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Hey, wingnuts, I’ve got the answer to your problems…

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night is edgy) and featuring Greg Gutfield, Ann Coulter, Dennis Miller and Adam Carolla. They sit around gabbing about how weird black lesbians are and how their mothers were on welfare but everybody else’s welfare-recieving mother is probably a lazy, undeserving whore. Dennis Miller can use words most of the audience doesn’t understand and act smug. Ann Coulter will call everyone fags. Jokingly. CUT-PRINT-BOOM!–no more leftist zombies.

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  • ThrottleJockey

    Yeah WTF is up with Dennis Miller? He was so funny before 9/11. He used to tell jokes, now he is one.

    • Miller’s not a pimple on the late GREAT George Carlin’s butt!

    • jim, some guy in iowa

      Miller went off the rails when he learned Bill Clinton was getting blow jobs. guess he was jealous?

      • DrS

        One wonders of whom

        • Another Holocene Human

          gay.com chats were up and running in the 1990s

          little bit tougher for straight guys

      • Another Holocene Human

        I can’t remember the comic who said this, but he did a whole routine about how if you wanted to perform and get sex, you needed to be a singer. A successful comic leaves the audience with a great vibe but not the urge to jump the comic’s bones. It was a good routine. :)

        • ThrottleJockey

          Eddie Murphy

          • Guggenheim Swirly

            Well I guess that explains “(My Girl Wants To) Party All The Time.”

            • Nothing explains that, except that Rick James needed a paycheck.

            • pedantic nerd

              “Put the Boogie in Your Butt” would be more apropos. Good comedy may make you want to put something in your butt, but it is never the boogie.

    • Ronan

      i only really know miller post 9/11 but have looked back a bit at his old routine.(on account of all the ‘what happened to d miller rheoric) it’s alright, better than now, but still not great imo(certainly not worth all the tears that have been shed over him)
      as i always say though, if hicks had lived he would have turned out libertarian/reactionary

      • Ronan

        or more specifically re hicks, his routine would have been universally seen as the tedious, childishness it was

        • Royko

          Ahh, I see what you’re doing there — the “Bill Hicks was overrated and childish” dollar. That’s a big dollar!

          • Ronan

            na seriously .. i do have a tendency towards hyperbole which im trying to get out off, but ive never seen it (context wise – i think some of it was a reaction to ‘the cult of hicks’, and i came across him mainly in the 00s so the topics he spoke about; drugs, opposition to the gulf war (!! out of all the wars to oppose) anti religion etc werent really that groundbreaking to me, but (most importantly imo) the jokes always fell flat. I might have a different perspective if i wached them back now (and what ive seen is limited to the big shows that were recorded for a larger audience) but ..

            looking back there is a strong smell of misogyny of him as well, and the potential (without doubt imo) towards a strong shift rightwards in the future (which wouldnt matter if the jokes worked, which i never felt they did)

            • Ronan

              ‘groundbreaking’ isnt the word really, but the whole ‘outspoken, politically aware malcontent’ routine had probably lost its edge by then

            • Ronan

              this is where i say denis leary did it better, and run away

              • dennis leary stole his whole act from bill hicks

                • Ronan

                  thats the joke bro

            • Royko

              Honestly, he had bits I thought were brilliant and bits I didn’t care much for (and even some that were childish.) A lot of the way the mythology around him formed had to do with his young death. I don’t hold that against him, though, and I can respect what his legend represents — a counterculture hero at a time when the counterculture was pretty much dead.

              It’s hard for me to picture where he would have ended up. There was definitely a libertarian streak in him. But he also seemed to have a real problem with war in general that would have made it difficult for him to turn to the right. Still, anything’s possible.

              • southend

                Anyone who thinks Hicks would have ended up on the right is tripping balls.

          • Ronan

            i’ll row back on ‘childish’ as its a loaded term

            • Has any other comedian joked about the First Gulf War the way Hicks did?

              • Ronan

                i dont know. but i dont think his opposition was particularly effective (in terms of saying something insightful about the conflict or US militarism in general) or funny.

                • It was funny as hell, IMHO. That’s all that counts, at least if you want to judge him as a stand-up comedian and not some sort of ‘wise person’ making a difference with humor.

                • Ronan

                  i agree that the jokes are all that count. Im not looking for wisdom. But (imo) that reputation(as wise truth teller) always hid the fact that his jokes werent great. This is all imo, of course.

                • Ronan

                  I dont think Im a huge fan of stand up in general though, the more i think about it. Or else youtube etc has so stunted my attention span that i like particular jokes or routines rather than comedians at this stage

          • Tom Servo

            Nah I agree with Ronan. Hicks was good but man people fellate him too much.

            No one talks about Sam alibis on anymore. He was at least as good if not better. Died only a couple years before Hicks I think

            • Tom Servo

              Sam Kinison. Autocorrect.

              • thats one hell of an autocorrect

            • kateislate

              The guys on the Nerdist podcast talk about him quite often.

              • Tom Servo

                Cool will have to listen to that.

                • Kinnison was a real piece of work. He had a kid with a friends’ wife, said friend worked for him as well.

      • jim, some guy in iowa

        don’t think it’s crying over Miller so much as trying to figure out when he went from ‘adequate weekend update anchor’ to ‘braying self satisfied wingnut’

        • Ronan

          he was seen as the next big thing though at one stage, wasnt he? or am i missng the history (ive only seen clips on yout*be so couldnt be too hard on his old schtik)

          • jim, some guy in iowa

            I don’t think Miller ever was seen that way. he’s always been a really obviously limited kind of performer, a lot like Limbaugh in that he’s more in love with the sound of his voice than anything else

            • Aimai

              He was always a tedious, second rate, white guy humorist. I think the shock about his turning wingnut is that he came out of a tradition where none of that stuff was cool–not the “patriotism” not the flag waving, not the jingoism, not the warmongering, not the racism and not the more virulent religious homophobia (gay bashing and sexism were perfectly ok though). In other words people assumed that because he was a comic and a performer he was at least more or less cool with post sixties culture. To see him go right into scenery chewing authentic frontier gibberish was surprising not because he was falling from any comedic heights but just because he was assumed to be a modern person and all that stuff was so very retro.

              • Jonas

                Yeah, and he had long hair. It was just considered a given that he was cool and probably liberal. I remember watching the Black and White special when it came out-someething like 1991 or so-and was surprised-it was pretty tedious and it was all liberal-bashing, with a line at the end of every liberal-bashing rant saying ‘and conservatives are just as bad.’ But once he was done with SNL it was pretty apparent that he was a conservative looking for an audience. 9/11 was able to produce that for him.

                • Royko

                  I remember his post-9/11 special seemed to have an awful lot of Ted Kennedy jokes in it that had passed their sell-by date in the 80s. He threw in some “Nancy Pelosi is a bitch” jokes to try to stay current, but it all seemed pretty stale and out of touch even with what they were laughing about in the fever swamps back then.

              • advocatethis

                And he’s gone whole hog into the whole right wing schtick. I recently heard a segment of his radio show saying that on the one hand, global warming doesn’t exist, and on the other hand, if it does exist, he doesn’t want to live in a world in which he would have to make the necessary sacrifices to stave off global warming. I thought that was among the dumbest things I’d ever heard, but after thinking about it I realized that has to be the subtext to conservative global warming denial. it’s not that they really don’t believe it exists, they don’t want to have to suffer the short term inconvenience acknowledging its existence would require of them. The long term inconvenience of actual global warming doesn’t bother them because they’re not planning to be around.

            • John (not McCain)

              Which is why it was great to watch Dana Carvey do a Dennis Miller impression right in front of Dennis Miller.

        • Ronan

          also, i guess there’s a whole other economy associated with being a conservative X (comedian, pundit etc) that Im not aware of, so miller probably has a certain amount of ‘credibility’and a large enough fan base in certain circles.
          i mean, i happened to look up mark steyns twitter handle recently and it turns out he has 70k odd followers, whereas i thought he had just sunk into obscurity

          • catclub

            “a whole other economy”

            Branson, Missouri

            I was also going to include Dollywood, but I think she is considered cool, lately.

            • John (not McCain)

              Dolly’s always been cool.

              • DrS

                Yeah, Dolly’s a BAMF. Love her.

                (hopes no one has info I haven’t heard before)

                • Royko

                  My daughter gets a free book from Dolly every month (as can any child aged 0-5). For that alone, she could kill a hobo and I’d let her slide.

                  [Am not actually endorsing hobo-killing.]

                • Guggenheim Swirly

                  [Am not actually endorsing hobo-killing.]

                  Well …. not this time, anyway.

                • Anna in PDX

                  Actually she wants us all to think about how hobos will fare in Heaven….

        • Royko

          Yeah, I don’t remember him being all that in demand as a comedian in the years just before 9/11. I think most of the “what happened to Dennis?” concern came down to sentimental affection for his Weekend Update days.

          From what I remember from interviews back then, he seemed to be angry that liberals didn’t jump more enthusiastically on the muslim/Arab-hating, and that any slightly nuanced view was a Blame America attitude (my interpretation). More specifically, he said he was bothered by liberals not backing the president after we were attacked. I don’t know what planet he was living on because pretty much everyone rallied behind the president back then (the costs of which were paid later.)

          There was a weird mix of America, F^#* Yeah nationalism swirling around with the attitude that a liberal conscious was something between a cliche and a buzz-killing barrier to some fun democracy, whisky, sexy times. Some people got sucked in for a time only to come to their senses, and some were lost for good.

  • Alan in SF

    I don’t know, Marxist indoctrination just hasn’t been the same sine Jay Leno retired.

    • DrS

      I don’t know why you’d go off on this tangent.

      • catclub

        He has his ups and his downs.

      • herr doktor bimler

        It’s a hyperbolic tangent at that.

      • KmCO

        Love you guys.

        • Lee Rudolph

          You’re a Gudermannian than I am.

        • herr doktor bimler

          We are exponents of punning.

    • Another Holocene Human

      sine Jay Leno is an awesome typo

      sine Jay … the birds sing
      the flowers bloom
      the subway hums

      sine Jay … the tv blares
      and no-one cares
      comedy has won

      • catclub

        The co-host is of course, cosine Jay Leno

        • Alan in SF

          There you go, off on a tangent again.

          Damn this blog’s lack of an edit function.

          • John

            I don’t think Jay Leno is such a tan gent. I think his natural Italian complexion looks darker because of his white hair.

    • CD

      Yep. You could pull out your copy of the Grundrisse, turn to whatever chapter he was up to, and follow along.

      • Another Holocene Human

        Darn, that’s my problem–I didn’t have the libretto, so I just fell asleep.

  • Conservatives aren’t very funny, because they suffer from an “Irony Deficiency.”

    And what makes them laugh is considered cruel humor, by normal people.

    Rush, making fun of some minority, is the epitome of their style of humor.

    George Dumbaya Bush, searching for the WMD’s in the White House, really brought the house down, and wet a few pants!

    • Another Holocene Human

      The hell with Godwin’s Law. The rant up top reminds me of some of the peculiar insecurities of the Nazi state. They were obsessed with “aryans” breeding, within a traditional marriage or not and at some point decided to ban comics in comedy clubs from mocking marriage and making “take my wife … please” kinds of jokes.

      • Another Holocene Human

        They’re more famous for banning “degenerate art”, of course, but like the paranoid who wrote that MRC post, they really thought that people joking about stuff would make them lose their fervor to do it, displaying as usual no sense of how human beings work (and some truly bizarre perversions).

        • The local used bookshop had a book a few months ago about humor in the USSR, and I really wish I’d thought to pick it up. What little I read while flipping through it looked incredibly interesting — lots of focus on the jokes the common, non-party members would make to themselves and how they risked serious penalties if it was found they were making jokes about how shitty it was to live in the Soviet Union. I don’t know why I didn’t get it now — I wish I could even remember the title so I could order it now… :/

          • There are a couple of books on the subject.

            The best one is Emil A. Draitser, Taking Penguins to the Movies: Ethnic Humor in Russia (Detroit: Wayne State University Press, 1998).

            • I think I remember it having a painfully uninteresting title — something incredibly vague like “Life in the USSR.” :/

          • Karen

            One my good friends in high school was the son of a translator of Russian, who worked on several trade missions in the 70’s. Dr. Guidry told us the jokes he learned from the Russians he met on his travels. The two best:

            Three guys in a Gulag. 1st says to 2nd “I got three years for trading in the black market.” 2nd to first “I’m in for five years for hooliganism.” Both turn to 3rd, who pleads “I am in for ten years, and I did nothing! I am innocent!!” 1st to 3rd: “That is impossible, Comrade. Innocent people are sentenced to twenty years.”

            Three other guys in Gulag: 1st. “I supported Gronsky.” 2nd: “I opposed Gronsky.” 3rd: (pauses for dramatic effect) “I AM Gronsky!”

            • In Pravda there is no Izvestia, and in Izvestia there is no Pravda.

              • Karen

                Brezhnev visited Paris, and Giscard d’Estang proudly showed him the Eiffel Tower. Brezhnev looks at it and says nothing. He rides all the way to the top in the elevator and still says nothing, with D’Estange soliloquizing on the magnificence of French design and French technical skill. Finally they walk all the way around the observation deck, and return to the bottom; Breshnev silent for the entire visit. Finally a Gallically exasperated d’Estange bluntly asks Breshnev why he wasn’t impressed? Do they have such marvels in the USSR that the Eiffel Tower is unremarkable? Breshnev looks down, brushes some lint from his sleeve, then looks searchingly into d’Estange’s eyes. “Comrade, the size is impressive, but only one machine gun tower for all these people?”

        • Matt

          For additional Godwin-flavored goodness, take a look at this (via Edroso):

          http://www.theamericanconservative.com/prufrock/surrealism-was-a-mistake/

    • Chris

      Why conservative humor just isn’t very funny is a topic I’ve seen pop up regularly. And indeed, one of the more convincing arguments I’ve read is that conservative humor is only funny if you consider bigotry or cruelty funny.

      • Liberals will laugh at the part of the movie where the old lady slips on a banana-peel, and falls down.
        And then, we feel guilty for laughing about it.

        Conservatives won’t laugh at that part – not until a bus runs her over, and dumps her crushed corpse in an open manhole.
        And then, GUFFAW’S break out!!!!!!!!!

        • John F

          So you can tell whether someone is liberal or a conservative by which point in the K-K-Ken (finally) kills the old lady sequence they start laughing?

    • UserGoogol

      I don’t think that’s true per se. Very many liberals have terrible senses of humor. For instance: Dumbaya, seriously? What are you, five? And there’s a certain mean-spiritedness to your jokes which could be viewed as punching down. You’re mocking the powerful, but making fun of them for petty reasons. But I don’t mean that just as a personal insult towards you, it is in fact very common for very liberal people to just being making really tired obvious jokes about conservatives. Comedy is an art form, and it’s an art form which can very easily be done poorly. Despite the craft required to tell a good joke, comedy is a big part of social interaction, so bad jokes abound in life.

      So I don’t think it’s that liberals tend to have good senses of humor, but that people who have good senses of humor tend to be liberal. Being compassionate towards people broadly speaking doesn’t prevent you from being a petty dick to people you think deserve it. But when people do have a good sense of humor, that tends to encourage them to be a bit more liberal-minded.

      • Fair enough.

        So, sometimes I’m childish.

        There are far worse things to be.

      • Origami Isopod

        For instance: Dumbaya, seriously? What are you, five?

        Stick, ass, remove, etc.

        • yinz

          i dunno. he’s definitely not the only one who’s tired of not-particularly-clever insults. if i ever hear someone say “rethuglican” out in the real world, i may just have an aneurysm.

          the only difference between weak-ass political burns and autofellatio is that the former won’t get you any applause when you break it out at a party.

          • r

            Here here!

      • Brad Nailer

        Bush imposed himself and his personal brand of fake-cowboy sociopathy onto the world stage and into our lives, unasked. That he was a spoiled, drug-addled trust-fund baby is about the best thing you can say about him; that he is an unindicted war criminal is about the worst, and that should be his legacy, along with his mentors Cheney and Rumsfeld, the Tweedledum and Tweedledee of modern American barbarism. Bush deserves all the mocking and derision we can give him, petty or otherwise. If I ever hear him apologize for the disasters that occurred on his watch, I might change my mind. Until then, fuck him.

        • UserGoogol

          My main point isn’t that it’s wrong to call Dubya rude names, but that it’s not funny. Even if you’re attacking a target which deserves to be taken down a peg, a bad joke is still a bad joke. If you think he’s bad, say he’s bad, but trying to congratulate yourself with dumb puns on the subject is just demeaning yourself.

          Although there are times when things cross the line. For instance, if someone called Bush a retard, that would be wrong because it would be making fun of the mentally handicapped. Or language about cock-sucking or whatever is sexist/homophobic. When cheap jokes are offensive, it’s not just because of the official target of the joke, but because of how they go about it.

          • Brad Nailer

            Oh, calling Bush names is funny, whether you agree or not. If I call him an oozing, pus-filled abscess on the body politic, I’m going to get a kick out of it and maybe a few others will, too. That’s all it takes. And I won’t call him a retard for the simple fact that, besides “retard” being mean, it would be a slam on people with IQs below 80 and I’m guessing Bush is at least an 85.

          • KmCO

            My main point isn’t that it’s wrong to call Dubya rude names, but that it’s not funny.

            What’s not funny to you might be hilarious to others. And given the comments this subthread has generated, Dubya-mocking names strike quite a few of us as funny.

      • If you think calling the fucking POTUS names is punching down you are directionally challenged.

      • Guggenheim Swirly

        Thank you for your concern.

    • Darek

      And what makes them laugh is considered cruel humor, by normal people.

      Rush, making fun of some minority, is the epitome of their style of humor.

      Indeed. The best comedy punches above its weight class and attempts to shake things up, there’s nothing fun about kicking people who are already down (gays, immigrants, poor, etc). Unless of course you’re a cruel and deranged fuck.

      The irony is that the more deranged the conservatives become about issues like this, the more fodder they provide for comedians, particularly the ones writing for late night shows. When you need so much new material on a nightly basis you often have to pick the low hanging fruit just to fill the time.

    • ChrisTS

      what makes them laugh is considered cruel humor, by normal people.

      That is part of it. But, I think it’s also that they can barely suppress the anger they feel.

      • KmCO

        This. And don’t forget fear. It’s hard to find humor in things when you consider your very identity to be in constant threat at the hands of the outside world.

      • cpinva

        “But, I think it’s also that they can barely suppress the anger they feel.”

        perhaps. I live with a just barely suppressed rage, 24/7/365 (it’s a long, boring story, you don’t want to hear it, trust me on this.). it takes nearly all of my willpower to not lash out at everyone/thing around me. despite that, I take no pleasure in humor based on racism/sexism/etc., I find it unfunny and gauche.

  • Gregor Sansa

    Haven’t you watched The Walking Dead? Everyone is infected already! Just stopping the bites will not stop the plague.

    And this plan doesn’t even do that; it seems to be a plan for the uninfected to try to bite back. But you should never get into a bite-fight with a leftist zombie; you both get snarked, but only the leftist enjoys it.

    • Another Holocene Human

      You must not know the leftists I know, because the leftists I know know THAT’S NOT FUNNY!

      Liberals, on the other hand … conservatives hate liberals so very, very much simply because they take time and enjoy life. *cue Vader ‘no’ here*

      • Golly, I’m a leftist, and I’m *pretty* sure I don’t hate jokes. We may never know the truth, I suppose.

        • Anna in PDX

          IDK, as a leftist I can appreciate humor that pokes fun at our tendency to take life too seriously. E.g., some of the Portlandia skits are pretty funny. And the lightbulb joke about the feminists made me laugh even though I am one.

          • Guggenheim Swirly

            What’s it like being a lightbulb?

            • DrS

              What’s it like being a lightbulb?

              I bet it used to be pretty hot. Til these damn new CFLs.

  • The white male is the butt of the liberal fascist joke. Here’s how it works.

    1. Liberals use humor to make fun of Republicans.
    2. Liberals point and laugh at Republicans, which is worse than 11 million holocausts on 9/11.
    3. The popularity of Republicans continues to drop with large sections of America.
    4. Therefore, banning humor at the expense of Republicans is the only way to protect America.

    • Another Holocene Human

      I wanted to say something clever about the conservative propensity to think any laughter they hear is directed at them personally (there is research on this) but that turned out to be harder to google than I thought, dammit.

      Somebody like Barack Obama can laugh at himself. Somebody like Rush Limbaugh never can. I’ve never heard him make a self-deprecating joke–have you?

      • Chris

        I think George Bush’s “where are the WMDs?” joke was his attempt at self-deprecation. It mostly just ended up being tone-deaf, though, since what he was making light of was several tens of thousands of murdered people.

        • Another Holocene Human

          Bush did make some self-deprecating jokes–he could be charming in person (depends who you are, of course)–but he’s enmeshed in the kind of privilege Limbaugh can only dream about. You don’t see that undercurrent of rage beneath the surface with W. It’s more an almost sociopathic uncaring about people outside his social class.

          • Chris

            That kind of matches my anecdotal experience with wingnuts. With the superrich ones, it’s not so much anger and malice as staggering obliviousness to their own privilege and to what the 99% have to go through. When I see “undercurrent of rage,” it’s invariably from middle class wingnuts who aren’t as wildly successful as they think they deserve to be, and blame Fucking Libruls and other such people for preventing the Market-God from giving them their due.

            Although if Ann Romney is any indication, undercurrents of rage and bitterness aren’t unknown among the 1%.

            • DrS

              Heh, mere mention of her name now conjures images of her in that $900 shirt.

            • Aimai

              I think that everyone has the possibility of being charming and self deprecating within their own social circle. Its when they try to engage with people outside their comfort zone, or their base, that they get into trouble. I’m sure that Romney wit is like that because it has largely grown up in a very insular community.

              And of course there are ethnic “styles” to humor which are untranslatable. Deadpan, sarcasm, irony, tall tale telling, shaggy dog stories, punchlines–these all vary tremendously from community to community and family to family. I have two daughters–the oldest one is painfully earnest. She can be witty but she is very seldom funny. The younger one is side splittingly funny in every register and can go from dry, understated, wit to broad improv in a second.

            • Cheap Wino

              Well, Ann was called out on her privilege unfairly personally attacked when people didn’t find her hardship of having to dip into the principal of Mitt’s trust fund while waiting for him to go through finishing school college didn’t seem worthy of compassion. You can understand why she was angry.

              • Aimai

                This gets to a problem that (some) upper class people have with humor. The great comedians are almost always outsiders who found humor to be their own defense against loss/fear/attack. Making jokes, at least in the Jewish tradition, is a defense against despair and hurt. People get very good at it or else they suffer. You get the feeling with Ann Romney that she was unused to suffering and to being judged. She had no real emotional defense against it other than anger and hostility. Because she’d never had to endure those attacks and push back through humor. I don’t think Ann Romney isn’t funny because she’s upper class, but I do think that she does not respond with humor to situations because she’s upper class.

      • Cheap Wino

        Somebody like Barack Obama can laugh at himself. Somebody like Rush Limbaugh never can. I’ve never heard him make a self-deprecating joke–have you?

        Right. Limbaugh’s version of this is the whole Institute of Advanced Conservative Studies (or whatever it is) schtick. On the surface it’s supposed to be wink, wink because it’s just a radio show. But it’s so full of pompous know-it-all attitude that any potential actual humor can’t squeeze its way in edgewise.

        The people who fall for his persona as the affable everyman who just happens to know better than the ivory tower intellectuals and entrenched politicians are the kind who don’t understand why this shallow schtick is so easily satirized by the Colberts of the world so you get the liberals are mean response.

      • catclub

        “turned out to be harder to google than I thought, dammit.”

        That is because Google is laughing… at you.

  • Ronan

    I love Craig Ferguson, or at least before he went off the boil recently. (although i havent seen his show in a while) Is his show popular in the US ? I wouldnt have thought the show particularly(outwardly) liberal or political.
    Bill Maher on the other hand is an absolute fucking arsehole

    • Ronan

      when as’ad abukhalil went on mahers show

      http://angryarab.blogspot.ie/2009/03/angry-arab-on-bill-mahers-politically.html

      quite funny and shows maher for the ‘intellectual’ lightweight he is.
      i mean he’s awful. just a terrible human being.

      • Anna in PDX

        A big fan of the Angry Arab here, I am glad he called Maher on his bullshit. I really dislike Maher too.

        • southend

          I get that Maher isn’t everyone’s cup o’ tea, and I don’t agree with everything he says, but I do think he’s pretty fkn funny.

          • Patricia Kayden

            Me too. He can be hilarious from time to time, although he’s certainly not politically correct.

            • Origami Isopod

              although he’s certainly not politically correct concerned if he shits on an oppressed group at all.

              Fixed that for you. Really, “politically correct”? GMAFB.

    • Ferguson seems to have a certain amount of geek cred. Don’t know how his ratings are, though…

      • Ronan

        i watched them all through youtube and over the space of a short enough time span, so i guess that skews my perspective as well (in that i can just pick and choose the best bits)

      • TribalistMeathead

        There was an article about it on Deadspin or one of the Gawker sites recently, about how it was pretty much geared towards insomniacs or anyone who’s regularly awake from 12:30 am to 1:30 am ET.

        I don’t really know much about it outside of Ferguson’s story about becoming sober, which I enjoyed very much.

    • sharculese

      He has a core following who are extremely devoted but his shtick was never going to be a huge, mainstream success.

    • Bitter Scribe

      The only thing I don’t like about Ferguson is the fag jokes.

    • Brad Nailer

      Ferguson always makes me laugh. So does Maher, for that matter.

    • Origami Isopod

      Bill Maher on the other hand is an absolute fucking arsehole

      Ayep. Racist, classist, misogynist — and one of those atheists whose “logic and reason” don’t prevent him from falling into pits of woo like anti-vax.

  • p.s. I didn’t know your name was Eric. Are your sisters named Donald, Basil and Bernard, or are you a GENDERFRAUD?!?

    • Another Holocene Human

      Or a genderfreud?

    • catclub

      How would one know the sex of Eric the Half-a-Bee?

  • NonyNony

    Why is it that conservatives love the free market right up until the market tells them that they suck?

    If people aren’t watching your shows, make better shows. If you can’t make conservative comedy funny, don’t try to make comedies.

    What’s hilarious is that the liberal satire commentary format is pretty much a response to the conservative rage-a-holic talk radio / FOX News format. Liberals have tried to do the conservative rageathon talk radio crap and it doesn’t work because their audiences aren’t interested. So they did something else, and it worked! Now conservatives are pissed because it doesn’t work for them. They can go cry on the shoulder of the people who founded Air America – some things just don’t work for some audiences.

    • Another Holocene Human

      Then they can cry again when they remember Al Franken is in the Senate, busting their chops.

    • DrS

      Why is it that conservatives love the free market right up until the market tells them that they suck?

      Cause they can’t handle the fact that they are not universally adored. The ‘market’ told them that they were and that was good. As long as they ignore just how they got in that position.

      Pointing anything out about that is deeply wounding. So, they react, letting their fear rule.

      • Another Holocene Human

        The Market is like The Bible — they worship it, they love to quote it as an authority, but since they can never be wrong they must pick and choose carefully.

    • It is evidence that the market now consists of more than themselves and they hate it.

      Witness the meltdown when IKEA had a gay couple in one of its catalogs (and that was before the store had much of a footprint in the US). More recently, shit was lost over a Cheerios ad that featured HORRORS! blatant miscegenation.

      It all means women and minorities now have enough money of their own to warrant at least a little consideration from The Market and they can’t stand that.

    • Royko

      Don’t forget their annual hissy over business owners choosing to have their employees say “Happy Holidays” because it’ll have the broadest appeal with consumers.

      The Free Market is great, except when it caters to the wrong people.

  • EndOfTheWorld

    Hey, kids, turn off that comedy channel! Burn your Simpsons DVDs, and throw out that George Carlin CD. I think you’ll find this collection of P. J. O’Rourke essays to be pretty darn dope, if you know what I mean!

    • DrS

      PJ O’Rourke advised me to become a dentist. I told him that I hate teeth.

      • I hate it that O’Rourke is from my home town. He’s a privileged prick who went through a counter-cuture hippy phase when he was young, then later came out as just another right wing dick head, who happens to be glib and clever.

        He does stand out in that respect.

        BTW, his daddy owned a Buick dealership.

        • TribalistMeathead

          I think that was actually his (abusive) stepfather that owned a Buick dealership.

  • Gwen

    Ugh please no.

    Conservative comedy generally has all the wit and charm of Vogon poetry.

    I thought Dennis Miller was pretty funny in the 1990s, and I think you can get a lot of mileage out of the personality foibles of politicians regardless of their ideology. The Clinton administration was a good time for comedy… but that applied to everyone… Dave, Jay Leno, Conan, and whatever show Craig Kilborn was on.

    The nature of comedy and satire is to poke at the structure and institutions of society. In the schizophrenic right-wing mind, they’re the rebels, the counterculture, but of course always rush to defend the actually-existing establishment any time it’s criticized.

    • advocatethis

      I think Kilborn was on The Daily Show, then some late late late night show.

      I always wanted to find Miller funny, but never did. It always seemed like he was trying harder to be erudite, which nobody really cared about, than to be funny. Now he seems to have abandoned trying to be funny altogether.

      • Remember when he was on Monday night football?

        • advocatethis

          I’ve never understood what demographic that was supposed to appeal to. At least Limbaugh on one of the football shows made a little sense because he had his ditto-heads to tune in, but who was Miller going to bring to a telecast?

        • Mondfledermaus

          I only saw him one in MNF, it was a disaster, luckely the game sucked and I just turned it off.

      • He was Craig Fergusons predecessor doing the Late, Late Show which runs after David Letterman. I recently looked him up on the Wiki and he’s reached his deserved level of obscurity.

        • advocatethis

          Though he was as smug as you’d expect from a former ESPN anchor, I actually liked Kilborn. Not enough to stay up late to watch him, but I thought he was funny.

    • Guggenheim Swirly

      Conservative comedy generally has all the wit and charm of Vogon poetry.

      To be fair, though, I actually laughed at “Ode to a Small Lump of Green Putty I Found in My Armpit One Midsummer Morning,” which is more than I can say for any conservative “comedy” routine.

      • Guggenheim Swirly

        But now that I think of it, that wasn’t actually Vogon. I guess this means I fail the comps for my Ph.D. in Vogon Literature.

  • calling all toasters

    I’m just waiting for them to go after Game of Thrones:
    “Joffrey was a tax-cutter, but HBO doesn’t want you to know that!”

    • DrS

      They have to right? Any bit of pop culture that they decide they like has to then be brought through a ‘conservative lens’.

      How’s Doughy Pantload feeling about GoT? This is totes in his wheelhouse.

      • calling all toasters

        I think Mr. Load will go with “Daenerys freed the slaves, just like another Republican!” Then try to find some readers to write the rest of his column.

        • Now that is just mean.

          I love it!

    • TribalistMeathead

      I’m really surprised there hasn’t been more snark about the fact that Francis Underwood is obviously a Democrat since he’s so depraved.

      • I like Kevin Spacys answer to the question about the difference between the fictional political world of House of Cards and reality:

        “We get shit done.”

    • Bruce Baugh

      I started to write out “Ned Stark deserved to die for his willingness to make sacrifices for others, contrary to the Sacred Rand”, and then had an insight into the Christian/Objectivist thing….

      Jesus sacrificed Himself. No other is needed. Therefore, no other is desired. We are free to live Objectivist-wise, and attempting to engage in sacrificial behavior of any sort is presuming on Godhood.

      Now I’m going to rinse my brain out.

      • Holy Moloch – here – have a Brillo pad.

  • Aaron Morrow

    Did the failure of Tough Crowd with Colin Quinn led directly to the era of Pax Colbert, or was it just a coincidence?

    • sharculese

      I don’t think so?

      There’s a gap of a year or so between the end of Tough Crowd and the premier of the Colbert Report. It’s more just part of the general trend that had Comedy Central struggling to find something that worked after the Daily Show until they hit upon Colbert.

  • Cols714

    Is Carolla right wing?

    • advocatethis

      I’ve always that he was right wing, but that may be because of his punching-down humor.

      • Another Holocene Human

        Carolla seems like a sexist jerk to me, mostly from Man Show. I used to religiously tune into Loveline back in the 1990s. There’s no way he’s a conservative in the traditional sense. Libertarian, I think. He also has expressed views about needing secure borders and switched party affiliation from D to R so some post 9/11 freakout in there as well.

    • Yes this one puzzled me too. Last I heard he was doing the “Love Line” with Dr. Drew which was a show devoted to sexual health and relationships. There wasn’t anything on there that could really be considered right wing.

      • Another Holocene Human

        He quit Loveline in 2005.

      • TribalistMeathead

        There wasn’t anything on there that could really be considered right wing.

        Other than that whole “any woman who likes anything kinkier than under the covers, in the missionary position, with the lights off is a dirty whore and probably molested as a child” thing.

        Carolla didn’t really get explicitly right wing until his podcast started, but, I mean, there WAS The Man Show.

      • Malaclypse

        There wasn’t anything on there that could really be considered right wing.

        I’ll just leave this right here.

        • The Great God Pan

          Yeah. The Internet doesn’t seem to be corroborating my memories, but I used to listen to Loveline occasionally and I recall Dr. Drew claiming that homosexuality is caused by child molestation.

          In fact, I remember a caller who identified himself as gay and Drew immediately asked him who hurt him when he was a child. Memory is imperfect and all, but I’m reasonably sure about this.

    • DrS

      His parents were poor and depressed when he was growing up. On food stamps and perhaps other assistance for a time.

      He took all the wrong lessons from this experience.

    • sharculese

      Oh dear god, yes.

    • Kevin

      He is right wing. Look up his…debate…with California politician Gavin Newson (thing it was him) about ghettos.

      He tiptoes gently around trying to say that black people are just inherently inferior to whites, and says that isn’t what he is saying, but then why aren’t Asians in ghettos, but man, he isn’t being racist, but think about it!

      So, take the racism, and the misogyny (he released an entire book about how men need to be men and not women!), and I’d wager he is right wing.

      • Cols714

        Yeah, that was awful. I wonder why Alison Rosen puts up with it?

    • KmCO

      He’s pretty much the very model of a sexist, boorish, self-important privileged white male. If he doesn’t actively consider himself part of the conservative movement, he would certainly be right at home there.

  • James Quixotic

    Why are there no good Conservative comedians? Good comedy punches up. Authoritarians only punch down.

    • If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot smashing a human face while Rush Limbaugh laughs, forever.

      • DrS

        Wow…you’ve managed to make Orwell more chilling.

        Bravo!

        • N__B

          Orwell, like vodka, is best when chilled.

          • Hey, can we not compare great authors to inferior alcohol?

            • N__B

              Next time you visit the Albany area, swing by these guys and get some of their apple vodka. It may change your mind and if does;t you’ll be too drunk to notice.

              • Hogan

                Or spell correctly.

                • I can’t spell correctly sober.

                  So there.

              • Someone has found Nanny Ogg’s recipe for [mostly] apple scumble.

                Oo, ar!

  • JustRuss

    Conservatives haven’t done well at comedy, but they’ve had the angry white guy yelling at clouds market cornered for a long time. They should stick with what works for them.

  • TG Chicago

    I love this part of the letter:

    [L]iberals absolutely hate being mocked. They love to ridicule and deride people who think differently from them but they can’t stand it when they’re the target.

    Unlike conservatives who love being mocked and enjoy being the target of ridicule? As this very email demonstrates?

    What it actually demonstrates is that the author of this email knows that the way to get wingnuts to reach for their wallet is to say, “Give us money so we can piss off liberals!”

    When you have no actual policy for governing, I guess “Let’s piss off liberals!” is the best you can do.

  • Patricia Kayden

    So how exactly will the Media Research Center combat the Leftist, zombie-creating comedians? Comedy comes from your guts — it’s not manufactured. If there are more comedians on the Left than on the Right, that’s just because there are more insane shenanigans on the Right to make fun of. Bush’s presidency was rife with humorous incidents (mostly because we had to laugh to keep from crying).

    I can’t really think of any funny Rightwingers — they just come off as mean spirited and bitter.

  • KmCO

    Well. If this is happening EACH AND EVERY DAY, then someone had better do something about it!

  • Origami Isopod

    I guess this is as good a place to note this bit of “conservative humor” as any. On my way to work this morning I saw the bumper sticker “Spay and Neuter Liberals.”

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