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Paula Deen, a racist wistfully desiring black slaves.
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Is there a source for that other than the National Enquirer? (Which is the source the links seem to go back to, unless I am missing something?)
“Well, Your Honor. We’ve plenty of hearsay and conjecture. Those are kinds of evidence.” No, at the moment it’s just the Natl. Enquirer.
While it’s always good to be suspicious of the Enquirer, it’s not exactly a stretch for this to be accurate. You can find and read the court transcript of her lawsuit if you doubt she’s really a batshit insane racist asshole. Google Paula Deen court documents and “enjoy.”
Those documents only show what someone said that she said, as far as I can tell. (I am not a fan of Paula Deen, I am just curious about why people seem so sure she said these things based on so little evidence.)
I guess I’m not exactly sure why I should give her the benefit of the doubt rather than the plaintiff. But ok, I’ll change my statement to:
I don’t find it hard to believe the allegations that she’s a batshit insane racist asshole.
Aren’t these quotes? Quotes from a deposition? Quotes from Paula Deen’s deposition?
I don’t know what your standard of proof is for this sort of thing, but somebody admitting to stuff under oath is usually pretty good indicia of reliability. If we can kill a man for it, we certainly should be able to believe someone’s had a few racist incidents.
The quotes are supposedly from her deposition but we only have the National Enquirer’s word on this.
Not any more.
I’m sorry, but where in that link is a transcript?
On mo’ time.
Thanks, very helpful.
I would be curious for Erik to read the transcript and see if he still considers his description fair.
Just for the hell of it, why don’t you describe it for us? I’d be interested in hearing you spin this “fair.”
Okay, so her own words (according to the TPM excerpts) are not quite as terrible as portrayed but they reek of someone trying to weasel out of trouble without perjuring themself.
She denies the plaintiff’s specific allegation of using That Word. She says she’s used it derogatorily exactly once, describing a bank robber who held her at gunpoint, and that every other occasion she’s used it she was repeating overheard conversations among The Help.
If she can get an all-white jury, I like her chances.
I honestly care about less about the n-word thing than the part about the antebellum wedding. Like okay, you used the n-word, that makes you a shitty person, but, sadly, not even like an especially shitty person. But that fetishizing the aesthetic of the antebellum South. No. That is just fucked in the head.
Best investigative reporting on the planet. But go ahead, read the New York Times if you want. They get lucky sometimes
She didn’t say she wanted slaves she just said she finds slavery aesthetically pleasing. Geez, you libs will twist anything to accuse someone of racism.
And at lest she didn’t want them to wear cute little top hats with decorative pats of butter on top. That would’ve been demeaning.
i laughed so hard I snorted
Seriously. Say what you want about the tenets of colonial slavery agri-culture, but at least it’s an ethos.
thank you for that snark. after the pushback up top I read the description of the suit and her rationalizations on TPM and I wanted to vomit
After what Deen said in response (and her attempt to throw her use of the n-word on her Black employees) I have no doubt that Jackson is telling the truth about all of it.
What do you bet that the bathroom thing is one of those “cooks can only use THIS bathroom and oh, coinkydink, we only hire blacks as cooks, not front of house”? Once it was revealed that the plaintiff was a white person in a mixed race family, the suit makes more sense. Most folks I’ve met here in the South would basically not complain about something like that unless there was some sort of incident (like the toilet stopped up in the back and the owner hasn’t fixed it but then dressed somebody down for using the “nice” one–because that would be crossing the line for them). However the few white people I know who have crossed the color line are extremely sensitized to white supremacy and get PISSED about it. It’s because they have mental room to get pissed about it … only really middle class Blacks and above have room mentally to get pissed here in live oak country, and if they do, they tend to get really bitter. It’s so fucking overwhelming.
There is so much ugly racism going on in kitchens around here and the employees rarely if ever complain. I knew somebody who was facing some stuff at McDonald’s. I advised him he just needed to tape that sh*t and get it to TV news and the McDonald’s corporation would come down like a ton of bricks and that manager (the one who called him a nigger) would be the one who got fired but… he wouldn’t do it. Too scared.
Is anyone really surprised?
She’s from the deep South, older and white, wasn’t born rich, she apparently worked very hard and created a food empire, and is now very, very rich.
I don’t suppose she met an African-American woman named Mama Dip, from Chapel Hill, NC, who’s every bit as good a cook as Paula Deen – her fried chicken it TOO DIE FOR!!!!!!!!
And she has one of the most successful restaurants in town. (And I can’t help wondering if Ms. Dean has a national presence, while Ms. Dip, has a local one, because of race).
Maybe then, if she’d met Mama dip, Paula Deen might have a greater appreciation of black history, and why her comments were very offensive.
Out of all of the Food TV “Stars,” Paula Deen was always the one I like the least.
I’m not saying I could tell, but she was just SOOOOOO annoyingly Southern, that I couldn’t stand her.
If she genuinely apologizes – and I’m talking about a REAL apology, and not some “I’m sorry if my words offended anyone…,” or, “I was taken out of context…,” then I don’t wish her any ill.
And if not… Well, I’m sure you know.
“I’m sorry you people were offended by my attempt at humour”? is what I am calling for Paula Deen
Conservatives think liberals have bad ideas and liberals think conservatives are bad people.
I think this is true. Very few times do you ever try to discuss ideas.
This is ironic from the dude who normally can’t go more than a few posts without panicking and just shouting ‘queeeeeeer’ over and over.
I tune into Rush Limbaugh daily for all of the nice things he has to say about liberals.
Right – he or Ann Coulter never ever said they want liberals to be killed, for example.
Oh wait – they did.
He doesn’t mean “feminazi” in a bad way. Just a, you know, Nazi way.
an Albert Speer or Rudolf Hess Nazi way, not a Heinrich Himmler or Reinhard Heydrich way
They “some of them do it too” argument doesn’t change anything.
Someone please give him a J.O.B.!!!!
So what about the ‘you do it constantly, and with a reflexiveness that suggests it’s subconscious.’
Bear in mind, Jenny, I’m not saying you’re a hypocrite. I don’t think you’re smart enough for that. I think you’re just totally lacking in self-awareness.
*the ‘you…subconscious’ argument, obviously.
He’s a bad person with bad ideas.
Honestly, in his defense, there are certainly a lot of gays on this board. Certainly disproportionate to a general population sample. It’s like homo central.
I… can’t tell if this is tongue-in-cheek or not…
I’m totally gay for battleships, but there hasn’t been much of them around here lately.
Does liking battleships count as an orientation or a kink? I’m trying to figure out how to self-identify.
Ever notice that a lot of the Battleship blogging on the old LGM site has disappeared? We’re down to one link in the multi-part Goeben series and that’s a crying shame.
This is absolutely wrong. Just look at the post-9/11 rhetoric coming from your side for a counterargument. Look at the books / columns / blog posts from those odious people writing at The Corner. The list of examples goes on. You could look at any of them to see how wrong you are.
Not that you *will*, of course. But you could.
Au contrarire, we think Paula Dean is a person who has bad ideas. Some of us may also come to the conclusion that, as a result, she’s probably a pretty lousy person, but its not necessary to reach that conclusion to refuse to eat her horrible food or buy her revolting books.
When people talk about pancakes they almost always go into the importance of real maple syrup, but I say that the most important thing is to use real butter instead of margarine.
What the fuck did I just read?
I was genuinely surprised by what I read – not the Paula Deen stuff (awful, but not surprising) but because for some reason I think of Jezebel as being concerned with issues of feminism (in a Gawker Media pop-culture affectedly-insouciant way, but concerned with issues of feminism), and after the first couple of items the page descends into the most useless snippets of mindless celebrity gossip, nary a social issue to be seen. My misapprehension was probably because I only ever visit Jezebel when a political blogger links a piece there, but still: I was surprised.
To be fair, the article was entitled “this week in tabloids” – what exactly were you guys expecting?
That’s not in the URL, and it’s not on the page. So, no, I wasn’t expecting it.
It is a very conflicted place.
It’s a BLOG.
It’s a place for venting and attacking your perceived enemies…
So, like those times you read about Tim Tebow or hockey or whatever on LGM?
I’m not saying they can’t do this, I’m just saying it doesn’t fit my prior view of the site. That makes my prior view wrong, it doesn’t make them wrong. Still, rightly or wrongly, I’m less interested in the views of a site knowing that it unironically links to the latest effusions of the Kim Kardashian enterprise.
Oh sure. Except, if I was someone who hated football (I’m not, but still) and saw a Tebow post and became less interested in the political views of Lemiux, say, that wouldn’t be all that great of a move, right?
Tebow’s not a great example – the Tebow posts have a strong sociological/political thread to them, because he is far more a Culture Wars figure than he is a sports icon. But I take your point.
Still – and I could be wrong here, it’s just my prejudices – I have more tolerance for people who care about sports than for people who care about celebrity nonsense. And I think I probably would discount the views of someone who pushed the latter, at least to some degree.
So, Tebow *is* a more legitimate topic of discussion because he is a famous celebrity outside of just the sports world? ;)
But still, sure. You could substitute some of the anti-running back posts, if you still wanted football examples.
As for the rest. I mean, *I* care about sports than general celebrity stuff. But I doubt either is really indicative of anything whatsoever.
Hmm. I’m European, so I couldn’t care less about Tebow or any other Basketball player in the World League or whatever, but that doesn’t diminish my appreciation for the other writing that goes on around these here LGMses.
When one of the posts doesn’t interest me I just don’t read it. Radical concept, I know!
I truly think there’s a difference: if there were a great political blog that also had pro-homeopathy posts, I’d not take the great political posts as seriously. An interest in the Ksrdashians isn’t quite as pernicious or as insane, but it’s not great, either. It certainly to my mind is less worthy than sports (and I have no interest in sports, and skip the sports thread when I don’t perceive a public-policy angle or something that interests me parochially).
Yeah, but I’d think there might be some gendered stuff going on there
Oh, that goes without saying. I have almost zero interest in sports (I watch the World & European cups), but I can happily tolerate the subject.
A professed belief in pseudoscience/conspiracy theories I could not. Which is, for example, why I don’t take Bill Maher seriously (well, that and the fact he’s an asshole.)
“Gossip”… well, I guess that’d be a borderline case. I don’t really know enough about the qualities of Jezebel’s other content to really judge if it would be a deal-breaker for me.
I may not be following this thread properly, but where is the Kardashian content here?
(Never mind, I missed the switch to talking about Jezebel)
Now, if there were a blog that discussed diluting the Kardashians to one part in a billion with pure spring water I might read that.
THAT WOULD JUST MAKE THEM MORE POWERFUL
An interest in the Ksrdashians isn’t quite as pernicious or as insane, but it’s not great, either.
We have enough golden age of TV fans here to justify a little Deep Space 9 blogging.
It’s a Gawker site. Priority #1 is always going to be getting page hits.
I don’t know. At least most of the time, their mentions/discussions of Kardashian-related stuff seem plenty ironic. I come from the Midwest, where deadpan humor is prevalent, so that may be shading my interpretation.
They do the tabloids roundup once a week, so it’s not like it’s an overwhelming thing. I like it because if I see a really crazy headline on a tabloid, I can scroll through Jezebel and find out what the story is really about. The roundups do tend to call body- and slut-shaming by their real names and point out that multi-millionaresses probably are not thinking of life’s problems in the same way that tabloid readers are.
Feminism is Jezebel’s B-list friend–they’ve spent a lot of time together, but Jez won’t hesitate to kick feminism to the curb if someone more popular is available.
I am not sure we really want to know. There may not be enough brain bleach in the world.
By Cthulhu’s sacred appendages! As if I needed any additional reasons to loath her and avoid thinking about her.
That Armie Hammer interview underneath is fucking moronic. He didnt know how to behave before getting hitched, had an epiphany that sex shouldnt be about dominating someone else, and now gets a round of applause for figuring this basic shit out? Well done Armie, you’re now at the level of a 14 year old
Paula Deen is also a lunatic, by all accounts
Odd, because my takeaway was that Arnie Hammer just pissed off the BDSM community by suggesting that domination and love are incompatible.
In fairness, I only read the clip on Jezebel not the full interview..but how could that work? Was he a spokesman for the BDSM community, or was the interview directly about the BDSM community? If so, fair enough, but it wasnt sold as that..
It’s kind of like me saying, I used to think non whites were inferior, then I fell in love with someone that wasnt white, now look at me. It doesnt really add anything if it pisses of the Klan
..*who* wasnt white
What the hell? Are you actually using racism and the klan as some sort of analogy related to BDSM and the community thereof?
FFS, if someone likes pulling hair and can find someone with compatible junk who likes having their hair pulled, then rock on. Are there any other sexual practices that you consider immature and would like other consenting adults to stop participating in?
Im not really, no
To be honest I dont really care all that much, just thought that celebrating Armie Hammers smugness was a little much
Actually, you’re right dave, my apologees. Ive reconsidered and your arguments are spot on.
Drunk-commenting: never a good idea.
How about drunk posting? Uh, AFAF…
I actually wasn’t but I am now. I’ll return to this on mon to clarify
I’m sorry, I can’t stop seeing the baby chicken hawk from Foghorn Leghorn cartoons when I see that picture of Paula.
Also, really, repugnant, and racist attitudes.
This whole thing inspired some pretty funny tweets about Paula Deen’s favorite dishes, like “Pineapple Uppity-Negro-Side Down Cake.” There’s a collection of them on Salon that I’m too lazy to link to.
One of her actual recipes is Donut Bread Pudding (Krispy Kreme recommended, of course). Ingredients include 2 dozen donuts, sweetened condensed milk, 2 cans of fruit cocktail and a box of raisins. You then apparently make a Butter Rum Sauce to go on top.
Raised in Northern Virginia, I do have a certain affection for redneck food, and crazy recipes in general. But this one has always just been kind of scary – a white person’s “when keepin’ it real goes wrong.”
I think the title is completely unfair to Ms. Deen. She would eb perfectly happy with a slave of any Native American or Caribbean ancestry
Someone needs to check on Anthony Bourdain. He could easily laugh himself to death over this.
I know I am.
Somebody send it to him, then.
TPM has the actual transcript, for all you of you Enquirer-a-phobes.
Whoa! Lots of folks here are giving Dean the benefit of the doubt. Is she a Democrat or something?
Noo. It’s because people are secretly agreeing with her. As we all know, liberals are the real racists.
That would’ve been funnier if you said; “left-leaning moderates are the real..”
No, it would have been funnier if he discussed her DW-Nominate score.
Coincidentally, I recently did that joke.
Of course, when you make a parody post that is pretty much your normal post …
Well wise up Jordan…for I am almost an LGM Institution. Indeed, even my critics think I should be institutionalized.
Keep digging, you’ll hit funny one of these days.
That’s not entirely accurate – calling it a “joke” implies that it’s funny.
Deen apparently does give a lot of money to Democratic politicians. So there you go, Manju. Bore us to death with the implications of Paula Deen’s racism for the Democratic Party.
No wonder she’s trying to bargain and rationalize!
If she were GOP she would have denied everything, declared herself the victim, gone on a rampage about the “real racists”, and filed a countersuit! lolol
This is all Obama’s fault for not visiting her restaurant.
Personally, I really miss the gold old days of the Coon Chicken Inn.
See also: Ghost World.
I never had anything against Paula Deen before, though her cuisine was not always my favorite. But this creeps me out. :(
Yeah, me too.
It’s a feeble hope, but I hope she learns something.
Never watched the show; knew her mostly for lobster-butter shooters.
I couldn’t watch it anymore after she and a friend made lasagna sandwiches. That’s a slab of lasagna on half a loaf of garlic bread.
What? I mean, lasagna and garlic bread is already basically a meal, why would invent a more unwieldy way to eat it?
It wasn’t so much the meal itself as the absurdly-sized portions. The slab of lasagna itself was roughly the same length and width of an iPad. The portion of garlic bread was similarly sized.
I never had anything against Paula Deen before…
Even after seeing this?
Wait, why is my comment awaiting moderation? Because I told Manju he isn’t funny twice?
Things get caught in the filter sometimes without an obvious reason.
Just gets better – anyone spot the problem with the photo?
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