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In other non-shocking developments, the people who voted for a sexist, xenophobic racist still support the sexist, xenophobic racist they voted for.

Unlike House Speaker Paul Ryan, his Wisconsin constituents still wanted to see Donald Trump.

Supporters of the Republican nominee voiced their support of The Donald at a Saturday campaign event that went off despite Ryan’s decision to disinvite the billionaire candidate.

“We want Trump! We want Trump!” chanted the crowd in Elkhorn, Wis., their ardor unaffected by the Friday release of a video where their candidate spoke about women in the crudest of terms.

Because Ryan is a RINO in the pocket of Big Hillary, Hillary is worse and boys will be boys don’tcherknow.

“Paul Ryan sucks!” chanted Paul Anderson, who drove nearly an hour from Milwaukee to hear Trump speak.

Holding a sign that said “Hillary Clinton is a criminal,” Anderson said he thought Ryan wanted Clinton to win the White House.

“Donald Trump said some naughty words the other day. Oh, no, let’s disinvite him to Elkhorn,” said Anderson, the 28-year-old owner of a gourmet popcorn store. “Hillary Clinton is laughing at Paul Ryan right now. Or laughing with him.”

Sally Luell, 68, called Trump’s remarks “abhorrent” but said she would continue to support Trump because she “can’t stand Hillary.”

“I think Hillary Clinton backing her husband when he was doing what he was doing was worse,” said the retired municipal worker from Muskego.

“It’s mildly vulgar. He shouldn’t have said it. But this is how men talk at times,” said Orville Seymer, 62, of Franklin.

“It’s locker room talk. I’m not excusing it, but he apologized. … We need to focus on what’s important to this country and getting it back on track, and getting some rational, reasonable Supreme Court justices appointed to the bench.”

(It is possible this post is mainly an excuse to put up a P-Funk video. I’ll never tell.)

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  • Warren Terra

    Trump can’t drop out. As many people before me have pointed out, the Trump candidacy is at an advanced stage – scientists believe the candidate can feel pain, and may even be capable of conscious thought – and so the candidacy must be carried to term.

    • (((Hogan)))

      I demand a transvaginal ultrasound.

      • Warren Terra

        They can stick a probe up Trump’s posterior looking for his brain.

        • Yeah. But they’ll never find it.

          • Captain Oblivious

            If has one, it’s a little farther forward.

            • DrDick

              It has been obvious for quite a while that what ever passed as thought for the Donald was done by the little head.

        • jdd_stl

          They might fine Paul Ryan’s brain…

    • cpinva

      “As many people before me have pointed out, the Trump candidacy is at an advanced stage.”

      it’s called “end-stage”, as in end-stage dementia. the point where nothing can really be done, short of (in my wife’s case) a liver/heart/lung/kidney/etc. transplant. absent that, the best you can do is keep the patient comfortable, using however much is necessary of morphine/etc. for the pain. in Trump’s case, there’s no hope really, medical technology hasn’t reached the point of brain transplants just yet.

      • (((Hogan)))

        You’re forgetting the Trumpocratic oath: “First, do harm.”

  • Lurker

    If Trump were to drop off and announce Mike Pence as an instruction for his electors, what would these people do? I think that many leading republicans would be in real danger. A radical sees any deviators of his side as much greater enemies as the opposing side.

    • Captain Oblivious

      As I said on the previous post, I think a lot of them stay home or vote third-party up and down.

      At this point, some may go third-party on the “RINOs” anyway.

    • cpinva

      “A radical sees any deviators of his side as much greater enemies as the opposing side.”

      in other words, radical = moron.

  • Merkwürdigliebe

    said Anderson, the 28-year-old owner of a gourmet popcorn store

    gourmet popcorn store

    No such thing.

    • Peterr

      If his customers — particularly his female customers — hear his words, you might be absolutely right in a short time.

      Or, for that matter, his female employees.

      • cpinva

        “If his customers — particularly his female customers — hear his words, you might be absolutely right in a short time.

        Or, for that matter, his female employees.”

        there are a surprising number of female Trump supporters. why, here’s one now!:

        “Sally Luell, 68, called Trump’s remarks “abhorrent” but said she would continue to support Trump because she “can’t stand Hillary.”

        she might be a tad slow, but she’ll do whatever he asks, like a “good” woman should.

    • Captain Oblivious

      I think “gourmet” means “adding something called ‘flavoring’ to an otherwise flavorless product”.

      • Snarki, child of Loki

        Probably ketchup.

      • it’s Milwaukee, so it’s either beer or deep-frying….

        • Woodrowfan

          why not both?>?

          • tsam

            It’s dangerous to deep fry beer.

            • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

              Voice of experience, or just relating the experience of a friend??

              • tsam

                I don’t want to talk about if.

                • N__B

                  Cmon. You know the video will surface sooner or later, so it’s time to get out in front of the news cycle.

            • Origami Isopod

              Beer batter, deep-fried?

            • MAJeff

              I’m surprised there’s no booth at the Minnesota State Fair.

              • lizzie

                Well, they do have beer flights on a stick.

    • Damned good timing to get into that business this year but I wouldn’t want to give him my custom.

    • Funkhauser

      Franchise. Seen in in-flight magazines.

  • I wish to apologize for my fellow Wisconsinites; but we are, after all, the state that produced Joe McCarthy, Ed Gein AND Jeffrey Dahmer.

    Look, I am SORRY if someone gets offended by my clear implication that Wisconsin Republicans are insane serial killer cannibals, but it would be irresponsible not to speculate….

    • Peterr

      We’ll make you a deal. Send Russ Feingold back to the US Senate and we’ll call it even.

    • RabbitIslandHermit

      C’mon now, that implication’s not fair. Dahmer felt remorse.

      • LosGatosCA

        That was indigestion

      • cpinva

        you mistook a burp for an apology.

    • Harkov311

      In fairness, my home state (Virginia) engaged in armed treason, and then compounded this mistake by voting for segregationist dickweeds for a full century after that.

      I suppose we earned some karma back by voting for LBJ when five other southern states didn’t, voting for Obama twice after that, but that whole “treason to preserve slavery” thing is gonna take an awful lot of good deeds to put us out of the red on the karmic balance sheet.

      • Woodrowfan

        and the only reason Obama won twice was because Arlington, which voted AGAINST secession, voted so heavily for him.

        • Manny Kant

          I’ve no idea how Arlington voted on secession, but in 2012 Obama won Arlington County by 46,745 votes, and the state as a whole by 115,910 votes.

          In 2008, he won the state by 232,317 votes, and Arlington County by 49,118 votes.

          So, um, no?

      • Dilan Esper

        My state elected Reagan and Schwarzenegger governor and gave the nation Richard Nixon.

        • Eureka!!

          • I have heard Eureka described as “where the hippies met the last of the loggers”.

            Having been there, this seems accurate.

        • DrDick

          It also gave the nation the clearest example of state sponsored genocide.

        • Thom

          And as Erik likes to say, “Texas, the only state that committed treason in defense of slavery twice!”

        • twbb

          I would jump into the my-state-has-done-worse-things but it would be too easy a victory for me, considering I live in Florida.

          Amateurs.

    • My state blessed the world with Stevie Ray Vaughan, Beyonce, Ann Richards, Molly Ivins. AND THAT’S IT, THAT’S ALL, NO NEED TO DISCUSS FURTHER (locks thread, throws away key, declares maximum victory)

      • Thom

        I would add a few other singer-songwriters (e.g. James McMurtry). But it still committed treason in defense of slavery twice.

        • skate

          Larry McMurtry, too, but yeah that treason thing leaves a stain.

        • Origami Isopod

          Nanci Griffith, too. And I think Marcia Ball’s a Texan as well?

          Back on a political note, Jim Hightower and Mickey Leland.

      • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

        Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jewboys!

      • Guy Clark, Townes van Zandt, Nanci Griffith, Janis Joplin, Lyle Lovett, Buddy Holly, Willie Nelson, Rodney Crowell, Kris Kristofferson, Waylon Jennings, Billy Joe Shaver, . . .

        • Ask Me Gently

          George Jones!!

        • mpavilion

          Mayo Thompson, Roky Erickson

      • ThrottleJockey

        You forgot Jamie Foxx!

      • Karen24

        Also Buddy Holly, Roy Orbison, Bob Wills, Leadbelly, as well as Barbara Jordan and LBJ.

        • Warren Terra

          I was beginning to think no-one was going to mention Barbara Jordan.

        • Thom

          I am with you on most of these, but Leadbelly was from Mooringsport, LA. I have been many times to the church where he is buried and have met some of the Leadbetters.

        • Thom

          Also, we really need to add Stevie Ray Vaughan.

          • Thom

            Sorry, I see Scott S led off with Stevie Ray.

          • solidcitizen

            And the Doyle Bramhalls.

  • Quick! Someone lock the gate to Milwaukee, so that Anderson asshole can’t get back in!

  • “I think Hillary Clinton backing her husband when he was doing what he was doing was worse,” said the retired municipal worker from Muskego.

    because OF COURSE she was a government employee, but she is not moocher, oh no….

    • CrunchyFrog

      It has long been established that everything wingnuts objected to about the actions of Clinton and Obama they would be completely ok with if the GOP did it. Every single thing. “Whatever will we tell the children?” applied with Clinton’s penis but not with Trump’s descriptions of routine sexual assaults.

    • DrDick

      Apparently she also feels that support is even worse than doing worse than Bill ever did.

    • cpinva

      “because OF COURSE she was a government employee, but she is not moocher, oh no….”

      the complete lack of any sense of self-awareness is the hallmark personality trait of republicans/tea partiers everywhere.

  • Nobdy

    This is predictable. Trump’s constituency knew who he was so they, like us, are not shocked to see him acting in character.

    What confuses me is what has the conservative elite so spooked. They are all heading for the exits. Maybe it’s just, as people say, they see him failing in the polls and see the opportunity to jump ship (which many have wanted the whole time) and maybe they are particularly disgusted by this particular turn of phrase (unclear why) but there’s another theory out there.

    If this is an October 7 surprise, what’s still to come? Hillary is smart and is going to keep at least some powder dry for the end of the war, so this might just be the animals acting spooked before the storm hits. I’ve heard sloshing rumors of Trump having paid for abortions or a Cosby like tidal wave of accusations of assault, but those are just rumors and shouldn’t be given much attention.

    Regardless, it seems very weird to me that the GOP elite are initiating the intraparty war they’ve been trying to avoid all year by endorsing Trump, just one month before the election, and just after a bunch of anti-Trumpers, like Cruz, capitulated.

    I think there may be something out there they feel the need to get out of the way of even more than they need to pacify the base by sticking by the rightfully elected candidate/monster.

    • AMK

      They have to preserve the Senate….a certain degree of Beltway poo-pooing gives the likes of Portman and Ayotte and Toomey and Heck the room they need to shake hands at the megachurch picnic without being bigger hypocrites than usual. I think that’s it.

      • Nobdy

        So you court the moderates at the cost of the deplorables? They need the deplorables to turn out to have a chance. I’m not sure that’s a winning electoral formula. Trump won, or at least did very well, in almost all of the primaries in red states. His deplorables are a big part of every Republican electorate. Do you pick up enough moderates to replace them?

        • Occam’s Razor or a Razor sharp see -saw?

        • AMK

          The national party as a whole knows it can’t disown Trump…Paul Ryan is the de facto leader of the party, and he hasn’t come anywhere near disowning him. But calculated ambiguity works in its favor by letting the candidates in tight races do what they think is best.

      • Davis X. Machina

        ….a certain degree of Beltway poo-pooing gives the likes of Portman and Ayotte and Toomey and Heck the room they need…

        There is a real risk associated with this level of pooh-poohing…

      • lawtalkingguy

        I think this is it. The poll collapse combined with an attack on white women, a group the GOP cares about, means the people in tight races are going to try to do it alone. But ya, if all this does is just disgust the moderate GOPpers from showing up vote then the Dems could run all of these sons of bitches over except Portman, who will still hilariously will win by +5-6 (fucking DNC, all these races were winnable and in both OH and FL they put up shit candidates)

        • Mac the Knife

          Yeah, the real reason so many Ohioans are going for Trump is because they’re so worked up about trade. That’s why they’re sending W’s trade representative back to the Senate.

          Strickland’s not a bad candidate on paper. Did he just get drowned by Koch money?

          • Steve LaBonne

            Maybe not on paper, but in real life he’s been useless.

        • NonyNony

          It’s not the DNC (why would you think it was the DNC?). It’s the state party – its weak, there is no bench at all, and term limits make it nearly impossible for the state party to build a bench.

          Did you see the alternatives to Strickland? Not a whole lot of good options to choose from. Because we just don’t have the farm club to have a whole lot of options to choose from.

    • There are multiple credible rape allegations against Trump already, and now that he’s on tape basically admitting to being a sexual predator, the media will be inclined to give them a lot more more attention. Given that most rapists are serial rapists, the odds are that he has plenty more victims who haven’t presented their stories to the media/court system yet. I would be entirely unsurprised if we end up hearing from some of Trump’s victims over the next month.

      • Warren Terra

        Beyond the rape allegations, there are sexual assault allegations entirely consistent with what he bragged about on tape.

        • That’s true as well. The NYT actually ran a story on Jill Harth the day the allegations came out. She had claimed Trump did to her exactly what he bragged about doing on a routine basis. The Grauniad re-ran their story about her as well (and may have run another new one; I’m not sure).

    • JohnT

      I think an additional emotional factor is just how vulgar this latest Donald Trump…situation was. The elite allow themselves a certain degree of license and a few discrete affairs, but to go around physically feeling women up is cheap and to brag about it with a pissant celebrity journalist is worse. And the foul language. You’ll notice that a number of the more rapidly assembled responses have more about the words used and less about the confessed molestation.

      A couple of smart pundits (I forget which) posited years back that the thing that elite Republicans (and not a few Democrats) really hated about Bill Clinton and his affairs was that they thought he was just too tacky. I think Trump, after a bit of forgivable (to them) race-baiting and some interesting demonstrations of new techniques for continuous lying has now pressed the same buttons too hard. I think the reaction we’re seeing is largely and genuinely visceral

      • tacky, maybe; but at least they were consensual….

        • That’s not a distinction that authoritarian conservatives make. To them, the issue is never consensual/non-consensual. It’s permitted/illicit. Because sex is something that you do to someone, so the permission that you require is never that of the person you’re acting on (since they’re inherently beneath you), but that of the authority above you.

      • N__B

        Everyone remembers the first two words of “short-fingered vulgarian” but not the third.

      • Since the elite as a group are no more likely to keep their paws to themselves than anyone else, I believe their problem with Trump (to the extent they really have a problem) would be that he made the comments on tape, he admitted that he tried to interfere with another well-to-do man’s property rights (i.e., have sex with a married women) and he gave the proles a chance to point and laugh at their financial superiors.

        • Origami Isopod

          I think JohnT is right on the point of language. The elites are cool with high-status men committing sexual assault, so long as you’re discreet and you’re not crass about it. But, no, you don’t want to mess with the chattel of another high-status man.

      • BiloSagdiyev

        A couple of smart pundits (I forget which) posited years back that the thing that elite Republicans (and not a few Democrats) really hated about Bill Clinton and his affairs was that they thought he was just too tacky

        Yes. George Bush Sr’s mistress of decades was just not newsworthy.

    • Ahenobarbus

      If Trump were polling even going into this, I’m not sure the reaction would be the same. I wonder if some of this isn’t opportunistic. They finally realize he isn’t going to win, and are using this as a high-minded reason to jump ship.

      • seems reasonable. I mean, it’s not as if we didn’t know he is a misogynistic bigoted egotistic asshole with cave-man attitudes toward women BEFORE….

      • Also, it’s not as if the Republican Platform doesn’t actually hold pretty much the same attitudes toward women; let’s remember that Pence supports forced-childbirth as breeders for childless white couples…

    • GHorn
    • DrDick

      Hell, they support him because he is saying things they have always wanted to but were afraid to. Now they have official permission to be flaming assholes.

    • cpinva

      “Trump’s constituency knew who he was so they, like us, are not shocked to see him acting in character.”

      they didn’t just know, it’s the primary reason they support him. he stands for every disgusting human trait there is, and does so loud & proud. indeed, he is simply saying out loud, what all of them are thinking, and have been, for quite some time.

  • Peterr

    (It is possible this post is mainly an excuse to put up a P-Funk video. I’ll never tell.)

    Who told you that you needed an excuse?

    • (((Hogan)))

      +1 nation under a groove

    • Captain Oblivious

      Yes, thanks for the vid. I’d forgotten how good they were.

    • Asano Sokato

      This better be the excuse. Because if you ever – EVER – defile this particular Clinton name with an association with “Trump” again, I’ll … I’ll … I swear … something something funky out of my constrictions

  • pillsy

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer political party.

  • CrunchyFrog

    Annnnnnd .. the floodgates are opening. All of those stories that the mainstream press spiked about Trump because he might get in and they have to assure access are now being published.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/index.html

    No way in hell is that “news” or “just discovered”. Like MSGOP NBC sitting for who knows how long on the leak that came out yesterday the press knows ALL of this shit. They’ve just opted not to tell.

    • Warren Terra

      No way in hell is that “news” or “just discovered”. Like MSGOP NBC sitting for who knows how long on the leak that came out yesterday the press knows ALL of this shit. They’ve just opted not to tell.

      1) The Howard Stern stuff was public before. It’s just acquired a new valency in the context of the Access Hollywood tape, and so is being repackaged.

      2) The timeline on the NBC tape has been pretty thoroughly reported. There were about six people with Donald in that bus, any or all of whom could have remembered to look for the tape. One of them was Billy Bush, Jeb!s first cousin, who had the most reason to remember but is also the person other than Trump most embarrassed by what’s on the tape. But: the tape was apparently discovered on Wednesday by someone else at NBC who was merely intrigued and thought to look.

      • skate

        A couple weeks ago, Gothamist linked to the transcript of one specific Trump appearance on Stern’s show. Reading it made me ill.

      • cpinva

        “but is also the person other than Trump most embarrassed by what’s on the tape.”

        asserting that Trump’s embarrassed assumes facts not in evidence.

  • jpgray

    One of the biggest joys of this season is going to be Feingold crushing Johnson. Neighbor to the east, come back to the fold!

    • Big campaign stops in Milwaukee this week: Sanders, Warren, Bill Clinton…

    • Yes, as part of my work I have had to watch Johnson in several Senate hearings. If there is a more obtuse aggressively ignorant asshole in the Senate I have yet to run across them.

      • LosGatosCA

        Inofe, Sessions, Cornyn, Ernst just off the top of my nightmares

        • cpinva

          it would be easier to list the exceptions.

  • CrunchyFrog

    Looking back, there was that moment in August when it was looking like a Clinton landslide and some of us were worried that it would get so bad for Trump that he’d drop out (pushed or not) in time for the GOP to field a competitive replacement. A few people responded that this shouldn’t be a worry, as there would be no time to create a field operation, but the worry persisted as a field operation is worth only a few percentage points.

    Then, prior to the debate, the ground had shifted and Trump was nearly even. All of the GOP had lined up in support of him. Now, back to landslide talk and dropping Trump. But now a replacement it too late.

    Folks, if this was planned by Clinton’s team it’s the best 11th dimensional chess move ever. She reached out to the GOP (but, as Martin Longman has pointed out, hasn’t done any policy triangulation in the process) and gave them a rope to distance themselves from Trump. Then let him get close in the polls. And starting with the debate and Miss Universe has been hitting him hard since the start of October (and yes, I think Clinton’s team probably arranged the leaks and think that’s a good thing), but now all of those GOP folks who Clinton reached out to are on record and videotape supporting Trump. And it’s too late to try to bring in Romney as the white knight.

    • efgoldman

      if this was planned by Clinton’s team it’s the best 11th dimensional chess move ever.

      Nope, I think Rapey Orange Shitgibbon has done this entirely to himself (and to his party – awwww).
      HRC and her surrogates obviously know how to drag the bait, but it’s Rapey Combover Caligula’s Pavlovian responses are all on him. Predictable? Sure. Are HRC and her team really prepared to take advantage? Absolutely. But he can’t help it.

    • AMK

      She reached out to the GOP, but hasn’t done any policy triangulation in the process

      Her whole outreach to the GOP establishment was/is premised on trade, financial regulation and foreign policy, where she is far closer to the likes of Jeb Bush than Liz Warren anyway and always has been. I don’t think “not triangulating” for them is some kind of political masterstroke.

    • lawtalkingguy

      I do agree that Clinton’s campaign, when all is revealed, will be shown as about the best run presidential campaign ever. Sure, having Trump up there helps but a Wikileak leak implies she positioned him to be the top of the ticket. She then had the courage to hold off on releasing all the shit while CLINTONGHAZI! was raging in the press in late Aug early Sep when the press decided to make this a horse race. And then they executed the perfect attack. Blow after blow after blow after blow. And at no point did they panic and release the stuff too early, even after the Kaine debate that “Pence won” they had the balls to hold fast until late Friday when it dominated everything. Hell, they even forced wikileaks to dumb their files too soon.

    • After the discipline with which the Machado manoeuvre was executed, I’m willing to accept the possibility that nearly everything that happened during this entire election cycle was planned by Clinton. That was a truly masterful bit of trolling on Clinton’s part, and it could not have been more skilfully executed. I don’t think the RNC’s feckless incompetence during the primary cycle could possibly have been planned on her part, but I would not be willing to bet money against almost anything else that has happened having been planned by the campaign.

      I’m with lawtalkingguy here – it’s quite likely Clinton’s operation will go down in the history books as the most disciplined presidential campaign in American history. If she runs the country as well as she’s run her campaign (and I see absolutely no reason to doubt that she is capable of doing this), we’re truly in for a wonderful next eight years.

      • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

        If the House is controlled by RWNJs, and that looks likely, she’ll have no chance of running the country. Won’t be her fault, but she’ll get the blame.

        • skate

          If so, she should to do a Truman and blame it on the Do-Nothing Congress, i.e., call the idiots out.

          • Snarki, child of Loki

            There’s always the possibility of drone-strikes on the enemies of America.

        • After an ordinary election year, the RWNJs would probably control the House, this is true. Luckily, the flaming dumpster fire that is this campaign has damaged the R brand so badly that even before the WaPo tape came out, the Ds were already in striking distance of being able to recapture it, as per Wang’s numbers. In other words, it isn’t a given that Clinton will face a hostile congress.

          If she does, I have plenty of faith in her to do what skate suggests. Clinton’s been dealing with 25 years of bullshit from Rs, so I expect her to have a much lower tolerance for this kind of shit than Obama did.

    • Owlbear1

      Donny is like that obnoxious barking dog that can never quite figure out the end of its leash and always ends up choking itself into a heap, and Hillary is just standing there with a kibble.

      Snickering…

  • Mike in DC

    Only 4 un-endorsements matter: Ryan, McConnell, Preibus and Pence.
    If one of them pulls out, they all will. That’s how it works. But Ryan or McConnell would have to go first. My money’s on Yertle to be the first to jump, followed by Ryan or Preibus, with Pence the very last to go.

    • efgoldman

      My money’s on Yertle to be the first to jump

      Especially because he’s not running this year. so the fallout has time to peter our.
      Granny Starver’s problem is, if he actually bails, he could lose if Rapey Circus Peanut’s followers walk away, or he could certainly be nuked as speaker by the house Krazy Kaukus.

      • science_goy

        Or, with any luck, both.

        When this is all over, any previous endorsement of Trump needs to spell the end of one’s political career.

    • Captain Oblivious

      Preibus doesn’t matter. Nobody outside the Village or Political Blogistan knows who he is. He can’t “unendorse” anyway, because of his position.

      • Mike in DC

        True. All he can do is pull RNC support from the Trump campaign(which may happen now anyway, now that it begins to look hopeless).

        • Snarki, child of Loki

          Word is, that’s already happened.

      • Warren Terra

        Relevant: from Slate Trump Implosion Liveblog:

        Reince Priebus, the putative ringleader of this circus, will no longer be making a scheduled appearance on Face the Nation tomorrow. He will be replaced by Rudy Giuliani. CBS has been told by the RNC that Trump wanted a loyal campaign surrogate on the show, and Giuliani is certainly that.

        • MacK

          Normally I can’t stand Giuliani, but this might be worth hearing, I mean what crawling explanation can he give?

          • GeorgeBurnsWasRight

            His mission, if he decides to accept it, is to be so disgusting that people look at Trump and say, “Well, I guess he’s not that bad after all.”

            I suspect Giuliani is up for this mission, which he’s trained for all his life.

            • Colin Day

              But if he fails, are we allowed to gloat, or do we have to disavow all knowledge of his existence?

          • efgoldman

            Normally I can’t stand Giuliani, but this might be worth hearing

            He can and will make an ass of himself in new and exciting ways. Why would the campaign even agree to let anyone appear on the showz. There’s no credible positive spin to be had.

            “Can’t anybody here play this game?”
            – Casey Stengel

            • “he was born dumb and has been losing ground ever since.”
              – Casey Stengel

          • BiloSagdiyev

            A real journalist would make sure the public sees this tape in its entirety:

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

          • twbb

            I predict an unhinged attack on Hillary enabling Bill, and a reiteration of “it’s just locker room talk.”

            But honestly, I used to think growing up in NYC under Giuliani gave me insight into his personality, but as repellent as he used to be he has passed over into a cartoonist right-wing villainy that I never would have predicted. So who really knows what he will say.

            • His attempts to explain away Trump’s nearly-billion dollar loss and taxes last weekend (remember that?) were a potent reminder of that. His two major points were:

              1) Wouldn’t we rather have a genius grifter (um, businessman who is expert at weaseling his way out of financial obligations) as President than “a woman”?

              2) As a Catholic who has confessed all to a priest, my martial infidelities are forgiven, but let me be the one to cast the first stone at Hillary for her husband’s cavortings.

              Can he lower the bar any further this weekend? Stay tuned!

    • I think Pence is going to be the first to resign–he can’t win with Trump but if he resigns in disgust he preserves an enormous reservoir of good will with evangelicals and he starts at a higher level with other Republican voters for next time. There’s nothing as desirable as the one that gets away. If I were pence’s advisors I’d tell him to withdraw now. As for Ryan, McConnell and Preibus they have zero incentive o withdraw heir endorsements. They will, at most, do what Ayotte is doing and say that although they understand that people may not feel comfortable supporting Trump they have to take Perkin’s fine hairsplitting statement “I don’t share his values but he shaes my concerns” (paraphrasing) adn run with it. I mean–they basically cranked the fear factor of Hillary and the Dems up to such a degree that it is impossible for them to admit that Hillary would be better than Trump. So why denounce Trump? They won’t do it. They are going to adopt the MoveOn position “censure and move on.”

      • efgoldman

        if he resigns in disgust he preserves an enormous reservoir of good will with evangelicals and he starts at a higher level with other Republican voters for next time.

        Much as I hate to disagree with you (I do, really, because you’re so incisive most of the time) I don’t think so.
        Mike Dense was already toast in his home state. He has no real base except, maybe, some of the bible thumpers. He will be seen by the flying monkey mouth breathers as an apostate and worse, especially if Rapey Deadbeat decides to strike out against him. He has the same problem Kris Krispie has: no base = no way to operate in the political sphere.
        I can see him wandering the political desert for 40 years, like Rih Santorum, perpetually running but unable to get any traction because of that oh, so heavy cross he’s dragging around on his back.

        • twbb

          Also, an electorally significant percentage of evangelicals are going to stay loyal to Trump.

  • jdd_stl

    Any excuse for a little p-funk is ok by me.

  • Cash & Cable

    This would probably be a bridge too far, but if I were a particularly devious Democratic SuperPAC, I would start running falseflag ads against certain GOP candidates for not standing with Trump. “Call X and tell him to support our party’s leader.” Run the ads against politicians who actually haven’t abandoned Trump but are trying to keep their heads down. Make them either let the misinformation stand or double down on their Trump support.

    • cleter

      I would start running ads about various candidates support for Trump. “Marco Rubio will work hard to pass Donald Trump’s agenda!”

  • jim, some guy in iowa

    *jesus*, but Scott Adams is a deranged creep

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/784921981028331521

    • It takes a specially concentrated level of stupidity, bubble-wrapped from reality, to come out and flatly deny that any women have ever complained about Trump’s molestation.

  • Mike G

    They knew what Trump was, but it was more important to them to have a candidate that would appeal to the rubes they’d stoked with decades of trash right-wing media to be loud, bigoted and stupid. Now we get their faux-outrage of “I’m sorry he got caught on tape”.

    Face it, GOP (Grab Others’ Pussies) — Trump is who you are.

    Own it.

  • N__B

    OT, but a good intro to Trump’s original claim to fame: Trump as a developer in NYC.

    In the interests of full disclosure, I know the author and Michael Sorkin was a professor of mine. I have no influence over either of them.

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