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A new phase in Team Tangerine Nightmare’s scampaign. Now with Judge Sturman responds update!

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Suing states that allowed people who aren’t white to vote.

The Donald Trump campaign filed a lawsuit Monday against election officials in Clark County, Nevada, which includes Las Vegas, CNN reported.

The Trump campaign is suing Joe P. Gloria, the Clark County registrar of voters, claiming that he kept polling locations open for “two hours beyond the designated closing time,” according to CNN.

Early voting surged in the Las Vegas, particularly in locations in Latino communities, like a Hispanic grocery store where voters waited in lines for hours, according to reports.

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The complaint includes an account by a poll watcher named Ronald Ketcham who said he observed at around 5:00 p.m. at the Cardenas market site, the lead elections worker there tell the Democratic observer that the polling place would be open for an additional 2 hours after 8.00 p.m. The elections worker also told Ketcham that voters who showed up to other sites after 8:00 were being told to come to Cardenas, according to the complaint. Ketcham said he saw 150-200 voters, if not more jump in the Cardenas line after 8:00 p.m.

Sure. Yes. Completely convincing. I can’t wait to hear about the 5,000 Caddy-driving African-American women who showed up at the polls in Largo, Md. at midnight. Please give all you have left to Trump so he can pursue Justice!

Thanks to a number of people for the heads up and whoever coined the term scampaign.

Update: And thanks to twbb for this clip of Judge Gloria Sturman replying to Team Trump’s request to release the names of poll workers in Nevada.

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  • Paul Campos

    This would seem to answer any lingering question about just how statesman-like Trump’s non-concession speech is likely to be.

  • twbb

    Apparently, the judge was…not persuaded by the GOP’s request to make the poll worker’s identities public, despite assuring her they would not be the target of harassment.

    https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/796076676480434176

    (h/t whatnext at jdunderground.com)

    • efgoldman

      Apparently, the judge was…not persuaded

      Per some comments on the previous thread, the judge was alternating between laughing them out of court being really pissed off.

      • Dr. Ronnie James, DO

        Per TPM, Trump apparently hired construction/ real estate-type lawyers to handle this matter, which…
        1) the words “a lawyer’s a lawyer, right?” crossed the mind/ lips of someone likely to be high up in the putative Trump White House.
        2) no worthy firm would take the case
        3) these firms do other business with Trump and need to keep the relationship warm
        4) I hope they asked for half up front

        • DW

          Why would you not have already identified a local firm with relevant expertise months ago?

          Oh, wait. Trump.

  • brad

    O’Keefe tweeted that he’s following a church van around Philly.
    He seems aware of the potential to be arrested for voter intimidation, but is dicking ahead anyway.

    • twbb

      Fortunately, O’Keefe is about as intimidating as a toy poodle wearing a cardigan.

    • PotemkinMetropolitanRegion

      Christ, that something as kind and thoughtful and civically-positive as a church van hauling voters around has to put up with this gibbering fool is deeply offensive.

      • science_goy

        The fact that the GOP considers him one of their most brilliant young activists is actually quite comforting, in a way.

        • It does comfortingly point to high levels of incompetence everywhere in the GOP’s stable of activists.

      • twbb

        I think we should just be quiet and let him waste the day following the van around. Better than filming voters and then creating lying videos about them.

      • Captain Oblivious

        I bet it’s a black church.

        • los

          no its a van11! or a buss11!!
          its ellegull11!
          yu have to voat in feet in bredbaggs or its voater frud11!!

           
          yull bee sory yu made america again not voat donnell trump!
          Ernst T. Blogger

        • twbb

          Obviously it’s going to be white southern Baptist NRA members.

        • Captain Oblivious

          I was right. Black pastor driving it, according to Raw Story.

    • Ahenobarbus
    • vic rattlehead

      About how long do you think he’d survive if he got arrested and locked up overnight? I’m not wishing violence on him, just observing that he’s playing with fire there.

      • BigHank53

        Something tells me that past experience with the legal system has made young Master O’Keefe quite aware of what the limits are. Following a church bus around is skeezy but legal. Attempting to intimidate actual voters with a confrontation? Not the sort of thing many judges find amusing, and they’ll cheerfully agree that you should be charged with a misdemeanor per voter in the bus.

      • los

        locked up overnight? I’m not wishing violence on him, just observing that he’s playing with fire there.

        In some photos, Tweefe’s nose appears to have met hard objects, though I suspect Tweefe’s parent(s) knows the details.

  • Brownian

    I can’t wait to hear about the 5,000 Caddy-driving African-American women who showed up at the polls in Largo, Md. at midnight.

    It has just occurred to me that GOP voter suppression tactics, specifically those that work to shorten polling hours and reduce the number of polling places, work because they are predicated on people of colour being the opposite of the jobless layabouts the GOP characterizes them as.

    Like, one can’t believe that shorter polling times disadvantages one’s opponents unless one acknowledges that they spend more time at work or at multiple jobs than one’s supporters.

    • Little Chak

      Yup.

      “They’re not working…they’re just too lazy to take a half-day.”

    • Like, one can’t believe that shorter polling times disadvantages one’s opponents unless one acknowledges that they spend more time at work or at multiple jobs than one’s supporters.

      Of course one can! They were too lazy to get to the polls on time, or too drunk, or too full of lobsters and T-bones to move…the list goes on and on!!

    • malraux

      Like, one can’t believe that shorter polling times disadvantages one’s opponents unless one acknowledges that they spend more time at work or at multiple jobs than one’s supporters.

      That’s just how lazy they are though. They are so lazy that they do so little work at one job, they have the energy to go on and half-ass an entire other job.

      • so-in-so

        I just love whoever coined “Schrodinger’s Immigrant”, who simultaneously steals your job while lolling about on welfare.

        Same concept.

    • los

      spend more time at work or at multiple jobs than one’s supporters

      The way to win elections is to become a Trump groupie and go to all of the Trump rallies.
      (“don’t forget to buy more Chinese-made MAGA³ glurge”)

      /TrumpUniScholar

  • blackbox

    Watched the brief stream of the court. Here is a summary:

    – Trump campaign predicates suit on the basis of not knowing the law/understanding that early voting “in line when polls close” rules are not the same as election day

    – Trump campaign requests court-ordered preservation of early voting records which by law must be preserved anyway

    – judge points out that court-ordered preservation would make the records public, and refuses to grant it; says Trump campaign is not allowed to decide what should be preserved, and that they “skipped a step” by going to court instead of using administrative recourse

    – Trump lawyers give the whole game away (gaining optics/sound bytes) by essentially saying “well what I think we’ve accomplished is that now we have a record where we know the documents are supposed to be preserved, in case any of them get destroyed”

    – judge tosses them out on their asses

    • NonyNony

      Trump campaign predicates suit on the basis of not knowing the law/understanding that early voting “in line when polls close” rules are not the same as election day

      Is this true? Huh. I figured they’d have the same rules for both types of polling days.

      • Craigo

        There are many, many fewer EV locations than on the day of, so some states relax the rules.

        • NonyNony

          As they should. In fact early voting stations should be open as late as possible to get as many votes in before the final day.

          It’s just that I didn’t expect states to actually work that way.

          • Craigo

            Well, some don’t. *cough* North Carolina *cough*

        • GFW

          I’m sure many (most?) states say if you’re in line when the polling hours are over, you still get to vote, regardless how long it takes. Florida definitely has that because it was on the script for making GOTV calls to FL.

          • Craigo

            Yes, but you have to be in line before the statutory closing time on ED to stay there. In Nevada during EV, you can join the line as long as the polling place is open, even if you show up when it would have been closed statutorily.

            http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/keeping-early-voting-polls-open-past-closing-broke-no-laws-official

            • NonyNony

              And that’s how it should be, provided they are able to keep the polls open. Hell that’s how I personally think it should work on election day – keep the polls open until there’s nobody at all in line anymore, even if you have to hold them open until 1am. Every vote is supposed to count, right?

              • Craigo

                I agree. And Election Day should be a holiday.

                • blackbox

                  Amen.

          • los

            Voting “late” on EV day is still voting early relative to election day, so meets definition of early voting. The “fraud” is difficult to claim.

            A few trumpsters wondered if longer hours at that NV EV demonstrated tilting (rigging) the system, but that suspicion opens the “counter observation” that an EV with long lines demonstrates tilted (rigged) system.

            • los

              I saw a few trumpsters tweet akin to, “Polls close while they’re in line. So what? Just go back the next day. What me worry?”

              “You people must not really really want to vote, if you won’t stand in leg-irons in line, withstanding constant flogging! (This looks so fun. I wanna do it!)”
              /joke, I hope.

    • Tyto

      – judge points out that court-ordered preservation would make the records public, and refuses to grant it; says Trump campaign is not allowed to decide what should be preserved, and that they “skipped a step” by going to court instead of using administrative recourse

      That last clause seems to illustrate some really crappy lawyering. Exhausting administrative remedies is usually jurisdictional: the court literally could not act on their demand. Consequently, they really did not even achieve their stated purpose of building a “record.” That’s what’s supposed to happen at the administrative level.

      • lunaticllama

        Apparently, Trump hired some construction insurance defense lawyers (with some other experience in basic civil litigation) for this. Not lawyers with experience in election law…

    • Think the attorneys got paid up front for that? Because there’s no way Trump is paying them after the fact…

      • los

        oops. Trump will send BB&R a framed letter of recommendation, “Trump Tower Grill Boffo, Boffo & Roscoe, Attorneys at Law, LLC litigates the best toilet bowls. Bank on it.”

    • Just_Dropping_By

      judge points out that court-ordered preservation would make the records public

      Either you misheard something here or Nevada works differently than any other jurisdiction I’m familiar with, because I’ve seen courts order preservation of all sorts of records and nobody ever claimed that automatically made them public.

      • Platypus Prime

        The judge was referring to the poll workers, not the voters. She specifically mentioned Twitter, trolls and harassment, then stated she was not going to release anybody’s information.

        • los

          judge was referring to the poll workers

          The “unreasonableness” of Trump’s request might “sink in” if somebody asked the court to order Trump campaign to release personal info of all campaign employees and volunteers…

  • Epsilon

    This was my first general election voting in my new neighborhood. I’m white in a 90%+ African-American precinct.

    There were only three voting machines present (there were five for the Primary) and one of them was broken. Nobody bothered to tell anyone that they might want to consider a paper ballot because the lines for the touchscreens were insanely long (maybe there’s some reason why they’re instructed not to do it, but maybe it’s just because they want lines to be as long as possible in heavily African-American precincts.)

    It’s not like I didn’t know this kind of voter suppression was happening, but there’s something about seeing it live and in person, alongside a bunch of really pissed off people who know exactly why it’s happening, was eye-opening, to say the least.

    • blackbox

      I hope you took some cell phone video. Millennial outrage on Twitter isn’t political change, but it’s a start.

      • That’s illegal in some states. And thanks to the GOP urging its followers to Do Something about all of the “voter fraud,” I don’t imagine Epsilon’s fellow voters would have been pleased if they had started recording.

        • blackbox

          Ballot booth selfies are illegal in some states (including mine), definitely wouldn’t recommend recording the voting area in general. But recording a long line of people and narrating “there are only two working voting machines” is definitely legal. Lots of Twitter videos for long lines already.

          • Craigo

            Your mileage may vary on legal martyrdom, but ballot selfie laws are almost certainly unconstitutional. They’ve been struck down in Indiana, Michigan, and New Hampshire, and I’m aware of zero cases where they’ve won at the trial level.

            • Tyto

              This. A photo of a completed ballot is almost quintessentially political speech.

            • blackbox

              Agreed for sure, but I will warn that the Michigan decision was actually overturned (meaning it’s illegal). There was a sign warning us about it at my polling place this morning.

              • Craigo

                I see – the circuit court panel actually stayed the injunction, they didn’t overturn it. The full circuit will probably strike it down after the election, for all the good that does. Very odd reasoning.

                Add Colorado to my list above.

    • mpavilion

      What state do you live in?

      • Epsilon

        Missouri. Suburban St. Louis, to be more precise. Not exactly in Ferguson but not too far from it, actually.

    • synykyl

      Contrast that with my own experience. I live in Northern NJ in a small suburban town. In the 20+ years I have been voting here, I have NEVER had to wait more than 10 minutes to vote.

      The discrepancy in our voting experiences is a national disgrace.

      • blackbox

        I was fully prepared to give a similar report today (I live in a small Detroit suburb and my polling place is a couple blocks away), but there was actually a long line and I heard more than one staffer saying how shocked they were to have hundreds of people in line before 9/10 AM.

        Not trying to take away from the obvious horrible voter suppression discrepancy, but offering a positive turnout outlook.

        • petesh

          I never had to wait before, at my friendly California senior center polling place, but there was actually a short line, so we were offered the option of manually filling in the paper ballot. Totally easy, but I sure hope turnout is up, way up.

          • efgoldman

            I never had to wait before

            My kid, who lives in Arlington, VA (which, despite the way it seems, is a county, not a municipality) says that participation by 130 this afternoon (including absentees) was 70%.
            That’s remarkable by any standard, especially because so many people plan to vote after work.

        • we live in a liberal enclave of a blue city; in a ward that includes a public college. Turnout was HUGE today….

        • Epsilon

          Yeah, that was actually my second thought about the situation as well. It was terrible, but at the same time, these people were absolutely determined to vote and weren’t going to be dissuaded no matter how long the lines were (possibly) engineered to be. It was, in fact, somehow encouraging and mortifying concurrently.

          Missouri’s obviously lost to Clinton, but maybe this kind of determination will give Kander a real shot to unseat that odious shitheel Blunt.

      • scott_theotherone

        No line at my polling place in SoCal, as has been the case for 10 years now. But the poll worker said today was the busiest he’d ever seen—when they opened, there were 42 people in line.

      • los

        Voting location moves often, but the biggest location has had one at most person ahead of me at the workers’ table. Always plenty of open stations, but I vote just before closing, when most other voters are glued to the “games” on tv…

    • Just_Dropping_By

      maybe it’s just because they want lines to be as long as possible in heavily African-American precincts

      So does your state not have partisan election judges or do you think the Democratic election judges at your polling place were all bribed or intimidated into silence?

      • Breadbaker

        Do election judges, or Secretary of State functionaries, make the decision about how many machines to put in a polling place? I’m guessing the latter.

      • Craigo

        Poll workers don’t decide resource allocation. In NJ it’s the Dept of State, headed by Christie’s Lt Gov.

  • TheDeadlyShoe

    The live feed of this was AMAZING. 30 minutes at least of the judge pissing all over the Trump lawyer for this pointless waste of time.

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    What if Pynchon had less talent and admired G. Gordon Liddy? That’s the thrill of reading Standish Bell McCoy, “a modern American frontier Jules Verne of the rightwing scene.”

    [thumbnail of cover of Enigma of Loons; cover art appears to be a panda waving the Jolly Roger]

    Let his newest fast-paced espionage blowout take you inside the final desperate, dangerous week of the Trump Campaign.

    Read more…

    Has anyone, in fact, taken them up on that offer? I’m certainly not going to. Though I am somewhat intrigued by the question about Pynchon and Liddy.

    • twbb

      Well, if he’s self-publishing and self-advertising, at least he has a sense of self-deprecation if he’s insulting his own writing abilities in the ad.

    • Linnaeus

      “a modern American frontier Jules Verne of the rightwing scene.”

      What the fuck does this even mean?

      • Sev

        “Journey to the Center of the Derp.”

  • vic rattlehead

    Is there a non-frivolous argument for barring from voting people who are in line at the time polls close? (I’m sure a lawyer can come up with one but one that passes the laugh test for your average person). Seems like that’s way too susceptible to ratfucking Republicans slowing everything down. “Oops, we’d love for you to vote but we’re just so busy. Try again next time!”

    If there’s a long line…that’s a failure on the other end. Poll workers who don’t know what they’re doing, waiting on extra ballots, broken machines. Not the voters’ fault.

    • NonyNony

      If there’s a long line…that’s a failure on the other end. Poll workers who don’t know what they’re doing, waiting on extra ballots, broken machines.

      Biggest problem for long lines – not enough machines. That’s not on the poll workers, that’s intentional.

      But to answer your question – no. I can’t think of a non-frivolous argument that anyone could give for barring people from voting if they’re in line when the polls close.

    • Just_Dropping_By

      Seems like that’s way too susceptible to ratfucking Republicans slowing everything down.

      And why would the Democratic election judges at the polling place roll over and let them do that without raising hell?

      • vic rattlehead

        Sure, they would. Maybe that would help maybe it wouldn’t. But I stand by saying that there’s no nonfrivolous argument for turning away voters who are in line when polls close.

        • so-in-so

          Assuming there are “partisan” election judges, they would have to know about the situation. I doubt they drive around to each polling place to see if they are fully equipped.

  • Yankee

    You will remember that wimpy Romney had teams of lawyers ready to go and do field rectification, but he folded with the pointless justification that “he lost”. A follower of the Great Vladimir would not stoop to such a thing.

    … speaking of whom, it seems he has announced, or leaked, a bombing intensive in Syria. I suppose that’s his way of conceding advancing to Plan B.

  • GHorn

    4chan is currently full of people losing their sit because they didn’t know you had to register in advance.

    That fact is even better than the good whiskey I’m drinking.

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