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Frank Gaffney is working his racist magic in Oklahoma, convincing the Oklahoma legislature (a willing group no doubt) to pass an anti-Sharia law by enormous margins, thus protecting the good people from Oklahoma from the impending horrors of global islamofascism or something.

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  • c u n d gulag

    Sharia Law, my @$$!!!

    Why, oh why, is no one worrying about this guy Hammurabi, who’s also from the Middle East, and his Code!?!?!?!

    And it’s not even creeping in!
    It’s ALREADY here!!

    That Kenyan Mofo and his SocialCommunoFascists in Congress already pray to him and his code every day, since his likeness is depicted in marble bas-reliefs in the chamber of the U.S. House of Representatives in the United States Capitol!!!

    The Barbarians are IN the gate!!!

    Sharia Law ain’t got nothin’ on Hamurabi’s Code!!!

    • Bill Murray

      or the Draconian Constitution. But the conservatives would probably like that. For example, any debtor whose status was lower than that of his creditor was forced into slavery. The punishment was more lenient for those owing debt to a member of a lower class. What conservative wouldn’t love that

      • firefall

        Havent we got this already?

  • Is Oklahoma known for having a large Muslim population? I’m confused.

    • There are about 30,000 Muslims in Oklahoma out of 3.7 million people or under 1% of the total population.

      • c u n d gulag

        GOP POV:
        Why can’t they all live in Deerborn, Michigan, where we can keep an eye on all of ’em?

    • Don’t you understand, MUSLIMS!!!!!!

      • c u n d gulag

        You mean, “MOOZLUMS!”, silly.

      • Pseudonym

        Damn those Muslins and their Shania Law!

        • gocart mozart

          Shania wants to make “Man, . . . feel like a woman.”

          Freakin’ gay Muslim agenda

    • I used to be confused by this as well, then I started reading more right wing sites and dipping in on Alex Jones occasionally. It’s not that they’re worried about the tiny number of Muslims in the Sooner State. For them, “sharia” is a kind of enforced special status for Muslims that they think exists in crazy Blue states and foreign countries. When they legislate against “sharia”, what they think they’re saying is that no damn federal government or UN treaty can force them to allow, say, a Muslim father to forbid his daughter to leave the house or something like that.

      It’s all right in the bill:

      http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2013-14%20AMENDMENTS/Amendment%20&%20Engr/HB1060%20SAHB%20&%20ENGR.PDF

      “Any court, arbitration, tribunal, or administrative agency
      ruling or decision shall violate the public policy of this state and be void and unenforceable if the court, arbitration, tribunal, or administrative agency bases its rulings or decisions in the matter at issue in whole or in part on foreign law that would not grant the parties affected by the ruling or decision the same fundamental liberties, rights, and privileges granted under the U.S. and Oklahoma Constitutions, including but not limited to due process,freedom of religion, speech, or press, and any right of privacy or marriage as specifically defined by the Constitution of this state.”

      The word “Sharia” isn’t even in the damn thing, but it doesn’t need to be if you listen to Limbaugh or Alex Jones. They hear horror stories from Europe where some kind of religious law can be applicable in civil suits and hear that “sharia” is supplanting the existing legal system and that this is only the beginning. It’s closely related to Agenda 21, “Amero” type paranoia, and it’s the same reason they howled about that toothless UN arms vote this week. Their worried that their sovereignty and rights are going to be eroded and then stripped away.

      • DocAmazing

        That doesn’t accord well with their entire “religious freedom” argument w.r.t. same-sex marriage or reproductive freedom. Muslim dad restricting the choices of his daughter=bad; Christian legislature (or Christian dad) restricting the choices of someone’s (his) daughter=good?

        • Intellectual consistency is for leftists and tortured souls like Bobo and Chunky Bobo.

        • gocart mozart

          What part of Christian religion freedom do you not understand?

      • Caroline Abbott

        The bill’s author, Rep. Sally Kern, also introduced an anti-Agenda 21 bill this year. Unfortunately, she has no idea how to draft a bill to achieve her goals, so HB1412 reads “the state and all political subdivisions of the state shall not enter any agreement, expend any sum of money, receive funds contracting services or give financial aid to or from any nongovernmental or intergovernmental organizations accredited or enlisted by the United Nations.” Among the organizations accredited by the UN: The American Conservative Union, Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, Concerned Women for America, D.A.R.E., Drug Free America Foundation, Eagle Forum, Family Research Council, Focus on the Family, and the Heritage Foundation.

        Also, these dangerous organizations: AARP, Rotary International, Soroptomists, Kiwanis, the American Bar Association, N.A.A.C.P., the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, Girl Scouts U.S.A., Goodwill Industries, Institute of Internal Auditors, National Association of Realtors, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, Nature Conservancy, and the World LP Gas Association.

      • Reilly

        Their worried that their sovereignty and rights are going to be eroded and then stripped away.

        Except probably not worried so much if maybe a trade deal is negotiated that could allow an international court to overrule U.S. law and regulations for the benefit of multinational corporations. Then sovereignty and rights magically become impediments and barriers.

        • Incontinentia Buttocks

          Actually, the (otherwise very conservative) business community hates this legislation for just this reason. But the GOP out here is getting ever more divorced from reality.

          (Though apparently not divorced enough for the Sooner Tea Party, whose leader was just indicted for attempting to blackmail a GOP State Legislator into getting an anti-Agenda 21 measure heard.)

          • Reilly

            That’s a great story. Gotta love that the guy thinks making or-else demands = “political advocacy”.

    • DrDick

      Well, there is this guy from Ponca City, where my sister lives. There are a surprising number there working in the oil industry or who came to go to school at the University of Oklahoma, which has a world class engineering program.

    • Anonymous

      I’m thinking you and others here are laboring under a misapprehension about how the thinking behind this sort of nonsense goes.

      Okay, Farley at least lives in a decidedly dumb state, but in an actual university setting, creating something of a deflector field effect. I, in contrast, live in a place which is, if not actually the dumbest, is incontestably high up on the list of every reasonably informed person.

      I’m here to bear witness to the fact that the folks among whom I and my family live and walk and work and play are simply unable to fold that status into their sense of themselves and so their environs. They’d tell you yer Islamofascist conspiracy is worse than them commies Reagan whipped a generation ago, and that folks, certainly folks in blue states, are living alongside denial. They consider places like New York, California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Minnesota and Vermont to be populated by folks without a lick of sense, and places like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan to be embroiled in death struggle of apocalyptic dimensions. They figure it’s their DUTY as PATRIOTS to point the way to liberty, so that folks who live elsewhere at least can take hope from hearing The Truth.

      It’s not exactly the ‘too ignorant and insensible to know are’ phenomenon, but given how few people actually sustain and abiding interest and involvement in local politics, it’s indistinguishable.

  • I am confused how this work. Sharia is just Islamic law. But, since the US and Oklahoma are already secular states with no established religion as per the first and fourteenth amendments the imposition of any set of religious based laws including Sharia is already unconstitutional. Or is this law to prevent Sharia from being the basis for private contracts among individuals such as might be involved in Islamic banking or a Muslim marriage? In which case I think it would itself violate the first and fourteenth amendments. Can somebody explain exactly what the law would do and how it would pass constitutional muster?

    • Barry Freed

      Or is this law to prevent Sharia from being the basis for private contracts among individuals such as might be involved in Islamic banking or a Muslim marriage?

      This is what I suspect. In NY state Islamic law is taken into account with regard to family law matters such as marriage (as is Jewish law).

    • c u n d gulag

      J. Otto,
      C’mon, you know that the ONLY religion that is Constitutional, is Christianity.
      And then, none of those damn Liberal denominations!!!

      On a serious note,
      It doesn’t make a lick of sense, but then, what the hell does, coming out of modern Conservatives?

      All I’m sure of, is that Gaffney’s trying to keep drumming-up fear of “The Other,” particularly, now that the USSR brand of Communism is dead, and China’s accepted – and we owe them money – MOOZLUMS!!!

      I’m sure there’s some money he’s grifting somewhere.

      For Conservatives, FEAR is a wallet-jerk reaction.
      Tap it, and they open their wallets.

      • I think you mean post-modern conservatives. I am a modern conservative and I have a Muslim wife. I also remember when people like Ronald Reagan stressed the similarities between Christians and Muslims regarding common values in the struggle against the Soviets in Afghanistan. Islam is after all in many ways much closer theologically to Christianity than is Judaism or any other religion.

        • I also remember when people like Ronald Reagan stressed the similarities between Christians and Muslims regarding common values in the struggle against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

          And that worked out so well for everyone!

    • SteveHinSLC

      I think there may be a legitimate constitutional argument for provisions like this.

      Some insular religious communities rely on their own internal procedures to resolve legal disputes among their members. I believe this is done in some Orthodox or ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities in New York, for example.

      And these decisions can have legal effect as between the parties. Under state and federal arbitration acts, parties can agree to submit their dispute to arbitration – in this case, the arbitrator would be the rabbi or a religious council or whatever. Ruling by an arbitrator will be enforced by a court unless a dissatisfied party shows that the arbitrator was biased, or refused to allow a fair proceeding, or something like that. It is very hard to persuade a court to vacate an arbitrator’s ruling, even if that arbitrator makes his decision based on religious law.

      Of course, the fact that there *can* be a legitimate justification for some kind of law like this doesn’t mean that the law actually is justified. The anti-Sharia law is bigotry and xenophobia, plain and simple.

    • I’m also confused as to what exactly the law is supposed to do. If somebody fasts during Ramadan you can arrest them? Is saying “As-Salaam Alaikum” going to get you a ticket? Is wearing hijab illegal? I mean, if someone executed somebody else for adultery or whatever under the auspices of Sharia that would already be a crime.

      • “Is wearing hijab illegal?”

        No, but they are worried that someone might use religious law to, say, be able to force people to veil in public. It’s not about “sharia” or whatever being there now, it’s about them worrying that “sharia” will somehow supplant the legal code because of excessive religious tolerance, some federal mandate, or some such nonsense.

        Remember that little panic a few weeks ago in Tennessee when they thought the janitor’s mop sink was a Muslim foot washing device? Same deal. They thought some weird regulation about “respecting Islam” or something had forced the great and sovereign state of Tennessee to install fixtures in the bathrooms that were for Muslims.

    • gocart mozart

      Don’t use logic Otto, or you will never understand American conservatives.

      • I thought I was an American conservative? I don’t think anybody would mistake me for a liberal or a socialist. I also happen to have a Muslim wife.

        Will this bill ban state agencies from approving the sale of halal food? Say somebody has a cafe that sells only halal food will the state of Oklahoma be required to deny it the necessary permits to operate because that would be sanctioning sharia regarding food preparation?

    • wengler

      You’re thinking too deep.

      Sharia law = Muslims = bad.

      • Sharia = Islamic Law = A very broad category of religious based law with a number of different schools and interpretations.

        • efgoldman

          But, see, you’re actually thinking it through, with logic, and a consideration of consequences. Assuming that any kind of thought process exists in these various state legislatures is a fool’s errand.

      • UserGoogol

        Not exactly. There are much easier ways to discriminate against Muslims without panicking about creeping Sharia. As elaborated above, this does seem to be more a manifestation of conservative paranoia about assaults to “American sovereignty” in general, which is flavored by the fact that Muslims are considered the latest iteration of scary foreigners to be worried about. Now, you could very rightly point out that the obsession with sovereignty has a touch of racism to it, but it’s not so direct as just “fuck Muslims.”

  • Major Kong

    The only problem Oklahoma has with Sharia is that it’s the wrong brand of theocracy.

    • c u n d gulag

      BINGO!!!

    • wengler

      Hey now, they made exceptions in the bill for corporations.

  • somethingblue

    Keeps ’em busy, I guess. Idle hands and all.

  • Good. Now I’m sure they get right to work on ban on laws with a basis in Judeo-Christian theology.

  • joe from Lowell

    “It is the case, however, that those who embrace and submit to Sharia and insist on, according to its doctrine, making the rest of us submit to it, are a danger.”

    Right, sure they are. Truly, a terrible danger. They’re even more of a danger than the Church of Satan, but slightly less than the Boy Scouts.

  • Data Tutashkhia

    Actually, Sharia is much closer to Judaism than Christianity is.

    • Davis X. Machina

      Or closer to Footloose

  • PSP

    The article says:

    the measure would prohibit the application of foreign laws when it would violate either the Oklahoma Constitution or U.S. Constitution. Senate amendments were added, stating that Oklahoma residents may not subject themselves to foreign laws, but corporations, partnerships or limited liability companies, business associations and other legal entities are exempt and may choose to subject themselves to foreign law.

    Even on comity or choice of law principals, I can’t see any court enforcing unconstitutional laws. A choice of law provision putting an individual under foreign law would probably violate public policy. Would this actually change anything?

  • Informant

    Nitpick: The bill is bigoted, but not racist, since Muslims can be of any racial or ethnic group.

    • Carbon Man Bot

      The “anti-shiara” crowd think Muslims are all brown and/or Arabic. Tell them about the Circassians and they’ll think you’re talking about an ethnic group that has weird views on male genital modification.

      • DocAmazing

        Circassians? You mean like Kim and Khloe?

      • I thought the Circassians were getting a lot of media play in the US recently, especially in NJ where they have a large diaspora, due to the upcoming Sochi Olympics?

        • efgoldman

          Aren’t Circassians the warrior race with the big necks and shoulders, and chain mail shirts, from Star Trek TNG?

          • No Circassians are one of the indigenous people of the North Caucasus. They usually call themselves Adyghe. In the 1860s the Russian government pursued a ruthless campaign of genocide against them. They were slaughtered and driven from their homeland into the Ottoman Empire where most of the died. The survivors formed important and influential diasporas in Syria, Jordan, Palestine, and Turkey. Sochi was part of the Circassian homeland until the genocide and there is an international movement by the various diaspora groups in solidarity with those still living in the Russian Federation to protest holding the Olympics on their graves. If you want to read about the Circassians I recommend the work of my friend Walt Richmond at Occidental College.

        • Carbon Man Bot

          Not that I could tell, J. Otto, except perhaps in the NYT.

          In the course of my research I discovered what you’re talking about.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adyghe_people#Controversy_surrounding_alleged_desecration_of_Adyghe_mass_graves

          The Olympic facilities in Sochi (once the Circassian capital)[2] are being built in areas that are claimed to contain mass graves of Adyghe who were killed during ethnic cleansing by Russia in military campaigns lasting from 1860 to 1864.[citation needed]

          Adyghe organizations in Russia and the Adyghe diaspora around the world have requested that the construction at the site would stop and that the Olympics games would not be held at the site of the Adyghe genocide to prevent the desecration of the Adyghe graves.[citation needed] According to Iyad Youghar, who heads the lobby group International Circassian Council: “we want the athletes to know that if they compete here they will be skiing on the bones of our relatives.”[2]

          If the allegations are true, it would be like erecting a soccer field at Auschwitz, or turning what was the Chapei Civilian Relocation camp near Shanghai into a tennis complex.

    • Hogan

      I knew you’d be along.

    • Religious groups can easily be racialized. The whole history of anti-semitism in Europe as well as the more recent ethnic cleansing of Bosnian Muslims is about the racialization of non-Christian groups in Europe on the basis of ancestral religion.

  • Shakezula

    Viva la GOP outreach!

    I am sure Muslims in OK and the rest of the U.S. won’t take this personally. Just as I am sure there will be no unpleasantness such as might be caused when violent fucknuggets decide the state lege has just greenlighted a long planned mosque torching.

    peefuckingess Any suggestion that Christofascist arseholes embody the biggest threat to Democracy since the Brits is meeeeaaaan nasty religious persecution, waaaah!

    Pss I would like these people to die in hot fires while being fucked in the face by a dragon.

    • Davis X. Machina

      Viva la GOP outreach!

      100% of 40% of the voting-age population is enough to win elections.

      Enraged minorities, apathetic majorities, and ever-tightening restrictions on voting…. you could stay in power forever in a lot of states that way, and be competitive nation-wide.

  • DrDick

    Have to admire their tenacity. These asshats already tried this once and the courts rejected it.

    • Incontinentia Buttocks

      We pass so many unconstitutional laws in Oklahoma that, as a joke, a Democratic State Rep proposed a bill that would give Oklahoma taxpayers the opportunity to donate some of their tax refund to a fund that would pay federal court costs to defend these idiotic laws. But, incapable of telling parody from reality, the Republican majority passed the bill by an overwhelming majority.

      • efgoldman

        You live there? You poor bastard.

        • Incontinentia Buttocks

          Setting politics aside, it’s not a bad place to live, all things considered (then again, I live in Norman…I’d feel differently if I were in, say, Muskogee or Lawton).

      • DrDick

        What the hell happened in the 26 years since I left? There have always been a full measure of troglodytes, whackaloons, and the like (John Monks comes to mind) in the legislature, but there was always a plurality of at least marginally sane and sentient beings to avoid this kind of insanity.

        • Incontinentia Buttocks

          The Democratic Party (which as recently as eight years ago controlled both houses of the state legislature for all but four years in the state’s history) has, essentially, completely collapsed. And the Republican Party, which used to have a relatively sentient business-wing, has been largely taken over by teabaggers (though the GOP’s rather bitter internal divisions, between the merely crazy right and the batshit looney right, actually keep it from accomplishing as much harm as it would like).

        • Caroline Abbott

          What happened? The Southern Strategy, “right to work”, term limits on legislators (leaving law making to lobbyists), consolidation of agriculture into factory farms, the rise of privatization (especially in the prison “industry”), and the flight of the oil and information technology industries. When they left the state they took with them a lot of educated, middle class management level people who had a good grasp of social responsibility and public interest.

          I live in Tulsa, a city that — like Norman — is qualitatively different from much of the rest of the state. Not entirely different:a more rabid tea party candidate (Jim Bridenstine) beat slightly less crazy tea party candidate (John Sullivan) in the 1st Congressional District Republican primary. Still, a nice place to live in general.

          • DrDick

            the flight of the oil and information technology industries.

            I think that may be the key, right there. I grew up in Bartlesville (where my son currently lives) and went to graduate school at OU. I have seen the impacts on Bartlesville from that exodus.

            • Caroline Abbott

              Sorry that you had to find a non-OK place to settle, but I’m glad that some offspring of clear thinkers still remain. Kudos to your son. Bartlesville’s been through a lot, and with the Phillips/Conoco identity shifts it’s lost a lot of good people. A significant layer of professionals have left as well, or at least not been replaced as they’ve retired or died because the pool of potential clients can’t support them. As long as college and graduate school costs increase student debt load, I can’t see much change in the near future.

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