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O.J. In Pretoria?


As most of you know, Oscar Pistorius killed his girlfriend.   His explanation — that he fired 4 shots though a closed bathroom door because he thought there was in intruder behind it — is both 1)implausible in the extreme (sure, whenever I hear someone in a bathroom with the door closed in a house I share with someone, I just assume it’s an intruder stealing my toenail clippers and toilet bowl cleaner, and start firing bullets) and 2)not particularly exculpatory even if true (when you make no effort to ascertain the person you’re shooting at isn’t your partner and it turns out to be your partner, that you thought it was an intruder with no basis at best would seem to make it second rather than first degree murder.)

And, yet, because the investigation appears to have been heavily botched by a lead investigator who is “facing seven charges of attempted murder himself,” he may well get away with it.

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  • ploeg

    Highly unlikely that Pistorius gets away with anything. It’s ridiculous to say that the defense is punching holes in the case when everybody agrees that Pistorius shot his girlfriend through the bathroom door. The only dispute is whether it was justified, and it’s clearly not.

    This guy is the only one to get away with anything in this case.

    • herr doktor bimler

      The only dispute is whether it was justified, and it’s clearly not.

      The original lead investigator reckons that shooting blindly at people is justified when it’s a matter of the multiple charges he’s facing.

      • Indeed. He’s not in charge anymore though.

    • R. Porrofatto

      Small point of clarity here: he didn’t shoot through the bathroom door. He was already in the bathroom and shot through the door of the separately enclosed toilet. (Details here)

      His story sounds hardly credible, and even his carefully worded (and apparently lawyerly crafted) affidavit smells very fishy. For example, one minute he’s competently mobile without his artificial legs, removing a fan from the balcony, and the next he’s in pulling a trigger out of fear for his life because of legless immobility, and so on. If he’s telling the truth then he joins the ranks of our own trigger-happy gun nuts, piss-soaked cowards who reflexively shoot the bogeymen in their heads before noticing who the bullets are actually killing.

      • poco

        That Guardian link is very good. Thanks.

      • Richard

        So was the door glass or wood?

        • Richard

          Also, when he is walking without the blades, does he use crutches?

          • JohnTh

            Having met Oscar Pistorius (who, as most people seem to agree, comes across as a great guy in public situations – courteous and self-deprecating) I can report that he normally walks on more standard prosthetic legs – when he’s wearing pants and shoes you can’t tell his lower legs are missing, other than in a slight stiffness in his walk – he definitely had no crutches when I met him. His blades are for sport only (hence the dispute a few years ago that they constituted artificial aids rather than an accomodation for disability).

            • Richard

              He says he did not have on his blades when he fired the shots. Does that mean he was wearing normal prosthetic legs or no prosthetics at all (and, if the latter, I’m assuming he needs crutches to walk?).

              • elm

                I read somewhere that he walked on the stumps of his legs (the articles words, not mine.) I’ve seen people without legs do this before, so crutches may not have been necessary even if he wasn’t wearing any prothesis.

                • Richard

                  That makes sense (and also explains why a forensic report about the angle of the shots may shed light on whether he was using prosthetic legs or not when the shots were fired)

      • mpowell

        His story sounds pretty fishy to me, but artificial legs that can help you remove a fan from a balcony are a totally different thing than dealing with a dangerous intruder. It is plausible that you would have enough mobility to do the former but also be significantly more fearful than an able bodied person in the latter case.

    • Richard

      The defense is arguing that the crime at most is negligent homicide which appears to not require jail time in South Africa. Since he’s been granted bail, defense counsel did exactly what they hoped to do and has convinced a judge that, at least at this stage, there is insufficient evidence of premeditated murder.

      • Richard

        Turns out that South Africa doesn’t have first and second degree murder and manslaughter. They have premeditated murder (where the sentence is 25 years but can be more or less if there is a showing of exceptional circumstances) and culpable homicide (where there is no minimum but a maximum of 25 years). So its very possible that Pistorious walks or is given almost no time in jail if his story is believed.

        Also there are no jury trials in South Africa. Either a single judge or a judge assisted by two layman try criminal cases.

  • Kurzleg

    I thought I’d heard that there was also a bloodied cricket bat and physical evidence of a beating on top of the gunshots. Or was that misreported?

    • ploeg

      There might have been a cricket bat taken during the investigation, but Steenkamp was not beaten before the shooting.

    • Richard

      Absolutely no physical evidence of beating. There was a cricket bat – he claims he got it to smash open the bathroom door after he realized he may have shot his girlfriend. Prosecution claims there was blood on the bat but, as far as I know, no forensic report yet on the bat. A little bit of blood on the bat may be compatible with the story Pistorious is telling.

      I agree with Scott that the story is implausible but dont know enough about South African law to opine whether he’s liable for second degree murder if the story is believed.

      • somewhere over the past few days, when i’ve been traveling, i came across a discussion of south african murder conviction rates, and for a number of reasons, it’s extremely low. if i have time later, i’ll try to track the reference down.

      • commie atheist

        Why would you lock the door of the bathroom when you wake up in the middle of the night to pee, and the only other person in the house is your boyfriend?

        • Richard

          Two conceivable reasons. For some persons, its almost instinctual.

          Its also conceivable, although not likely, that the first bullet missed her and she locked it before the other three were fired.

        • John

          So your boyfriend doesn’t accidentally walk in on you peeing? Obviously not everyone cares about that, but surely it’s not wildly uncommon.

        • Jon Hendry

          I’ve occasionally locked the door when I’m the only one in my apartment. It’s a habit.

          Also, she may not have reached the point in the relationship where she’d be okay with him walking in while she’s taking a dump.

        • I lock the door of my bathroom when I use it, and I’m a six-foot male living alone. It’s just a matter of habit.

          • LeftWingFox

            Same here.

            My parents moved into a house where the upstairs bathroom doesn’t have a lock. It’s slightly unnerving.

    • janastas359

      I heard something similar – and that Steenkamp’s skull was crushed.

      • Richard

        Not true. The officer testified that she suffered no damage other than the gun shots. Not even scratches, etc that might be indicative of a struggle.

      • janastas359

        I stand corrected

      • Incontinentia Buttocks

        If the skull was hit, you must acquit!

    • Jon Hendry

      Some newspaper reported that, but it was clearly just a rumor.

      Had there been evidence of a beating, I’m sure they would have mentioned that during the bail hearing.

      The cricket bat may have had blood on it, but if it was used to bash open the door to the toilet stall after the shooting, I would think there’d have been plenty of blood around. If he dropped the cricket bat after breaking the door down, it could have been bloodied by landing in blood on the floor.

      If Steenkamp was shot in the head, someone might have seen the blood-matted hair and leapt to conclusions.

  • cpinva

    part of the story left out, per the bail hearing:

    1. SA is apparently (per the media) quite a dangerous country, with home intrusions less common than before, but still a possibility.

    2. the bathroom has an unblocked window, so i suppose it’s conceivable, if someone made it into the heavily gated community, they could have broken in through the bathroom window.

    that said, who starts blasting away, through a closed, inside door, without first checking to find out who might be on the other side first?

    3. defense counsel seems to have at least slightly shredded the lead detective on the case, along with the statement of an “ear” witness who, from 600 meters (2,000 feet) away, claims to have heard arguing, prior to the shooting. it turns out, she only heard one voice, and couldn’t actually tell who’s it was.

    at present, no forensic evidence supporting the state’s case has been presented in court, during the bail hearing. sure, he did it, but it was dark, he couldn’t see (except to find his gun), it might have been a burglar. heck, this could happen to anyone!

    • Anonymous

      Did the prosecution bring the ear witness into play or was this a media thing? I would hope the prosecution wouldn’t enter this sort of evidence.

      • Richard

        Prosecution did it. The officer testified he heard from neighbors who heard shouting. Neighbor was 2000 feet away (although the officer than said she may have only been 1000 feet away)

        Its sort of a weird hearing. A two day evidentiary hearing regarding bail to see if there is sufficient evidence of premeditated murder. If there is, bail is always denied. Prosecution tried to put in a bunch of suspect evidence. Cop testifed that there were PEDs in the apartment but then admitted that he really hadn’t read the labels on the bottles and that they could have been legal organic supplements.

        • Cody

          He must be using PEDs! I can’t think of any other reason for the guy to have prescription pills…

          • Jon Hendry

            Supposedly they were injectable herbal something or other.

            Apparently such things do exist.

    • Richard

      They’re still waiting to get forensic evidence back – mainly reports on the trajectory of the bullets. That could be very important since he claims he was not wearing his blades when he shot through the door and the police believe that the trajectory of the bullets will show that he was wearing them.

      • Bill Murray

        also that he might have aimed at the toilet area

    • Jon Hendry

      Also the “ear” witness was supposed to have heard six shots, when only four were fired.

    • STH

      I don’t understand why, when he say he’s so fearful of burglars, the window was open and there was a ladder left up against the building. His story makes no sense.

  • rea

    If this had happened in the US–well, I could easily imagine one of our domestic gun nuts shooting a family member through a locked bathroom door under the impression he was dealing with a burglar.

    • Eggomaniac

      Here in the Cracker State (Florida), a white guy could pretty much just claim that he felt threatened.

      Black women, on the other hand, not so much.

      • spencer

        Yeah, it’s a pretty backward state. Thing is, I don’t remember it being *this* bad when I moved here – it’s always been weird, I will grant you, but it wasn’t until the Bush years that I really noticed it getting scary-weird on a regular basis.

        • Loud Liberal

          You should have been in Miami in 1980.

          • spencer

            I didn’t get here until ’84, but I think I take your point.

    • BigHank53

      Does shooting an 8-year-old in a skunk costume count?

      How about plugging your own granddaughter?

      • LeeEsq

        Reason infinity on why the good guy with guns argument is bunk.

        • Coconino


  • Seitz

    On a related note

    PRETORIA, SOUTH AFRICA—Over a week after Paralympic athlete Oscar Pistorius’ arrest for the alleged murder of his girlfriend, the burglar hiding inside the sprinter’s shower decided that now was probably his best chance to make his getaway from the residence. “Well, I guess the coast is finally clear,” said the 35-year-old robber…

  • Josh G.

    Don’t these kind of accidental shootings happen all the time in the US? If I recall correctly, someone who buys a gun for personal protection is substantially more likely to mistake a family member for an intruder and shoot them.

    • Jon Hendry

      Yes. And apparently there have been a few times when he has grabbed his gun to investigate things that turned out to be nothing.

      And he goes to the shooting range some times when he can’t sleep.

  • Aloysius

    Some years ago, I took a course on self-defense and gun safety as part of a journalistic assignment. The instructor taught exactly how to respond to the intruder in the night fear. One person takes the shotgun, and the first thing that person does is a bed check.

    One week later, there was a big commotion downstairs at 3 AM in our less than perfectly safe neighborhood.

    A bed check revealed two teenaged boys missing. Apparently, they’d left the back door open when they’d slipped out to howl at the moon under a maiden’s window. Several beagles had accepted the invitation and were playing chase all over the house.

    Slipping back into the yard, the lads heard me chunking shells out of the shotgun, decided there must be a home invasion burglary in progress, and fled headlong into the night. Police stopped them running pell mell down the street and brought them home.

  • commie atheist

    Haven’t been following this case too closely, but I seem to recall that there were reports of Pistorius having been accused of domestic violence in the past (not sure if it was with this girlfriend or a previous one), but none of the stories I’ve read lately have mentioned this.

    • rea

      In ’09, he was charged with assault for slamming a door on his then-girlfriend. He claimed it was an accident, and the charges were dropped. Far from clear that there was anything to that.

      • commie atheist

        Thanks. A few other incidents here, but apparently nothing egregious, at least nothing that’s publicly known.

      • Jon Hendry

        I don’t think she was his girlfriend. She was a 19 year old who wouldn’t leave his party.

  • Incontinentia Buttocks

    The only answer for Bad Paralympians with Guns is Good Paralympians with Guns!

  • I understand midnight diarrhea happens.

    I also understand the need to defend oneself.

    What I don’t understand is the liberal position that Paralympians shouldn’t have the right to defend themselves from people with midnight diarrhea.

    • Duh, the defense is ORANGE SPRAY.

    • Pee Cee

      When midnight diarrhea is outlawed, only outlaws will nave midnight diarrhea.

      • LeeEsq

        I can live with this.

        • janastas359

          First they came for the midnight diarrhea…

          • STH

            They can have it.

      • Bill Murray

        There have been some nights I was wanted dead or alive, then

      • slightly_peeved

        If she had the shits, you must acquit!

        I’ll get my coat.

  • Daragh McDowell

    While I agree the overall story is improbable, I’m also not a disabled man, high profile, wealthy man living in a country with one of the highest murder rates in the world.

    • Jameson Quinn

      I’m not disabled or famous, but I do live in one of the most dangerous cities in the world, and my step-father-in-law in a house less than a block away has gotten credible death threats (he’s a human rights lawyer). And this story seems just as improbable to me. At unlikely best, he was criminally stupid.

      • elm

        Right. Even if everything Pistorius is saying is the gods-honest truth, he has to be guilty of negligent homicide at the very least (or whatever equivalent S.A. has.)

    • ploeg

      People don’t typically break into homes and murder the inhabitants thereof. Murders are typically done to people that you know.

      And even in countries that have high murder and crime rates, the murders and crime are typically concentrated in cities. The main danger in gated communities (such as the one in which Pistorius lived) is being shot by some paranoid roid-raging asshole. Not to prejudge the situation or anything, but….

  • bargal20

    I’m still shaking my head at the idea of a lead investigator who’s facing 7 charges of attempted murder. Either they’re severely shorthanded in that city, or they’ve got a hell of a police union.

    • rea

      Several police officers shoot up a van containing 7 people for allegedly failing to stop when ordered. Officers claim they were shooting at the tires. Charges dropped, then reinstated after lead officer draws publicity in connection with Pistorius case. If you don’t think that could happen here, you haven’t been paying attention . . .

      • What happened to those LAPD officers? I’m thinking the part that would strain credulity in the US would be the thought of police officers facing attempted murder charges, moreso than officers who had likely committed attempted murder still being on the force.

        • Richard

          Investigation still going on. The officers involved have been suspended (with pay) pending the investigation.

          • bargal20

            See? The officers in LA aren’t out there investigating murders. Charges against Botha had been reinstated for two days but he was still on duty. It’s insane.

      • bargal20

        I’m not in the USA, so there’s that…

      • Mike Schilling

        It was a green van full of black women, so naturally they thought it was Dorner.

        • ruviana


          • Richard

            It was a truck with two Latina women

  • I took the headline to have a different meaning because I am already long past my tolerance for this story eating up airtime, especially on BBC World Service. This thing about the cop has been the lead story all day, and is currently above the bombing in Damascus (32 dead), two bombs in Hyderabad (12 dead, so far), Iran crowing about centrifuges, and that soccer match fixing guy with (but apparently not arrested yet) by the Singapore police, all of which are of far more consequence to far more people than whether or not Pistorius goes to prison for this.

    The irony is that the other night they read a comment from someone in Africa that went something like this:

    Please BBC, there are many more important stories in Africa you could be covering besides Pistorius.

    Then the BBC host said something like, “Well, there certainly seems to be a lot of news interest in Pistorius” and went right back to godawful O.J. style coverage. It was as awful as anything CNN has ever done.

    • Pee Cee

      I am already long past my tolerance for this story eating up airtime, especially on BBC World Service.

      Quoted for truth. I’m getting sick of the global news podcast (and thus my drives to and from work) being half-Pistorius. I don’t need full-time coverage of a bail hearing, thank you very much.

    • Leeds man

      Well at least no one has been driven to suicide yet.

    • Marek


    • Sharon

      I think the World Sevice is hoping for a slow motion blade chase!


  • David Hunt

    I believe that I heard a news report saying that his girlfriend did not live with him but was simply sleeping there that night. I don’t think that this invalidates anything that you wrote as I’d have to learn that Oscar Pistorius had some strange sleep disorder before I’d be likely to consider giving his preposterous story much credence.

  • pete

    From a fairly well-placed South African friend:

    In the court of public opinion he is already down and out. His explanation is very difficult to accept as being anywhere near the truth. There is a further problem in that recent amendments to the law make him guilty of both reckless endangerment, culpable homicide, and possibly murder: you or another person have to be in clear and imminent danger of death or serious injury before you can lawfully discharge a firearm. Firing through a locked door gives you no reason to shoot in law.

    The problem is further exacerbated by the fact that he is apparently a thoroughly obnoxious person – there have been previous accusations of violence against women, drunk in charge of a speedboat, and similar brattish behaviour. The brattishness and sense of entitlement encapsulated in his rant against the Brazilian who beat him in the men’s final at the London Olympics.

    His defence team is doing very well in throwing up mountains of dust in his bail application, but whether it will secure his release prior to the trial remains to be seen; and whether his guilt will fail to be proven is also moot.

    • pete

      You gotta like that “clear and imminent danger” clause. This is all I know about it.

    • Richard

      There will be a decision on bail tomorrow. From what I’ve read about the hearing, I wont be surprised if he is granted bail.

      It does appear, though, that some of the early press reports were wrong. One said that the police had been called to the apartment earlier in the evening because of a domestic disturbance. No evidence of that was provided at the hearing (and surely would have been if it had occurred). Also the accounts of prior violence against women turns out to be a single accusation of slamming a door after a verbal altercation with a girlfriend with no charges being brought.

      His story, of course, is very improbable. However, the idea that he would have a verbal fight with his girlfriend, that she would lock herself in the bathroom and that he would then go get his gun and shoot at her four times through the bathroom door is pretty weird as well.

      • catclub

        “pretty weird as well.”

        ‘roid rage?

      • Ed

        However, the idea that he would have a verbal fight with his girlfriend, that she would lock herself in the bathroom and that he would then go get his gun and shoot at her four times through the bathroom door is pretty weird as well.

        Why? Pistorius seems to have a rather low boiling point. That doesn’t make him capable of murder, but it’s easy to imagine the fight intensifying in tension and Steenkamp sensing something that made her sufficiently frightened to try to get away from him. And her “gun enthusiast” boyfriend just happens to have a weapon handy. It could be that he’s just homicidally irresponsible and stupid, but I doubt it. We’ll know more soon, obviously, and the media is plainly ready to share it with us.

        • Richard

          I’m not saying it didn’t happen (and it seems less weird than the intruder explanation he is offering). But even if he is a high strung guy and she got nervous and locked herself in the bathroom, how many times are murders committed by shooting at someone through a wooden door? Its a very strange way to commit murder.

          • sparks

            I think you have insufficient imagination and/or have never seen someone in a fit of rage.

            • Richard

              I will confess that I have never seen anyone fire a gun in a fit of rage at another person, either through a door or not.

              But I can’t recall a murder case I’ve read about where the murderer fired through a door to kill his victim. I’m sure it has happened but I can’t remember any

              As I said above, I’m not saying its impossible and I’m not denying that this is what happened, only stating that this is a pretty weird and fairly unusual scenario.

        • cpinva

          apparently, he slept with the gun under his bed:

          “And her “gun enthusiast” boyfriend just happens to have a weapon handy.”

      • Jon Hendry

        ” a single accusation of slamming a door after a verbal altercation with a girlfriend with no charges being brought.”

        Well, a girl. Not sure if it was a girlfriend, or, as I saw her described, a girl who wouldn’t leave his party.

    • Bill Murray

      he also had some illegal ammunition IIRC

      • Richard

        He had some .38 ammunition but no permit for a .38 so the ammunition was illegal under South African law. Not sure that this says much about anything. He didn’t use a .38 to shoot the bullets that killed her.

        • cpinva

          according to reports, the .38 ammunition belonged to his father, but was, for some unspecified reason, being kept at pistorios’ house.

          “He had some .38 ammunition but no permit for a .38 so the ammunition was illegal under South African law.”

          • Jon Hendry

            A NY Times story last year said that he didn’t have much to do with his father, who lives in another part of the country and owns a mine. (Pistorius’s mother died years ago and his parents were divorced.)

            So it’s a little odd that he had his father’s bullets. Unless maybe they bond by shooting together at the local range.

            • cpinva

              people have bonded in weirder ways.

              “Unless maybe they bond by shooting together at the local range.”

              frankly, the whole thing is weird. aside from him being a physically disabled runner, who uses the “blades”, i don’t know that much about the guy, and probably never would have, absent this tragedy. his gf, from all i’ve read, was not only a hottie, but a genuinely nice person. both families seem to be in shock over the whole thing, which i can’t blame them.

            • ecurb

              Or just, you know, ended up with it somehow.
              I have some 22LR ammunition (probably ejected duds) laying around that I picked up while doing trash pickup at a local shooting site.

              It’s insane that I could go to prison for that in some countries. But there’s plenty of people who want “ammunition control” laws like that here.

    • ploeg

      Question: is it the case that they deny bail in SA only if the charge is premeditated murder? ‘Cause that would explain the charge (which is the only part of the case against Pistorius that seems remotely bogus).

      • Richard

        It appears that bail is routinely denied in premeditated murder cases. Bail is granted in lesser murder cases if there’s no flight risk.

        • chris

          if there’s no flight risk

          There’s a joke in there somewhere, but it’s probably too tasteless to bother with…

          • Richard

            There was argument about flight risk at the bail hearing. Prosecution argued he was a flight risk because he has bragged about having a house in Italy. Defense argued that a world famous athlete who has no legs poses little risk of fleeing.

            • GFW

              Well, they could ask him to surrender his passport and prostheses.

              • If he surrenders his entire family (who all seem to be in the tank for him), then maybe. I would think that Pistorius realized very quickly that his explanation of events was for shit and he better either make a deal or ask a relative to help him make a break for it.

                • Jon Hendry

                  How exactly does a person as recognizable as Pistorius “make a break for it”?

                • Richard

                  Prosecutor made the argument that he could be like Julian Assange, recognizable world celebrity who, despite warrant for his arrest, is not in custody. Seems like a weak analogy to me

      • DocAmazing

        I can’t believe that no one has pointed out that he hasn’t a leg to stand on…

        • ajay

          If they release him on bail, he’ll leg it.

  • Loud Liberal

    If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit.

  • Jon Hendry

    Pistorius had a boat accident in 2008: “In 2008, Pistorius crashed his boat into a submerged pier on a river south of Johannesburg. His face and body hit the steering wheel, and he broke two ribs, his jaw and an eye socket. Doctors had to sew 172 stitches in his face.”

    I wonder if that left him with any subtle frontal lobe damage that could have contributed to his paranoia or poor judgement.

  • Dave

    Hopefully he will get bail, go home, and shoot himself, and then we can all move on.

    It’s a shame he turned out to be an asshole, but that’s what you get sometimes when you make heroes of people for being good at something self-centred.

    • cpinva

      it’s the danger of making people heroes, period. they all have feet of clay, and are destined to disappoint.

      “It’s a shame he turned out to be an asshole, but that’s what you get sometimes when you make heroes of people for being good at something self-centred.”

      • Ed

        Heroes do exist. I would say this is more an illustration of the dangers of sports “journalism.” Regardless of the verdict here, Pistorius seems always to have been a reckless jerk, but any incidents illustrating that were downplayed or ignored in the inspirational stuff.

  • psh

    There are two claims that were reported upon early in this story that I have not heard since. Can anybody comment on:

    1. Whether or not one of the shots that was fired was not fired at the interior toilet room but was, instead, fired in the bedroom or hallway? I heard that claim several times in the first days of the story but suspect that it was inaccurate based upon subsequent reporting.

    2. Pistorius “accidentally” discharged a pistol at a restaurant just a couple of weeks before Steenkamp’s death. This, I am very curious about.

    • Richard

      As far as 1 goes, I think thats not true. It appears that the police only retrieved three bullet casings which may have led to the idea that one bullet was fired somewhere else. But the other bullet casing was found by defense counsel, after being allowed access to the residence, in the toilet bowl.

      I read something about 2 but nothing about it was introduced at the bail hearing and it may be a phony tabloid story

      • psh

        A casing found in the toilet bowl?? How in the world would it get there? I presume either someone tried to get rid of it or one shot was fired from inside the toilet room then? If the latter is the case, Pistorius is cooked no matter how incompetent the prosecution is.

        • Richard

          I may have got that wrong. Maybe it was one bullet, not casing, that was found in the toilet bowl. Knowing next to nothing about firearms, I dont read all gun stuff accurately.

          • Richard

            According to the Guardian, it was a “spent bullet cartridge” that defense counsel found in the toilet bowl. Defense counsel introduced this fact at the bail hearing to show that the cops had done a lousy job of crime scene investigation.

            • psh

              I’m no munitions expert, either. But I would assume that a cartridge is the casing that holds the bullet. If one was found in the toilet, it would suggest to me that someone tried to dispose of it or that it was ejected from the gun in the toilet room, further suggesting that at least one shot was fired inside that room. I wonder if this will become a point of contention. This case is well on its way to taking the form of a bad cable TV movie script.

              • Richard

                It doesn’t appear that the prosecution argued that a cartridge found in the toilet bowl makes it likely that a shot was fired from inside the toilet room or that there was an attempt to dispose of evidence. Not sure why they wouldn’t have made the argument but maybe its the case that it was the bullet itself that was found in the bowl, not the casing or cartridge.

              • Jon H

                “If one was found in the toilet, it would suggest to me that someone tried to dispose of it or that it was ejected from the gun in the toilet room, further suggesting that at least one shot was fired inside that room.”

                If it was brass, it might have landed in Pistorius’ clothing, if he was wearing any, and fallen out after he broke open the door and entered. Brass goes all over the place. I’ve heard of a guy shooting his pistol at the range and having his gun eject a cartridge into his own mouth.

                • ecurb

                  Back when I had a ‘fro, I once came home with a spent cartridge sitting in my hair. No idea how it ended up there, but it fell out in the shower.

                  I agree that this whole story sounds fishy, but I hate to speculate, but…
                  Even if it was an accident, he violated basic firearm safety in a criminally negligent manner. It’s just a matter of finding out what he’s guilty of.

          • Jon H

            I read that she was hit by three bullets, out of the four that were fired. The fourth might well have fallen into the toilet after hitting the stone or tile wall.

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