The Klan also targeted Jews and Catholics.

  • Karen24

    No one has commented on this, but these two sentences — “Yet, we know that in the darkest hours of humanity, light shines the brightest.‎ As we remember those who died, we are deeply grateful to those who risked their lives to save the innocent. In the name of the perished, I pledge to do everything in my power throughout my Presidency, and my life, to ensure that the forces of evil never again defeat the powers of good” — use the language of the antiabortion movement. Friday, the day this was issued, was also the March for (Only The Kind of)Life(We Care About, Namely White Men), and Pence spoke to the crowd, and while Pence didn’t say anything using exactly those words, lots of anti-abortion speakers refer to “saving the innocent” and compare abortion to the Holocaust. So, in addition to the offensiveness of failing to mention any actual victims of Nazi terror, the statement was a dog whistle to the anti-abortion movement.

    • Oof. I didn’t even notice that; thanks for pointing it out. It’s particularly pernicious since Judaism, overall, tends to be supportive of abortion rights. Just another sign that when people talk about “Judeo-Christian values”, they usually don’t mean the “Judeo-” part.

      • DocAmazing

        It’s there, in a Punch-and-Judeo sense.

      • ΧΤΠΔ

        I recall reading that Hitler said something to the effect that he targeted the Jews in part because they had a culture of hope & love.

        • Warren Terra

          I have never seen that and very strongly doubt it’s genuine. It sounds like the sort of thing Christian Millenialists say about themselves as they spin fantasies about their persecution at the hand of the Antichrist.

          • ΧΤΠΔ

            Fair enough; I don’t remember the source.

      • ExpatJK

        It’s particularly pernicious since Judaism, overall, tends to be supportive of abortion rights

        Afaik, under Jewish law a foetus is considered to be an extension of its mother until birth. I don’t think abortion has ever been much of a religious debate within Judaism.

        And yes, “Judeo-Christian values” is basically a joke term in my mind. The “Judeo” part generally refers to “Jews for Jesus.”

        • Warren Terra

          Yeah, “Judeo-Christian” is pretty much only used by Christians and the occasional Jew sucking up to Christians, as protective coloration to give a false impression of pluralism and broadmindedness. Or, on the other side, by people rejecting Christianity’s influence and trying to appear erudite. As a term, it’s an perpetuation of the deeply offensive notion that Christianity is the successor and supplantor to Judaism, that Jews are just people who’ve failed so far to wise up and become Christian.

          You’ll note you never hear of “Christeo-Mormon”, and almost never of “Christeo-Muslim” ideologies.

    • What is just . . . dumb . . . is that these people think they can do propaganda for years, push and push to make sure no one mistakes the religious language they use for the nonhateful kind of religion, and still the only people who hear their dogwhistles will be their “base.”

    • Bruce B.

      Good catch, Karen24.

  • upstate_cyclist

    While the Times splash a big “Walkback” headline on this story, I keep seeing posts describing either stasis or escalation
    – Where are people continuing to be detained or deported from despite court orders?
    – The piece from CNN about screening everyone’s communications.
    – Are American’s with dual citizenship really exempt?

  • Would like to point out that the issue here is the admin’s white nationalism. If you are not a white Christian male and you have been unfortunate enough to have spent time in an environment with white racist wingnuts (and fortunate enough to have spent time in places that are not), you can probably see the effect this has on people from other groups. There are selected (usually) men who get favored, depending on the whims of the people in charge. Maybe here a not-too-dark Muslim, or there a person of Jewish descent. Others, notably black people (who are likely to be not American), but women and anyone not part of the favored group of the day, are treated a bit differently. These are not the kind of people I trust to do anything except make others’ lives miserable. Lucky us they get to make LOTS of people’s lives miserable for at least 4 years.

  • LosGatosCA

    A little late to this but there’s a typo in the title


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